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Not over 'til lady in the pantsuit says it

Posted: Sunday, May 11, 2008 5:03 PM by Domenico Montanaro

From NBC/NJ's Mike Memoli and NBC's Abby Livingston
GRAFTON, W.V. -- In the week since disappointing results in the Indiana and North Carolina, Hillary Clinton’s stump has focused not so much on her policies, but on both her gender and the words of encouragement she’s received as she tries to rally new support in the few remaining contests.

Today, this was evident as she held a “Mother’s Day Celebration” in this town, the so-called “Home of Mother’s Day.” Clinton told the crowd that she drew inspiration from the example of women who came before her, be they historical figures like Harriet Tubman and Sally Ride or her own mother and grandmother.

“Women have been standing up for what we believe in, defying convention and going forward for a long time,” she said.

She also acknowledged that women, including herself, have “experienced a moment along the way when your own sense of limitless possibility collided with a harsher reality.”

“Women face a lot of barriers, some visible, some invisible,” she said. “And in 2008, it’s really important we recommit ourselves to making sure that our daughters and our sons have an equal chance to lead and serve in the future.”

Twice during her remarks, she cited e-mails she has received from supporters, most of them women, encouraging her to fight on. She said her favorite was from a woman named Angela who urged her to “keep strong.” “It’s not over until the lady in the pantsuit says it is,” Clinton said, quoting the letter.

Clinton closed by asking the supportive crowd to join the “tens of millions” of Americans who have already voted in this election.

“I am asking for your support, so that I can continue to fight for you, fight to finish the work that we have started,” she said, before quoting yet another message she received.

“Happy Mother’s Day,” the woman wrote to Clinton. “Hopefully I’ll be wishing you one next year as president. You have already succeeded at the world’s hardest job, being a mother. The second hardest job should be a breeze for you.”

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You know, this is way too little too late. Where was the speech on women's rights two months ago?

On the other side, it seems like the race issue is heating up again. Barely political has a new satire placing Obama at def comedy jam.

http://swingstateofmind.com/?p=84
Just by mere definition, it would be an oxymoron to call someone a selfish politician. It obviously does not mean that they don’t exist, it just mean that for an elected public office, the last thing you’d expect is someone serving themselves, rather those that elected him or her. When Clinton was insinuating this and that about Obama, I though well, she is being a politician. When she claimed she was under sniper fire to garner up a heroic experience, I though well; she is trying to be a savvy politician who is pulling a fast one. After she blamed it on fatigue, I still had the respect for her because at this point I thought she was a brilliant politician who knows how to successfully lay great blame and recover. Right know I get the sense that we don’t even matter anymore. It is all about her ambition and to demand we elect her the President. As polarizing as she is and boy! Has she proven it, it will almost be impossible for her to be effective leader even if she has good ideas. I’m certainly sure that she heard that still running is futile but more so tearing her party apart, but does she care? NO. I don’t even think she is trying to show that she is a good politician, she is flat out being a selfish politician and for a democracy, that is the ultimate insult on the citizens.

Use your brain People!
Hillary failed in her attempt to win the nomination NOT because of any glass ceiling, veiled or otherwise.  She failed because she does not possess the core values that leaders must possess, basic honesty and courage.  She is only considered a "fighter" because she has no sense of shame.  her only motivation is self.

There are millions of women who struggle against entrenched bias against them in every field of endeavor.  However, Hillary was never one of those.  She had the built-in advantage of carrying the best brand name in politics.  She had the unlimited resources of her husband's earning power.  To compare Obama's disadvantages of race and name to her advantages, makes his success so compelling.

Ther are hundreds of upcoming, deserving women in the Democratic Party.  However, that does not change the fact that one must stay true to core values to succeed.  Gov. Sibelius or Sen. Amy Klobuchar will be formidable candidates in 2016 if they follow President Obama's path.
Oh Please! Will you just let it go already? I am a proud Mexican-American 47 year old women and I am for Obama. I want a person of integrity, honesty, and someone who will speak for us little people not for the rich and powerful. We the people, its our time! Obama 08
Can Hillary sing?
All I've heard lately is screaming and racial under tones...
I'm a hard working, I'm white (really kinda pink in shade- off coffee ; thanks Geoge Carlin), Non-Degreed Professional and I never vote for some one that pigeon holes me or tells me why I should vote for them... The one that sounds realistic to me on the issues gets my vote (no pandering).. I believe most Americans do the same...

This is just sad.

Perhaps this last dance is necessary, but it must be humiliating for the Clintons and their supporters.

Somehow I think Obama would have left the stage gracefully by now, working hard for the ticket, if the roles had been reversed.

But they aren't reversed, are they?

Hard to watch the great ship go down.

Does NE1 but me think it is incredibly selfish and irresponsible of HRC to continue taking the hard earned $$$ of her supporters just b/c her ego won't allow her to step down?  I vote June 3 but could care less if we have a primary now--let's save our $$ for the general against McCain -- we're gonna need it.
Hearing Hillary Clinton make an open appeal to women based on the fact that she is a woman makes me wonder how people would interpret Barack Obama making the same appeal to African-Americans based solely on him being black.  My guess is that people would accuse him of playing the race card.  My question is, why don't people interpret Hillary's rally cry for women as playing the gender card?
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE HILARY COME OUT AND RUN AS AN INDEPENDENT......... WOULDN'T THAT HIT THE DEMS HARD........JUST SAYIN...... I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT FOR HER AND AMERICA.....I BET SHE COULD WIN THE PRESIDENCY BIG TIME...PLEASE GO FOR IT HILARY.........
when clinton talks feminism, she goes free: when obama says something PERCEIVED gender sensitive, it is a big issue!

Anyway, let Hillary prepare for her exit. She has been a great McCain surrogate!!!
SD count 273 to 273 for both senators Lets all unite and back the Dems party. Can't we all just get along?!?!?!
Have you all seen this?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=B6Lstkiexhc
Give it up, Hillary.  You need to bow out graciously to save keep the Clinton legacy in a positive prospective.
I have no idea what to make of this strategy.

Is she being defiant? Is her attitude, 'I'll get out when I'm good, and ready to get out, and not before'?

Is there some dark plan?

Has she boxed herself into a corner with all the 'fighter' rhetoric?

I don't think going out on a high note is the the exit strategy. She could do that without campaigning in W.Va.

In addition, that does not explain all of her bizaare comments, and behavior since Tuesday.

Must have been Angela-Jerome.
She's probably out with the good ol' boys, drinkin' moonshine, out behind the outhouse.
Nice story but it changes nothing.  I hope the ladies who love Clinton, will also rally around our candidate Barrack Obama.  Honestly, ladies  he is a good guy and he's on your side.  On the subject of us women, why does the GOP think all the soccer moms will vote for McCain?  I imagine most moms of little ones would not be anxious for their kids to become gun fodder in McCain and Bush's endless wars.
INTERESTING POINT

IF THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARIES WERE DESIGNED THE SAME AS THE GENERAL ELECTION (ELECTORAL VOTES BY STATE, WINNER TAKES ALL – WHICH MAKES THE MOST SENSE, SINCE THAT’S HOW THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION IS DONE) CLINTON WOULD HAVE 289 VOTES (ONLY 270 NEEDED TO WIN) AND OBAMA WOULD ONLY HAVE 207.  SHE’LL HAVE WELL OVER 300 SOON, A LANDSLIDE IN THE GENERAL ELECTION.  ALSO, MOST OF THE STATES OBAMA WON (16 OF 25)VOTED REPUBLICAN IN THE LAST ELECTION AND PROBABLY WILL AGAIN.  THE SILLY CAUCUS SYSTEM REALLY SKEWS THE RESULTS AND ALLOWS ACTIVISTS TO UNDULY INFLUENCE THE NOMINATION, BUT THESE ACTIVISTS STILL ONLY GET 1 VOTE EACH IN NOVEMBER. OBAMA IS EASILY THE WEAKER CANDIDATE, AND IF HE LOSES IN NOVEMBER, THE SUPERDELEGATES WILL BE SKEWERED FOR NOT DOING THEIR JOB OF PICKING THE MOST QUALIFIED CANDIDATE.  IS IT TIME TO REVAMP THE SYSTEM???  PS;  WAIT UNTIL THE REAL MEANING OF THE “BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY” THAT OBAMA LISTENED TO FOR 20 YEARS IS REVEALED.
Hillary said:
“Women face a lot of barriers, some visible, some invisible,” she said. “And in 2008, it’s really important we recommit ourselves to making sure that our daughters and our sons have an equal chance to lead and serve in the future.”
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As a woman I am rather ashamed... enough said.
You know Margaret Thatcher has never ever used a gender card .
Hey patty,
Looks like a product from the dissatisfied vendors that are still waiting to get paid.
Speaking of which.  Are you still banking on your suspended pay getting reinstated?
Oh Please Obama's supporters what make you soo great with your negative comments about Hillary? I cetainly hope that Obama do offer the VP to Hillary and Hi;llary do not take the VP from Obama when if he does. Hillary do not need to become a scape goat for Obama's future problem. She can make her contribution other ways than to listen to the naysayer. Let Obama learn on his own just like Bush did. They are both way over their head. BUsh certainly made a mess of it. Obama remain to be seen.

Steve P, Washington
CANADA

I heard she couldn't run as an independent, this election, because of "sore loser laws".  Frankly, we'd all be better off without her.
Don't kid yourselves, Clintonites, even counting FL and MI the way they are, she still can't catch him. She steals this nomination, AA voters will stay home, she loses indy voters and Operation Chaos voters.

She has a high negativity rating and low trustworthiness rating for a reason.

She has done nothing for working class people, to quote her on this "Screw 'em, Bill". I'll bet some of you were even foolhardy enough to fall for the gas tax pander, weren't you? How quickly some people forget the past, and vote for someone completely unqualified for anything but the Federal Penitentiary.

When May 31st comes and Hills still refuses to compromise to get those delegates seated (like she just did on Michigan), you won't be able to say that she is worried about disenfranchisement, this is her personal gains she's worried about and will take to breaking the rules, and using invalid results so she can argue something that holds no water.

Hypocrite + Liar + Pander = Hillary (the champion of irrational feminazis and uneducated people everywhere)

Patty:  Who ever did that on you tube has no morals at all regardless who you are supporting.
As a woman, I sure wouldn't want Hillary representing ME!!  A good role model she ain't!!!!!!

The MSM needs to ignore Hillary.

IT IS OVER!

THE PANTSUITS AND THE LADY NEED TO GO HOME!!!!!!

C,

Well said.

Now it would almost be impossible for people to work for her with any passion, after having seen this ruthless, heartless, core on the big screen.

It's not merely about being mad if Obama were to lose to her now by some twist of karmic humor, not about being angry.

Rather it would just be that Karl Rove's slimy sweat would be all over her "victory."

No, Rove does not work for Hillary directly, but his smell is all over her...

...it is a penetrating fragrance... like the dumpster behind a meat market in Queens.

Happy Mother's Day indeed.




C,

Well said.

Now it would almost be impossible for people to work for her with any passion, after having seen this ruthless, heartless, core on the big screen.

It's not merely about being mad if Obama were to lose to her now by some twist of karmic humor, not about being angry.

Rather it would just be that Karl Rove's slimy sweat would be all over her "victory."

No, Rove does not work for Hillary directly, but his smell is all over her...

...it is a penetrating fragrance... like the dumpster behind a meat market in Queens.

Happy Mother's Day indeed.



I wish Hillary wouldn't make this about gender.  I guess that's all she has left.  I would gladly vote for a woman but not because she is a woman...I would vote for her if she were the best (I do love Nancy Pelosi - she's proving her strength a the leader of the elected Democrats, more and more each day.  

But to all of you woman out there: by all means, if you perceive Hillary to be the best candidate, then you are obliged to continue your support for her to remain true to this country.  But if you are voting for Hillary because she is a woman and you would feel some sort of validation with a woman as president then you are simply sophomoric and misusing your vote.  It's just such 1970 thinking; you might as well burn a bra.  Sisters, that battle is long time over.  As I have said in the past, all the people of authority in my life are women...my wife, lawyer, doctor (and should I admit it?...even my 85 year old mother).  My four daughters (as well as my 2 sons) are my gems and are all very accomplished (chef, attorney, future POTUS and future good at everything).

So, if this support and vote for Hillary is cast with the idea that she is the best (the basis of my support for Obama), no one should dare ask you to betray your country by not carrying this through to the end.  However, if this vote is based on the narcissism of realizing a woman as president (any woman!), then shame on you.
Obama '08
SORRY d from IL - I can NEVER vote for obama - not because of race - or- gender - BUT HE IS NOT QUALIFIED
WHY are YOU voting for obama???? Is it due to race -  he gets 95% of the AA vote - that does seem a little high!  Hillary supporters tend to vote for the BEST QUALIFIED - OBAMA IS NOT. I could care less about the DNC party- I vote the person best for my country.
Hillary or McCain
This has nothing to do with glass ceilings, this has to do with a person who run a bad campaign. If Hillary had been a man and run the kind of campaign she had it would have been over in March. She thought she had it in the bag was over confident and got beat because of it.Montana's 49ers, Jordan's Bulls,Greztky's Oilers and Jeeters Yankies were never as cocky as her campaign was that's why she is done. Those great teams new one thing "Never take anything or anyone for granted" that's why they have as many championships as they do. She missed her window in 04 and misread the situation in 08.
Mark - They were arguing that on the Sunday Morning news shows.  If the roles were reversed, Obama would have already ceded the nomination and joined with Hillary to fight against John McCain.  Not to mention that if he did try to stay in, the Clinton campaign and MSM would be hammering him on his motives.  

I think Hilary should stay in through May 20th because it'll be embarrassing for Obama to get blown out by Hillary in West Virginia and Kentucky if she's out of the race.  But when she wins big in both states, he can just chalk it up to the fact that he was in Oregon and preparing for McCain while she was campaigning tirelessly there and they are states built for her to win in the first place.  If he takes Oregon by double digits and get enough pledged delegates, then it's totally a wrap and they can immediately start launching preemptive ads against McCain in battleground states even if Clinton does go through the first week of June.  

I think that "White Americans" comment was the nail in the coffin for the Clinton campaign with the Super delegates.  They would have to produce a video of Obama selling nukes to Bin Laden for them to overturn anything.  
what i find weird is all these people saying that "sexism" is what's driving people to ask Hillary to step out. they claim that if Obama was in Hillary's position, no one would be pressuring him.

umm... if Obama was in Hillary's position, he'd have been forced out LONG ago. the only reason Hillary's still in and will continue to be in is because she's a CLINTON.

i'm a woman and i don't take lightly to the sexual inequity out there, but claiming sexism in this particular circumstance is just insane and illogically hypersensitive.

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On another note, Happy Mother's Day to all the Mothers out there! And yes, I agree... it is the world's hardest job! :)
why do you still cover her?
http://twocanpete.blogspot.com/
The fat-bottom lady has been singing for a month but HRC can't hear her over the super delegate sniper fire.
Hillary will stay in long enough to raise funds to pay herself back, and then she is out.  It should give the party time to get over not having Hillary as the candidate, as they realize how different the Obama/Clinton policy is from McCain.  I think we can keep it civil and come to the best outcome in November.

Obama 08!
Hillary will stay in long enough to raise funds to pay herself back, and then she is out.  It should give the party time to get over not having Hillary as the candidate, as they realize how different the Obama/Clinton policy is from McCain.  I think we can keep it civil and come to the best outcome in November.

Obama 08!
Hillary will stay in long enough to raise funds to pay herself back, and then she is out.  It should give the party time to get over not having Hillary as the candidate, as they realize how different the Obama/Clinton policy is from McCain.  I think we can keep it civil and come to the best outcome in November.

Obama 08!
Obama will win and i will vote for him although I have supported Hillary. From the start I've found both of them great candidates. One thing for sure, I would never think of voting for John McCain. He and the Republican agenda he supports nearlly 100% has nothing to offer the USA to take us into the future. And, he surely has nothing in common with the agenda Hillary is  pushing. I would also have voted for John Edwards had he been on the finish line. I sure hope that Democrats and the rest of the nation can keep in mind the agenda more than some vague like or dislike of the candidate. The expression "losing one's bearings" is about losing one's position on a map - like losing one's direction. Any Democrat who votes for John MCCain has certainly lost his or her bearings. We might also say that they have lost their marbles.
The black vote in NC was 1/3 of the total vote. Obama
got 92% of that vote. Hillary got 60% of the white
vote.  For two candidates who are both "great" and
differ little on the issues, it is clear that race is
the major distinguishing feature.  That isn't race-
baiting - that merely stating a fact.  Think about it.
Hillary inspired me to stand back up after getting knocked down....  

GO HILLARY!  
The "lady in the pantsuit" needs to hang them up.  First of all I have a hard time referring her to a "lady" which would indicate someone who deserves respect. NOT!  She is a selfish female with a huge ego who is also proven to be dishonest over and over again.  This southern accent that appears anytime she is in a southern state is so pathetic. I am a hard working 45 year old educated woman.  i was a single parent of 2 who put myself through college to make a better life for my children and make myself independent.  My parents are in their 70's and were blue collared workers.  She says you  should vote for her if you are a woman, over 40, blue collared worker and yes also so now her mother can be in the white house and of course Bill will also have all his women in the White House.  
I am proud to say that not only myself but my parents will all be voting for Obama! We need a change and someone who is honest has integrity and crosses all cultural and racial borders.
Hillary and her supporters do not support any woman that I would ever admire!
Not to be mean, but this is sort of funny if you like pop culture references:

http://www.236.com/news/2008/05/08/hillary_stands_outside_dnc_pla_1_6390.php
"Women for Clinton", "Breaking the Glass Ceiling", "Admiring the Pioneers of Women's Rights".  Ridiculous.  If Obama appealed to black voters by using his race, there would be cries of racism, which is kind of moot, because Clinton supporters accuse him of playing the race card, when every analyst has said that it was her and Bill.  If there is such a thing as equality, Hillary is the one who has used it shamelessly.  What's even worse is that her supporters blame Obama for her situation.  He has run one of the cleanest campaign, if not the cleanest, on record.  How anyone can say otherwise shows what their hatred of Obama is really about.
 As a woman I find it disgusting that people who support Hillary say they will never vote for Obama but would rather vote for McCain. That is actually voting against what Hillary stands for in terms of women's rights. Do you think Hillary would want McCain to stack the supreme court with 2 or 3 judges who will guarantee the end of the women's rights movement? Lets get real people. This is about our bodies and th bodies of our daughters and the rights of women all over this country being curtailed. We have to get the Republicans out of the white house.
Hillary could not and would not win if she independent!!!
Don't you people get it???? ITS THE VOTERS  THAT PUT OBAMA IN THE LEAD!!!! You Billary supporters are posting as if Obama cheated in someway!
SHE LOST because VOTERS didn't vote for her...now that's the facts.
Obama didn't strip the Fla and MI delegates the DNC did,abd HILLARY was in agreementUNTIL she started losing!!!!!
Give it a break!!!!!!  You're sounding like a bunch of kids.....NOBODY took this from Hillary....She never had it!!!!
Hillary running as an independent is ridiculous.  First of all, she couldn't win.   To run as an independent you have to go to each state and get a certain number of people to sign a petition prior to your name being allowed on the ballot.  I suspect she might be able to get on a few states but certainly not 50.  The end result would be to play the spoiler ensuring that McCain wins.  

Hillary will of course not do that, because she is a party loyalist.  Not to mention, she would not be eligible for the Senate Majority Leader if she were to do that.  I hardly think she will destroy her political career to satisfy a bunch of sore loser feminists.  
If Hillary is fighting for anyone but herself, then I'm a "low information" votin' monkey's uncle
patty,
i am an ardent supporter of sen. obama and am a woman- but this video is an ultimate insult and i wish that it would never be circulated- I do not like Hillary Clinton but I respect the fact that she is a former first lady, and this video is just not right. In fact, the buzz all over the blogs at Sen.Obama's site is that we should follow Barack's lead and treat Hillary with the respect and dignity that he has treated her with. You may not be an Obama supporter, but am sending this out from one Obama supporter to another, to all of Barack's upporters out there- I know that we are better than the smallness that makes us laugh at Hillary.


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