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HRC: WV a 'crucial turning point'

Posted: Monday, May 12, 2008 5:53 PM by Domenico Montanaro
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From NBC/NJ’s Mike Memoli
LOGAN, W.V. -- With the clock ticking, Hillary Clinton told an enthusiastic crowd here that tomorrow’s primary could be a “crucial turning point” in the presidential election, as she continued to play up the state’s significance for Democrats’ chances in the fall.

“West Virginia is a real indicator of which way the political winds are going to blow come the November election,” Clinton said. “This election we’ve had, this primary contest has been close and exciting -- the closest one anybody can remember. But the goal is to nominate someone who can beat John McCain in November. That’s what we’ve got to do.”

As proof of her claim, she repeated the statistic that no Democrat has won the White House without West Virginia since 1916.

“If West Virginia had voted for our Democratic nominee in 2000 and 2004, we wouldn't have had to put up with George Bush for the last seven and a half years,” she said. “I am going to work as hard as I can between now and the time the polls close tomorrow, because I want to earn your support.”

In emphasizing the role of a state where she’s heavily favored, Clinton is sending the message that her rival is not as sure of a bet in November. But her comments otherwise offered little in the way of contrasts with Obama beyond two areas -- her plan for a gas tax holiday, and her readiness on “Day one.”

“I don’t need a guided tour of the White House,” she said. “I know my way around, and I know we gotta get to work immediately, because we’re not gonna have a lot of time.”

Clinton also emphasized the economy in an area “where people understand what hard work means,” she said. She claimed President Bush’s policy was simply “trickle-down economics,” and that most people “feel like they’ve been trickled on for seven years and didn’t get much of it.”

And as her campaign has disclosed significant debt, she worked into her remarks some stories about how even people of limited means have been scraping together money to support her campaign.

“As I was coming here … shaking hands, a man handed me a check and said. ‘You keep fighting, this will help,’” she said. “And I know that if I have your help tomorrow, we will send a very clear message.”

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Does anyone have a count of how many "crucial turning points" there have been?
It takes a Clinton to think West Virginia is more important than all the contests and states that already voted.

Barack is winning on pledged delegates, super delegates, popular vote, and states.

Hillary will stand down, when the Super Delegates stand up.

Keep going Hillary-  You are the democrat we need to win in November.  If you would have told me the democratic nominee did not win New York, New jersey, Massachusettes (with kerry and dingleberry kennedy), Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida, Michigan, California, Michigan, Oklahoma, Tennesse, and Arkansas I would have told you the republicans will walk into the white house.   Guess what people-  McCain will be the President if Obama is the nominee
West Virginia -

Critical Turning Point?

To where?

Hillary needs a guided tour of a dictionary -

Look up "graceful" and then "exit"

Sorry - but she is like nails on a chalkboard at this point.
The gift that keeps on giving.
"“If West Virginia had voted for our Democratic nominee in 2000 and 2004, we wouldn't have had to put up with George Bush for the last seven and a half years,” she said."

Hillary, don't blame West Virginia for the last seven and a half years. Hillary could have voted no for the Iraq War.
"Crucial turning point"?????? So if my football team is down 55-10 with 1 minute to go in the game......it would be a "crucial turning point" if they scored a touchdown. LOL
How low will this lady stoop? You make 109 million in 8 years and take checks from low-income people?
Isn't everything a crucial turning point for Hillary

every state she is in Is a Crucial turning point

Come on Huckabee Hill, how much more do you we have to take????

It's ooooooovvvvvver Hillary.  Pay your bills and go home. How do her creditors feel about her racking up more debt when they haven't been paid?  Doesn't she get that those working class people NEED to get paid more than her ego needs to be stroked?
Senator Clinton in West Virginia...

1. Turn on southern accent.
2. Call it my "home state".
3. Don't forget all-important "Can't Win Without This State" line.
How fitting that Hillary is campaigning as, and for the votes of, the unhinged.
Umm, Hillary, if your sleazy husband had kept his fly zipped while on taxpayer paid time, we wouldn't have had to put up with George W. Bush for the last 7 1/2 years!

I do have to agree with her on not needing a guided tour of the White House.  She knows every stick of furniture in the place, including the furniture she stole from the White House at the end of Slick Willie's term.  Hey, she knows the place so well, she might even be able to find more of those subpoenad Rose Law Firm billing records that she conveniently misplaced.  Could there also be some copies of terrorist pardons there, that she needs to find?

It's good to know that people in West Virginia work hard.  I guess that makes up for all of the lazy bums in the other 49 states.

Obama/Anyone but Hillary in 2008.  Integrity matters and the Clintons have none.
Get used to saying President Barack Obama.

McCain will get his butt kicked in November.The USA doesn't need stagnant traditionalists like the McCain crowd.

Hillary and the Republicans have gift wrapped this election and the Supreme Court for Obama.

WOOT WOOT

patty,sd,ca (Sent Monday, May 12, 2008 3:57 PM)
_______________________________________________________

Why can't you post you Opinions under your name.

I will never vote for Obama stop using my name.

FYI. any post that has any hint of me supporting Obama is a fake.

P.S.
DON'T BE AFRAID TO POST YOUR VIEWS UNDER YOU OWN NAME.
Hillary, it doesn't matter if you win West Virginia by 80%, you still CANNOT catch Obama on delegates, and delegates (NOT popular vote, NOT electoral college states, NOT BIG states, NOT only blue states)  are how you win the nom.

Does HRC think that just because she wins West Virginia and Kentucky that the entire past 4 months are erased?
Does she think that by winning in W Virginia, even though she is STILL losing in pop vote(which she will STILL be losing), delegates, and states won, that the Super D's will all change sides and rush over to her???

Just because she won W. Virginia, a state that she was ALWAYS supposed to win??

Come on HRC, now you are REALLY starting to sound pathetic and like a sore loser.

The writing is on the wall and the fat lady has already sang and left the stage.

Please just stop it.

MORE DELEGATES.
MORE VOTES.
MORE STATES.
PLAYS BY THE RULES.
DOESN'T WANT TO OBLITERATE ANYONE.
THINKS ALL STATES ARE IMPORTANT, NOT JUST THE ONES THAT HE WINS.(which is 32-17)


Obama 08
I read where an eleven year old boy in Kentucky sold his bicycle, vidoe games and other possessions so that he could contribute $440.00 to the Clinton Campaign.  He gave the check to Bill who has earned over $129 million dollars since leaving office.  What kind of people take the money of an 11 year old boy to feed their political ambitions.

Bet you haven't felt this good Bill since you were getting blow jobs from the 19 year old child in the oval office!!!
This woman is really starting to scare me.  Somebody please take her by the hand and lead her back to her room.  I can't stand to hear her voice at this point.  Thank G_d for the mute button.
She's absolutely right. Just like Texas/Ohio, then Pennsylvania, then Indiana were all turning points. Fortunately, she's tried spinning us so much that we don't believe her any more!

It is interesting that she only points to the states where she is favored to win as a turning point or game changer. I don't hear her talking about Montana, South Dakota, or Oregon as game changers...probably because she is currently losing those states.
'POLITICIANS & DIAPERS BOTH NEED TO BE CHANGED OFTEN, AND FOR THE SAME REASON'

I think this country needs a woman in the White House, but she must be a woman with class and integrity. HRC lacks both. I supported her until she started in with her double standards, name calling and rule changing. If she won the nomination, I would vote for her but she does not deserve to make history by being the first female president.

For all you people who will support McCain if your favorite doesn't win the nomination...wow!!!  Are you really that shallow that you would vote to let this country continue on the downward spiral we are in? I read that McCain doesn't believe in equal rights...as he is living off his multi-millionaire wife. Is that what you want in a president? Do you want your children and grandchildren to be drafted so we have enough soldiers to contiue with this war?
And hey, lets continue to allow tax breaks for the wealthy while the poor that are fortunate to still have jobs will be walking to work because gas is too high.
Democrats, we need to stick together regardless of who wins the nomination if we want a better country.
I can't believe that all of you Clinton supporters are so petty and such sore losers that you would sign the death sentences of our American soldiers. Because that's what a vote for McCain would be, a death sentence for many more of our great boys and girls serving in the criminal war in Iraq. Not to mention all of the wounded soldiers that will be coming back with their lives totally ripped apart. I hope you can live with yourselves. Then again I guess if you are that cruel and heartless to let petty bickering get in the way of moving this great country forward, then maybe you should join the republican party. that's what they are all about. This is not a game people. Lives are at stake.
How many “crucial turning point[s]” does Hillary have up her sleeve?

She's like the energizer bunny...
She keeps going -- and is just as annoying.

Boom! Boom! Boom! Boom!
She should be ashamed of taking money from "people of limited means".  But of course she has no shame.
1916.  48 years before an African Americans were guaranteed the right to vote, so WTF is her point!
Yet another turning point which will just turn out to be yet another business as usual moment, just as every turning point she's predicted has happened so far.  Nothing will change tomorrow in WVA except that Obama keeps getting closer to the magic number "Desperate" Hillary will never reach.

Go Obama 08/12!
“If West Virginia had voted for our Democratic nominee in 2000 and 2004, we wouldn't have had to put up with George Bush for the last seven and a half years.”


Well that sounds like she's blaming West Virginia. Way to go, Hillary!
Hillary Clinton repeated the statistic that no Democrat has won the White House without West Virginia since 1916.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I researched this.
This is false.

3 Democratic "non incumbent" presidents won their presidency, and still had WV go red, out of the only 4 times that "non incombent" Democrats have become president since 1916.

1932: Woodrow Wilson (lost)
1960: John F. Kennedy (lost)
1972: Jimmy Carter (lost)
1992: Bill Clinton (won)

You would think that she would at this point have more accuracy in her research before she touts these mistruths.
West Virginia has one of the least ethnically diverse populations, AND it is THE most under-educated state in the country.  And yet this is the demographic that most enthusiastically supports Hillary!  And she wants us to believe that the presidency cannot be won without carrying this state?  Of course Obama cannot point this out because he will immediately be labeled as elitist.  Well since he can't say it, I will:  it does not matter how the stupid white people of WV vote.  Obama will be the next president of the USA!
I'm enjoying watching "Straight Talk" McCain try to turn himself into a born-again Democrat.  He's seen the "Light" and it hurts his little beady eyes so now he's finally trying to go Green and say it's time to do something about global warming.

Go Obama 08/12!
"Crucial turning point"?  According to Hillary who?!
Hillary is so wrong and is grasping onto straws.  West Virginia and Kentucky have no more bell weather status than do Wyoming and Utah.  However, I see no reason why she shouldn't have her day(s) in the sun before riding off into the sunset.  And ride off she should.  I hope against hope that she and her husband do not have a place on the Obama ticket.  Does trust Hillary/Bill as far as one can throw a piano mean antything to Obama?  As far as ethics are concerned, there's just no there, there.  He have to watch his back all of the time.
Obama '08
Blah, blah, blah.
It's always a good sign when the presumptive nominee gets his doors blown off in a few states late in the election process. What could go wrong with that?
Why do you people engage her fantasy's? Has anyone noticed that Hillary keeps putting money into a failed campaign just like the Bush administration keeps pouring money into a failed war?  
West Virginia doesn't count.  As any well-schooled Obamaite knows, the only states that count are the ones the Democrats don't have to win in November.
I think Hillary is right.  Also, it's clear that Obama is not held to any standards.  I'm frankly frightened by the prospect of having a President who is held to absolutely no standards by the press or the public.  Bush has been soundly criticized for Mission Accomplished, Katrina, and the Economy.  But, if Obama did the equivalent of any of those 3 things both the Media and Public would blame someone else.  Except for a few ancillary pundits no one tries to hold him accountable.  He's like a spoiled child who creates mischief and his ignorant parents keep saying "Not my Barack, he'd never do that.  If he becomes President he will have Zero standards applied to him and will be accountable to no one.  Absolute power corrupts absolutely.  This isn't about Bush or the past anymore so don't bring that up.  It's about a guy who no one will dare to criticize because that wouldn't be politically correct.  Since MSNBC only posts love letters to Obama I don't expect this to be posted either.
The elections in 2000 and 2004 were so close that she could make the If (fill in the blank) state voted for the Democrat in 2000 and 2004, we would have won. It's a weak argument - and one she is making b/c Appalachian states won't vote for Obama - for whatever reason...
Wow that makes no sense whatsoever. West Virginia is a very red state. Republicans have an intense dislike for anything with the last name of Clinton. So Obama actually would have the edge in the GE but it doesn't matter anyway because the state is going to McCain in the fall.
Hillary is right and in the fall WV will vote for Obama.  This is a primary election not the general. Hillary ,always loose with the facts, is trying tie convince everyone that SHE is the only candidate to win not only WV but every contested state in the fall.  Hard to prove Hillary since you are behind in every metric to get nominated to represent the party.
Hillary, only states in which you are winning are a turning point to your campaign. This is the problem of your campaign. You did not run a 50 state primary. You ran a general election by winning the big states, but ignored the small and cacucus states. Both Gore and Kerry lost the presidency by winning the big states. Small stated do matter. If Gore or Kerry won virgina or colorado, they would have been president. It is important to run a 50 state camapaign. The small states can determine whether you win or lose an election.
"Crucial Turning Point"

Wow. I mean wow. WV? I wonder way she's not saying the same thing about Oregon? What happened to the days when she could get her campaign staff to throw out nonensical spin like this? Now she has to do it herself. They must be worried about their own credibility now that they know they have to find a new job in a few weeks.
Hillary Clinton: Please do not take the advice of Pat Buchanan.  His sole purpose is to bring down the Democratic party and to cause chaos.  The republicans wants total chaos at the convention.  We need to show them we are unified in our mission to take the White House back.  

Hillary you still have a lot of support. No matter what. Don't forget that.  

Instead of Obama hating, you should be donating.
HillaryClinton.com

Vote Democrat 08!  
For all the HRC supporters who keep hurting our ears with the "popular vote" argument, I have one question for you:

Did it help Al Gore in 2000?

My prediction:  Obama will win the electoral 380 to McCain's 148.  Also, the best VP candidate is Senator Webb in Virginia.

Obama '08.
The Sky is falling, the sky is falling!
Okay so now West Virginia is the critical turning point? What happened to Pennsylvania, and North Carolina? Why is it that the  "Next State" is always the most important one in deciding the primary for the Clinton campaign. Do they still think that the American people will buy this? Please, Please, Please, bow out gracefully Hillary, your legacy becomes tarnished the longer you stay in this race.
"As proof of her claim, she repeated the statistic that no Democrat has won the White House without West Virginia since 1916."

And no woman has ever won the White House, ever.  For that matter, neither has a black man.
Hey patty d sd:
Get over yourself. Your threatening posts about revenge voting for McCain are inane: So, we are to think you'd prefer to send thousands of young American soldiers to their slaughter for the next four years over electing the nation's first black president? BRILLIANT. What an American!

It is apparent to me that the only reasons she's continuing with the rhetoric is 1: to save face after all of her non sense politicially led tyrants didn't work and 2: because she needs people to continue donating money to her campaign so that she can get the money back that she loaned it.
My key board is smoking agian. Here come the flames.

She was warned by the heads of the party, and the Obama supporters to be good! What does she do. She keeps twisting the knife.

Look at the picture of Hillary in one of the earlier articles today. She looks depressed, and defeated. She is broken. She knows she has lost.

For Hillary to continue with her racist platform of 'he can't win because hard working whites won't vote for him', in one of the most backwardly bigoted states, with her obviously not so coded, "send a clear message', divisivness, is the very reason people are screaming for her to GET OUT OF THE RACE.

People are saying, "I feel so sorry for Hillary", and "this is so sad". Well, I'd be lying if I were to say that after reading this article.

Her 'hard working white people', gaffe being played on a loop is exactly what she deserves. She engineered 'bitter' gate. I heard the comments Obama made, and knew he was defending small towm folks. She twisted the meaning of Obama's words, knowing that there would be dishonest Americans all to happy to have a bogus reason to hate Barack.

She dredged up Wright, twice after Obama's speech on race.

If Hillary Clinton is humiliated because she has lost the democratic nomination, I say, G-D knows best.

Thank you Lord!
it's all about West Virginia... until the goal posts move yet again.


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