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West Virginia, Mountain Mama

Posted: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 9:11 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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The Charleston (WV) Gazette covered both candidates’ campaign stops in the state yesterday. “As her weeklong tour of West Virginia drew to a close Monday, U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton told her supporters that she needs their votes in today's primary if she's going to be the next president. ‘I'm going to work as hard as I can until the polls close tomorrow,’ she told several hundred people at Logan High School Monday afternoon. ‘This going to be a crucial turning point in the election, If you stand up for me [today], I will stand up for you every single day [in the White House].’”

The Los Angeles Times: "Clinton is expected to trounce Obama in West Virginia tonight, after which she'll doubtless bound onto a stage in Charleston to roaring cheers, bobbing signs and a sea of hats. It is sure to look like a victory in every sense, except one: Few people believe that a Clinton victory here would alter the arithmetic that seems to be guiding Obama to their party's presidential nomination.”

So what does Clinton want from West Virginia and the remaining contests? The New York Times attempts to answer that question. "[S]he and her chief political counselor, her husband, see the two coming primaries as crucial to strengthening her standing and, if it comes to it, to allowing her to leave the race on a high note, the advisers say. Sizable victories -- the Clinton camp believes it could win West Virginia by 25 points or more -- might put pressure on Mr. Obama to agree to her demands to seat the disputed delegates from Michigan and Florida, some of her advisers say, which would let her claim a victory on a battle she has fought for months. Accumulating victories this late in the primary season -- as Mr. Obama looks so strong -- might also bolster a bid for the vice presidency, should she decide to seek it. (Whether Mr. Obama would ask her, however, is very much in doubt.)"

The Charleston Gazette endorsed Obama. “Political leaders who opposed the Iraq invasion and the ongoing 5-year-old war have also been outspoken in demanding more money to help veterans - money to help pay for college educations and money to care for their injuries. Ironically, leaders backing the disastrous war often seem far less interested in healing the physical, mental and psychological wounds that will haunt so many soldiers during the rest of their lives. Obama offers West Virginia and the nation hard work, intelligence and wisdom. His inclusive, uplifting way of communicating with people of all backgrounds will help restore the United States' place in the minds of people around the world, and here at home.” 
 
Obama also wrote an op-ed in the paper. “West Virginia knows we need less tough talk and more sound judgment on national security. We can't afford the same politics of fear that tells Democrats that the only way to look tough is to talk, act, and vote like George Bush and John McCain. When I am president, I will end a war in Iraq that I opposed from the start, give our troops and military families the support they have earned, and finish the fight in Afghanistan.”

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West Virginia will be a toothless victory.
"The Charleston Gazette endorsed Obama."
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"Ouch." - Hillary Clinton

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2 plus 2 will never equal 15, but the darker side of our civilization is desperate to stop Obama. Cheating continues to be a creative art. We need to recognize it whenever we see it.
Whether the margin is 25%, 30% or even 40%, it's not a game changer. Hillary insists that this should be viewed as a "test," but clearly it's not a very good one. West Virginia is unique in that it has no urban/suburban centers to offset her advantages with the downmarket, uneducated voters who have been flocking to her campaign with cheap gimmicks like the gas tax holiday.
Who cares what happens in West Virginia today, except the folks in Wast Virginia.
Heck.  Most of those fine folks are to poor to give Hillary much $ anyway.
Hooray for the paper that endorsed him and hooray for Obama for stating what he stands for so clearly.  I agree, by the way, that the chicken-hawks who've been strongest for the wars have also been the strongest in working to screw the bets out of the healthcare and aftercare they need and deserve. You go, Obama!
Yes, it's all about leaving the race with dignity. The Clintons can't possibly think that wins - no matter how sizable - in WV and KY will do anything for her virtually non-existent chance to unseat Obama. These are delegate specks in a sea of Obama inevitability.

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Your coverage is biased and devoid of any fact.
Obama does not have 2025 delgates and thereby has not won the nomination. A brokered convention is still possible, and Hillary can and will win a brokered convention.
She isn't staying in the race to get delegates seated in Mich and Fla, or to "go out on a high note."
She is staying in the race to win it.
Also, I have to say that MSNBC's B**S*** story about name calling and bomb threats to the Obama campaign is absolute garbage. It's designed to garnish sympathy, and thus more support for Obama.
You have cheerled for him all along instead of reporting the facts. There are many of us who are sickened by this.
I, for one, would like to know how much Chuck Todd's wife is getting paid by the Obama campaign, and what work she has done for them.
Why is it that when Senator Clinton made those comments to ABC about hard-working Americans, white Americans, and wrote those off as a poor choice of words it was accepted as such.  However, when Senator Obama used "bitter" instead of "angry/frustrated" and "cling" instead of "rely on", Senator Clinton pounced on them and labeled him as an elitist. Senator Obama's poor choice of words no more make him an elitist who looks down on small-town people than Senator Clinton's make her a racist who looks down on African Americans.
This is a continuing battle between Perception and Numbers.  

Clinton's landslide wins in Virginia and Kentucky won't change any numbers but the perception will change. The clock will be reset to exactly where we were before Indiana/NC.  Then Oregon for Obama will change it again and Puerto Rico for Clinton will change that perception.  

Clinton and Obama have BOTH said time and again that ALL states and territories should have their say.  Only the media is fanning the 'get out of the race' flame with Russert-type commentary and I'm loving it that she continuing to let democracy play out against this anti-democratic sentiment.  

Whatever Hillary Clinton wants to see as her endgame she knows that Perception is what will get it for her.

You are one tough broad, Hillary!  My god, what a president you would be.
Barack Obama is on videotape in more than one place proclaiming that Hillary Clinton would be at the top of anyone's vice-presidential choice list.

The media needs to stop pushing him to ignore her.
Notice Obama doesn't say HOW he will do any of these things.  You just have to take his word for it.  Voters perhaps can look to his vast experience.
My children will be happy tonight since I'll tell you what WON'T be on the tv (can you guess)?  I mean no disrespect to the people of WV and I'm glad to see them going to the polls.  I think its always wonderful to see democracy in action and I think every eligible person in this country should vote.

But I can't stand to see Clinton continue what she has said this whole campaign...that this next state matters in a way that the other states don't.  I hate it, it is divisive and it is inaccurate.  It doesn't paint her in nice colors...its a specious argument and I'm just plain sick of hearing it.  I wish Obama (to be honest) had spent more time in the state letting people get to know him, but as our presumptive nominee, he has to let the whole country get to know him.  I do hope he will spend more time in the State (in all the states) in the coming months.

It might not be a state favoring him demographically, but I absolutely know he has a lot of supporters there, he has had wonderful people on the ground (I give them so much credit) and he will work for the people of WV as much as he will work for the people in my own state and his native state.

Go Mountaineers, this is your moment.

Obama for our best future.
WV is obbviously a racist state and does NOT represent the rest of America!
Obama 08
On Feb 5th, the Republicans had the first part of their primary election.  On the day that McCain essentially wrapped up the nomination, here was the results from West Virginia:

Huckabee:  52%
Romney:  47%
McCain:  1%  !!!!!!!!

So by the Clinton "primaries are good indications of the general" metric, if Barack gets 2% today, he'll beat McCain in West Virginia in the general.

So that's the new goal for Obama, set by the Clintons themselves:  2% in West Virginia

...This is why the Clinton logic is illogical.
Bill Clinton was impeached by the House of Representatives as a
sitting president. The very fact that the people of West Virginia would
vote overwhelmingly for someone like this, claiming that they are a
moral voice in this country proves that they are exactly opposite, and are
a great part of the problem in this country when they contribute to the
same corruption by continuing to vote these crooked politicians in office
under the “guise” of morality, using the destructive tool of such racist rational.
A few hillbillies in West Virginia will not save Hilly and Billy from inevitable defeat in the primary.  Sad that "Desperate" Hillary is trying to fool her supporters into sending her more money to waste and that somehow WVA matters, it doesn't.

Go Obama 08/12!
"...Who cares what happens in West Virginia today, except the folks in Wast Virginia.
Heck.  Most of those fine folks are to poor to give Hillary much $ anyway. ...."
KT, Tennessee (Sent Tuesday, May 13, 2008 9:23 AM)

ahh yes, Barack Obama and his supporters; eliteism at its' level best.
She will win WV only beacause of the worker white class racist voters of WV!
Go Obama 08
Shoulda Coulda Woulda
To Noel,in Hot Spring AR -->OBAMA MAY NEED THOSE TOOTHLESS VOTERS IN NOVEMBER. --> I heard AR has a lot of TOOTHLESS VOTERS ALSO, ``ARE YOU ONE?
Oh boy here we go another angry Clinton supporter. I really think it would be nice to leave Chuck Todds wife out of this. Claiming things that aren't true does not make them true. I as an Obama supporter have been upset with a lot of the stories in here that have been pro-Clinton. But if they only report pro-Obama then it is not news. Trust me they report it fair and try very hard to be even in here. So belly ache if you must but leave the mans wife out of it.Besides Chuck Todd did not write this story it was written by Domenico Montanaro who I believe is very pro-Clinton , nothing against him when I say that.The point I am making is it is unfair to keep crying media bias when he is just stating facts. I will say this about Hillary  I gibe her credit for being very tuff and persistant. Just the fact that she is still fighting (what for) is amazing. That said Obama 08 baby!!!!!
Give me a brake all this tough board crab she trying be the man BILL wasn't. She has is still try to prove she is the better man the SEN OBAMA we can all see what she is all about she don't a damn about these poor and no edcation people she is calling them stupid remember she is not a poor woman 100 millions and counting . She is using these people who are racist and she knows that is why she get their vote.
You have cheerled for him all along instead of reporting the facts. There are many of us who are sickened by this

Inquiring Minds Want to Know (Sent Tuesday, May 13, 2008 9:26 AM
------------------------------------------------------

I am one of them!
Hillary was sighted in West Virginia wearing a Buck Skin pantsuit with a coonskin cap carrying a Kentucky rifle. She was speaking with an extra heavy Southern accent, and was chewing some toebackee.She said she was so proud to be from West Virginia and taht she was glad to be home amongst her kin fok.   I was so proud of her I almost cried. If she cant pull this thing off I will vote for John McDirtbag.  Anyone but that Obama because his Ideas are so close to Hillarys except he is more honest and trustworthy.I would rather have that old crooked dirtbag.
I'm really getting tired of the perception that West Virginia people are toothless,poor mountaineers that can bearly feed their families, uneducated and all the other garbage the is out there.  Lighten up people, some of us might be better off then you.  I have two college educated children and I'm sick of the reference to being dumb.   Go Obama!!!!
Please Obama fans just except today for what it's worth. We must not come off in here bad mouthing States that is the tactics of losers and since we are winning , there is no need to complain. So thank you West Virginia for the votes that you give us may it be a lot more in the general .
Riddle me this Clinton supporters.  When Hillary finally admits defeat and throws her support to Barack Obama and the Democratic Party are you going to really vote for our true enemy Flip Flop McCain?

After all this support you've shown her over all this time will you really dishonor her by voting for the repugnant one who will give us just more of the failed policies the Bush/Cheney Tyranny has wrought upon our good country?  Will you blow off her suggestions for party unity so "Warmonger" McCain can keep our brave soldiers enslaved by the stop loss program that ensures they have to endure more combat tours?  Is this the gratitude you'll show Hillary when she finally comes to grips with political reality?

If so then Hillary has three words for you: "Shame On You!"!

Go Obama 08/12!
The endorsement from the Charleston Gazette speaks volumes. . .I hope it represents a large number of people in West Virginia.

Fellow Obama supporters - let's tone down the rhetoric and keep it civil, OK?  Let's honor Obama by showing the same kind of class he does. We can give our opinions without being ugly.  Yes we can!!!
As a Disabled VietNam Era War veteran I know firsthand just how poorly vets get treated by Republicans like "Warmonger" McCain.  I served in the early 70's under that crooked commander in chief Nixxon and I smell the same putrid stench emanating from the White House that I did back then.

Just two weeks ago I heard a sad news story that a brave young soldier was killed in Afghanistan, during his 7th tour of combat.  No real American patriot would ever force our soldiers to endure so many attempts to cheat death.

Anyone who supports "Warmonger" McCain and this repugnant war for oil in Iraq does not support our brave soldiers.  McCain only supports enslaving our brave soldiers with the stop loss program and his new plan to keep soldiers from being able to escape their enforced slavery in the military to become free civilians furthering their education.

Go Obama 08/12!
The John Denver song is NOT about WV.  The Blue Ridge Mountains & Shenandoah River are in WESTERN VA.
Great point "Why is it that when Senator Clinton made those comments to ABC about hard-working Americans, white Americans, and wrote those off as a poor choice of words it was accepted as such.  However, when Senator Obama used "bitter" instead of "angry/frustrated" and "cling" instead of "rely on", Senator Clinton pounced on them and labeled him as an elitist. Senator Obama's poor choice of words no more make him an elitist who looks down on small-town people than Senator Clinton's make her a racist who looks down on African Americans."
The Los Angeles Times: "Clinton is expected to trounce Obama in West Virginia tonight, after which she'll doubtless bound onto a stage in Charleston to roaring cheers, bobbing signs and a sea of hats. It is sure to look like a victory in every sense, except one: Few people believe that a Clinton victory here would alter the arithmetic that seems to be guiding Obama to their party's presidential nomination.”

So why are so many in West Virginia voting if their vote means nothing?
WV is obbviously a racist state and does NOT represent the rest of America!
Obama 08
Obama 08 PA (Sent Tuesday, May 13, 2008 9:39 AM)

Statements like this are the reason Obama will not win.  Not that he is bi-racial as Dems don't care about that, but because so many of his supporters are petty and hostile....Radical Left or Radical Right....operative word; Radical.
clinton campaign is in serious debt. longer she stays in, the more she recoups. simple.
How will we know when we've finish the fight in Afghanistan?
To Obama 08 PA,

Obama supporters trash Hillary Clinton and aren't called sexist.  They trash John McCain and aren't called age-ist.  But if anyone questions the qualifications or ideology of Barack Obama, they are white racists?  That's bull excrement!
First not all WV people are racist's; there is plenty of data from past primaries during this campaign that does show that tere is a ton of racist in this country still; they are not all in the south as Ohio, Ill. and Penn as shown everyone. Still in most southern states males seem willing to vote for a black man rather than a women. It is for me a showing of just how terrible our education system is; I do not consider myself to be an elitist nor do I belong to either of the two parties. I am an independent and as I watch this race all I can see is an electorate that has for many years out of igorance voted for canidates without even thinking about the results. Because of this we have a government that is owned by the wealthiest of our country along with Corporate America and Wall Street. So I can not help myself for laughing; watching the electorates geting what they have earned. High inflation, Huge debt, high drug costs and a total lack of respect by the rest of the world.
Yes! the economy is a huge issue. It always will be until the American electorate demands public campaign financing and term limits to end the control of all the above and the Lobbits(Hitmen and women).
Start voting with your head and not your stupid emotions.
Gooooooooo Hillary. I hope the whites get smart and vote their color like the blacks are doing. Obama is in a heap of trouble, he can not win in the general, their are not enought stupid whites like the blacks to vote for him. I am a typical white person that would never vote for Obama, anti american, racist, closet gay crack smoker. I will vote McCain if Obama is the nominee and against anyone on the ticket that supported Obama. I live in a swing State.
Is it any wonder that uneducated "blue collar red necks" are supporting Hill? She plays to their basic inbred fears (i.e. prejudices) by constantly playing the race card. Unfortunately that particular demographic is predisposed to distrusting people of color. They're just not critical thinkers. I'm a 53 year old white guy with a college degree that moved from the west coast to Nebraska a couple of years ago for a job. I see the kind of "hard working whites" that Hill touts up close on a daily basis. They're the same group that loves Dubya even now! Just wave the flag and tell them you're going to create jobs for them and they'll follow you to hell. I love Obama. He's smart, honest, and oozes class/honor! I'm appalled that Clinton is such a closet racist and that she would resort to such disgusting tactics. She's damaging the party...period. What a piece of garbage she is!
And Obama won big in Mississippi, the point is ?
Congratulations to Sr. Obama for additional SD endorsements this a.m. 27 since last week, hmmmm, with HRC's WV win today, I guess we're right back to last Wednesday a.m.


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