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Domenico Montanaro, NBC News Political Reporter



First thoughts: Take me home...

Posted: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 9:13 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, and Domenico Montanaro
*** Take me home, country roads: Perhaps the best way to think of today’s West Virginia primary is like the final football game of the regular season, which really won’t impact the teams headed to the playoffs. Yes, the players will once again don their helmets and shoulder pads. Yes, the game will count, as will the statistics. But MUCH, MUCH more has to happen besides this sole game to change the postseason situation. That said, is it a problem if Obama can't come within 20 points of Clinton here? If we set the line at Clinton by 24 points (62%-38%) -- about the same percentage Obama won Mississippi -- would you take Clinton and give the points? Apparently Obama would. If he struggles to get 38%, which is the approximate percentage of the white vote he gets in similar states, shouldn't that be some cause for concern? Sure, West Virginia and Virginia have traded spots in the fall battleground this decade, but with the economy in the pits, a state like West Virginia could be one Dems can carry. Then again, if the economy mattered in the state’s presidential politics, Gore and Kerry should have been able to carry the state, right? There are 28 pledged delegates up for grabs in tonight’s contest, and polls open at 6:30 am ET and close at 7:30 pm ET.

*** Sen. Obama, you’ve just lost West Virginia… what are you going to do next? … ‘I’m going to Florida!’ If you’re Obama, how do you make a potential big loss in West Virginia look like it doesn't bother you? You start campaigning in fall battleground states, which is what Obama is doing. Today, he heads to Missouri; tomorrow, it’s Michigan; and next week, he goes to Florida. While it makes a lot of political sense to focus on your strengths rather than weaknesses (i.e., campaigning in WV and KY), shouldn't he be ramping up his campaign a tad in Kentucky? Doesn't he want to at least come within, say, 10 points in that state to show that he is starting to win over some of these white working-class voters?

VIDEO: NBC Political Director Chuck Todd previews today's West Virginia primary and Mississippi's special congressional election.

*** Where we stand: Obama leads in pledged delegates per the NBC hard count (1,590 to 1,426), overall delegates (1,870 to 1,702.5), the popular vote (16,050,924 to 15,336,896), and the total number of contests won (31 to 16). Note: We’re not including Texas in this contest count, given that Clinton won the primary but Obama won the caucus and netted the most total Texas delegates. Obama also took the lead yesterday in superdelegates for the first time, according to the NBC count. He picked up four supers yesterday and one more this morning: Indiana congressman Joe Donnelly. Obama has now picked up 24 supers since last Tuesday's contests in North Carolina and Indiana.

*** A Miss(issippi) opportunity: While West Virginia’s primary will obviously receive the most attention, the more competitive -- and more interesting -- race today occurs in Mississippi, where Travis Childers (D) and Greg Davis (R) compete in a run-off to replace former Rep. Roger Wicker (R), who was appointed to fill Trent Lott’s Senate seat. Democrats and Republicans agree that the contest is a pure toss-up. A Childers win would represent the Democrats’ third-straight win of a GOP-held seat (the others took place in Illinois and Louisiana); a Davis win would be a nice shot in the arm for a Republican Party that hasn’t seen much go its way in the past two years. But make no mistake that the GOP has the most to lose in this district that Bush won by 62% in 2004. “If the Republicans lose, it will be significant because they won’t be able to blame the candidate” like they did in Illinois and Louisiana, says Nathan Gonzales of the nonpartisan Rothenberg Political Report. Polls close at 8:00 pm ET.

*** What happens when specials get nationalized: The Cook Political Report’s David Wasserman adds that it’s important not to ignore this point about the Mississippi run-off: It’s a nonpartisan election, which means Childers doesn’t have that “D” next to name, and that’s a significant advantage for the Democrat. But that hasn’t stopped Republicans from trying their best to nationalize the contest, in part by tying Childers to Obama. Last month, Davis unveiled a TV ad mentioning Jeremiah Wright and “bitter.” In addition, Cheney stumped for Davis yesterday, and the state’s top Republicans -- like Wicker and Gov. Haley Barbour -- are out in full force for Davis. Per Gonzales, this contest disabuses the idea that Obama is a political asset for Democrats in all parts of the country. “I think this race proves that he’s not going to be a powerful downballot force everywhere.” That said, the match-up appears to be a win-win situation for the Democrats. A Childers victory would be yet another win in an overwhelmingly GOP district and it would come even as Republicans tried to make Obama a boogeyman in the race. A Davis victory, meanwhile, would come after the GOP devoted precious resources and time to a district that Bush won by 62% four years ago. 

*** Five big turning points: Yesterday, we began discussing some under-appreciated turning points in the Clinton-Obama race that put Clinton where she stands now: on the brink of elimination. Yesterday’s point was the role Illinois’ proximity to key primary battlegrounds; today, it’s Chris Dodd and the October 2007 Philly debate. While many remember that debate -- which set off a two-week media firestorm over Clinton’s answer to a question over driver’s licenses for illegal immigrants -- few remember the role Dodd played in it. In the lightning round portion at the end of the debate, Clinton was asked about a her statement that Eliot Spitzer’s plan to allow illegal immigrants to have driver’s licenses made a lot of sense. Following that, Dodd disagreed with the plan, and when Clinton said that she, too, didn’t agree with the plan, Dodd interjected, “No, no, no … you thought it made sense to do it.” That exchange then allowed Edwards jump in: “Unless I missed something, Sen. Clinton said two different things in the course of about two minutes just a few minutes ago.” Then came Obama: “I was confused on Senator Clinton's answer. I can't tell whether she was for it or against it.” And, voila, the aftermath paved the way for Iowa to be competitive two months later. Remember, this wasn't a point in the debate that the media jumped on Clinton; it was her fellow candidates doing it, and that might be why it resonated. 

*** McCain's good anti-Bush day: For a guy whom Democrats see as a potential Bush third term, McCain got some good anti-Bush press with his global-warming speech in Oregon yesterday. The New York Times: "Senator John McCain sought to distance himself from President Bush…” The Washington Post: “Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) made a sharp break with President Bush…” And the LA Times: "Distancing himself from President Bush…” Now, if just every day could be a global-warming day for McCain…

*** The right’s Nader? Former GOP Rep. Bob Barr announced yesterday that he would run for president on the Libertarian ticket. If he gets a percentage or two, could he swing a few states? “Barr, who has hired Ross Perot's former campaign manager, acknowledged that some Republicans have tried to discourage him from running. But he said he's getting in the race to win, not to play spoiler or to make a point.” Still, if he gets a percentage or two, could he swing a few states? Pay special attention to Georgia, by the way. If Barr's on the ballot there, doesn't he get 3-4%, and isn't that enough to push Obama across the finish line if the black vote surges as expected? Where else?

*** Back on the Hill: Per NBC’s Ken Strickland, it looks like Obama and Clinton will be back in the Senate today for a procedural vote on a big union issue: a bill that would give collective bargaining power to state and local first responders. The vote is expected in the morning, but the exact time is unclear at this point. Depending on the timing, the senators/candidates could also vote on a couple of energy proposals: a Democratic measure to suspend filling the Strategic Petroleum Reserve (SPR) and a broad Republican package focused on oil production, but also calls for suspension of the SPR. The Democratic version should pass, but the White House is against it.

*** On the trail: In addition to her activity on Capitol Hill, Clinton holds her primary night party in Charleston, WV; McCain, in Washington State, holds an environmental roundtable in North Bend and then raises money in Bellevue; and Obama campaigns first in Kentucky and then in Missouri. Also, Bill Clinton stumps in Montana.
 
Countdown to Kentucky and Oregon: 7 days
Countdown to Election Day 2008: 175 days
Countdown to Inauguration Day 2009: 252 days
 
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The pundits are slapping their backs with how far we have come in this country in race and gender.  We have much further to go, the battles against -ism's will not be won be edicts by government, rather by how individuals treat each other.

I wonder how many people walked out of Hillary's campaign event or spoke up to take exception with her words.  Were they offensive, yes - were the words ill advised - yes.  Do the people of W. Va. agree with those words - check back when the voting is completed.  If the answer is yes - then the George Wallace of 1968 would be a happy man.

Perhaps this may be some indication why Barack did not campaign extensively in W. Va.!
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">http://www.thingsyoungerthanmccain.com/</a>

Things younger then Sen McCain (and there are A LOT)...including the state of Alaska<P>He beat her by more then 30% in other states like MS, VA
He should try out Kentucky...I'm sure he could find support there. He won Kansas..why not do Kentucky. And run Barr run!
Looks like another busy day for the good people at First Read who are posting our comments.  Thanks for all the great work First Read!

I feel sorry for the MSNBC news crew that will be covering the election results tonight.  It will only take a second after the polls close for the pundits to call WVA for "Desperate" Hillary and then it will be a lot of time trying to "analyze" the results.

Go Obama 08/12!

How sad that when this is all over the thing that will resonate most in our minds is what a liar HRC is.

As a woman, I am sadden and totally disillusioned by her behavior!
Jerry in Oakland
i wish to God all mankand would see each other as you  and i do, this hate we have for one another will destroy us in this world, and those who harbor hate for their fellow man will be joined together in the place for the unrightious, there will be no speration there they will burn together

joe in Oklahoma
Pat Huntington because he won the most states, delegates in the Democratic Primary. That's the rules..the nominee isn't choosen by the last poll results. Obama simply has to improve his numbers and he wins. So far we have seen nothing he has done has dragged him down, it's all been pretty much Wright and possibly Rezko. But outside of those dead issues...it's clear skies for him ahead.
Hillary's margin of victory will be 32%, which corresponds to the number of teeth an adult has.
I truly believe that anyone who claims to be a democrat but refuses to vote for the democrat in the GE because their candidate didn't win, should STOP calling themselves a democrat.  Call yourself an independent, an undecided.  But don't cut off your nose to spite your face and blame it one someone else.  It's childish and petty and has no place in the heart of a true democrat.
Why is everything reported from the Clinton spin viewpoint? Why do you not report that wins in primaries do not alway equal wins in general election.  
Why do you not report that Clinton cannot win the election without the coalition that Obama has put toge
ther., instead of focusing on the Clinton spin about hardworking white voters?
When Hillary is ahead in the polls, it is usually noted either on your lead sheet or as a post.  But yesterday ABC/WSJ had Obama ahead significantly and that is not reported. Also the Gallup poll had Obama"s lead up , not reported here
I still hear some dogs barking," Carville said. "I'm for Senator Clinton, but I think the great likelihood is that Obama will be the nominee."

"As soon as I determine when that is, I'll send him a check," he added.
I suppose as long as Obama is going to lose W.Va. he may as well use it as a rallying cry.  "Why vote for Obama? Do you want to be like W. Va.?"
Their eldest statesman Robert Byrd, former Kleagle and Exalted Cyclops of the Ku Klux Klan and author of such quotables as "Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds.", where the family tree of for many is a telephone pole, Barack should trumpet the fact that Hillary is their choice.

John Edwards's name is still on the West Virginia ballot; funny that has not been mentioned.
Pat Huntington NY - you are an idiot!  A very dishonest one at that!

Both candidates agreed to exclude FL and MI! BOTH!  So if your pals from FL won't vote because of that then they should look beyond their stupidity and at least find another reason not to vote for Obama because they BOTH agreed to exclude FL.

How stupid are you guys?
Chuck,

Are you saying that white working-class voters are more important than white working-class voters in Missouri, Michigan and Florida?

Are KY white working-class voters more important than Hispanic working-class voters or Black working-class voters or Asian working-class voters?  I could go on and on.  Chuck, with no disrespect to KY, aren't we all important?
"Pat Huntington NY posts / Not a single person I met will vote for Obama if he's the nominee...they all said they would vote for Hillary since she's fighting to seat that state's delegates, and think Obama is making a huge a mistake by opposing seating Florida at the convention...they all said they will vote McCain if Obama is the nominee because Obama basically is dissing Florida just to get the nomination, knowing that he would lose Florida in any real competitive race there."

pat, I for one don't believe the people of florida are stupid enough to blame obama for the dnc's blunder, if you remember the beloved hillary clinton signed the agreement saying both michigan and florida were not in play, then in a true clintoian move tried to get their faux votes counted when she realized it was to her advantage, truth be known I think that was the clinton plan from 'day one' it's just the way the clinton's play politics, devoid of integrity or morals.  
Ya know, I just figured something out this morning, that when Senator Obama speaks he sounds so good and intelligent, even his clips--that all the other camps accuse the media of playing up to him, but they don't--Obama just sounds good and in contrast to the other two presents himself so much better!  As far as anyone thinking that Senator Obama doesn't have substance,then those persons have not listened to even one entire speech nor have they read anything from his website.  Shame on you for making ludicrous statements based on fractured newsclips and the rumors that others pass along.  Get informed!
Why is it that when Senator Clinton made those comments to ABC about hard-working Americans, white Americans, and wrote those off as a poor choice of words it was accepted as such.  However, when Senator Obama used "bitter" instead of "angry/frustrated" and "cling" instead of "rely on", Senator Clinton pounced on them and labeled him as an elitist. Senator Obama's poor choice of words no more make him an elitist who looks down on small-town people than Senator Clinton's make her a racist who looks down on African Americans while being condescending to blue collar white people??
Van is back. He's a loser for backing Hillary, but he's back nonetheless.
Everyday this campaign is allowed to continue is a disservice to the party and the country. I am not a HRC supporter but I know that she has more "cajones" than the still undeclared superdelegates. The depth of the anger and divisiveness is getting scary.
We have work to do. My co-worker, who is dumb as a plank, asserts that if Hillary or Barack become President, her and my taxes will go up. I said Barack wants to give the middle class a $1000.00 tax break. She said "that all depends on what is called middle class." I said, honey, do you and your husband make more than $200,000? (Her husband works as a stockman for Walmart and she and I make less than $25,000.)She seemed surprised the cut off is as high as $200,000. I tell you, this is what we are facing, folks who get their news from FOX and don't read past headlines.
hey Patty,sd,ca:

Clinton is the ONLY female in the race, so how can she be "the best female candidate" if she's the ONLY one in the race!?

Unless you're running a closet campaign as well...
To the moron who keeps posting that he won't "whore" himself to Obama...

Dude (or dudette)...no one is asking you too.  If you don't want to vote for him, fine -but don't say you won't because you won't "whore" yourself.  Explain, with concrete reasons.  Otherwise no one will take you seriously.

Pat from NY - do you hang out with a bunch of closed minded old fogies?  Do they realize that HRC SIGNED AN AGREEMENT not to count FL and then decided to break the rules once she was behind?  

Also - if you quote statistics supporting your flawed arguement, you could at least post where you are finding your info.
Why is everyone tip-toeing around the reason that West Virginia and Kentucky will vote for Hillary in such large numbers? All you have to do is ask them and they will tell you, and be very proud of it.
To RH in Oregon:

There is no evidence to suggest that Obama is a Muslim, which you seem to believe based on your repetition of his middle name. But if you are going to " down" the guy on that erroneous basis, please learn to at least spell it correctly.  It is Hussein. I am becomeing frustrated with this  ridiculous logic. If we follow this crazy line of reasoning, we should all be wary of men named "Ted." After all, wouldn't that indicate that they share characteristics with the infamous serial killer, Ted Bundy? See how ridiculous and unfair that is? King Hussein of Jordan was a beloved friend of America, so you see, a name does not connote either good or evil.
I'm hearing lot about racisme in this race, knowingly that racisme is 2 way street, lot of Black people are voting for Obama because he's black, they're voting for him for the pride of having the first Black President, they're not voting for whom is the most qualified for the job.
By far Hillary is our best choice, Hillary is sincere when she talks about change, when she says something she means it, sh'es the one who can turn our economy back to work again, she's the one who is going to provide health care coverage for each single American, Obama does not (15 millions American will be left behind), she'is the one who is ready from day one to be the commander in chief to secure our borders and to make us feel safe again.
The race is not over yet people in West-Virginia, Kentuky, Oregon, Puerto Rico, Montana, South-Dakota need to voice their choices, Delegates from Michigan and Florida need to be counted and seated, Hillary still can win the popular vote and the Super Delegates should go with who is the best to lead our country, THE CHOICE IS CLEAR hILLARY IS THE BEST!

I wonder what Tweety and Olberman have in store for their next Obama love fest episode? Will Tweety still tingle after the big loss. Will Hillary be worst person in world cause she beat Obama. Are all uf us Hillary supporters just a bunch of redneck racists? Stay tuned!
If anyone watch SNL, they will understand why Hillary is winning WV. Progressive America? Hold on, not too fast. Racism is alive and kicking!! Before America is forcing democracy down the throat of other nations, it may want to reflect its' own state of democracy.
I don't know how Obama can win Florida and Michigan after he campaigned that their votes not count in the primaries.
He might have won the battle but not the war. I'm sorry but he is not going to do this well in the General Elections.
For all the touted campaign strategy, he made a crucial mistake of not resolving the issue of these two states. He would probably end up as the nominee anyway.
McCain will beat him in those two plus Ohio and PA. NJ is also on the brink of going McCain.

Leave it to the dems to squander a golden oppurtunity.
One problem with the comment about if it is about the economy why didn't Kerry nad Gore carry WV? The answer the economy was not this bad. As a matter of fact when Gore ran it was quite good thanks to the Clintons. Interesting that they are reporting acts of racism that ocurred in PA, IND and states that Hillary won today, the day of the West Virginia Primary. Why were they not reported when they happened and why were they only noted in states that Clinton won? No racism ocurs in SC or Alabama? Another attempt of the media to instill race into this race. There is no denying that racism ocurs as well as sexism, but the way it is reported and the timing appears to be for political reasons.
I'm sick of all the moronic Billary supporters threatening to vote McCain if their girl is not the nominee.  Go ahead!  It's the same 5 or 6 of you every day on every blog.  We'll try to get by without you, ok?  You used to argue that it was the issues, but now you're making it clear that the issues don't matter one bit - you're support is purely gender-based (or racially biased) so take your uneducated butts over to McCain where they belong.
Can someone explain to me why the Hillary supporters who say they will "cross the aisle" and vote McCain in November think that they are punishing the Obama supporters?  It really makes no sense to me.  A vote for him is a vote to continue George Bush's failed policies.  Ask yourself--am I better off than I was 7 yrs ago?  I think I know the answer.  And if you vote for McCain, in 2-4 yrs you will be worse off than you are now.

Hillary and Obama are virtually the same on policy--so could there be some other reason that they would vote for McCain?
The people I was talking about in Tampa, actually St. Pete, were not people I knew, but people I met, so, it was very random. Say what you will about theory and who's to blame, but reality, i.e., actually going and talking to people, seems a bit more reliable.  

As for the name calling, idiot, etc...like I said before, keep it up Obamas, because you will all be on your knees kissing us Hillary supporters' a***s, when you learn Obama has zero chance without us.

BTW - the statistic I cited was on the news, TV, NBC if I recall correctly.    
So let me get this straight, if anyone questions Obama about his record or associations they are racist?  These things matter, especially with Obama who basically has no record, so the only thing that we can go on is his past judgement, so he went to a racist church for 20 years, is everyone just suppose to ignore that?  But I guess of course if we don't we're racists, most people will get very tired of this come November.
It is hard to believe a word out of MSNBC when it comes to this race...they are batting a 1000 so far! I have never seen such amateurish and biased reporting. I think the FCC should do something about it...or you should just file as campaign staff for Obama.
Mrs. J In Illinois,

I think that is the best thig I have read on line yet! Very well put and I agree with you, I am a 40 something "white" under 50k and no college, and I too feel that Mrs. Clinton speaks down to us, but being a democrat I would vote for the Democratic nominee no matter who it is!

I am a Obama Supporter and I don't care who knows it!
According to Mrs. Clinton I am her base, but guess what I did not vote for her!


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