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The Obama camp's memo on WV

Posted: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 5:30 PM by Mark Murray

From NBC's Mark Murray
The Obama campaign has issued its own West Virginia memo, which makes three points: 1) Clinton is going to win West Virginia BIG; 2) Obama has already picked up more superdelegates in the last week than Clinton will gain from West Virginia; and 3) look at the crosstabs in national polls, not the exit polls, to see how Obama might fare against McCain in a national election.

Below is the memo...

TO: Interested Parties
FR: The Obama Campaign
RE: West Virginia and Obama’s Strong Position in the Race Ahead
DA: 5/13/08

West Virginia
There is no question that Senator Clinton is going to win by huge margins in the upcoming primaries in West Virginia today and Kentucky next weeks. She has poured resources into both states and she, former President Clinton, and Chelsea Clinton have all campaigned extraordinarily hard there.

The Clinton campaign has already been touting their margins in these states – In fact, Bill Clinton said that Hillary can win West Virginia with 80 percent—and the West Virginia Senate Majority Leader said Clinton needs to win by “80-20 or 90-10.” And in keeping large margins in perspective, it is worth noting that, while Senator Clinton will win big in West Virginia, Barack Obama won neighboring Virginia by 29 points.

But with 49 contests behind us and only six to go -- including several states where we expect to do well -- Barack Obama leads in pledged delegates, contests won, and superdelegates. And for perspective, while 28 pledged delegates are up for grabs this evening, Obama has won the support of 27 superdelegates in the course of just the last week putting him less than 150 total delegates away from clinching the Democratic nomination.

Obama’s Strong Position in the Race Ahead
Nationally, Obama is running stronger among Independent voters than any winning Presidential candidate since 1988 and is significantly outperforming Sen. Clinton among these voters as well in general election polling. 

To understand a potential general election match-up between Obama and McCain, the only analysis and data that should be considered valid are the current head-to-head National polls rather than extrapolating irrelevant assumptions from exit poll data in Democratic primaries.

And, on the issue of Democratic unity in the Fall, analysts need only consider that in April of 1992, on a night when Bill Clinton won four primaries and was the presumptive nominee, 6 in 10 Democratic primary voters said they wanted another candidate in the race.  Despite this, five months later, Democratic voters were unified behind Clinton and he won his first of two terms in office. 

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What Obama is really saying is

I DON'T CARE WHAT THE HICKS FROM WV HAVE TO SAY. THEIR VOTES DON'T COUNT.
Thank you!! Finally - a reality check.
Apparently the allegedly inexperienced gentleman politician from Illinois does have some teeth. So much for him not being much of fighter.  This is how someone worthy of the Presidency responds to the Clinton  campaign's essentially futile arguments- one fell swoop to put all the petty details in perspective.

GOBAMA!
If you read the WV newspapers Clinton's campaign chastised Obama for not campaigning in WV and today they say he campaigned hard in WV therefore a loss is a big deal.  Does she have ANY credibility left?
In a word: NO!!!
Well written, well said.
Mark, the final paragraph here might be the most impressive and insightful you've ever written. I've been waiting for somebody to mention the '92 polling data. There's no question that SOME Democrats won't vote for Obama; but there were SOME Democrats who wouldn't vote for Bill, and he still won. It's amazing how often people forget recent history, or how short the memories of so many in the media are.
AS usual, Obama shows his ability to stick to relevant issues and extend extraordinary courtesy to a opponent who underestimated him and lost. Thankn you for being so mature.

Obama 08
The comment pretty well said it all.
AS usual, Obama shows his ability to stick to relevant issues and extend extraordinary courtesy to a opponent who underestimated him and lost. Thankn you for being so mature.

Obama 08
Dems I copied this from CNN's ticker blog:
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sacto joe     May 13th, 2008 4:09 pm ET

DEMOCRATS BEWARE!!!

A lot of Repubs posing as Democrats are posting hate mail. They're trying to drive a wedge between us!

RESIST THE REPUB HATE MACHINE!
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Divide & Conquer. That's what they're doing.
I just love hearing the conservative lunatic fringe radio hosts going crazy over the "Born Again Democrat" McCain as he attempts to fool people that he is in any way really siding with the Green movement on global warming and the environment.

Go Obama 08/12!
Que bueno que Senor Barack no se preocupa por W VA y Kentucky, donde viven miles de almas, y donde solamente hay unas dos docenas de apellidos! Viva America!

Gary E, de Roma TX
A scholarly and intelligent response from a well-organized campaign!

Hillary's memo was more of a threat than a position paper.  Exactly which superdelegates did she think she could impact with it?  Her fellow Senators? Governors?

She continues to slink into the underbelly of the swamp with her tactics.

Please MSNBC, interview a few of Hillary's recent donors and see what they are thinking.  It would be a ascinating psychological study of the power of denial.

The pundits were correct in saying Clinton was done after Wisconsin.
You're missing the best part...the myth section.
This Obama campaign memo is right on the money as far as the irrelevance of today's primary in West Virginia.  It will not change the inevitable outcome that he won this primary back in February, ironically Black History Month, and is just running out the clock before clinching early next month.

Go Obama 08/12!
Math, it is what it is.  

As of 5/13/2008

(omitting FL and MI)

There are 452.5 available delegates remaining to use to get to 2025

BHO needs 152 or 33.5% of the total remaining
HRC needs 322.5 or 71.3% of the total remaining

IF you count FL (as is) and MI (as proposed)

There are 452.5 available delegates remaining to use to get to 2209

BHO needs 208 or 46.0% of the total remaining
HRC needs 322.5 or 71.3% of the total remaining
The operative word is "Perspective".  Thank you.
All spin aside, congratulations to the Clinton camp on its big win in West Virginia today.

Looking ahead, I can only say that I can't wait for Obama to wrap this up and get the nomination so that ALL Democrats can unite to take on our real opponent, Sen. McCain, this fall.

GObama in 2008!
Chuck, using the most generous of estimates for Clinton, she's going to need all but 15 of the remaining uncommitted superdelegates. How come you're not reporting this? She cannot reach 2025.
Smart move on the Obama Camp (WHY DON'T YOU EVER POST MY COMMENTS FIRST READ") I am a nice person, geez, anyway I am happy to see that he is confronting what WILL be a HUGE discussion amongst all the pundits and MSM that this "HUGE" Win will bode well for HRC...  He is only stating the truth and will have little or no effect on the General, you can bet he will be battling in WV come the late summer & FALL!!!  He is doing the smart thing, she has always been projected to win here by HUGE margins for 3 months as with KY, so as I have said SMART MOVE OBAMA,
If Obama gets 30 percent of the vote in WV he will have gotten 30x the percentage that John McCain got.

That's right, John McCain got 1% of the vote during the Feb 5th primary!  Huckabee and Romney effectively split 99% of the votes.  

So, explain to me again who is unelectable in November because of their WV primary performance?  
To Sen. (future President) Obama,

We in West Virginia have HOPE that no matter what the results are here, you will win the nomination and the election in November. Remember that you have a multitude of supporters here in the Mountain State who are with you all the way to the Oval Office. You have the integrity, character, poise, and promise that no other candidate offers. Our blessings to you and your family on your journey to the White House.

You don't get it though Obama, she gets the white vote, and you can't win without whitey! (NM that Bill Clinton never got a majority of the white vote in either 1992 or 1996 for just a second because that is an inconvenient fact and you KNOW how much we hate those) Obama, on the other hand, can only win among African Americans, unless of course you IGNORE RACE for a second and then of course he wins the majority of AMERICANS, but that is not the point. ITS ALL ABOUT WHITEY! Besides, despite the fact that Clinton has trash talked and marginalized the most important and loyal democratic constiuancy for the last six months, and less then ten percent of them not vote for her, they will ignore that in the fall. In fact, they can be taken for granted, they don't really matter, but WHITEY DOES!
Hillary make sure you pay your dept of bills at then end of the primaries and not leave somebody else to pick up your tab...thank god you wont run the white house.
Bubba cant vote today he's still in the truck drunk
I am so angry at the way the Obama Supporters have treated and bashed the Clintons and turned on them...

I am so angry at the way the media has trashed the Clintons and been biased in favor of Obama...

That despite the fact my parents were democrats and I have always voted Democrat I will sit out this election and/or vote a protest vote with Ralph Nader.

And I don't care if Hillary shouts from the mountain tops to vote for Obama, I will not. I will not.

You can all go to hell.  The long list of you.

A 49 year old working class woman from Florida.

Obama will lead a Democratic resurgence all over America - no more 12 key states - he'll have coat-tails (or, just as importantly, he'll avoid the negative coat-tail effect) in all of the Rocky Mountain and Great Plains states. He'll win Georgia, Virginia and North Carolina ... Louisiana, Iowa, New Hampshire, New Mexico ... and the states Democrats are supposed to win. He'll have a US Senate with 56 Democrats, and a House with 255 Dems. The only negative in the whole rosy picture, is that he has to undo eight years of complete failure.

The magic bullet will be lifting the cap on social security FICA payments. If we have salaries over $105,000 pay the same FICA % as people do at $15,000 per year, we'll fix Social Security forever and handle Medicare, too - completely painlessly.

Don't pay Hillary's debts. She can afford them. It was her choice.
Hopefully, soon, after HRC basks in the glow of a meaningless win for a day or two, she'll begin the serious work of exit strategy discussions. It's time for the two campaigns to talk to each other and agree on a nomination process. After all, its what adults do. How do you solve the problems of the country and of the world, if you can't resolve issues within the party???
Bubba drove to Kentucky to vote in the West Virginia primaries....Bless his heart

Refreshing to see a campaign memo with fact instead of fantasy.
Thank you!  The current polls have little or no relevance to what will happen in November.  THose few people who will not vote for Obama were never going to under any circumstances, anyway.  Mr. Obama has conducted himself with nothing but class throughout this campaign, he had a brilliant strategy going in that included ALL of the states, not just the ones that Hillary had already decided were the more important ones. Isn't that what we want from our POTUS, someone who is inclusive, not picking and choosing who and what is important to his/her political agenda at the moment.  I consider myself to be a fair-minded woman and was a Bill Clinton supporter of the 90's who felt Sen Obama's message resonate in my soul in such a way that I knew he was the ONE.  Hillary would most probably have been a fine commander-in-chief, but I believe her time was 4 years ago, and now the world needs Obama to take us over the threshold and into a new era of politics.  It has to be that way folks, the world is evolving and if we don't evolve with it we will soon find ourselves not as a nation that leads but one who is always running 2 steps behind.  I truly believe that Barack Obama is the only candidate who can help us win this important race the right way, the democratic way, in a way that holds America up once again as a shining example of all that is great about our people, not what is most ugly, as Pres. Bush has done.
Super D's don't really care about what happens in West Virginia.

HRC's win (that she was always expected to get) doesn't erase the past 3 1/2 months.  It doesn't erase the 150+ delegate lead that Obama holds, it doesn't erase the popular vote lead that Obama holds and it doesn't erase the fact that Obama has won MORE states than HRC.

A win in West Virginia also will not cause 100's of SUperdelegates to jump ship and swim over to the Clinton camp.

Sorry HRC, but West Virginia really means nothing in the BIG PICTURE.

Go ahead and celebrate, as a win is a win, but this is only a base hit, in the 9nth inning, with two outs and your team is down by double digits.

While it will feel good to add another state to the win column(even though it is one of those small unimportant states) it really changes nothing in this race.  Obama's gain in Super Delegates in the last week will neutralize any gains that HRC makes with her win in West Virginia.

Her momentum from the Big Win may carry into Kentucky, but look for an Obama double digit win in Oregon, and then another two wins in Montana and South Dakota.

Sorry, but this thing is still over and HRC has STILL lost.


Don't worrky Bubba cant vote because bubba cant read.
hahahahahaah
Drugs are bad M'Kay! Someone grab the stash from Hillary!

Gary, can you translate that for us....I live in a country called the USA and the language we use is called.............ebonics.

Thanks hommie, 21st street representin' boy!!!!!!
Very good analysis.  It is time to end this and come together.  What is starting to be disturbing are the racial undertones the Clinton campaign are inspiring.  The race quote seems to be letting all the people who are bigoted out of the closet.  I am sure they are only a small minority of Clinton supporters but they embarress her and the party.  In addition, they embarress our nation.  We are all Americans and I hope we all start to act like it again.  Yes, I am glad Obama is winning as it is time for real change not more political games.  Also, it should be noted that actual votes cast can never be used to declare a victory as that would not represent the caucus states.  That is why it does not count for the DNC!
I hope that "Hypocrit" McCain's conservative lunatic fringe base stays home and doesn't vote for him in November.  I can already see them trying to mount a desperate third party conservative lunatic fringe ticket to further split the repugnant one's party.

I remember with hilarity how Joe Scarborough kept bragging about the "discipline" of the repugnant ones 4 years ago and now I love watching him squirm as his precious party of discipline comes apart at the seams with all their infighting.

Go Obama 08/12!
Well, ain't that just hunky dorey that BO has rolled out enough super delegates since last Tuesday to dilute any big win by Clinton.  But, it is not a big enough illusion to hide the fact 1) he is running out the clock, dribbling the ball. 2)He basically did not compete in W. VA because he didn't want to tarnish his de facto nominee status by demonstrating once again that he cannot get working class voters except for the black ones.  Wake up super delegates - you are getting ready to make the same mistake democrats have made sooo many times - choosing a nominee that takes us over a cliff. In many ways, you all deserve it.
Oh Pullllllllllz - could it possibly be that Obama is giving Clinton a graceful exit? Feeding into this racist crap is not the future - it is the past. All this CNN crap that "Dems want Clinton VP" are also full of mud. Read the comments and you will see that most of us don't.  I have just 2 questions for all the national media pressing for Clinton to be VP, stay in the game, 'question' Obama's ability to 'close the deal' -- here they are:  1) do you have ANY respect for voters? if we wanted Clinton - she would be ahead. Period.  and 2) what about Bill?  His 'performances' in this campaign have reminded everyone of 'the worst of Bill' - not his best.  He will always be a great president but he comes out of this campaign more than a little tarnished with his racist innuendos that even a 2nd grader could figure out. He embarrasses only himself.
Who care about WV or Ky there one generation from the klan...
The person from WV that wrote in: I'm glad to see a post from someone there. Hopefully you and a few others canmake up this 38% he's going to get there.  It's toobad there's so many old heads there to really get a grip on this situation, but you are greatly appreciated.
Chad, Which part of Salt Lake are you from ?  Obama got all the white votes from here.  Shame on your racist overtones.
A preemptive strike on the spin about to take place.

Well done and well stated.
Lovely way to wind down with another puff piece analysis of the drubbing Obama is going to take tonight. First Read is closer to Tiger Beat magazine than real journalism.
John McCain, The White House - yep, that's what he's saying, he's plagiarizing Hillary, but don't tell. He doesn't really need all that free press. Though it would be nice.
We could have predicted 60 years ago how West Virgina would come out today! THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN!

It is clear to me what the difference is, the states West of the Mississippi or more progressive and educated. A lot states on the on the east side of the Mississippi still live in the past never fully understanding those who live around them. They stay locked up in there homes always afraid of those who are different.

Obama will win every state West of the Mississippi with the exception of Arizona McCain%u2019s home state. Obama is well loved out here in the West we always look into a mans heart and see his soul . That is how the West was won we always look ahead. We do not have all the problems you have on the east side of the Mississippi, we always look forward instead of backwards.

The hate and racism you have handed down from generation to generation in the East does play well out hear in Gods Country. We are not perfect out hear butt we will give a man a honest hearing.


Update 5:00pm - Exit polling is starting to become available. We’ll have it for you as it comes out. Stay tuned.

Update 5:20pm - As per WV voters:

Who shares their values: 70% Hillary Clinton, 45% Barack Obama.
51% say that Barack Obama shares the values of Rev. Jeremiah Wright.
Who is honest: 63% Clinton, 47% Obama.
Who can beat McCain: 61% Clinton, 29% Obama.
Who is more qualified to be Commander in Chief: 68% Clinton, 29% Obama.
Should HRC stay in the race: 78% yes, 17% no.
We could have predicted 60 years ago how West Virgina would come out today! THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN!

It is clear to me what the difference is, the states West of the Mississippi or more progressive and educated. A lot states on the on the east side of the Mississippi still live in the past never fully understanding those who live around them. They stay locked up in there homes always afraid of those who are different.

Obama will win every state West of the Mississippi with the exception of Arizona McCain%u2019s home state. Obama is well loved out here in the West we always look into a mans heart and see his soul . That is how the West was won we always look ahead. We do not have all the problems you have on the east side of the Mississippi, we always look forward instead of backwards.

The hate and racism you have handed down from generation to generation in the East does play well out hear in Gods Country. We are not perfect out hear butt we will give a man a honest hearing.
Point 3 is a biggie.  First Read, even you admitted (or use to admit) that there was a big difference between a primary battle between two Democrats and a general election battle between a Democrat and a Republican.  Without more general election polls of WV of McCain v. Obama, the results tonight will mean absolutely nothing.  The media's refusal to acknowledge this is ridiculous pandering to the Clinton camp.
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Hillary wants to make West Virginai 'pivotal'...

It's NOT

Obama has won the nomination

GAME OVER !!

Hillary, you LOST !!
BOO HOO, YOU LOST !!


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