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McCain: Re-fighting Vietnam?

Posted: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 9:12 AM by Mark Murray

In the upcoming New York Times magazine, political writer Matt Bai examines McCain’s thinking on foreign policy, as well as why the Arizona senator is alone among his fellow Vietnam vets serving in the Senate in supporting the Iraq war. Here are some select passages from the piece:
-- “Among his fellow combat veterans in the Senate, past and present, he is the only one who has continued to champion the war in Iraq; by contrast, Kerry, Webb and Hagel have emerged in the years since the invasion as unsparing critics of American involvement there… There is a feeling among some of McCain’s fellow veterans that his break with them on Iraq can be traced, at least partly, to his markedly different experience in Vietnam. McCain’s comrades in the Senate will not talk about this publicly. They are wary of seeming to denigrate McCain’s service, marked by his legendary endurance in a Hanoi prison camp, when in fact they remain, to this day, in awe of it. And yet in private discussions with friends and colleagues, some of them have pointed out that McCain, who was shot down and captured in 1967, spent the worst and most costly years of the war sealed away, both from the rice paddies of Indochina and from the outside world.”

-- “If it is true that McCain’s Vietnam experience left him with a different attitude about foreign wars from the one held by those who were on the ground, then it certainly wasn’t apparent earlier in his political career. During the late 1980s and early 1990s, after he arrived in the Senate, McCain was, in fact, an outspoken opponent of American intervention in faraway lands — at least in cases where the country wasn’t willing to lose thousands of lives to achieve its aims… By the time McCain ran for president in 2000, he was the one arguing in debates for a more robust military presence in humanitarian crises, while George W. Bush forswore ‘nation building’ and vowed a more ‘humble’ foreign policy. During that campaign, McCain introduced the closest thing he had found to a doctrine for foreign intervention: the ‘rogue-state rollback,’ under which he proposed arming and training internal forces that might ultimately overthrow menacing regimes in countries like Iraq, Iran and North Korea.”

-- “It’s clear, though, that on the continuum that separates realists from idealists, McCain sits much closer to the idealist perspective… He makes a point of meeting with dissidents when he visits countries like Georgia and Uzbekistan and has championed the cause of Aung San Suu Kyi, the imprisoned leader of the Burmese resistance. Most important, as he made clear in his preamble to our interview, McCain considers national values, and not strategic interests, to be the guiding force in foreign policy. America exists, in McCain’s view, not simply to safeguard the prosperity and safety of those who live in it but also to spread democratic values and human rights to other parts of the planet.”

-- “The lesson McCain drew from Vietnam all those years ago is that you cannot turn your back on a war when at last you figure out how to win it, and he is determined not to let that happen again. Far from having failed to internalize the legacy of Vietnam, as some of his friends in the Senate suspect, he is, if anything, entirely driven by it. ‘I don’t think you can isolate John’s views in Iraq from his experience in Vietnam,’ Gary Hart told me. ‘Whether he is aware of it or not — and I want to tread carefully here, because I don’t like psychologizing people — I don’t think he can separate those things in his mind. In a way, John is refighting the Vietnam War.’” More: “McCain’s main reason for continuing on in Iraq seems to be that we’re already there and must not accept defeat, and that’s an argument that probably feels all too familiar to many Americans who lived through a decade of aimless war in Vietnam, to no discernible end.”

The New York Times: “The Rev. John C. Hagee, whose anti-Catholic remarks created a controversy when Senator John McCain received his endorsement for the Republican presidential nomination with fanfare, has issued a letter expressing regret for ‘any comments that Catholics have found hurtful.’”

The AP: “Hagee's support for McCain has drawn cries of outrage from some Catholic leaders who have called on McCain to reject Hagee's endorsement. The likely Republican nominee has said he does not agree with some of Hagee's past comments, but did not reject his support. The letter was to the Catholic League’s Bill Donohue, “one of Hagee's sharpest critics, said he accepted the apology and planned to meet with Hagee Thursday in New York. ‘I got what I wanted,’ Donohue said in an interview. ‘He's seen the light, as they like to say. So for me it's over.’
 
“The controversy had threatened to pursue McCain throughout the campaign, potentially hurting his standing with Catholic voters. A narrow majority of Roman Catholics voted for President Bush in 2004 and for Al Gore in 2000, critical votes in close elections. The letter came after Hagee met Friday for lunch in a French restaurant in downtown Washington with 22 influential religious activists, virtually all of them Catholics.”

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Here are some guidelines. If a story is in the NYTs, and it's about McCain, it is more then likely a lie.
McWar give it up........
This brings us to the age-old (sorry) question: WHERE are McFossil's medical records? I'm sorry, but you can't be held captive and tortured and NOT have any long term mental problems coming from that. It's a fact. The American people need to know they aren't voting for some shell-shocked nutcase that might lost it at any moment because of his past life experiences.
Defeat is a overture for everything this man will not stand for...no matter how many families must suffer on both sides...Why should we care about sowing seeds of hatred..when hatred is our core battle cry?..think about it...
McCain will not only keep us in Iraq, he will lead us into wars with other countries. The man is a warmonger, and if you listen closely, he's already preparing people for war with Iran. All his little verbal slip-ups aren't accidents.
McBush went wrong after he won the nomination!
It has always been sriking to me the difference in attitude towards war between those who were actually on the ground in the mud and blood of Viet Nam (as I was in the Marines) and someone who was locked in a POW compound. I had respect for mccain in 2000 - that respect has been squandered. He is a typical Washington politician and has no qualifications to be president. He tries to appear to distance himself from the miserable failure of a coward like bush, but in fact is a mirror image. Mccain = bush.
McCain, like so many before him, doesn't want to learn nor understand the lessons of war and the Middle East.  Were he to study the Crusades, he would see that history, the West, and the U.S in particular, are once again repeating the same disastrous attempt to westernize Muslim countries and Muslim thought.  In WWI the Germans moved 200 miles into Russia thinking they could take over the country - oblivious to the other 9000 miles of Russian territory they had no chance of controlling.  They repeated the same mistaken attempt in WWII with equally disastrous results. They didn't learn from their previous mistake in the First War. GW Bush has no knowledge of history and his ignorance has resulted in loss of thousands of lives and billions of dollars in the Middle East.  John McCain's approach to Iraq is exactly the same - and we wants to continue that war until we achieve "victory", what ever that is.  He can't define it anymore than the Crusaders could achieve it.  The U.S. has become a pariah to much of the world because of the policies of GW Bush.  McCain is determined to continue those same failed policies, no matter what the cost.
mccant is mired in the distant past and the past is the future for him, he does not have a clear positive vision of the future
A real pity the media does not tell us about "Warmonger" McCain's incompetent combat record.  He got shot up on the Forrestal waiting to take off by a friendly fire missle hitting his plane.  Then he transferred to another carrier where he was given the designation of "Gregory Greenass", the moniker given to all rookie pilots.  He got shot down on his first combat flight.

Trying to relive VietNam that we should have stayed longer to ensure victory is so much revisionist history hogwash.  Staying would never have changed the ultimate outcome.  The false domino theory never came to pass that if South VietNam was lost to the commies then all of Southeast Asia would fall to them too.  We left a bunch of military harware in South VietNam when we left and much of it fell to the commies.

Now we have another false theory that if we get out of Iraq it will fall to Al Qaeda.  Not a chance that will happen now that the Shiites are well armed and have the backing of neighboring Iran.  Even the Kurds and Sunnis wouldn't allow a bunch of foreigners to run their country.

The sooner we get out of Iraq the better.  That will force them to deal with their problems together sooner.  Once again we're arming a country and teaching them our military tricks just so we will have to face them in the future.

Obviously " Warmonger" McCain learned all the wrong lessons from VietNam and is trying to apply his mistaken approach to Iraq.  We need Barack Obama to save our brave soliders from such losers of the NeoCon crowd.

Go Obama 08/12!
"[McCain] has championed the cause of Aung San Suu Kyi, the imprisoned leader of the Burmese resistance. "

And he had two lobbyists on his staff who made hundreds of thousands of dollars in blood money representing the interests of the brutal dictatorship in Burma. He dumped the two lobbyists only when it became public knowledge that might have blown up into a scandal even the corporate media would have trouble ignoring.

The moral of the story is: exporting democracy is great, but when there's money to be made off a dictator, a buck is still a buck.

BTW: When is the media going to investigate McCain's close relationship to convicted felon and Hitler-lover G. Gordon Liddy? The relationship "raises questions" about what kind of foreign policy McCain _really_ favors. Invading Poland, perhaps?
How can you have anything but respect for this man, I graduated in 75 and clearly remember the vietnam war-how unpopular it was, but this man regardless of any of his other views deserves the respect of Americans for what he endured-whether you like it or not some part of every war has been fought to preserve our freedom-I'm not so naive to think there are no other motives in these wars but we are Americans and in the case of John McCains sacrafice he willing made in Vietnam he deserves our respect- so there! Print that First Read
Mccain is a nut...he is the Manchurian Candidate of our times...his warped take on vietnam tinges his every thought with "if only we had fought harder and longer we could've won"...only a few on the fringe right actually believe america was going to stay in vietnam or iraq for a hundred years or more to "win"...of course none on the fringe right will send their kids to get killed either so their opinion is worthless anyway
It never ceases to dismay me that the VietNam War keeps being refought and refought.  The clueless vets like "Warmonger" McCain want to revise history with their false assertions that had we stayed longer we would have won.

The truth is us antiwar vets who were against VietNam late in the war were correct that the US pull out.  We proved the domino theory false.  We're right again that we need to pull our brave soldiers out of Iraq and time will prove us correct.

Time to get out of Iraq where our brave soldiers have been abused by the warmongers for the illusory gain of cheap oil.  Yeah like that worked out real well with oil at over $120 a barrel.  Time to get busy in Afghanistan and Pakistan to get rid of Bin Laden and pals.

Go Obama 08/12!
I said once before, that on Day 1, McCain is going to re-declar war on Vietnam, and make them pay for what they did to him as a POW.  This guy is crazy!!!!!
This is one of the most insightful analysis yet regarding McCains foreign policy tendencies. Regardless, one must admire his experiences while recognizing that he is wrong.


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