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First thoughts: Last night's bigger story

Posted: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 9:17 AM by Mark Murray
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 From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, and Domenico Montanaro
*** Last night’s bigger story: So what event last night was more consequential: Obama’s substantial defeat in a state few had considered a general election battleground until Clinton declared it so last week? Or the Republicans losing a third-straight special congressional election in what was considered a solid GOP seat -- this one a Mississippi district where Bush won 62% of the vote in 2004? It was none other than NRCC chair Tom Cole who seemed to answer this question. “The political environment is such that voters remain pessimistic about the direction of the country and the Republican Party in general,” he said in a statement last night. “Therefore, Republicans must undertake bold efforts to define a forward-looking agenda that offers the kind of positive change voters are looking for. This is something we can do in cooperation with our Presidential nominee, but time is short.” Yes, Obama might indeed have a problem with some white working-class voters, although crosstabs from national polls and key state polls, not exit polls from a Democratic primary, might offer better clues to this. And, yes, McCain is better positioned than any other Republican out there to compete in this environment. But the Republican Party’s poor brand and its voters’ lack of enthusiasm right now tell us a WHOLE lot more about the overall political climate than last night’s West Virginia results do.

*** Staying with the bigger story a minute longer: How are congressional Republicans reacting? If our email boxes and voicemail boxes are any indication, there are two guys on the firing line: House GOP leader John Boehner and the NRCC’s Tom Cole. The two may attempt to shoot at each other a bit (watch Eric Cantor; he's already be looked to by some as the NEXT great savior of the House GOP), though the person who may ultimately be blamed is Bush. After all, Republicans aren't running Congress anymore so if voters are still punishing the GOP, they are punishing them for Bush. If this isn't proof that 2006 was about Bush and not corruption, we don't know what else you need. Remember, not a single Democratic incumbent lost in ’06. Cole, in his statement last night, is advising Republicans to become change candidates. It's tough to break through the presidential clutter to do that. And the thing that ought to scare the GOP even more is that if a Democrat is elected president, he'll appear to have massive coattails and that, in turn, will create the appearance of a mandate, a la Reagan in 1980. No wonder Clinton isn't ready to throw in the towel just yet: If Democrats win this presidential election, it will be the biggest mandate any Democrat has had for governing since LBJ in '64.

VIDEO: NBC Political Director Chuck Todd gives his first read on Clinton's landslide victory in West Virginia and previews the delegate math for the remaining five nominating contests.

*** Stopping the speculation: But if there was one thing Clinton made crystal clear last after her West Virginia win, she's not dropping out before the end of the primary season. In what was a feisty speech, Clinton seemed to indicate that she isn’t going to walk away from what she believes is a very loyal constituency, although she acknowledged the handwriting on the wall. “I will work my heart out for the nominee of the Democratic Party to make sure we have a Democratic president,” she said. Plenty of folks will attempt to read between the lines on her action to remain in the race: She's holding out for VP! No, she's hoping another shoe drops (Rezko trial ends soon, right?)! This is all about 2012! Whatever the motivation, Clinton is guaranteed to be the strongest loser since Reagan '76 or Hart '84, and both of those losers ended up future front-runners for future races. That said, Clinton won't be able to convince donors, the media, or other superdelegates she has a chance unless she finds a credible validator (Jim Webb? Brian Schweitzer? Both would underscore the working class electorate issue). Will she role our a few new supers today that will signal to others of Obama second thoughts? Overnight, however, Obama picked up 2.5 more superdelegates. They are: Indiana congressman Pete Visclosky, Awais Khaleel (WI) of Young Democrats of America, and Christine Schon Marques, chair of Democrats Abroad. Schon Marques counts for half.

*** Obama’s challenge: For the second day in a row, Obama campaigns in a general election battleground state (today it’s Michigan), and according to a focus group that Democratic pollster Peter D. Hart conducted among 12 independent voters in Charlottesville, VA, that general-election focus can’t come soon enough for the Illinois senator. Hart explains that those independents -- half of them who said they have been paying little attention to the political process -- define Obama to a large extent by his association with Rev. Wright or his Ivy League background or that he’s a Muslim (which isn’t correct). “For now, their concerns about him are not centered on his policy proposals, but rather on the limited knowledge they have of him,” Hart tells First Read. “This effort at introducing Obama to independent voters cannot wait until the Democratic convention and the fall campaign.” Moreover, there’s growing evidence that Obama still has a Rev. Wright problem with voters he hasn't aggressively campaigned for. In largely writing off West Virginia, Obama spent very little time introducing himself to those voters. The result? Per the exit polls, half of the Dem primary electorate in that state believes he shares Rev. Wright's values. That's a shockingly high number. Combine this with Hart’s focus group and it's clear that Obama has some work to do.

*** Just asking: Is there an argument that Obama's troubles are basically Appalachia, just like Clinton's troubles can be excused away by Obama's Midwestern roots? It is striking how geographic their strengths are right now. Obama dominates in the South and in the Midwest while Clinton owns the Northeast and, well, Appalachia.

*** Just how much change do you want? Hart says there’s a second important story that his focus group -- half of whom supported Obama, half of whom supported McCain -- tells us. “The overwhelming numbers which one has been seeing in the polls about the direction of nation and the performance of President Bush are here in hurricane force with these independents in Virginia… The word change was first and foremost on everyone's mind, and to these people Obama represents change.” Yet despite that desire for change, some of the respondents didn’t want THAT much change, Hart says. “One respondent summed up what some of the less ardent McCain backers had been expressing, which is that even in this time of uncertainty when they feel as if the country is headed in the wrong direction, they would rather have a president who does not make major changes than have someone like Obama, who right now is ‘scary’ to them.”

*** Five big turning points: Continuing our look at how Clinton got to this point… John Edwards hasn’t endorsed Obama. In fact, for a while, the thinking was that if he’d endorse anyone, it would be Clinton. But in our latest installment of some of the big -- yet underappreciated -- turning points in the Democratic nominating race, we look at how Edwards ended up greatly helping Obama, by deciding to stay in the race after New Hampshire and then exit it before Super Tuesday. Throughout the Dem contest, this fact often was overlooked: Edwards won South Carolina in 2004. And four years later, per the exit polls, he narrowly beat Clinton among whites, 40%-36%, with Obama getting 24%. Obama ended up getting 78% of the African-American vote, which fueled his victory. But with Edwards and Clinton essentially splitting the white vote, that resulted in Obama’s overwhelming 55%-27% win over Clinton -- which was the biggest victory of the first four Dem contests. Had Edwards withdrawn beforehand, the results might have more mirrored the 55%-43% black-white split in the race, which wouldn’t have been as impressive a win for Obama and may have led others to echo Bill Clinton's inarticulate attempt at marginalizing Obama's South Carolina victory.

*** Three’s a crowd? Then, heading into Super Tuesday, Edwards dropped out of the race, which raised this question: Would his exit benefit Clinton (because the white vote would no longer be split) or would it benefit Obama (because the anti-Clinton vote would no longer be split)? Well, even though Clinton won states like California, New Jersey, and New York, Edwards’ departure clearly helped Obama: The Illinois senator won more contests and netted more delegates on a day that always seemed to favor Clinton. But would Obama have enjoyed as much success if Edwards had stayed in the race? How many delegates would Edwards had netted in the big states which might have come more out of Obama's count than Clinton's. As they say, timing can be everything…

*** Where we stand: Obama leads in pledged delegates per the NBC hard count (1,598 to 1,445), superdelegates (285.5 to 275.5), overall delegates (1,883.5 to 1,720.5), the popular vote (16,157,639 to 15,583,020), and the total number of contests won (31 to 17). Note: We’re not including Texas in this contest count, given that Clinton won the primary but Obama won the caucus and netted the most total Texas delegates. A bit more on the popular vote. Without adding Florida and Michigan, as noted above, Obama leads by 574,619 votes. Adding Florida to the mix, he leads by 279,847 (16,733,853 to 16,454,006). And adding Michigan but not “uncommitted,” Clinton leads by 48,462 (16,782,315 to 16,733,853). But do note that “uncommitted” vote was 238,168.

*** By the way: Yesterday’s Nebraska beauty contest denied Clinton an interesting talking point. Obama won the primary by approximately 2,600 votes. Had Clinton somehow won, no doubt the campaign would be amping up their caucus vs. primary rhetoric. And if you were wondering if all this "presumptive nominee" talk was going to effect turnout, then take a look at the total vote in West Virginia. It's going to be just north of 350,000 -- approximately 100,000 to 150,000 less than was anticipated by some. It was still a good turnout, but it did seem to be on the downside of the turnout hill and that some of the enthusiasm was missing. This actually hurts Clinton a bit in her bid to winnow down Obama's popular vote lead. The campaign was hoping a 40-point victory would net them close to 200,000 in the popular vote. But thanks to lower turnout and John Edwards nabbing 26,000 votes, the net will be just less than 150,000. Still impressive, but less than anticipated.

*** On the trail: Clinton is in DC, where she has meetings, conducts interview with news organizations (including NBC’s Brian Williams), and raises money; McCain has a fundraiser in Ohio; and Obama is in Michigan, where he holds a rally in Macomb County and Grand Rapids. Also, Bill Clinton stumps in Montana and South Dakota, and Michelle Obama is in Puerto Rico.
 
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'...Clinton is guaranteed to be the strongest loser since Reagan '76 or Hart '84, and both of those losers...'

How can Clinton be a strong 'LOSER' when 62% of the American people thinks she's dishonest ?

How can Clinton be a strong 'LOSER' when 54% of the American people view her negatively ?

You got it half right..... drop the 'strong'
.... Hillary is a LOSER !

Hillary Clinton cold, calculating, dishonest, unethical, divisive ....... and LOSER !!
It was fun to see Matthews foaming at the mouth when McAuliffe took him to task last night for his total bias in his treatment of Hillary. I just wish The crew at NBC/MSNBC had an ounce of courage, and would own up to their hatred of the Clintons.
Hillary now claims West Virginia is a 'big' State? Yes, she won big but Obama won by a big spread in several bigger states. Hillary's spin is getting tired.
Hillary was honest in specifying the "white" working class isn't voting for Obama. Obama gets more than 90% of the Black vote - so obviously that includes the "black" working class.
But of course - ObamaInc and the media have spun Hillary's remarks as "racist."

Obama ADMITTED he had a "white" problem when his billionaire donors asked him why white working class wasn't voting for him. He responded - they're racists clinging to the guns and religion.
Voters don't like being called racists - especially behind their backs.
And they especially don't like Obama "brushing Hillary off" the bottom of his shoe - while the crowds laughs at Obama's mockery of her.

The latest poll out today has Obama up 20 over Hillary in Oregon.
When was the last time the Washington establishment ran a newbie senator for the purpose of "changing" THEM??

Sorry HRC supporters.  HRC "BIG WIN" pales in comparison with ALL of Obamas BIG WINS.
Jessica (Sent Wednesday, May 14, 2008 9:44 AM)

No kidding :)

As your list shows... Obama has won as many contests (17) with 60% or more of the vote, as Clinton has won contests in TOTAL!
GOP is getting ousted. Let's get behind Barack and get this great country turned around and going in the right direction! To you sour grapers, YES Barack (WE) CAN win the general, here we go! (One other note: I'm saddened to see how much hatred and racism still exists in this country, I pray for you)
Most of WV thought the gas tax holiday was a good thing, that shuold tell you what kind of people are voting for Clinton. They are uneducated and most of them probably don't own a TV or can't read so why expect them to vote for the right candidate?
How will NBC/the A.P. call Oregon next week as it's all vote-by-mail.  I.e. there will be no standard exit polls.  Do you just have to wait for the data to appear?  (Same goes for WA State in the general election.)
Thanks!
Chuck in Seattle, WA (Sent Wednesday, May 14, 2008 9:36 AM)

Interesting Chuck, Thank you.  If Oregaon can hold a mail in primary why can't Florida and Michigan?
The clear message to the democrats is that to win in the south you have to be conservative on taxes and issues. All three of the so called loses for the republicans were to very conservative democrats. Pelosi hates these people as they will keep all that real liberal stuff from being enacted.

I'll take a conservative democrat over a liberal republican every time.

As long as those who are elected want to keep my taxes low and government smaller that is fine.

So the Dems as an institution need not crow too much as none of the newly elected are close to the pelosi/ried faction as they are to a traditional blue dog/ who in the end will vote for McCain. Split government is best government.
Obama picks up 4 new superdelegates after Hillary's win in West Virginia. Keep them coming!

Hopefully they'll get this up on First Read sometime in the next few hours....
Chuck, Mark and Domenico this is a really great long detailed article.  Some real meat for reading.  Thanks for all the great work you've done to keep us informed about what's going on in the race this year.

Go Obama 08/12!
What does it say when 80% of the people in WV who voted for HRC stated that race mattered in their decision? I'll stick with those of us color blind, starbucks slurping, chardonay drinking folks who despite HRC's assertions do work hard for a living to keep this country running.
Mrs C's speech was quite painful to watch last night and wholly absent any true enthusiasm or punch, very scripted, very wooden.  She is certainly too smart to think there is any chance she can 'win.'  Which does leave the curious question as to what she is doing and why?

My take on the first two minutes of her speech is that she said something to the effect that 'I'll stay in as long as you keep helping me.'  Which obviously referred to cash money.  Surely it must cost a couple of million per week to simply stay afloat, so I have a hard time seeing her going the next three weeks.  She's no longer delivering the cheapest shots, although the arguments she is making challenge the remaining tatters of her credibility---and make liars out of her remaining loyalists, which is too bad as at least some of them are pretty decent at playing the game and have 'good hearts' and minds.

I think the view at this point is not so much shouting her off the stage, but wondering why she continues to run up a 2 or 3 airplane tab on a daily basis, plus whatever other expenses she'll incur running 4-5 more state campaigns.  

Obama needs the three weeks to get about his other work, which he seems to be doing.  This said, I am more convinced than ever that this woman (no, not because she is a woman, people) lacks the skills (and, yes, experience) to run any kind of executive office, let alone the presidency, and should in no way be considered the 'president in waiting', aka vice president.  Can you imagine a government run the way her campaign has been?  (And, after all, has she run anything else ever?)
**Attention Hillary Supporters**

I've finally realized... It's time for Change We Can Believe In!

Please join me in turning the page on the old, failed style of politics. Let's join the millions of voters, donors, and supporters who have seen what we have failed to see from the very beginning. Help me embrace the next President of the United States...

Barack Obama!

YES WE CAN!!!
Why are we still trying to count "popular vote" in the primaries like there is ANY statistically rational way to do so?  Before I get jumped on by someone saying "so you tell me votes don't count?", note the following:

- There is no vote total at all for four caucus states Obama won...was not recorded
- Until this year, there has been no attempt to force states to hold primaries vs. caucuses...so states which held caucuses are dramatically undercounted in any attempt at "popular vote"
- Sen Obama was not on the ballot at all on MI.  Before someone says "that was his choice!", I note that it was what all of the candidates who signed the agreement not to campaign there were advised to do...and that all did (Edwards, Todd, Obama, Richardson, Biden...) except for Kucinich and Clinton.  Regardless of whether one considers that following DNC guidance was incorrect, the point is that counting Obama as "zero" assumes he would get NO votes in MI--not one.  I suspect that is incorrect.
- The FL case is the strongest as all were on the ballot.
    These aren't my figurings...Slate e-Magazine did a full analysis of why this "popular vote" discussion with respect to the primaries has no real meaning.
    So why are we now seeing it tracked on MSNBC, CNN, etc like it has meaning?  The cynical answer would be that if the Clinton campaign asserts it has meaning loudly and longly enough, people will start treating it as if it does.  More realistically, we are a democracy, and people will naturally look to "popular vote" as a meaningful figure.

    But in this case there are no "apples to apples" numbers for comparison.  And any metric where I can give you wildly different numbers based on different assumptions (ex--do I multiply caucus percentages by expected voter turnout for a primary in that state to avoid "disenfranchising" the popular vote totals in caucus states?) should not be used.
It is so satisfying to see the conservative lunatic fringe lose control of the repugnant one's party.  So hilarious to see them scramble for a new message to make up for the myriad numbers of screw ups they've made under George "Wrong" Bush.

Anyone who thinks "Panderer" McCain is any different than "Tyrant" Bush is merely self delusional.  "Hypocrit" McCain has no intention of actually making good any of his campaign promises except to bribe voters by cutting taxes for the rich and greedy who don't need or deserve them.

Go Obama 08/12!
Obama first played the Race Card by allowing Oprah and Michelle to go around the country telling Blacks to vote for THE ONE - the Black one.
Of course the media never considered that racist.
But you can imagine if Hillary supporters had held rallies telling white people to vote for her.

Obama's "hope and change" script doesn't appeal to the working class that needs specificity and concrete solutions - which Hillary delivers.

Also - Obama told his billionaire donors the white working class wasn't voting for him because they're racists.
People don't like being called racists - especially from a candidate that sat in a pew for 20 years listening to hatemongering for whites.
Anyone who votes for "Warmonger" McCain is voting against our brave soldiers.  The warmonger has no intention of helping our brave soldiers any more than "Wrong" Bush has done.

It will be more shoddy baracks and hospitals, more chances that they'll have to cheat death for no good reason, and ofcourse they will be kept enslaved in the stop loss, forced slavery policy that keeps soldiers from getting out and leading normal civilian lives and getting decent GI Bill educational benefits.

Go Obama 08/12!
I am no supportor of Hillary, but if she happen to win the momination I would vote for her. I think its absoutely short sighted and selfish of any Hillary supporter to say they would not support Obama in the fall. Do you not want more for your children and your country? To put McCain in office to destroy the country further is beyond my train of thought just because you got your feelings hurt! Really, grow up!
Jack,
remember the Obama supporters are educated enough to figure that ouT....right?  NOT!

The media is masking how big the rift really is!

If Obama is chosen as nominee, then I suggest the obamabots go make an appointment with a therapist  ahead of time  after the initial shock of McCain winning the GE....they are going to need it!  lol!!!!!!!!!!!  


Barack Obama has a REAL PROBLEM...

I can't believe Democrats are about to nominate the guy who's gonna be a huge LIABILITY!  He can't win the IMPORTANT swing states (w/ the most electoral votes... OH, PA, and FL).  

And he can't win w/ just African-Americans and young voters.... Catholics, Jews, Hispanics, blue-collars, and older white women are Hillary's people who've made it clear they don't want to vote for Obama, and they make up a bigger coalition...

Only Democrats can be this clueless!
Obama is ahead by winning undemocratic caucuses in red states that will stay red in Nov.
ObamaInc continues "finding" racist motives in every Clinton remark and distorting their intent.
People don't like race-baiters and are clearly turned off by Obama's race-baiting.
But Obama has used race-baiting all along. Even sending out a 4 page memo instructing staff HOW to cast the Clintons as racists.
Carol, Ft. Lauderdale, Florida:  

So let's all acknowledge "Senator Clinton's significant victory last night."  

Don't you mean INSIGNIFICANT?  Not much of a surprise with WV.  So she gains a small number of delegates; but in the overall race for the democratic nominee - Clinton can campaign until hell freezes over and she still WILL NOT & CAN NOT overtake Obama's lead.

NO CLINTON ON DEM TICKET!!  Now they're hinting that Clinton will try to get Obama to help pay off her huge debt, but asking his supporters to contribute to Clinton.  

Perhaps she ought to take a class in financial management.
McCain will get all the support from republicans, and all the reagan democrats if Obama is the nominee...thus, ensuring a Mondale type landslide loss for the dems.

But....

If Hillary is the nominee, she will get all those reagan democrats, the independents, and the rest of the democratic party...thus ensuring a Democratic win in November.

Obamabots are handing us a loser candidate.  Thanks. If he's the nominee, and McCain wins, all blame is on the Obamabots.
First off that was a great win for Senator Clinton. I like the bigger story that the Republicas are running scared because that now know that lowball tactics towards Obama is not working as well as they thought.Hillary Clinton did well in West Virginia for 3 reasons.1) She and her family campaigned there like their lives depended on it, and she had strong support base due to name recognition. 2) Obama did not spend much time there, maybe there was a reason that is undisclosed.  3) In a state that 1 in every 6 people are on welfare I can understand why the gax tax pander would be a reason to vote for Hillary 67%. Those folks are hurting and any damn lie sounds good to them. I think that if Hillary holds true to her word and helps Obama campaign, I would give her that Appalacian area as a target. That said even her own campaign manager said that there is no way with the way things stand that she has a valid run for the Nomination. Only way to get it is to lie and steal it. By the way all of you people that are so concerned and angered by the treatment of the MI and FL voters why dont you ask Hillary why she would not except the offer of 69 to 59 delegate split of MI. She would have gained 10 extra delegates ,better than the 50/50 original offer? Obama agreed to it. They are really concerned about those voters in her campaign. Puuuuuuuleeeeeeeeeeeeze.
THANK YOU "JESSICA"!!!!

"Here are some facts for some of you to chew on regarding HRC "BIG WIN" in a BIG important state:

States & elections won with 60% or more of the vote:
Barrack Obama: 15 States + DC + VI
* Virgin Islands (89.9%)
* Idaho (79%)
* Hawaii (76%)
* Alaska (75%)
* District of Columbia (75%)
* Kansas (74%)
* Washington (68%)
* Nebraska (68%)
* Minnesota (67%)
* Colorado (67%)
* Georgia (67%)

* Illinois (65%)
* Virginia (64%)
* Maryland (62%)
* North Dakota (61%)
* Wyoming (61%)
* Mississippi (61%)

Hillary Clinton: 1 State
* Arkansas (70%)
* West Virginia (60%)


Sorry HRC supporters.  HRC "BIG WIN" pales in comparison with ALL of Obama’s BIG WINS."

I am re-pasting your comments because none of those Idiots on Morning Joe and in the Media will SAY THIS!!  They are giving her more credence than she deserves!!  Please Guys Post this!  

Once again thank you "Jessica"!  You Rock!!

Not to mention that these people in WV and Kentucky STILL continue to believe all that stuff about Wright and that he's a Muslim.  They DO have access to TV and the Internet don't they?  How can they STILL believe this crap!?  It's a crutch to hide their racism!!  Reports say that the economy is their top priority in WV, that they were "hit hard".  So WHY would they say they wouldn't vote for Obama if "their" candidate didn't win, when the FACT IS that there is VERY LITTLE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CLINTON AND OBAMA WHEN IT COMES TO POLICY!!??  You would vote for McCain, knowing FULL WELL that your DIRE SITUATION would continue??  That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen!  Those same people voted in GW twice against their best interest and then they complain about jobs being shipped overseas and NAFTA (what Irony!).  The ONLY people that can improve their situation are DEMOCRATS!  I've exhausted all possible reasoning:  They would rather support the champion of NAFTA, One Source of their pain or The GOP, who is all for shipping away their jobs over . . . the candidate who has PROVEN RECORD of standing against the same things that has made their lives HELL!!  That does not make sense; it defies the very laws of NATURE: Self Preservation.  The Only problem I can see is that he's . . . (gasp) Black!  This country cannot afford any more this kind of nonsense.  The Media Needs to be fair and DEBUNK this crap and call it for what it is.  Even the governor of WV is COMPLICIT in this NONSENSE!!  Please WAKE UP everybody!!
Chuckie T and Company,

I really, really, really appreciate your breakdowns of the math. Facts are facts and can't be disputed.

Thanks.

(P.S. I hope the media will keep WV (and KY) in context. It sometimes sounds as though poor, white, non-college-educated voters are the crux of the Democratic Party, while white educated "elitists" with good jobs mean nothing. And what about the African Americans and young voters who are also essential to the Party? Let's keep some balance here, please. I'm insulted that WV (and KY) voters are being given so much weight, especially since some have flat out told reporters they would never vote for a black man. That type of voter should NOT be rewarded with attention.)
The Democratic win in Mississippi shows that many of the so called swing states will likely go Democratic.  The backlash against the Republicans is overwhelming.  

For Hillary to suggest that only she can deliver West by God Virginia, and that W. Va. holds the key to Democratic success in the General is ludicrous.  

Hillary will have to show her mettle by delivering the Appalchian knuckle draggers of W. Va. and PA despite the fact that she won't be the nominee.


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