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Domenico Montanaro, NBC News Political Reporter



First thoughts: Now Obama's party?

Posted: Thursday, May 15, 2008 9:07 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, and Domenico Montanaro
*** Is it now Obama’s party? On Tuesday night, Clinton scored a 41-point win in West Virginia. Then, less than 24 hours later, more parts of the Democratic Party began coalescing around Obama. First came the endorsement from NARAL, which drew a furious response from Emily’s List and many of Clinton’s female congressional backers. Then Edwards -- in a move that took almost everyone by surprise -- endorsed Obama, which ended up burying the interviews Clinton had conducted with the network anchors the day after her West Virginia win. As NBC’s Andrea Mitchell said on TODAY, “Just when she was trying to get back on her feet, Hillary Clinton had the rug pulled out from under her.” What yesterday signaled, more than anything else, was that the Democratic Party is now becoming Barack Obama’s party, no matter what happened in West Virginia and might happen next week in Kentucky.

VIDEO: NBC Deputy Political Director Mark Murray and Chief Washington Correspondent Norah O'Donnell give their first read on the implications of John Edward's Obama endorsement.

*** Those 18 delegates: Edwards’ endorsement also did another thing: It undercuts Clinton’s Florida/Michigan argument. As we know by now, Obama will gain a majority of the pledged delegates after Tuesday’s contests in Kentucky and Oregon. But if you award Obama Edwards’ 18 pledged delegates -- who technically can vote for anyone at the convention, but whom you’d also expect to side with Obama -- then Obama, if he picks up about 50 delegates on Tuesday (less than half of the delegates up for grabs that night), he would obtain a majority of pledged delegates even if you include Florida and Michigan’s entire delegations. Here’s the math: 4,051 (the DNC convention voting total) minus 797 (superdelegates) equals 3,254 plus FL’s (185) and MI’s (128) delegates equals 3,567. Divide that by two (and round up), and here’s the number needed for a majority: 1,784. Obama currently has 1,599 pledged delegates. Add in those 18 Edwards delegates, add in our low estimate of 50 for him Tuesday and that gets you to 1,667. Now, add in the Clinton best-case scenarios in MI/FL, giving her the delegates with the voting as is, Obama would then reach a majority of the pledged delegates OVERALL. Assume a 105-67 split in FL and a 73-55 split in MI. That gives Obama a grand total of: 1,789.

*** “Stunned and deeply disappointed”: It’s also worth noting how personally Clinton and her supporters took the NARAL endorsement. “I think it is tremendously disrespectful to Sen. Clinton,” said Ellen Malcolm of Emily’s List. “It certainly must be disconcerting for elected leaders who stand up for reproductive rights and expect the choice community will stand with them.” Then some of Clinton’s most ardent female backers on Capitol Hill sent this letter to NARAL: “We are stunned and deeply disappointed… As members of Congress who are on the front lines every day fighting to protect a woman's right to choose, we know the importance of building larger coalitions, not dividing our friends. On the heels of Hillary's extraordinary victory in West Virginia last night, your action is counterproductive to Democratic unity.” By endorsing Obama, the signal that NARAL was sending was that not only is Obama looking like he’ll be the nominee, but also that gender doesn’t matter when it comes to abortion politics. Clinton’s supporters, it seems, disagreed. It’s also worth pointing out that not a single NARAL staffer resigned after the endorsement.

*** Bush's swipe at Obama: Per NBC’s John Yang, President Bush used his speech to the Israeli Knesset this morning to inject himself into the 2008 presidential race with a swipe at Obama's call for diplomatic engagement with Iran. First, Bush equated Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad with Hamas, Hezbollah and Osama bin Laden. Then: "Some seem to believe we should negotiate with terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along. We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: 'Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.' We have an obligation to call this what is is -- the false comfort of appeasement."

VIDEO: President Bush issues a stinging criticism of Barack Obama, suggesting that his plan to hold talks with Iran is the same as trying to appease the Nazis on the eve of World War II.

*** 2013, The McCain Odyssey: McCain gives a speech today in Columbus, OH, in which he’ll talk about what he hopes to achieve after his first term in office if he becomes president. “By January 2013,” he will say according to excerpts released by his campaign, “America has welcomed home most of the servicemen and women who have sacrificed terribly so that America might be secure in her freedom. The Iraq war has been won. Iraq is a functioning democracy, although still suffering from the lingering effects of decades of tyranny and centuries of sectarian tension.” Other things include: economic growth, Congress not sending him an appropriations bill containing earmarks, American well on its way to energy independence, and health care becoming more accessible to Americans. The McCain campaign also has a Web video to go along with the speech. What’s interesting about all of this is that it emphasizes one term. Is this another signal that McCain might promise to serve just one term?

*** Just asking: Speaking of McCain, will news that Cindy McCain sold off at least $2 million she held in funds with investments in Sudan businesses end up spurring new requests to see her tax records?

*** Five big turning points: In today’s installment of our look at the big -- yet underappreciated -- turning points in the Obama-Clinton race, we take a look back at the very beginning of this contest. While in some eyes, the race began in earnest on January 20, 2007 -- the day Clinton announced her exploratory committee online (“So let the conversation begin”) -- Obama had actually unveiled his exploratory announcement four days earlier. “For the next several weeks, I am going to talk with people from around the country, listening and learning more about the challenges we face as a nation,” he said in a taped message on his Web site. “And on February 10th, at the end of these decisions and in my home state of Illinois, I'll share my plans with my friends, neighbors and fellow Americans.” While that moment might not have been a turning point, per se, since it happened at the very outset, it signaled that it would be Obama -- and not Clinton -- dictating the pace of the race. “It sort of forced their hand,” an Obama source tells First Read. “We did it on our own terms. It caught everyone by surprise.”

*** The numbers: Obama picked up 4.5 superdelegates delegates yesterday to one for Clinton. (Obama got Lena Taylor, Oklahoma's Mike Morgan, state senate pro tempore as well as 2.5 others overnight; Clinton picked up the endorsement of Tennessee DNC member Vicky Harwell, president of the Tennessee Federation of Democratic Women.) The counts: PLEDGED: Obama 1599 to 1447; SUPERDELEGATES: Obama 287.5 to 276.5; TOTAL: Obama 1,886.5 to 1,723.5. There are 233 superdelegates who remain undecided of the 797 total. Obama needs 139.5 to reach the magic number of 2,026; Clinton needs 302.5. Since last Tuesday, Obama has picked up 31 superdelegates to Clinton's 1.5.

*** On the trail: Clinton is in South Dakota, campaigning in Aberdeen and Rapid City; McCain speaks in Columbus, OH before heading to DC to raise money; and Obama is down in Illinois. Also, Bill Clinton stumps in Kentucky, hitting Louisville, Bardstown, and Elizabethtown.
 
Countdown to Kentucky and Oregon: 5 days
Countdown to Election Day 2008: 173 days
Countdown to Inauguration Day 2009: 250 days
 
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Comments

Who's REALLY ELECTABLE ?

The Leader or the Crook ?
Barack Obama or the 'white (female) Al Sharpton' ?

'...just because Obama loses a voting bloc in a
primary does not mean he will lose the same group in
the general election. The Democratic base is going to
vote for the Democratic nominee...'



From Politico.com:

'...The Obama campaign has three answers to this:
First, just because Obama loses a voting bloc in a
primary does not mean he will lose the same group in
the general election. The Democratic base is going to
vote for the Democratic nominee no matter who it is.
And among general election voters, Obama aides say,
Obama is doing just fine. (And, besides, no Democratic
president since Lyndon Johnson has won the white vote,
anyway.)

“Put your brains back in your head and look at the
national polls instead of local, primary polls,” a
senior Obama aide told me Tuesday in a phone
interview. “In national polls, we win every income
group against John McCain except those people making
$100,000-plus, where we lose by one point, which is a
tie.

“Among white, non-college voters, McCain leads Obama
52-40 and he leads Clinton 52-44. A four-point
difference between us and Clinton, well within the
margin of error.

“Overall in head-to-head matchups, we are beating
McCain by more than she is. And, most importantly, we
are winning independents 51-42 against McCain, and
Clinton loses independents 49-46 against McCain. Se we
are plus nine among independents and she is minus
three.”

Obama’s second argument is that the slicing and dicing
of the electorate into neat little groups misses what
he is about: He is unifying figure. He represents
change, he says, and he will attract the votes of
people who want change, regardless of the neat boxes
that pollsters put them in...'


2013...4.5 more years of families being killed..
If the far right is needed by McShame to win this election...where is the meaning, thou shalt not kill..doesn't this apply to all people...left, right anybody.
Keeping this fuse burning surely sends the proper message to world, as well as, our children...
OH Yeah...what if all over again..
Brilliant bit of politics! And note that the O'camp does it without slaming the clintons, in fact heaping praise on them while stealing the thunder and controlling the news.
The O'camp does it without pandering or telling lies. Wow, take a lesson Billery! Yes we can do politics without your methods!
Take a lesson Billery... We can do politics without taking the money from special interests!
Take a lesson all you in Washington... We are coming!
Yes we are and Yes we can!!
Yes we can!!!!
How to Lose an Election You Were Meant to Win 101:

First, nominate the most inexperienced candidate ever.
Second, nominate a candidate with an America Hater pastor.
Third, nominate a candidate who wants to engage in 1939 Pre-WWII Appeasment with terrorists and nations who sponsor terrorists.
Fourth, nominate a candidate who can't win big states in primaries.
Fifth, nominate a candidate who's wife hasn't been proud of America until her husband started winning primaries.
And Sixth....nominate Barak Obama.

MSNBC, NBC, and First Read are all full of crap.
You aren't journalists.
You are Obama whores.
Why don't you just admit it.
The real turning point was when John Edwards quit the race and allowed Obama to take on Clinton head to head.  Clinton failed to score her knockout punch on February 5th and then Obama went on a tear winning a dozen contests in a row.  That turned Hillary from inevitable winner into the inevitable loser as her poorly run campaign was not ready for post February 5th hard campaigning.

Let's face it Hillary ran a poorly strategized campaign with the wrong message and poor use of her initial financial advantage.  They also failed to understand and react to the early indications that Obama was raising some serious money.

When looking at how brilliantly Obama and his team ran his campaign we can see a new genius team at work that can change the electoratal map the way Clinton couldn't.  The Obama team is the best team for sending "Warmonger" McCain into political retirement, where all Reagan foot soldiers belong.

Go Obama 08/12!
I SO hope that Edwards can help pull a Kentucky upset. Or even a squeaker. Either would be awesome.
Also remember that if Florida would count, John Edwards will receive some delegates there as well(he was in the race and on the ballot when Florida voted). Chances are good that these delegates too would go to Obama
This primary season is just so much fun! Obama 08!

Bring on those superdelegates and we're done spending money for these deClinters...
AND THIS was to UNITE us - The arrogance and mean spirited timing of this "endorsement" is the exact reason WHY that will NEVER happen.  Edwards coming out does zero for obama - should/could of came out before WV - might of helped with that "working class" vote - this was all the steal the BIG WIN from Hillary. It would be a smart political move - BUT
we ALL thought that obama was above all that - he is to be the candidate of CHANGE - guess NOT!!
Same ole BS  - all very staged just for SHOW.
"Secret" Cindy McCain shares the same love of secrecy that has been the hallmark of the nontransparent government of "Tyrants" Bush/Cheney.  Her desire to keep her tax returns out of the public eye is sure proof that she has something nefarious to hide.

Go Obama 08/12!
Good for NAARAL!  As a women (64, white, UAW retiree) I was appalled by Clinton's use of the race card in WV. As an activist in the women's movement of te 60's we never saw our freedom and equality as different from that of minorities.  We always talked about how if folks can divide us and pit us against one another than none of us would be free.  Women wake up! Our unity with each other, all races, gender/life style, nationalities, and religions depends on understanding what the union movement has always know.  United we stand, divided we fall!  For shame Hillary, I'm sticking with Obama!
Per NBC’s John Yang, President Bush used his speech to the Israeli Knesset this morning to inject himself into the 2008 presidential race with a swipe at Obama's call for diplomatic engagement with Iran. First, Bush equated Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad with Hamas, Hezbollah and Osama bin Laden. Then: "Some seem to believe we should negotiate with terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along. We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: 'Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.' We have an obligation to call this what is is -- the false comfort of appeasement."
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How is it possible that the President of the United States can utter these words. Absolutely disgraceful.

President Bush, go back to Texas and put on your holster and play with your friends.  

This is the real world, not cowboys and indians for goodness sakes.


Wolf Blitzer's CNN interview with Hillary was not buried.  It was shown while the Edward's announcement was imminent and it was finished before that.

FOX didn't care about the Edwards announcement much.
I don't understand why everyone is so sure Clinton voters will vote for Obama. I am a conservative, who normally votes for a Democrat, at least in the last 2 elections. I am a converted Republican, because of the job President Clinton did. I will probably not vote for Senator Obama in the general election. Not because he is a black man, but because I don't think he is honest. Anyone who votes present as many times as he has is hiding something he doesn't want us to know. It is cowardly thing to do, and it tells me he's a straightforward person. He eats dinners with one of the biggest racists in America, in the form of Reverend Wright. At the same time he is trying to sell me on how he is like me and will fight for me in Washington. I'm not sure I want the change he has in store for my country, I just want my country back the way it was when Bill Clinton was in office. I know what that is like and it was nice, that's why I voted for Hillary in the primary. I can't picture the change Obama has for America, because all he has said is we can come together. I know some people will read this and call me a racist. That's not true, it's got nothing to do with his skin color. My problem is with his past and his affiliations. My problem with Reverend Wright has nothing to do with the color of his skin; it's with his mouth. He has a right to say what he wants, and Obama has the right to befriend the very people who promote what he is supposedly against. That's not racism on my part. I'm not going to feel ashamed to vote for a white candidate for the reasons I have mentioned. It really does bother me that blacks are voting for him +90% of the time. That's the most racist statement made in this election. I know not all of them are voting for him because he is black, but I know a lot of them are. That is the only demographic in America voting on that kind of margin. If we really want to change America, then it must come from everyone. I've heard how appalling it is that 22% of the voters in West Virginal did not vote for him and race was an issue. They didn't take the time to get to know him, and I concede that is appalling. On the other hand I think it is even more appalling that the black population is overwhelming supporting their candidate by 90% margin. That's appalling and hypocritical of the some of them. I know there are some people who think Hillary is more qualified, yet voted for Obama because he is black, and shame on you. So we still have a lot of ground to cover on the race issue, but only time will bring us together. Someone please help me understand how this is ok. I am old enough to know to judge people by their actions and not their words. It's easy to get up and give a speech, it's another thing to live by it. Obama's actions just haven't been a good reflection of what he has been saying. So this leads me to believe he is saying what it takes to get him elected, so he can continue to act like he's been acting. Don't even get me started on the things his wife has said and the anti-white-American anger that woman is harboring.
First off, yes, it IS Obama's party now; it doesn't matter what the lady in the pantsuit says anymore.
As for Bush's swipe his cowboy lack of diplomacy has sure worked in the Middle East, hasn't it---it's so much more peaceful a region than the day he took office!  As for Mccain's fantasy promises, he's definitely outdone "a chicken in every pot"! But we can't win in Iraq, Iraq won't be stable or particularly democratic, energy independence can't be gotten by kowtowing to Big Energy, and accessibility to healthcare can't be gotten with anything other than a national healthcare program...and the economy will not imporve while the rich get tax breaks and subsidies and we spend zillions a month on the continuing war in Iraq.  In other words, Mccain is fantasizing and asking America to accept his fantasies as reality.
And, yes, we need to see Cindi's tax returns.
BUSH IS A MORON!
I was one of John Edwards biggest supporters!   I contributed money to his campaign in 2004 (I had never contributed to a campaign before) and supposed him in 2008.  After he dropped out, I errored on the side of experience and decided to support Hillary.

I am shocked about how he handled his Obama endorsement.  He certainly had a right to do so but the timing AND the way in which he did it was so calculating and very hurtful – not only to Hillary but to her supporters!  I thought he would remain neutral until all the States had voted but I guess I gave him too much credit.  Hmmm, was his decision a self serving one??  

After all her hard work, he didn’t give Hillary 24 hours to enjoy her victory in West Virginia. He nailed her the very next day – a real stab in the back.  Shame on him!  And the way he did it.  If he had casually walked onto his own front yard in his polo shirt and jeans and made his announcement there, it would have been dignified and classy.  But to cunningly fly to Michigan and make a surprise appearance on stage with Obama in front of thousands was so devious, so tasteless.   I can certainly understand Obama asking him to do so but John could have said no - not now.  If either of these guys think John’s announcement is going to unite the country now, they’re so wrong.  It’s only made a delicate situation worse.  Did you hear their adoring audience boo Hillary’s name last night?  We Hillary supporters who once enthusiastically supported John feel even more disenfranchised now.  

Bottom line, I truly thought he was one of the few good ones in politics but evidently I mistook his smooth, Southern charm.  

John Edwards broke my heart yesterday.

Yes, Obama will almost certainly reach 2026 by May 21 or even sooner.  But that means nothing for the race.  Ron Paul is still active against John McCain. Hillary (and Obama) will let remaining voters have their say - it's just democratic... which the "get out now Hillary" crowd don't seem to understand or care about.  Perhaps they should vote for McCain and 4 more years of Fascism.
The democratic party has now officially lost to the republicans. Looks like four more of McBush. I guess all the high educated elitist just never learn. They put Bush back in after seeing where he was headed in his first term.
Shame on you Emily's list for keep trying to
destroy the democratic party..it's over for Hillary
About Obama's wearing a flag lapel pin--I don't care if he wears a diamond encrusted, emerald embedded, ruby draped broach. What I do care about is the economy, the war, and healthcare.
That was a political masterstroke the way Obama stepped on Hillary's taped news stories for last night's news shows.  I just love the way he timed it to steal her thunder and give his supporters a real thrill.  What a great team Obama and Edwards would make!

Thanks again to John Edwards for supporting Obama.  I was worried he'd go for Clinton and that she thought she had his 18 pledged delegates in hand to pull out as a last minute cavalry charge to save her with the supers.  Well that hope is gone for her and now it's just watching the clock run out so we can all unite behind the winning Obama campaign team.

Go Obama 08/12!
No, the Democratic Party has not become Obama's party.  I think many women are now evaluating their place in this party.  Hillary has won nearly 50% of the popular vote, yet is getting no respect from the men in charge.  I have been insulted by the media treatment of Hillary since she began her campaign. I feel sadness for women  today.

Michelle Obama and Oprah do not represent me--I can figure out what book  to read--Oprah. I certainly would not raise my children in that hateful church--Michelle.  

If John McCain selects a woman as his running mate, I will certainly take a long, thoughtful look.  I feel betrayed by John Edwards turning away from universal health care.

I do not want Hillary as Vice President.  I would  prefer her to remain in the Senate--give her Harry Reid's job as Senate Majority Leader
Emily's List idiotic outburst yesterday is a prime example of an organization in decline.  Like the WV "hard working, white voters", they look only at the past and fear.  The younger generation is moving on.  NARL sees the handwriting on the wall and knows if McCain is President that three Sumpeme Court Justices will be named in his first term.  

If Emily's List wants women to go back to clandestine abortions at great risk to themselves and their providers, they just did the best thing they could.  Shame on them and the Congressional female "whiners" that joined them.  It's 2008 not 1992 ladies.  Get real!  Hillary's going nowhere.
President Bush is a phony politician of the century...
Chuck, I really beleive that in order to address the problem of Iran and eliminate Hamas, isolationist diplomacy should be taken off the table and replaced with engagement diplomacy. Yes, Hamas is a terrorist group, but for the sake of peace, you have to engage your enemy.. Simply trying to isolate "roge states" or giving them meaningless labels like 'axis of evil' that can only enrage them further rather than endear them and send them a signal that we want peace, not imperialism will create a sense of defenseless and mistrust.
Don't forget that Reagan's confrontational policies toward the Soviet did not bring down the Soviet Union; it was internal pressure coupled by external pressure, including Reagan's policies. The Soviet Union collapsed because its leaders acknowledged they could not pursue communist and hardline policies, not because of Reagan. The same can be said of Hamas and Iran -- that if we continue to pressure them and not engage them, they will only increase their defense resoruces and be less inclined to listen to the world.
geez chuck: you underwhelmed us with the numbers. while i will be thrilled when sen.obama finally does receive the democratic nomination for president, it will make me furious, on principle only, if hillary is given the MI and FL delegates. she agreed to the rules of the DNC not counting these delegates at the beginning of the race and she acknowledged these rules before the NH primary. wasn't it bill himself who use to talk about "working hard and playing by the rules?" well, this is what sen.obama has done in running this campaign; not to mention his entire life - he studied hard, he disciplined and motivated himself to get a good education then he paid back as a community organizer. and for all this, he has been called elitist and out of touch. obama08
I'll tell ya what. This election is starting to get a little scary. Everyday, John McSame is looking more and more like a worthy advisary. I don't say this because I support the man. Far from it. I am only trying to see the obvious.
From what I can gather, McCain (fine, I'll call him by his correct name) talks a smooth game and with his recent talk about ending the war in 4 years, that adds up to be a mighty big promise. But will the American people bite? Will they be so charmed and influnced by the color of his skin (and I am still talking about McCain, here)that he draws enough interest? And the reason I bring up the color of McCain's skin (mind you, I am a white, 31 years old)is because race is obviously going to be a big influence this year. Especially for those racists who will never vote for the black man. And by the way, Obama IS half-white. Democrats: McCain is a dangerous old man.
I bring up these concerns because we are facing a different election. The democratic nominee is likely to be Obama, (I'm right behind you, buddy) but because race has been infected into this contest, I fear what trully lies in our hearts as Americans...and I hope most of you can overcome it.
Hillary herself has said she would support the democrats no matter what.
Obama supporters: You can bet we are going to need them. We are going to need every last dem to get back the House.
The stakes have never been higher, nor have our morals ever faced a greater challenge.
The challenge of unity.
I implore the american people to take a hard good look at Barack. Take the time to educate yourself on his policies.
You will find he is more than capable of leading our country in the right direction, but he is facing a difficult challenge, and he can't do this on his own.
In the end, the American people must come to their own decissions. I just hope they realize this opportunity of greatness.
This opportunity we have with Obama.
This opportunity to better the country.

GO DEMS/08
Jerry [[President Bush is right.  Obama talking to Iran would be just about the same as us talking Hitler out of invading Poland.]]

Since Iran hasn't threatened to invade anyone, Duhbya's analogy to Hitler not very appropriate. And no, they never threatened to whipe Israel off the map. That's just another neocon lie to get us into another foolish war. Their president Ahmadinejad did say that the Israeli regime would fall (as all governments eventually do), but not that Iran was going to do the pushing.

[[Would just make them look bigger and they would in turn take bigger risks.  We can't afford that with a soft guy like Obama.]]

We can't afford another soft-headed guy like McCain right after all the catastrophes resulting from having a similar idiot as president for the past 8 years.

And, by the way, McCain ought to ask his pal convicted felon G. Gordon Liddy how much the Iranians are like Hitler. Liddy is a big fan of Adolph's, so he ought to know.
I hope B-B-B-B-B-Bush keeps talking!  Best thing ever for Democrats in Nov.  
Bush's comments were incredibly inappropriate! First of all, you do NOT make those types of statements on foreign soil. Second of all, that he would make the statement a day after Israel 60th is so opportunistic and disrespectful.

But I'm glad he did it, because the more Bush argues against Obama on the same points that McCain does, the more it connects the two and reminds people that McCain is just Bush v2.0.


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