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Bush's 'Nazi' swipe at Obama

Posted: Thursday, May 15, 2008 10:13 AM by Domenico Montanaro

From NBC's John Yang
President George W. Bush used his speech to the Israeli Knesset this morning to inject himself into the 2008 presidential race with a swipe at Barack Obama's call for diplomatic engagement with Iran.

First, he equated Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad with Hamas, Hezbollah and Osama bin Laden. Then: "Some seem to believe we should negotiate with terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along. We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: 'Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.' We have an obligation to call this what it is -- the false comfort of appeasement."

Obama responded in a written statement: "It is sad that President Bush would use a speech to the Knesset on the 60th anniversary of Israel's independence to launch a false political attack. It is time to turn the page on eight years of policies that have strengthened Iran and failed to secure America or our ally Israel. Instead of tough talk and no action, we need to do what Kennedy, Nixon and Reagan did and use all elements of American power -- including tough, principled, and direct diplomacy -- to pressure countries like Iran and Syria. George Bush knows that I have never supported engagement with terrorists, and the President's extraordinary politicization of foreign policy and the politics of fear do nothing to secure the American people or our stalwart ally Israel."

Speaking on background, a senior administration official says the president's language to anyone -- the official specifically mentioned Obama and former President Jimmy Carter's suggestion that the U.S. talk to Hamas -- who has suggested engaging with rogue states or terrorist groups without first getting some leverage. The official said Defense Secretary Gates' comments yesterday, which NBC's Jim Miklaszeski reported on, referred to talks before there is some leverage.

On the record, White House Press Secretary Dana Perino said the president's comments do not represent a change in policy and was not a slam on Obama.

A rift in the administration?
Miklaszeski reports that yesterday, in a speech to retired U.S. diplomats that was closed to the media and off-camera, Gates suggesed that more Americans and others open UNOFFICIAL CONTACTS with Iran as a means to open meaningful dialogue with the Iranian government.

"My own view, just my personal view, would be we ought look for ways outside of government to oopen up the channels and get more of a flow of people back and forth."    

Although Gates had advocated more government-to-government contact between the U.S. and Iran he acknowledged that was less likely now given the role Iran is allegedly playing in attacking U.S. forces in Iraq.

Gates also said the U.S. must be prepared to give Iran something in return for giving up it's nuclear ambitions.  "We need to figure out a way to develop some leveral with respect to the Iranian and then sit down and talk with them.  If there's going to be discussion then they need something too."

Pentagon officials insist Gates statements do not conflict with adminstration policy toward Iran, saying the U.S. is seeking a diplomatic solution to the Iranian nuke problem.

A rallying cry for the 'right'?
Bush's remarks appear to be a reference to the late Sen. William Borah "who, on hearing of the Nazi invasion of Poland in 1939, lamented: 'Lord, if only I could have talked with Hitler, all this might have been avoided.'"

An Investor's Business Daily editorial from Oct. 2007 says Obama's, the “Iraq Study Group’s,” the “L.A. Times'” and “columnist William Cohen's” suggestions on talking to Iran are "naivete" -- "exceeded perhaps only by the late Sen. William Borah who, on hearing of the Nazi invasion of Poland in 1939, lamented: 'Lord, if only I could have talked with Hitler, all this might have been avoided.'"

"If only we had talked more with Saddam Hussein," it continues. "If only we had let sanctions work. If only we talk to Hezbollah, to Iran, to Syria. Someday let's not be saying: If only we had listened to George W. Bush and Dick Cheney."

The comments attributed to Borah have circulated the Web and become something of a rallying cry on the right it appears

Apparently, Rumsfeld also invoked this prior to 2006: "As James Taranto notes in his indispensable 'Best of the Web Today' column, the only American politician Rumsfeld mentioned was the late Sen. William Borah, who upon hearing of Hitler's 1939 invasion of Poland sighed: 'Lord, if only I could have talked with Hitler, all this might have been avoided.' Borah was a Republican isolationist, so perhaps we can understand the aforementioned Democrats' indignation. As I say, they are exceptionally touchy."

A commenter on one blog wants to start "the William Edgar Borah Award. It’s named after the Idaho Senator who upon hearing that Hitler had invaded Poland said “Lord, if I could only have talked with Hitler, all this might have been avoided.” I think I’ll use his statue at the Capitol as a model."

A line in the sand?
Otherwise, the theme of President Bush's day in Israel can be summed up as tyranny and oppression. He began the day at Masada, the ancient Negev Desert fortress where, facing defeat by the Romans in the early First Century, a group of nearly 1,000 Jewish rebels chose suicide over living as slaves. Later, at the Knesset, he spoke of combating what he called modern-day tyrants--Hamas, Hezbollah, Osama bin Laden and Mahmoud Ahmedinejad.

"Citizens of Israel," he declared, "Masada shall never fall again, and America will be at your side."

He gave Israel the green light on Iran, giving them moral justification: "America stands with you in firmly opposing Iran's nuclear weapons ambitions. Permitting the world's leading sponsor of terror to possess the world's deadliest weapons would be an unforgivable betrayal for future generations. For the sake of peace, the world must not allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon."

But he also gave ammunition to Arab and Palestinian critics who say he is not an honest broker in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. First, he quoted Jeremiah's Biblical claim that God gave the Jews the land from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea, including the West Bank and Gaza--Manifest Destiny with a Holy text.

The establishment of the state of Israel, he said, "was the redemption of an ancient promise given to Abraham and Moses and David: A homeland for the chosen people--Eretz Yisrael."

Palestinians would also be angered by his declaration: "We consider it a source of shame that the United Nations routinely passes more human rights resolutions against the freest democracy in the Middle East than any other national in world."

Those resolutions are in response to Israeli treatment of Palestinians.

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"Pentagon officials insist Gates statements do not conflict with adminstration policy toward Iran"

WHAT???  The Bush administration just slammed Pres. Carter (& ergo Obama) BIG-TIME after he did EXACTLY what Gates suggests.

More lies and BS
Que Pat Hunington, with her personal misery and far fetched smears of Obama that always makes me smile and chuckle... Thanks Pat for continuing to post, I look forward to your pathetic sour grapes to comparitively brighten my day :)
Yeah sure george and john...pander away to the jewish vote...one of the biggest reasons for 9/11 and the past 60 years or so of strife in the ME is because of the blind obedience numerous US governments have shown to the religious state of israel
If GWB had done HIS job, Obama would not have to "consider" talking to anyone, and we would not be in IRAQ!

If GWB had captured Bin Laden, instead of waging war for oil, westerners, middle easterners, asians and europeans would all be safer today.
President Bush is an embarassment. To go to Israel and try to overtly connect Barack Obama to Nazism is truly despicable. Why do we as Americans even let the President leave the country and represent us all abroad? Another black eye on the worst administration in American history.
Oh God !!!!!
Can't he "JUST SHUT THE HELL UP?"

I'm just sick to death of George Bush and all his croneys!!! Including McSame

I'm with Olberman on this one.

SHUT UP BUSH.

He's an embarassment to this country and its history.
Bush's comments are disgusting. Combine that with the GOP's"tar baby" comment and the pathetic attempt to link Obama to Hamas...the GOP is desperate and clinging to Rove's playbook.
Now. This will be interesting.  Bush is on the attack now.  
Ohhh Bushieee what gives ?
Has the FEAR OF AN OBAMA LANDSLIDE HIT YOU?

Laughable attack on the worst president of our lifetime !

Just laughable ... a man with 23% approval attacking Obama?

( Hillary & McCain & Bush ) vs. Obama ?

Oh I forgot to add Billy Bubba Clinton.

When Obama wins this .. It will be the best day in the History of thIS COUNTRY !

McCain is still RAMBLING on tv ... he's sooo OLD .
What could be a greater endorsement of Obama than now being attacked by George W. Bush?
Bush is so out of touch. If he wants to attack Obama, he should agree with his policies. Then the public would believe they are wrong for sure.

If 82% believe we're heading in the wrong direction & he's driving the bus, I say do the opposite.
Yet another reason why the American people are voting Democratic. The Democrats might not be any better, but at least they're not Republicans. Bush's rhetoric just makes him SOUND like an anachronism. Kind of like Bill Clinton's
Wouldn't you LOVE to see a debate with Bush and Obama? I would probably die from laughing at how ridiculous Obama would make Bush look (although my 6 year old granddaughter could do that, too).........almost as good as the upcoming Obama/McFossil debates!!!
This is a great week for Obama!

John Edwards and George W. Bush are helping him unite the Democratic Party behind him!  

And we all know that GW has been right on sooo many things so far, so clearly we should all heed his words now. Can't wait till this tool is gone.
Now he finally tells us what we knew all along - his foreign policy is based on his understanding of scripture.  Guess what moron - other people have different holy books that say otherwise so it's not really smart for that to be the basis of your foreign policy.

For the sake of peace, he wants to go to war with Iran.  Yeah, that's a good one.

Now I see why the Palestinians do not trust America to be an honest broker of peace - he basically said he believes it is Israel's manifest destiny to take over Gaza and the West Bank.
I wonder where we'd be today if the democrats and the media had been on our side instead against Bush? That will all be sorted out once the 2nd Jimmy Carter term starts to fall apart.
What a disgrace to all Americans.

Bob, Chicago
Bush equating Iran with Nazi Germany is, well, what can you say? I'm sure in Bush's mind they are just the same.

Germany annexed and/or invaded everyone around them, from Prague, to Poland, to Paris.

And Iran... well... okay, maybe they haven't left their borders since biblical times.

Germany had an elected chancellor just pretty much do away with whatever democratic trappings existed, and declare himself the absolute power.

And Iran... well... okay, maybe they still have elections. But we all know the clerics run the country, right? And you can't trust those clerics! Well, you can trust our clerics. you just can't trust theirs. Oh, and nevermind that most of our problems with Iran stem back to when we staged a coup against a previous democratically elected government to install the Shah. Minor detail.

So of course we should follow a Bush third-termer in his refusal to do anything with Iran, instead of a naive new guy who thinks we ought to at least talk with them; kinda like Nixon did with the Chinese and Reagan did with the Soviets. I mean, what did any of those talks ever produce? Yep, Bush's way is much better.
Clinton supporters here: We didn't see you whining about the so-called "bias" in the media.  It seems so long ago when Saturday Night Live did those now-famous skits depicting the media fawning over Senator Obama. If Barack got a PILLOW, Hillary got the whole California King-Size bed.  And she rested quite comfortably on that for more than two months. During that time, Obama and his so-called "pastor problem" DOMINATED First Read, blogs and the entire news cycle. You think THAT was fun? Clinton supporters were LOVING that, much like Linda Blair snickering as she crouched in the corner of her room.

Now, all of you are whining about how Hillary isn't getting a "fair" shake. The media didn't cast those 17 million-plus votes for Barack Obama. WE did.

And all of you Clinton supporters can threaten your revenge vote for McCain all you want, but know this: If you can sleep well at night voting for four more years of sending innocent young American men and women to their needless slaughter in Iraq, instead of "holding your nose" and voting for the "black guy," be our guest. It's on you.

I'm a WHITE middle class voter for Barack Obama, and I APPROVE this message.
GW was right on target.  Obama has made some reckless statements.  Obama in charge of foreign affairs is scary.  Obama in charge of American affairs is stary too.

I don't trust Obama to have the best interest of America at the heart of what he would do.

Obama must not be president.
Bush is the most astounding fool to have ever set foot in the white house!  He himself is the closest thing I've seen in my life to a nazi president...go ahead and play golf George; it's obvious you don't give a damn about the soldiers dying in your personal war...you gutless wonder.
Comparing Obama to Nazi is not helping the situation of the Republican. In fact, he is further killing the Republican brand.

This guy must be an idiot.
I have such contempt for this man.

The idea that this disgrace of a President could be critical of ANYONE'S thoughts on foreign policy, given his record, is pure comedy.

The fact that he has twisted and distorted these thoughts, as usual, in a manner that invites fear, is sadly consistent with the last 7 years, and an insult to any reasonably intelligent American.

the jig is up, Bush.
America is NOT going to play your fool AGAIN...


GO OBAMA!!!!!
The GOP is constantly trying to figure out why American's hate them.  Geez, um, maybe becuase you guys are the biggest scumbags on the face of the earth.  You can't tell the truth, you throw trash in front of the t.v. on the radio and shout radical statements all over the place.  The dignity that once was held by the president has been obliterated!  George W. Bush and Dick Cheney are an embarassment to America.  Two men who refused to serve this country, but had no problem sending us the war, a man who complains about giving up his damn golf game in respect for our soliders!  It is an outrage that anyone would listen to anyone with this Administration.  I have never been so dissapointed or upset in my life.  What a Big Fat Jerk!  I hope Keith Olbermann rips Bush again tonight, I hope everyone shouts from the streets to get this man and every other republican out of our capital.
Oh, and I respect Sec. Gates.  I think he is the only rational man having to do with this administration.  The next president had better keep him around.
Obama needs to join McCain and Bush at the hipps on this one. This is the perfect issue to nail these two on. I hope Obama Does what I sugguest...Please tie McCain And Bush together on this issue for the fall campaign...
"The president swallows the microphone every time he opens his mouth," Davis said.

Well said Davis.

Hey Bush,
Choke on it.
"The president swallows the microphone every time he opens his mouth," Davis said.

Well said Davis.

Hey Bush,
Choke on it.
bush and perino -- so marred in their own rhetoric -- never cease to sink to lower levels of stupidity and embarrassment.  where did they find her?  they do nothing but continue to prove that they think the american people are dumb.  or, to be testing how low bush's ratings can go.
Is there any more doubt that the general election has begun?
George W. Bush is an idiot. We all know it. I can't even get mad anymore - it's like being angry with a two year old . . . he's doing the best he can. But hey, at least he's a "regular guy", right?

So sad.
George who???
Bush just stop it and get the hell out of the white house.  You've ruined this country and McCain will continue with the ruin.   Let Obama and Edwards IN

GO OBAMA/EDWARDS!!  (I HOPE AND HOPE)
Mr Bush I wish you owuld listen to Mr Olbermann he has some words you need to hear. I also think you need to stand down and prepare yourself for the wooping your party is going to take because of your recklessness in handling foreign policies. You are the  Biggest Fearmonger This Counrty has had the disservice of having as a leader. You make the rational person cringe when they hear the distorted truth as told by you and your admin.The hidng of details and truth is shameful. Mr Bush and Mr McBush we are tired of your stupid war, The profit making machine that it is. Mr McBush I do not want to live in a third world country driven into poverty by the war and the increasing debt to China. So Mr Bush and Mr McBush save your fear tactic speeches for a closed forum , dont further disgrace us in the World Format. To My concerned brother from tenn. AA voters gave 90%of their vote to Bill Clinton, Al Gore and John Kerry I did not see anyone complain that they where voting racially then . Just understand when AA like someone they support them in numbers is all race is not the iisue.It is being reported that way unfarely
Bush should know better than to tangle with Obama.  Bush is WAY out of his league when it comes to being able to speak articulately and logically--one reason Americans are so ready for change.
BUSH is a buffoon.  His admin can't end fast enough.

BTW - for anyone who did not see Keith's Special Comment last night, I higly recommend it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/24635229#24635229
Regarding Bush's comment--And bombing the h*** out of them has worked so well.  You call it appeasement; I call it trying something different, like negotiation and understanding (a new concept I know).
BOOOOOOOO THIS MAN!!!!!!!!!!
I'll never forget a speech Bush gave some time back,  concerning the war.  He said "The sacrifice has been worth it".  My blood startd boiling!!!  I wrote and asked him how many of his kids he had sacrificed.  I guess I really went off on an "Olberman rant".
Mr. Bush, you lied us into the invasion and occupation of a sovereign nation.  You've made us the global bully, despised for torture and arrogance.  You LIED to us and over 4,000 of our children are dead.  My son is there, on the front lines, yet AGAIN because you have pushed our military beyond their limits in your unbridled passion to be seen as the great military man.  You ego has surpassed your grasp and we have paid the most bitter price of all.  Take your deceit, shut your mouth, and leave in January.  The American people will be busy cleaning up the mess you have left.  History will not look favorably upon you.
As they say it takes one to know one, and who better to know about Nazi's that George "Hitler" Bush?  The NeoCons are nothing but NeoNazis in expensive suits.

The NeoCons have done more to bring about the end of our democracy than any two-bit terrorist group. Their ignorant arrogant approach to diplomacy is why there's been no progress towards Middle East peace and why it's farther away than ever.

Go Obama 08/12!  
Talking with our enemies is NOT the same as appeasement, period.  He needs a history lesson.  Was Reagan appeasing the USSR when he talked with the Soviets?  What about Nixon and China?  Ke nnedy?  Anyone?  Beuller?  

"If you disagree with Bush, you're an un-patriotic, un-American, pro-terrorism, surrendering coward!"  Newsflash, Mr. Bush.  YOU ARE NOT AMERICA, WE ARE.  Hundreds of millions of us disagree with you.  

Un-American:  Shredding the Constitution and Bill of Rights, Imprisoning people without trial and torturing them, Invading sovereign countries without provocation or cause, Silencing voices of dissent with threats and insinuations.  

I can't WAIT for Obama to have this debate with the Republicans, and he's been very clearly itching to have it as well.  It's far past time to show these Republicans for the true Un-American Cowards they are for "Appeasing" our enemies by "Surrendering" every ideal that America stands for.
Democrats and Republicans are strong supporters of Israel.  It was really tacky of Bush to launch an attack on Democrats from Israel during an anniversary celebration.
I agree with a GOP house member who said yesterday, "Every time Bush opens his mouth, he swallows the microphone."

Olberman was absolutely right.  Chucklenuts oughtta SHUT UP!!!!!!!
This is the stuff 527's are made of.  Obama better get prepared for this and worse, and if he has any chance in winning in November, he better have his responses already prepared. What Bush said is the kind of stuff non-college educated working class whites eat up and causes them not to vote for the democrat.  This is what Hillary supporters warned you all about.

BTW Eric...its Pat, as in Patrick...so use the correct pronouns when addressing me!
I would like to see a few questions posed to President Bush and Vice President Cheney by the media -

Do either of you see any similiarites between the Bush Administration and Nazi regime as far as propaganda being used to literally invade another country?

Why do you believe the entire world is excited by the prospects of the USA electing Senator Obama as our next president?

Republicans are saying that Barack Obama is a "listener". He's open to debate. Why wasn't that an option during your Administration in 2002/2003?

Was it because most citizens in this country do not like to invade other countries without cause?

Is there anything wrong with that?

Why was it that Barack Obama felt strongly that the USA should not be invading Iraq back in 2002?

What did he understand that the entire Bush Administration and most of our military did not?


Just more ignorant arrogant "Cowboy" diplomacy from the Tyrant in Chief.  No wonder Muslims are more radicalized than ever before.  We will never have peace until we get rid of the NeoCon crowd.

Only Barack Obama understands the solution to true Middle East peace is through diplomacy and reconciliation.  "Warmonger" McCain will only continue the failed diplomacy of the Bush/Cheney Tyranny and we will never achieve peace in our time until we throw out the NeoNazi crowd currently in the White House!

Go Obama 08/12!  
Why is this screwball still allowed to travel around and open his mouth about ANYTHING?
And since when are the terms 'appeasement' and 'diplomacy' assumed to mean the same thing?   Wait, I get it- 'diplomacy' isn't anywhere in Bush's vocabulary.
Why is it that they always drag out and dust off the 'big lesson of WWII' (the appeasement argument) but seem to forget the OTHER big lesson of WWII which is that Germany didn't start losing the war until they opened that second front against Russia. Shouldn't THAT be the lesson to be learned here?


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