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Bush's 'Nazi' swipe at Obama

Posted: Thursday, May 15, 2008 10:13 AM by Domenico Montanaro

From NBC's John Yang
President George W. Bush used his speech to the Israeli Knesset this morning to inject himself into the 2008 presidential race with a swipe at Barack Obama's call for diplomatic engagement with Iran.

First, he equated Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad with Hamas, Hezbollah and Osama bin Laden. Then: "Some seem to believe we should negotiate with terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along. We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: 'Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.' We have an obligation to call this what it is -- the false comfort of appeasement."

Obama responded in a written statement: "It is sad that President Bush would use a speech to the Knesset on the 60th anniversary of Israel's independence to launch a false political attack. It is time to turn the page on eight years of policies that have strengthened Iran and failed to secure America or our ally Israel. Instead of tough talk and no action, we need to do what Kennedy, Nixon and Reagan did and use all elements of American power -- including tough, principled, and direct diplomacy -- to pressure countries like Iran and Syria. George Bush knows that I have never supported engagement with terrorists, and the President's extraordinary politicization of foreign policy and the politics of fear do nothing to secure the American people or our stalwart ally Israel."

Speaking on background, a senior administration official says the president's language to anyone -- the official specifically mentioned Obama and former President Jimmy Carter's suggestion that the U.S. talk to Hamas -- who has suggested engaging with rogue states or terrorist groups without first getting some leverage. The official said Defense Secretary Gates' comments yesterday, which NBC's Jim Miklaszeski reported on, referred to talks before there is some leverage.

On the record, White House Press Secretary Dana Perino said the president's comments do not represent a change in policy and was not a slam on Obama.

A rift in the administration?
Miklaszeski reports that yesterday, in a speech to retired U.S. diplomats that was closed to the media and off-camera, Gates suggesed that more Americans and others open UNOFFICIAL CONTACTS with Iran as a means to open meaningful dialogue with the Iranian government.

"My own view, just my personal view, would be we ought look for ways outside of government to oopen up the channels and get more of a flow of people back and forth."    

Although Gates had advocated more government-to-government contact between the U.S. and Iran he acknowledged that was less likely now given the role Iran is allegedly playing in attacking U.S. forces in Iraq.

Gates also said the U.S. must be prepared to give Iran something in return for giving up it's nuclear ambitions.  "We need to figure out a way to develop some leveral with respect to the Iranian and then sit down and talk with them.  If there's going to be discussion then they need something too."

Pentagon officials insist Gates statements do not conflict with adminstration policy toward Iran, saying the U.S. is seeking a diplomatic solution to the Iranian nuke problem.

A rallying cry for the 'right'?
Bush's remarks appear to be a reference to the late Sen. William Borah "who, on hearing of the Nazi invasion of Poland in 1939, lamented: 'Lord, if only I could have talked with Hitler, all this might have been avoided.'"

An Investor's Business Daily editorial from Oct. 2007 says Obama's, the “Iraq Study Group’s,” the “L.A. Times'” and “columnist William Cohen's” suggestions on talking to Iran are "naivete" -- "exceeded perhaps only by the late Sen. William Borah who, on hearing of the Nazi invasion of Poland in 1939, lamented: 'Lord, if only I could have talked with Hitler, all this might have been avoided.'"

"If only we had talked more with Saddam Hussein," it continues. "If only we had let sanctions work. If only we talk to Hezbollah, to Iran, to Syria. Someday let's not be saying: If only we had listened to George W. Bush and Dick Cheney."

The comments attributed to Borah have circulated the Web and become something of a rallying cry on the right it appears

Apparently, Rumsfeld also invoked this prior to 2006: "As James Taranto notes in his indispensable 'Best of the Web Today' column, the only American politician Rumsfeld mentioned was the late Sen. William Borah, who upon hearing of Hitler's 1939 invasion of Poland sighed: 'Lord, if only I could have talked with Hitler, all this might have been avoided.' Borah was a Republican isolationist, so perhaps we can understand the aforementioned Democrats' indignation. As I say, they are exceptionally touchy."

A commenter on one blog wants to start "the William Edgar Borah Award. It’s named after the Idaho Senator who upon hearing that Hitler had invaded Poland said “Lord, if I could only have talked with Hitler, all this might have been avoided.” I think I’ll use his statue at the Capitol as a model."

A line in the sand?
Otherwise, the theme of President Bush's day in Israel can be summed up as tyranny and oppression. He began the day at Masada, the ancient Negev Desert fortress where, facing defeat by the Romans in the early First Century, a group of nearly 1,000 Jewish rebels chose suicide over living as slaves. Later, at the Knesset, he spoke of combating what he called modern-day tyrants--Hamas, Hezbollah, Osama bin Laden and Mahmoud Ahmedinejad.

"Citizens of Israel," he declared, "Masada shall never fall again, and America will be at your side."

He gave Israel the green light on Iran, giving them moral justification: "America stands with you in firmly opposing Iran's nuclear weapons ambitions. Permitting the world's leading sponsor of terror to possess the world's deadliest weapons would be an unforgivable betrayal for future generations. For the sake of peace, the world must not allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon."

But he also gave ammunition to Arab and Palestinian critics who say he is not an honest broker in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. First, he quoted Jeremiah's Biblical claim that God gave the Jews the land from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea, including the West Bank and Gaza--Manifest Destiny with a Holy text.

The establishment of the state of Israel, he said, "was the redemption of an ancient promise given to Abraham and Moses and David: A homeland for the chosen people--Eretz Yisrael."

Palestinians would also be angered by his declaration: "We consider it a source of shame that the United Nations routinely passes more human rights resolutions against the freest democracy in the Middle East than any other national in world."

Those resolutions are in response to Israeli treatment of Palestinians.

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Young Democrat (Sent Thursday, May 15, 2008 9:22 AM)

Thank you for your enlightening post!  

Also - to those of you who think HRC is being slammed in the media...
Just before all the primaries started, the media was picking the race as HRC vs. GUILIANI.  Look it up.  "Morning Joe" had recently started and he, Pat, and the other panelists thought that was the pick.  I remember because I felt sick that those would be our choices.

HRC did this to herself.  The press goes where the story is, which is no longer the Clintons.

As "Sick" always posts - Integrity matters, and the Clintons have NONE.
It would be so nice to have a governmental adminstration that isn't filled with crooks and liars.

Conservatives are so loyal. If Bush has managed to alienate THEM, he must be the king of all sycophants.

Obama '08. No more liars!
Maybe we shouldn't have talked to Saddam more, but we certainly should have talked with United Nations more.  We hardly tried all of the diplomatic solutions and ways to pressure Saddam to allow inspections for WMD.  I teach international students, and I have never been more embarrassed than when the U.S. government thumbed its nose at the rest of the world and invaded Iraq without provocation.  Bush has brought us into this situation, and he has no business making fun of those who were actually against the Iraqui war.  What gall.
Ohhhhh my Gawd!
Bush is saying that foreign policy, land rights and borders should be determined by the old testament of the bible!!!!
Reason help us all. I knew our country was being run by a religious fanatic and now the evidence is plain for all to see. We have our own Ayatollah in Bush and our own Hezbollah in the Republican party.
Ma, “.. But the Emperor has no clothes !”

Judging from Mr Bush’s comments in Israel, he has no desire for peace in the Middle East.

Making a statement that Israel deserves to be there because God promised that Land to the Jews is no reason for Israel to be there.  Mr Bush failed to mention that God also told Aaron, several times,  to go across the Jordan river and put everybody to the sword! Think about it, how many people have been killed by the Israelis to get the so called “promised land”?. Did God really intend to have people killed because the Jews were his chosen people and everybody else is dispensable? Arrogance anybody?

Anybody could make the argument that while in the desert, when he was without food and water (just like Jesus was, and if we remember, Jesus saw the devil) Abraham hallucinated and thought that God promised the land on the other side of the Jordan.

We are all laughing in the West about the Muslims belief that God told whomever, that they will get 40 virgins if they die as a martyrs! If God told them that, they can also argue that God is also elling them to kick the infidels out also!  To use God as an excuse to kill and steal is delusional and self serving.

The fact is, that because of what Abraham said, the Israelis have been killing for that land since Moses died. They have been displaced countless times and have tried to go back countless more times.

They finally got their land back, when the British, after bombing attacks from the Zionists (see, the Zionists are the fathers of modern terrorism), left Palestine and through the POLITICS OF APPEASEMENT gave Palestine to the Zioninst. That is how Israel was created: through blood.

The Palestinians in turn have been fighting to regain what is theirs.

Israel and the Palestinian issue is now the root of most of  the problems in the Middle East. If the Palestinians had been properly compensated for what they lost, we most probably would not have these problems. For all the cynics out there, who would compare my comment with the late Borah, I only say: look at how we dealt with the US Indians. We killed most of them and took their land. However we gave them their reservations, compensated them and gave them tax free casinos. Have you heard the Indians throwing rockets or knocking on your door to take your house? The guys are not complaining BECAUSE THEY GOT COMPENSATED!.

On the Palestinian side, the Israelis took their land, put them in a cage in Gaza and as Mr Ben Gurion would write to his son: “...the old would die and the young will forget”. How arrogant! And with US help at the rate of 4 billion dollars per year and the most advanced weaponry, they keep hoping that the young will forget!

The question is now that the West (funny it has always been the West creating problems in this part of the world, starting with the crusades to kill Muslims and take Jerusalem; in those days they were the infidels, today they are terrorists) has created this mess is what do we do?

You cannot take the Israelis out and throw them to the sea and you cannot anihilate the Palestinians by putting everybody to the sword” like the Bible instructed Aaron!   This, in our enlightened modern society would be called genocide which is a no-no since Hitle'rs time

At the same time, a just solution must be found for the Palestinians. I suggest that the West should take our example and do what the US did to the Indians here. We put them in reservations where they have their own rights and be compensated for their homes and land taken from them by force.

Israel should pay for what they took from the Palestinians. They should pay out of the 4 Billion dollars a year that we give them. If Mr Bush is really interested in peace, this is what Mr Bush should be focusing on; how to compensate the Palestinians and solve the problem. Be a fair Judge!

The Palestinian issue must be resolved now, through appropriate steps. To say that the Palestinians are terrorists and are not interested in peace is non-sense. The rockets they keep firing is out of frustration. If somebody comes and steals my property, fences me in a cage and the Government looks the other way,  I would do exactly that, if not more.
If Mr Bush was interested in peace in the middle east, he should be pressing Israel to compensate the Palestinians for what they lost and one would see more concessions coming out of Israel.

Quite the contrary, not only there are no concessions coming out of Israel but Israel is building more and more housing on the disputed territories. Meanwhile we, the taxpayers are sending foreign aid (4 billion dollars per year!)  to a country, which as many commentators have said, has a standard of living equal to many European countries!  Meanwhile, the Palestinian problem stays in effervescence.

Mr. Bush is clearly not interested in peace. After observing how much non-sense is coming out of his mouth on this trip one can only wonder. Does our president have any brains at all? The answer is, Of Course! One does not get to be President of the most powerful nation in the world by being a lame brain! There must be another reason then.

How many US President have visited Israel twice in 6 months? None. How many times have a US Secretary of State visited Israel 20 times in 6 months? Never. One could say that he is pressing on the peace with the Palestines issue. However, the facts and his rhetoric show that peace is the last thing in his mind.

If we remember that Ariel Sharon visited Bush seven times in 2001, just before the invasion of Iraq then the logical conclusion is that he is planning with Israel to attack Iran and all the nonsense he is saying is diversionary. Watch!

Mr Bush should be impeached and tried as a war criminal if he causes   the death of more innocent people. Let Israel attack Iran and bear the consequences. After all,  it is their promised land. They should pay for it. I guess God did not mean to hand it to them in a silver platter. They have 50 atomic bombs, the most advanced weaponry in the ME and $4 billion dollars of our tax dollars per year!  They can do it alone and it is basically a dejavus of Biblical times.

One thing is for sure, we should not keep losing our soldiers blood to “keep Israel safe”!
So...a non-existent god promises a patch of land to a group of Israelites, and Bush, in accordance with his own religiosity, panders to this false premise underlying and falsely justifying the State of Israel.
Whoever the next president may be, I expect that he or she keep his or her religiosity to him or herself, and keep his or her words and deeds as secular as the office of the President of the US was intended to be, in accordance with the secular Constitution upon which this country was founded. Neither Bush nor any citizen appointed or elected to a governmental position has any valid business using the powers of the government to promote, sanction, endorse, or enforce any religious beliefs. Republicans are religionists and statists who lean to the right. Obama (a Marxist), Hillary, and Democrats in general are statists who lean to the left. Members of neither party are unfit for the office of the President because, philosophically, they stand for the complete opposite of the political philosophy upon which this country was founded. A modern day Thomas Jefferson or James Madison for President !
Bush never mentioned any Democrat by name! However if Obama is so sensitive then he better start to suck it up. Believe it or not the liberal biased main stream media have given B.O. a free pass for months while they tried to destroy the Clinton "entitlement to presidency campaign". Agreed, Bush has been disappointing in recent years but don't forget Reagan brought confidence after the Carter "appeasement years" & Bill Clinton "lost" Bin Laden in the 90's.
Somebody mentioned fearmongering! Saying McCain is 4 more years of Bush, isn't that fearmongering. Somebody also mentioned we have a "Nazi" government. Well, if they kick down your door in the middle of the night and drag away your aged, or infirm, or retarded, or ethnically incorrect; and if your teenager goes to scouts or brownies and returns as well tuned military machine who spies on his parents; and if you disagree with your gov't(like we are here)and mysteriously disappear;and if you read or listen to anything other than gov't sanctioned material and end up in prison or labor camp; and if you dig a mass grave then stand next to it and the last thing you hear is the click of a trigger,then we may well have a "Nazi" government. Or is that fearmongering?


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