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The battle over the GI Bill

Posted: Thursday, May 15, 2008 11:15 AM by Mark Murray
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From NBC's Ken Strickland and NBC/NJ's Carrie Dann
McCain found himself on the losing end of a fight on Senate floor yesterday -- a fight he wasn't even there for. In a long distance face-off between a campaigning McCain and fellow Vietnam war vet Sen. Jim Webb, the issue was who best crafted a new GI bill that would pay for veterans to go to college. McCain's version, backed by the White House, was killed on the Senate floor. 

McCain's defeat came not only at the hands of Democrats, but by the hands of six of his Republican colleagues -- among them war veterans John Warner and Chuck Hagel. Those Republicans and a few others had previously signed on as co-sponsors to Webb's measure. 

In the simplest terms, the Webb bill would effectively pay for tuition and housing at a four-year public college for those serving at least three years of active duty. The McCain measure isn't as generous, as it increases existing education benefits by $400 a month for the same time served: from $1,100 to $1,500.

Democrats accused McCain, and his chief ally Sen. Lindsey Graham, of acting in bad faith by forcing a vote while a compromise bill was being sought. "I think this was an irresponsible act," Webb said after learning Republicans had attached the provision on an unrelated bill on the floor. "There was some wording in a letter that I received a couple of days ago from Senator McCain saying that they ... wanted to work with us to bring a bipartisan bill."

Sen. Dick Durbin, the No.2 Senate Democrat, said it was about the presidential campaign.  "He's trying to bring his version of the GI Bill to a vote on the Senate floor, so that he can say that he at least tried -- or at least those who vote his way have some cover," Durbin said.

McCain's supporters shot back. Republican Judd Gregg said it was "public knowledge" the Democrats were planning to block McCain and Graham from offering their bill. "The only way, the only way that Sen. Graham could protect his rights was to bring the amendment forward at this time."  

Another difference between the two bills concerns active personnel being able to transfer their educational benefits to their spouse or children. McCain's bill allows 50% of those benefits to be transferred after six years of service; 100% after 12 years. 

Webb called transferability "an unproven concept" that's been around for decades. "There has been a pilot program available in current law since [2001] for the United States military to test the transferability program if the service secretaries decided that they wanted to try it," he said. "They haven't really tried it."

The Administration sided with McCain, arguing benefits that were too generous and too early in active duty service would hurt reenlistments -- and would lure service members off of military bases and onto college campuses. "My job is to get people to stay in the military, not only to join, but to stay as well," McCain said from the campaign trail in Ohio Wednesday.

In a letter to McCain last month voicing support, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said, "Transferability supports military families, thereby enhancing retention." Gates added, "Any enhancement of the education benefit, whether used in service or after retirement, must serve to enhance recruiting and not undercut retention."

The GI Bill will likely come before the Senate next week as part of an emergency war-funding bill. From the road, McCain still held out hope a deal could be brokered. "We have written to Sen. Webb and said we wanted to sit down and negotiate," he said, "and he has agreed to do that. I'm sure that we can sit down and work out these differences."

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Man it's beautiful watching John McCain try to govern! "My job is to get people to stay in the military." One must have to be quite senile to utter that with one breath, and talk about an extended presence in the Middle East with the next. This man is no maverick, folks, he's a right-wing patsy with no ideas of his own, because he's forgotten them all. I truly hope America sees through this man and defines him for the fraud and the Bush rubberstamp that he really is.
The GI Bill will likely come before the Senate next week as part of an emergency war-funding bill. From the road, McCain still held out hope a deal could be brokered. "We have written to Sen. Webb and said we wanted to sit down and negotiate," he said, "and he has agreed to do that. I'm sure that we can sit down and work out these differences."

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If only, McSame, we could get you to spend a little time in Washington, DC.
John McCain just lost the election. Now he can't hide behind his military service anymore as an example of his leadership skills.

Additionally, Jim Webb's profile in the Democratic Party is about to skyrocket.
I would like to thank Kieth Olberman for throwing a little perspective back into my thinking. Last night Kieth devoted the last part of countdown responding to GW's statement that he gave up golf in honor of our brave soldiers in Iraq. Kieth delivered a response directly to Bush that left my wife and I speechless for the rest of the evening. He reminded me what this horrible administration has done to our country and our brave soldiers defending it with no remorse. At this point I really don't care which Dem goes to the GE. Clinton, Obama, Biden, Edwards, The guy down the street with the "no war in Iraq" t-shirt. Somebody, Anybody please help us. Please stop this war. I don't care if gas is 10 dollars a gallon. I don't care if I don't retire with a social security check. I don't care if my job is outsourced to India. All I care about today is that one more life not be taken or destroyed in a country we should never ever have tread on. I suggest that everyone here on the first read forum take a moment and try to watch it. It is posted in the video section today.
McCain, McSame, McFake.  It all comes to the same thing.
Way to go Jim Webb! Take McFossil to task on EVERYTHING he tries to do. YOU may be asked to be VP on the Democratic ticket and this bill would be great for our military boys and girls.
I'm so glad to see McCain's suggestion thoroughly knocked down. I can't understand why ANYONE would not back the new GI bill!!!

Or maybe, it is because I am the very proud mother of a Marine, who just got out after serving three tours in three years and is now in inactive status.
Im waiting for someone to say that they are a vet and will never support Obama because he doesn't know anything.  Which, is false.  The GI BILL is something great for our young men serving.  And John McLame opposes it.  Why can't people see that.  But so many people will stay so very closed-minded.  And yes, Big ups to Keith O.
" Once Obama supporters stop rejoicing that they got Edwards backing(but not the Mrs.) they should really look into how Obama played this out and with an unbiased view (I know its hard for them to do) analyze this strategy."
--KD

When he says the old politics he means the agenda in Washington.  The agenda that has the voices of the special interest drown out those of the "American" people.  So if a win is a win why should the W. VA primary win be treated like a SuperBowl.  He should let her get the headlines for the next two weeks?  Although the media wouldnt and shouldnt do that.  Yah! That sounds brilliant.  Yes, I am impressed with the win.  But once she says its, "All about delegates" or "Its all about the popular vote" or "the Supers have to decided this" or "A win is a win" than a 40 point wallop is a Win. I start to tune her out. Obama won Alaska with their 1000 person electorate by 50 points but its simply a win.  W VA isn't a game changer, and maybe it just affirmed to you that she is a well recognized candidate but Believe me KD, HRC has long forgot about most of the people of W. VA after her win. I mean shoot, I'm taking maymester classes here at Purdue and we are treating her win like its Grand Prix week here! NOT.  Get real. But if her 40 point win is a "life" changer to you more power to you.  Maybe if you would have scored 40 points higher on standardized test in high school and college we wouldn't be having this foolish argument.
Obama/Hagel '08

Chuck can bring the change, the balance and the unity to the Ticket. And he's on the right side of this and other issues that independents and disappointed Republicans believe in.
Since so many in the media and so many of the Obama supporters don't believe the polls that show how many of the Clinton supporters will not vote for Obama if he is the nominee, I encourage everyone that will not vote for Obama to spend less time writing comments on First Read and use that time to write a letter to Obama and tell him that you will never vote for him and why and send copies of the letter to all the major news organizations via mail or email.

Obama's campaign headquarters address is:

Senator Barack Obama
Obama for America
P.O. Box 8102
Chicago, IL 60680

Use your time to let everyone know that all of Hillary Clinton’s supporters, all 17 million of them, do not appreciate the many, many months of continuous attacks and insults from the rude and arrogant Obama supporters on Senator Clinton and her supporters and that as a result, no amount of campaigning on Obama’s part or any amount of time will undo the damage that his supporters have done.
I can't wait for the day when the likes of Lindsay Graham are gone for good. As well as the rest of the mean spirited cold-hearted jerks that are in Congress.

Plenty of money for war. Little money for vets, or education, or anything.

I cannot wait. I feel like we've all been living in some sort of hell forever.

Jim Webb is like a breath of fresh air after years and years of so called compassionate conservatives.

Bottom line: The compassion went to the rich and to the war profiteers. No one else.

It should never be forgotten that McCain's objection to this GI Bill seems to be he'd rather keep these guys in Iraq than help them go to college. His words: if we help them go to college, they might just go. And in context, that was clearly meant as a negative.

As a veteran, I find the comment to be reprehensible.
hey mccant supports the troops at least until they need something like up armored vehicles and help for wounds and health benefits and and job training and education benefits but other than that he supports them.
Well, if this is Obama's party, then I guess it aint mine anymore.
32 years I have belonged to the Democratic Party. I've never voted Republican in any national election.
But I'm going to do it this time if he's the nominee.
Wanna' know why?
Because the media, and the party treated Hillary like filth for no good reason other than to promote their newly created golden boy.
Because, the Obama people used race and race baiting as an issue where it didn't exist.
Because, Obama has 3 years in the U.S. Senate and isn't qualified to be President.
Because, Barack Obama associates with domestic terrorists like William Ayers, indicted political racketeers like Tony Rezko, and bigoted cult leaders like Jeremiah Wright.....THEN turns around and refuses to recognize the American flag AND says he'll negotiate with terrorists and communists UNCONDITIONALLY. And the media treats this like its not an issue. UNBELIEVABLE!
Because my party has left me and is about to nominate the most liberal-leftist-socialistic moron it could possibly find. Someone who'll set the party back another 10 years when he gets his ass kicked in November.
I would urge EACH and EVERY Hillary supporter to show your disgust and disdain with the Democratic Party, and with the media (including the three JERKS who run this website) by voting AGAINST Obama in the fall.
Time for a change indeed....it's time for Blue Dogs to tell the media and the independent whackos who are trying to take over our party to go straight to hell!
Sick & Tired of LIES and CORRUPTION, Sick & Tired of Obama (Sent Thursday, May 15, 2008 9:42 AM)

J. Merle Stanley, your attitude towards Barack is typical of Hillary & some of her supporter's. "Shame on You Barack Obama" for telling the Truth about her support of NAFTA in Ohio is just 1 example of the condescending attitude from her. It is You who is Bitter & a sore loser because America saw thru her Lies & race baiting & decided to send her packing back to Your beloved New York. The voter's of that state will havta decide if she Deserves another term as Senator( my guess is NO).Hopefully you can learn how to take Losing a little better in the Future.

You No longer havta hide under false names on here, your Bitterness has shown thru clearly, but it matter's only to YOU. Thank You for Your service in the Military. Maybe You & Van can now hookup & reminese about Hillary being Soundly defeated, when she had Everything working in her Power.

Wow, how the Mighty have fallen.
McSame is scared America will have too many educated young people?

I bet the military grows because more people will want the education.

And many will become career soldiers and stay because they love it.

Veterans deserve more.
Educated and skilled veterans returning from war would mean devastation for this country.  We have far too many unemployed regular citizens to have to have ex-soldiers in the workforce.  I'm with McCain on this one.  We already let them die for this country, now you want us to help them transition into a life they fought to protect?  Lunacy!
Typical republican.. don't want anyone to get ahead but them.. Just throwing us little people a little bone.. I was in the military for 8 years and for the sacrifice you have to make for your country, a four year college degree and housing is a great gift for all the sacrifices military men and women make.. You have to sacrifice your family and life at the drop of a hat.. and this clown mccain wants to increase the GI BILL by a meager $400 a month, even though the oil companies are making record profits from the blood shed by the military because we are in the war in IRAQ for OIL.. How can you hillary supporters vote for McCain.. but I guess just like the gas tax holiday, you probably think a $400 increase to the GI bill is a great thing..  

IGNORANCE is a sad sad thing!!!!
I live in SC and I am truly ashamed to have Sen. Lindsey Graham representing me and my state. I truly wish that the Democratic party would put someone up against him this cycle to finally get rid of Graham. He has done nothing for the state of SC but help further a failed Republican agenda.

http://www.politivine.com
I just read the McCain article "U.S. can win Iraq War in four years".

How shameful and disgraceful this man has become.  He does not define what a win is - only that he is going to re-invent the wheel.  He truly is the Manchurian Candidate.  
Bravo Keith Olbermann!!! You coalesced into 5 minutes what 7 1/2 years of Bush Imperialism has done to this country and its image abroad.  My blood boils just wondering why in the hell nobody in Congress has the cajones to impeach Bush & Cheney.
Mark,Seattle

Right on!!  I saw it too.  He voiced the outrage so many of us feel.  No wonder the Republicans are losing seats.  They are really "Operation Chaos".
How sad for this country that so many brave men and women are fighting for and have died to protect and serve!  We owe these brave people an insurmountable debt, one that can never be repaid but Webb’s GI Bill is a good start – shame on you McCain!

What is McCain thinking?
Start getting used to Pres. McCain should Obama be the dem nominee.

Thanks Obamabots!
Well, not to be the bearer of bad news, but it's true. You would annihilate reenlistments with a bill like that one. And I'm not saying that you have to keep people in the military if they don't want to be, I'm suggesting this: morale is far worse when too many people join the military for the wrong reasons. If you dish out a full ride for three years active duty, you will have people from all over the spectrum coming to get what they think is free money.

What happens then? "What? I didn't know I'd have to go to war!!!!" Have you ever had the dishonor of talking to a soldier whose morale is low because he only joined to get "free money" and ended up deployed? It's pathetic. And it's NOT the way to build a legitimate fighting force.

History will show time and TIME AGAIN, the same reason insurgency works so well: soldiers who fight for what they believe in are infinitely more useful than those who are just along for the ride.

So that's my rule of thumb. You want to go to college, fantastic. You want to serve our nation, fantastic. But don't use the defense of this country ONLY as a commitment of convenience. Sorry if it sounds "holier than thou" but I've done this for many years and I know the difference between one soldier and the other.

Also, from a numbers perspective, a $400 increase per month is very generous, because the reality is quite a lot of service members leaving the military aren't going to be attending schools that cost more than that. It's not "mean" it's just a fact.


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