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House votes on war-spending bill

Posted: Thursday, May 15, 2008 3:11 PM by Domenico Montanaro
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From NBC's Mike Viqueira
The House has debated and is now voting on another war-spending bill that would give the president all he wants, and them some, for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

But the bill would also set a goal of removing all troops from combat operations within 18 months. That, of course, has been and remains a non-starter with House Republicans and the president.

A third portion of the bill would fund the new GI Bill and extend unemployment benefits. Republican leadership opposes putting these measures on a war-funding bill.

Under the tortured procedures put forward by Democratic leaders for the bill , each of these provisions will get a separate vote. It will be interesting to see, in the wake of GOP electoral losses and subsequent recriminations, how many Republicans jump ship on the third portion of the bill and vote with Democrats.

Liberals in the House, including the speaker, are expected to vote against the war funding and for the withdrawal goal. Vice versa for conservative. Yet at the end of the day all three sections are expected to pass this afternoon.

The bill allocates an extra $66 billion to cover expenses into the first several months of a new administration. Doing it this way means that first, Democrats won't have to deal with it again before the elections. Second, it would give the new president a few months to develop and implement a new policy, one they hope will include a redeployment.

The Senate has a similar bill in committee today. Final congressional passage of a war-spending bill is now looking like it will occur after the Memorial Day recess (May 23 to June 3). Democratic leaders say that despite administration warnings to the contrary, the Pentagon has all the money it needs to keep operations going into July.

*** UPDATE *** Turmoil in the House now as conservatives upset about the process have voted down war funding.

Democrats had brought this measure to the floor after bypassing the committee process and under rules that shut republicans out of the opportunity to offer amendments.

Republicans have raised hell all day, and to register their displeasure they decided to vote "present". That, coupled with liberal votes against the funding (around $165 billlion to last into next year), they have taken the risky step of killing war funding.

When the gavel came down Democrats in the chamber cheered, "No More War!" But it isn't likely to work out that way, because in the end it's hard to see how Democrats will not be compelled to put something forward that funds the troops, for all of the same reasons that they have been forced to do so for the last 18 months since  taking over.

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Great, more gridlock in the Senate. Our elected officials hard at work I see.

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You'll Democrats talk to yourselves so much that you miss the train wreck coming down the track
Since 2003, when the war began, what has been accomplished?  Oh, I forgot, Hussein was caught and executed....

I thought the purpose of the war was to get Osama Bin Laden in the first place..maybe I'm wrong.

Bring OUR soldiers home, we've lost too many already!  This was not our war to begin with and we should have never been there in the first place.  My heart goes out to the families of our soldiers, fighting and risking their lives in such an unnecessary war.  God bless all of you.  Be strong, Obama will bring them home.
The will of the people is a non-started with Republicans?  And they wonder why they're getting their a$$es handed to them!  No amount of re-imaging can fix this!
It will be interesting to see, in the wake of GOP electoral losses and subsequent recriminations, how many Republicans jump ship on the third portion of the bill and vote with Democrats.
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Jumping ship right now won't save your seats in November! You've had 7 LONG years to put Bush in his place and you refused to do it, so don't be surprised when you have to acknowledge President Barack Obama. The GOP is getting what it rightly deserves! Go Obama '08!
I know this isn't quite on-topic, but this idea that Congress gets to go on holiday over Memorial Day is ridiculous. Do our troops get a ten-day holiday over Memorial Day?
The bill allocates an extra $66 billion to cover expenses into the first several months of a new administration!!!!

WOW,  That is alot of money. I wonder how this money will be spent!!  

There are alot of poor people in the U.S that can benefit from 66 Billion!  WOW..


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It is so nice to see a busy congress getting good legislation passed, such a stark contrast to the republican do nothing congresses of the past dozen eyars or more.  Now to see if "Lame Duck" Bush has the gall to veto them and seal the repugnant one's party's fate of defeat in November.

Go Obama 08/12!
Obama is right about talking to adversaries.

Persuasion is not the only potential benefit from talking with adversaries. Sometimes valuable information and perception can be gained, including critical insight into adversaries' intentions. A skilled person can read between the lines when lied to. Has our intelligence never failed us?
I am getting so sick and tired of seeing "Facist" Bush talking about his appeasement message.  We only have the fools who voted for "NeoNazi" Bush for appeasing those who would steal our democracy away from us.

"NeoNazis" Bush and McCain are the true enemy of democracy and only when we send them packing with their tails between their legs will we get our freedom and rights back.

Go Obama 08/12!

Go Obama 08/12!
I salute the courts in my fine state of California for standing up for citizen's rights by overturning that garbage same sex marriage ban.  I'm sick and tired of the evangelical lunatic fringe telling us how to run our democracy by stealing the rights of our citizens away from us.

I'm a heterosexual but I understand that not all people have the same propensities.  Homosexuality has been with humanity for millenia and a bunch of ignorant religious fanatics aren't going to make it go away no matter how hard they try.

My oldest teen Granddaughter is interested in other girls and I don't berate her at all for her decision.  As far as I'm concerned she's practicing safe sex because girls do not get girls pregnant.  When she starts going boy crazy then I'll start to worry.

Go Obama 08/12!
Dialog with our enemies, you know we use to do that once upon a time in this country.
When we competent leadership in the White House.  Do you remember when?

FDR talked to Russia - Murderess Dictator Stalin to defeat Hitler
Kennedy talked to - Nikita S. Khrushchev removing missile bases from Cuba
Nixon talked to China – Communist threat, to end the war in Vietnam
Regan talked to the USSR – Evil Empire that wanted to bury our children.

Diplomacy, diplomacy you see it is always cheaper to talk first before you bomb and lay waste to our enemies.  Just think we may have been able to save over 4000 American lives in Iraq, and saved 12 billion a month if we kept talking.

We can not force our ideology on other countries beliefs; it has been proven trough out history!  If you want to use nukes or gasoline fire bombs and wipe out most of the population like we did in Germany and Japan it may have worked then, but now the rest of the world would think we are insane!

The one thing about Saddam Hussein he took no SHITT from any of these people that are controlling Iraq now!  Yes he was a nasty dictator that used the chemical weapons that the US gave him back in the 80’s to kill Kurdish threats and Iranian Solders. You see Saddam Hussein seen these people as threats to has regime and government, he knew how to handle these people.  Further, Iran was scared to death of him and did not dare to step foot Iraq.  We could have used Saddam Hussein as a puppet if we were smart!  We could have paid him to do our dirty work with Al Qaeda and Iran like we did in 80’s when Regan was president.  Bush does not know how to think on that level he is to arrogant and stupid to know he had everything going for him after 9/11.

You see by keeping Saddam Hussein in power until we got off of fossil fuels would have been the smart and prudent thing to do.  We could have positioned ourselves to deal with him on another level at a different time.  Bush just made the most bone-headed foreign policy mistake in our countries history hopefully the next president can get us out of this mess.

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I know that this is off topic but I just have to say that I really understand why I don't care for the clintons anymore...

I am happy to say that it is not because I don't like their supporters, because I was one of them.

But now when I hear the clintons speak I have to always ask myself... are they lying? are they genuine? are those real tears?  why does hillary clinton always ask for donations when she is in front of a tv camera.. we know that your web address is www.hillaryclinton.com.. it is like why are you continually asking me for money EVERY opportunity you get.. THAT IS SCARY!! They are MILLIONAIRES and begging for money like the millions of people on the corners with the signs.. I mean how can you say (coming out of the candidates mouth) you represent the WORKING CLASS AMERICAN making under 50k a year, but always asking the same STRUGGLING people for money EVERY CHANCE you get?  Please explain to me how IN TOUCH you are with the "Poor" people of this country.. and it just bothers me that your supporters appear to be fine with this message so blindly..

Correct me if I am wrong but Barack Obama and John McCain for that matter has NOT publicly and tirelessly requested people donate to her campaign..
I'm still laughing about what "Psychic Reader" McCain says he saw in his crystal ball of republican dung.  It's obvious the he's delusional and "Traitor" Joe Lieberman wasn't around to whisper reality in his ear.

"Hallucination" McCain just makes this race funnier and funnier as he keeps spouting his ignorant pandering nonsense.  Only the most ignorant of our citizens will take his hallucinating flights of fancy as being believable.

Go Obama 08/12!
Now to see if the Democrats can push this good legislation past "NeoNazi" Bush even if he vetoes it.  I suggest the Dems pass the legislation and then tell "Warmonger" Bush that this is the only war spending bill he's going to see until he leaves office so if he vetoes it he had better start pulling our troops out now before he exceeds the spending limits already in place.

Go Obama 08/12!
I hate to say I agree with anything Bush says, but I'm not sure I agree with the farm bill that's just been passed.  Is it really true that couples who make less than 1.5 million dollars will be eligible for farm subsidies?  I am really tired of hard earned tax dollars going to the rich.  And then we hear them all complaining about helping people who might lose their homes.  (And I can guarantee you most of them aren't making anywhere near 1.5 million!)  Is government ever going to change?  Sigh.  I would really like to see all of Congress get voted out and we just start fresh.  We really do need time limits on them I think.  Or better yet, how about the American public gets to vote whether the person in congress deserves a pension with benefits, or not, according to what they did while in congress?  That might stop them from catering to the few wealthy in this country.
This is so hard to decide because if you do withhold money our Boys and Girls over there fighting the war maybe hurt by it. I for one would hate to see that happen. I will be glad to see them all come home out of harms way.
House Republicans just rejected the 163B funding - Part 1 of the bill - to protest Democratic tactics used in the bill.  However, parts 2 and 3, the brainchild of the Democrats passed.  So the Republican platform now is to shoot themselves in the foot?  Part 1 was the only part of the bill they were fighting for!  Hmmm....we'll just have to wait for further explanation, but this seems odd to me.
You know what I find so funny is that while both sides are slinging mud at one another, it always amazes me how people are fine slinging mud but when the mud hits them in the face.. they just become a victim and are so insulted and can't understand how people respond to them in a certain way.. I mean give me a break.. Don't be bad and then try to hide when someone retaliates in a way that makes you (the person that started it)uncomfortable..


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