So if Hamas endorsed Obama,
doesn't this video mean that McCain endorsed Hamas?

flip-flop, flip-flop

Everyone aboard the Double Talk Express!!

Bush, who's led our country into the worst economic recession in recent history, who fueled the flames of muslim terrorists by invading their country, who made us less safe by ignoring Afganistan--has the nerve to critisize anyone!  As a Jew, I'm offended by Bush's pandering and false accusations.  But, I thank you GW, because there is noting like a word from you that unites eveyone else!  What a fool!  Thank God you're out of there and I call on all Jews to vote democratic.  Get rid of Bush and McBush~!

McFlipFlop--you are a shell of the man you were 8 years ago.  

Do I hear a FLIP FLOP !

Hmm, Senator Obama's stance toward Hamas is exactly the same as Senator McCain's AND Senator McCain KNOWS this.  I smell a strong scent of mendacity coming off the campaign of Senator McCain.  The Straight Talk Express was left behind, out of gas and broken down, back in 2000.

Flip Flop Flip Flop Flip Flop Flip Flop, I'm John McCain and I'm confused about this message.

"Wrongway" McCain's Double Talk Express has lost it's bearings and is heading over the cliff.  Keep on talking "Bush Hugger" McCain as you only dig your grave deeper with each word.

What a laugh that "Flip Flop" McCain is consistent on anything except being a double talking panderer who'll change his opinion based upon the polls telling him what's popular that day.

Go Obama 08/12!

I wonder if John McCain considers lying honorable.

It appears that all that remains of the man he once was is this hollow shell of a human. I am sick of stupid liars. If you're not going to tell the truth, at least don't contradict yourself.

McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds responds: “There should be no confusion, John McCain has always believed that serious engagement would require mandatory conditions and Hamas must change itself fundamentally -- renounce violence, abandon its goal of eradicating Israel and accept a two state solution. John McCain’s position is clear and has always been clear, the President of the United States should not unconditionally meet with leaders of Iran, Hamas or Hezbollah. Barack Obama has made his position equally clear, and has pledged to meet unconditionally with Iran’s leader Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the leaders of other rogue regimes, which shows incredibly dangerous and weak judgment.”

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Funny...Senator Obama has stated the same position on Hamas and Hezbollah.

As for Iran, like it or not, Ahmedinejad is the leader of the country.  You've tried ignoring him.  How is that working so far?

You might actually have to talk to him...and no, meeting with him and negotiating with him are not the same thing.

I don't listen to anything McCain/Bush says these days. The Republicans have made themselves irrelevant, not just by their actions, but by all the b-s they have sprayed the public with these last eight years. I could forgive an "error" or two, but not the false arguments, smear tactics, and outright lies they have told the public all this time to justify their "errors."

If it should be so clear that McBush would demand conditions be in place, then why is he comfortable distorting Obama's position (He said there would obviously be conditions met before he would agree to meeting with foreign leaders).

McSame is the only one on record saying we will meet with HAMAS.  The only one saying he'll meet with HAMAS.  He was the only person to be quoted as saying:

"They're the government; sooner or later we are going to have to deal with them, one way or another,"

So I ask who is dangerous for America?  The pro-war hothead senial old cook or the guy who says he will protect America and restore her reputation in the world by putting our best foot forward?

I know who I would choose.

I am a MODERATE, but I just can't take the idea of the MOST LIBERAL Senator becoming president. Obama sounds too much like a Carter Presidency, and I am old enough to remember that hell. Bye bye Democratic Party. My family will now register Independent and vote with our heads in November. Hopefully a good Moderate Experienced Candidate will surface soon.  

Hillary Clinton would have made one hell of a great President. Too bad the media made the Clintons out to be racists so she lost the African American support. Too bad the media is SEXIST. Too bad the DNC could not even support this family that has given their entire lives to public service and to the Democratic Party, too bad the Dems Primary system is flawed and gives caucus states so much control where only 2-3% of the population gets their votes counted, and too bad Democratic voters could not have supported this family that has given us the ONLY SUCCESSFUL DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENCY OVER THE LAST SEVERAL DECADES ... changing huge deficit to surplus and adding 22 million new jobs. It's really too bad, she's such a bright, intelligent, hard-working person.

Good luck in the fall DNC, you will need it BIG TIME!

Where else but in America can the DEMOCRATIC candidate who has WON CA, NY, TX, OH, PA, NH, and YES FL and not be our Democratic nominee??

Anyone else watch Hucka-wanna-bee on fox this morning talking about this (Know they enemy)? On MSNBC he acted like the unifier, but on Fox he was slamming democrats. Typical John (say anything) McCain supporter...

After Hucksters interview on Fox this morning, I lost all respect for the bible-thumping (Lets change the constitution) bonehead...

John McCain and his "Straight BS Express" has had yet another flip flop on a critical issue.
In order to get more press, he should offer to debate himself; there are enough flip flops to have two opposing issues represented in a two hour debate three days a week up until the election!. Tax cuts for the wealthy, 100 year war, now talking with Hamas. What's next? Oh right; all of his lobbyists in his campaign and on his staff with nefarious ties to totalitarian dictatorships and other detestable regimes, and his family making blood money off of the turmoil in Sudan.
We do not need anymore lying, flip flopping, hate mongering fear merchants like McCain and his neo con crowd. They have been responsible for the worst foreign policy blunder in this nation's history; Bush just continued the foreign policy nightmare in his speech yesterday.
This is Bush continued; America cannot afford this bankrupt policy of war mongering and profiteering to continue.

McCain is just trying to weasel out of his past statements. Here's the key exchange between McCain and Rubin from 2 years ago reported in James Rubin's Washington Post article that proves McCain is a liar and a hypocrite on Hamas:

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[Rubin] asked: "Do you think that American diplomats should be operating the way they have in the past, working with the Palestinian government if Hamas is now in charge?"

McCain answered: "They're the government; sooner or later we are going to have to deal with them, one way or another, and I understand why this administration and previous administrations had such antipathy towards Hamas because of their dedication to violence and the things that they not only espouse but practice, so . . . but it's a new reality in the Middle East. I think the lesson is people want security and a decent life and decent future, that they want democracy. Fatah was not giving them that."
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McCain said nothing about any preconditions for talking with Hamas. But now, since he needs to pander to the war-loving nutjobs that make up the Republican base, he's changed his tune. Back then he was much "softer" on Hamas than Obama is now. Obama has said he won't negotiate with Hamas period. McCain has shown repeatedly that he will tell any lie and perform any flip-flop necessary for him to sieze power. What he'd actually do if his nightmare presidency becomes a reality is anybody's guess. Probably McCain himself doesn't know, except he knows he wants to start more wars.

My God, I am no Jamie Rubin flag but on Morning Joe they showed the vdieo clip...Enough  of the Republican lies................Bush=McCain

I'm sure it's easy for McCain to find quotes to "prove" his position - whatever position he decides is the most politically convienient on any given day - because he has taken both sides of nearly every issue at different points.

Mcsame will say or do anything to be president...he derailed the straight talk express and got aboard the stray talk express of war, god and gays...70% of us hate this type of rightwingnut stuff

Old man yells at cloud

Let's be wise voters this time.....no more of the same.... reject McCain!

How can Clinton supporters go to McCain after this malarkey..?.

It's like jumping into the fire..from the pan...

Exposing this monster (McShame) is going to be easy.

McCain is a dead man walking.
His "maverick" stance has provided a number of internet-ready videos of his multiple positions on everything. If the Clinton attack machine goes to work on him on Obama's behalf, he has no chance, so I think the strategy is to get out in front early, which is why Bush broke precedent. The Republican PARTY does not understand Youtube.
The Republican VOTERS, on the other hand, are well aware of McCain's implausibility. That's really why there were so many crossovers; the Democratic Primaries WERE the battle for the Presidency.

"It took Obama 24 hours to come up with something substantive. God forbid he needs to think on his feet IF voted as the President.
Dan (Sent Friday, May 16, 2008 9:44 AM)"

I'm sorry...just WHERE did knee-jerk, ecocentric, shoot-from-the-hip, ride-'em-cowboy style leadership get us?  Oh, right - IN THE MESS WE ARE IN NOW.

Get a grip, Dan.  Why wouldn't you rather have someone who THINKS before he speaks as president?

BTW - Right on, Lisa from CT.  Dan from CA - post as much as you want.  

HRC's loss was NOT sexism - unless you think Mark Penn is sexist.  She had men running her campaign strategy - why don't you spout off at them?

Oh, and us "liberals" do have jobs, contrary to what that conservative moron who posted last night thinks.  Maybe the blog becomes more conservative at night because that when usually the guys in the black hats come out - the heroes are home with their families.  Jerk.

obama has been clear on his stanse as well, he has said he will not meet with hamas and other TERRORIST groups. now IRAN is not a terrorist group. it is a governing body, they have a president and free(yea right) elections. now,we negosiated with North Korea, about there program, why not ingage iran about there's. what wrong with talking to then to see what kind of help they need to either abandon there nuke program or help them develope a safe nuke energy program because the less we talk to more the situtation will get out of hand like it has so far.whats missing from this conforation is that russia needs to get involved with iran as well as china when it comes to North korea. lets face it folks, if something happens, iran or north korea drops a nuke on isreal or japan, the fall out from this will affect china and russia, not the united states. what odama has to do as soon as he takes office is call a world conference, have russia, china, iran and north korea there and TALK these problems out. lets find a way to defuse the talk that has been there since GWB took office. these problems were not there when regean was pres. or carter, or even GHB, because there was dialoge with the superpowers, where has this dialoge been the last 8 years. WHERE!!!!! so before every body starts to talk this crap about obama lets forget the last 8 years and look back in history and resume how things were done under past presidents, PAST PRESIDENTS TALKED TO THERE ADVERSARIES, NOT TALKED SHIT TO THEM.

PLEASE POST.  

McCain divorced his first wife on her proverbial sickbed (a la the GOP's Hypocrite in Chief, the despicable Newt Gingrich). What kind of supposed war hero divorces the woman who waited for him to return from the war, and concealed her own life-threatening car crash injuries for his benefit? McCain married his current millionaire heiress beer-distributor wife, 17 years his junior, one month after dumping Carol Shepp McCain, who, as Sen. McCain so gallantly put it, "was on crutches and had gained quite a bit of weight."

"In his book, The Nightingale's Song, Robert Timberg chronicled McCain's post-Vietnam military assignments and some of his "adulterous" behavior leading to his divorce from Carol and marriage to Cindy Hensley. "

"While Executive Officer and later as Squadron Commander McCain used his authority to arrange frequent flights that allowed him to carouse with subordinates and "engage in extra-marital affairs."  Such behavior was a violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice rules against adultery and fraternization with subordinates... "

You can read the whole sad story here.

http://www.usvetdsp.com/mcaindiv.htm

I don't know how any woman could vote for this two timer and still look in the mirror every morning.  

This time, instead of voting against abortion and gay marriage, and for prayer and guns (these issues will never go away) -- vote for your wallet , vote for the economy, vote for the environment, vote for jobs.

Vote Democratic 2008 -- don't let the corporations and their Republican stooges win again.  

obama has been clear on his stanse as well, he has said he will not meet with hamas and other TERRORIST groups. now IRAN is not a terrorist group. it is a governing body, they have a president and free(yea right) elections. now,we negosiated with North Korea, about there program, why not ingage iran about there's. what wrong with talking to then to see what kind of help they need to either abandon there nuke program or help them develope a safe nuke energy program because the less we talk to more the situtation will get out of hand like it has so far.whats missing from this conforation is that russia needs to get involved with iran as well as china when it comes to North korea. lets face it folks, if something happens, iran or north korea drops a nuke on isreal or japan, the fall out from this will affect china and russia, not the united states. what odama has to do as soon as he takes office is call a world conference, have russia, china, iran and north korea there and TALK these problems out. lets find a way to defuse the talk that has been there since GWB took office. these problems were not there when regean was pres. or carter, or even GHB, because there was dialoge with the superpowers, where has this dialoge been the last 8 years. WHERE!!!!! so before every body starts to talk this crap about obama lets forget the last 8 years and look back in history and resume how things were done under past presidents, PAST PRESIDENTS TALKED TO THERE ADVERSARIES, NOT TALKED SHIT TO THEM.

PLEASE POST.  

Old man yells at cloud

I guess McCain is a flip-flopper and/or a sr. moment ala Shia/Sunni. Keep shooting you mouth off McCain with your bogus straight talk express because Obama is going to take you to the cleaners in a debate and you will not have that sell out Senator from Conn. whispering in your ear with the correct answer.

It's obvious that the Obamaniacs don't know how to read. He specifically said thta Hamas would have to disavow violence (something that Barry Hussein Obama hasn't said about his direct talks with Squinty Ahmadinejad).

It is not unusual for politicians to change their positions, it is all part of the game.  Both parties play such game as long they can accomplish the ultimate prize of winning an election.  That is why we need a totally new party to confront the corruption of the current parties [Democrats and Republicans]

IDIOTS --- why do you people even bother to comment when you say nothing that means anything.  Every statement McCain made had conditions, whereas Obama clear stated there would be no pre-conditions

Did I hear someone say about Mccain's tax break for the middle class starting at $200,000 a year?

Here is a new thought and maybe an insight.
How will the republicans dump Senator McCain before their convention?
Or how long will the republicans put up with their candidate before someone jumps into the fray to try to rescue any hope of winning the white house?

Alzheimers...or  "This old man he said what  he said blah blah blah blah blah  with a nick nack paddy wack that's old john mccain  it's easy to see  perhaps he's insane"

Double talk? How can you be serious? I guess somehow, "Deal with them, one way or the other" magically translated to "Talk with them unconditionally."

Have you actually READ an Obama speech before? My old favorite is when he told an audience in Selma, AL that the civil rights marches that took place there were the reason his parents had the fortitude to defy racism and come together to have him. A huge big emotional appeal, and guess what? Barrack Obama, Born 1961. Selma, AL marches, 1965 .... ?????

But McCain is the double talker? Yeah, sure.

And for the record, Obama didn't say acts LIKE those, he referenced them precisely. AND if he DID use an analogy, it's in the same boat as comments like McCain's. But he didn't. He lied so he could get a standing ovation. We can't afford to have voters blind enough to vote Obama.

They call him FLIPPER...


I wonder if McCain realizes that the people that loved him so much in 2000, don't & can't take him seriously anymore....and the neo-con-right, who've always not liked him, are reluctant to even defend him...

it's lonely out there for our resident FLIPPER..

The headline should read "Old Man Yells at Cloud"

There goes those "bearings" again. Starting to slow down the Straight Talk Express a bit, I'm afraid.

As an independent, who has usually leaned republican, I am stunned at the ignorance of many of the posts from those (I can only guess republicans) obviously in favor of another 4 years of Bush policy.  While, as previously mentioned, I have usually trended towards the republican  party, the reprehensible behavior of our Bush government not only in its incompetent bungling of foreign affairs, but also in its failure to care for the well being of its own citizens, by putting the interests of big business above the interests if the individual, has created an economic nightmare that will have the U.S. looking like a third world country by 2013 if not stopped.  I can only imagine our forefathers are spinning in their graves watching the republican party turn our country into exactly the type of government they fled from.

I used to like McCain, before he began running for president and did a 180 on so many of his earlier positions.  Now, he has shown he is simply a puppet by embracing the undeniably failed Bush policies, he has turned not only on the citizens of this country but on his fellow veterans.  To imagine that he, along with our president, are not in favor of more money for better educating our military is a disgrace.  To push to have PTSD relabeled "Adjustment Disorder" so that not so many benefits will need be provided is an abomination.  

Think of how many billions, trillions, of dollars that McCain is proposing we'll spend to fund the war effort for another 5 years (his estimated end date)and imagine what that same money could do here in the U.S.

- Rebuild New Orleans in its entirety.
- Build and fund thousands of new schools.
- Create millions of new jobs.
- Fund a greener country by subsidizing companies willing to put an effort into becoming more ecologically friendly, thereby significantly decreasing our dependence on foreign oil.  The list goes on......

The incompetence of the Bush government is staggering and the ignorance of so many who fall prey to its fear mongering is frightening.  While I certainly am not in favor of appeasing any terrorist organization I have a high enough IQ to know that talking and appeasing are not the same thing.

Perhaps a free dictionary program to those in the Bush/McCain camp could shine a light on their own idiocy and help them gain a better understanding of what diplomacy really is .....

This is funny, now the battle has begun and Obama has been labeled an appeaser in the mold of Carter, add to that his tough anti gun stance...  He will loose by a larger margin than Kerry come November.

???  Can definately tell this is MSNBC and far-left liberal bloggers.  Just make up what you want to hear.  It's the same thing as what you postulate.

A wonderful lesson in logic.  So if I'm reading this right, McCain will only negotiate/meet with terrorist organizations after they renounce all violence and terrorism, and form a two-state solution.  Um, just one thing McCain. . . IF THAT FANTASY OCCURS, THERE IS NO NEED TO MEET/NEGOTIATE/PERSUADE FOR A PEACEFUL SOLUTION IN THE FIRST PLACE!!
Is is just me?  Is this not the definition of circular logic?

Here is the point ... Anyone see Chris Mathews tear a hole into that radio guy yesterday?  Let's point out one thing from that ... how many people in this country (on all sides, mind you) hardly know history PERIOD! They barely remember what they had in school and rely on pundits to "remind them" of what happened without checking for themselves or even bothering to find out.  Hey, we are not going to be a Jeopardy contestant any time soon, right?   Well ... now people are beginning to see what ignorance costs ... that guy yesterday was reamed because he got history wrong ... and guess what ... SO DID C AVERAGE IN SCHOOL BUSH.  Remember the argument against elitists who are out of touch?  There is a counter ... STUPID PEOPLE OUT OF TOUCH ... that is a killer combination if they are in power.  And that is exactly what we have.  What's worse is that some of those people ARE SMART and DO KNOW what they are doing ... and they are doing it anyway ... well ... like Lewis Black says... they are coming right up to us, smiling, pulling their pants down and S!@#@#$@# on our faces ... and we take it.  

The guy yesterday was reamed (and McCain could have been reamed on this too) because they talked about Neville Chamberlin the "Appeaser" ... not mentioning the fact that he was a conservative (as was the Idaho REPUBLICAN who made the statement the BUSH CONDEMMED!) ... not mentioning the fact that he appeased Hitler by giving him HALF OF Checkoslovakia to avoid war.  THAT is APPEASEMENT ... Talking to someone ... IS NOT APPEASEMENT ... refusing to talk to someone ... THAT CAN LEAD TO WAR ... HELLO!! Imagine if Kurschev did not pick up the phone when Kennedy tried to talk to him to reason with him ... that's right Mad Max for breakfast, internet, devastation etc etc etc ...
McCain was not stupid back then but he is being POLITICAL now to cover the tracks of his buddy who I am sure did not do him any favors and I am sure pissed him off worse that back in 2000.  McCain I must say I have to give him props for keeping his cool ... he is actually the SANE one in the group of  knucklenuts and is doing his best to keep them stupid and happy while hoping the democrats implode on their own.  A tall order ... he is truly a hero and patriot for that.  But ... with war there are casualties and he will have to be one of them to fall on the sword the nut bunnies in my old and totally wrecked republican party, the party of Lincoln G@# D@#$t, have put out for him.  

Let the games continue ... there are no more intellectuals in their following so expect their trolls here do be space wasters.  Remember, Elites Suck ... stupid people rule ... that's what they are saying to you America ... we want you stupid so we can get to the business of running this countries business and taking care of our own.  God help us, not all republicans are like that I am sure ... and we can't wait until a true unifier comes to lead our country and give THEM the permission to throw off the yoke that oppresses them and forcess them into mediocrity and irrelevance.  It's the Party of Lincoln!  Have some respect!  

Bush, who's approval rating matches his IQ, would dare talk about someone else foreign policy.  Now McCain does another flip flop dance.  They are not bad dog food, they are dog doo doo.

<The United States> "is not a partner for peace so long as they advocate the overthrow of" <insert name of country's government which the U.S. will finance and/or facilitate the overthrow of next>. Amazing, the level of hypocrisy in the U.S. political system, especially during an election cycle.

I'm a democrat but I might have voted for a McCain/Powell ticket back in 2000. Those were two guys who seemed to be above partisan politcs. Ever since McCain started to snuggle up to Bush, there is no way I'd vote for him.

Every time somebody writes an article on McCain, the campaign always comes back and tries to say it's a lie. They are such a-holes. John McCain just takes Obama's talking points and shapes them as his own. He HAS NO PLANS!

Carol, Long Valley, I've asked before and I'll ask again...

What did voting Democratic in 2006 get us? Certainly none of the things you say voting Democratic in 2008 will...

Obama has never said he would meet with these people unconditionally. And although he has stated he would meet withthem, he in fact has also said he would have conditions. There is nothing confusing or wrong with that.

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