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McCain reacts to Rubin, Obama

Posted: Saturday, May 17, 2008 1:23 PM by Mark Murray
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From NBC's Kelly O'Donnell and Mark Murray
Last night, McCain spoke with NBC about yesterday's Rubin flap. He called Rubin's op-ed "an obvious distortion" and said of Obama: "I hope he would condemn it."

"I don't know how [Obama] would react to what was an obvious distortion article that appeared in, on the op-ed page of the Washington Post today. I hope he would condemn it. But look, the point is that, the larger picture is that Senator Obama wants to sit down and negotiate with a leader of a country that's dedicated to the extinction of Israel. That just in the last few days called Israel a stinking corpse. That is a state sponsor of terror. There are explosive devices that they're sending into Iraq that are killing young Americans. I would never do that. And I think it is a mark of the inexperience that Senator Obama displays. And I think Americans will make a judgment accordingly."

Also last night, the McCain campaign pushed back even harder against Rubin, producing the full SkyNews exchange between Rubin and McCain regarding Hamas. The campaign says the full exchange shows McCain's consistency: that he would reach out to Hamas only if it met certain conditions.

Below is the exchange...
 
Jamie Rubin: "Do you think that American diplomats should be operating the way they have been in the past, in working with the Palestinian government if Hamas is in now charge?"

McCain: "They're the government and sooner or later we're going to have to deal with them in one way or another, and I understand why this administration and previous administrations had such antipathy towards Hamas is because of their dedication to violence and the things they not only espouse but practice, so, but it's a new reality in the Middle East. And I think the lesson is people want security and a decent life and a decent future then they want democracy. Fatah was not giving them that."

Rubin: "So should the United States be dealing with that new reality through normal diplomatic contacts to get the job done for the United States?"

McCain: "I think the United States should take a step back, see what they do when they form their government, see what their policies are, and see the ways that we can engage with them, and if there aren't any, there may be a hiatus. But I think part of the relationship is going to be dictated by how Hamas acts, not how the United States acts."

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It seems that McCain's confused his enemies again.

It wasn't Hamas who made the stinking corpse statement, but Ahmadinejad.

http://swingstateofmind.com/?p=97
Doesn't read like a distortion to me.
When is McCain going to apologize to the families of over 4000 American soldiers killed in Iraq?
I saw a clip of the interview where McChangemypositiononalmosteverything clearly said that an elected Hamas goverment was legitimate and we should consider talking with them.  It was one of those moments from when McSwitch had honor and spoke out against this administrations policies he now trumpets and pledges to continue - the Maverick the was.
I watched another network's interview of an american girl who had visited Iran & she said they treated her with so much respect & royalty.She added that they were excited to have an American visiting their country.This definitely is not the portrayal we get from Bush-McCain.Let them tell it , Iran is nothing but a bunch of extreme terrorists who hate Americans.Maybe Iran just hates Bush-McCain & any other country that threatens to oblitereate it!NOW THAT'S WHAT I CALL COWBOY DIPLOMACY!
This s going to be easy. Just like the Clintons theyre stuck in a gear they cant escape. You cant bring about change if you cant see the mega picture.
The GOP will try to hide the war and the failing economy with fear. We were scared the first few years after 9/11, but what the Gop cant realize is that we are not chicken-$#!t$. Just observe our soldiers.
Social Change (check: History), is like the tide, its just gonna happen. Sink or swim.
Look.  Iran is a nation.  Ahmadinejad is the leader of that nation.  If Iran says they want Israel to be a stinking corpse or that it is a stinking corpse don't you think this would be an opportunity for the President personally to say hey thats not right.  This isn't done through surrogates.  It is done directly by the President.  We have to have a leader that sets the tone of everything we do abroad.  I think Obama is not only correct in his continued plan to speak with all countries even if we don't agree or like them.

This good or bad stuff needs to stop.  This is not the kindergarten playground.  People have different ideas about society and life than we do.  We have to respect the soverign right of foreign nations to persue their best interests as long as they don't infringe upon our own.
No one things Obama wants to give anything to terrorists but you better believe that diplomacy would have been a better idea than the last 8 years of absurd stupidity by Bush.
The world has been introduced to the real John Mc Cain  and it is an angry irresponsible fear mongering  man.  He has already pandered himself on the gas tax holiday and now he is gone beyond the pale in pandering for the Jewish vote with lies and distortions. He is joined in this by his buddy Joe Lieberman. Both men have been photographed hugging George Bush.  Now they have hugged the policies and politics of George Bush. Shame on both of them.
"Hypocrit" McCain can't seem to remember from one day or year to the next what he says and then gets mad when the media point out his obvious and numerous flip flops.

We can see from his campaign message manager "CryBaby" Mike Salters that he is repeating the "Tyrant" Bush tactic of threatening the magazine reporters covering his campaign that if their magazines print critical articles of him they will be kicked off the Double Talk Express.

Just more of the same secrecy and attack the press that we've seen from the "Traitor" Rove campaign book.  We need to send this whole wrecking crew of democracy into retirement, where all republican politicans belong.

Old Man Yells at Cloud!

Go Obama 08/12!
McCain knew exactly what he was saying and his context was clear.  Once again the Obama camp seeems to take a comment out of context and swarm around their interpretation as if it reflex reality.

Rather than discuss substance the Obama crew forever makes personal attacks and distortions of his comments.    

If the Democrats want to beat McCain do it on issues, not on Obama Drama!
I just watched the video of Huckabee's poor taste joke before the NRA, guess what? no flag lapel pin!!
Ok Sen. McCain, honestly, what you just said, is the same thing Rubin said you said. I dont want anyone to "distort" what I am feeling right now. I am very upset at you sir. Actually disturbed that you promised a campaing in which we would bring up the issues that matter to this country, Cindy said we would do negative ads, yet here you and my fellow republicans are doing nothing but, and your ads are the worst ones, cause they are very very live.
Why should Obama reject Rubin's op-ed?  Rubin is a Clinton surrogate, and doesn't speak for the Obama campaign.  Should Obama denounce and reject EVERY criticism about McCain?  What a whiner!
Bush needs to give McCain advanced notice before speaking in public, so McCain can go into hiding.
McCain seems to think "they bully pulpit" still works and he promises four more years in Iraq. I wish the American Voters would focus more on the tragedy of the Iraq War. A disaster based on lies, planned by politicians that thought they were generals and an Administration who’s only victory was controlling the Press.

If only the News Media would do its job and report on a true analysis of what has and is happening, Bush, McCain and the Politicians who continue to support it as a winnable war would receive the ridicule and anger they deserve.

You want to worry about the economy. What impact did the 1.9 Trillion dollars and rising spent on this War have on our economy?

If Voters would get off their butts and read some of the books that tell the truth about what happened, they would be outraged and would force the politicians and the justice department to send a lot of people to jail. If you are too lazy to read a book, buy or rent the “no end in sight” DVD, if you don’t feel the American Public and our Military have been betrayed by the Administration, participating Military/Industrial Corporations and our News Media, it will happen again and again.

To all the many strategic and military experts who were ignored, discarded and attacked by this Administration, history will record your bravery and sacrifice.

To the people of Iraq, who have suffered all these years of being killed, tortured and displaced; I pray that you will eventually see justice done.      
When will McShame fire Charlie Black?..(google it)
If it does have anything to do with "THE ENEMY"
this mans' policies are convoluted as his memory..
I'm beginning to wonder if those medical records are hiding something...radiation short circuiting the brain?..maybe...
The real truth about those weapons that Iran allegedly is sending into Iraq is that they aren't.

The Pentagon was all prepared to trot out 20,000 pieces of weapons and ammo that "Liar" Bush said was proof positive that Iran was sending in military aid a few days ago.  Just before they did some military experts looked over the inventory of ordnance and said that not one single piece of that whole 20,000 pieces of "evidence" came from Iran.

Yeah I smell yet another "WMD" lie being perpetrated by the liars in the White House and "Bush Hugger" McCain is part of that conspiracy to rush us into war with Iran to help get the lying double talker elected to cover up all those administration lies.

Go Obama 08/12!
This old man is going to be arguing with himself until November when the American people first and then the fine people of Arizona figure out how out of touch he truly is. He has built a reputation of being a maverick but that has only stuck because he granted such great "access" to the media and they played along. Now that he is running for the highest office in the land his ties to lobbyists and agents will sink him. Americans are tired of lobbyist running this country and McCain has been too cozy with them.
"Revisionist Historian" McCain is just trying to fool his base of knuckledraggers that he didn't mean Hamas but Iran.  We intellectuals know better because we're smart enough to be able to read the comments and make the correct conclusions from what we read.

"Alzheimer" McCain has lost his bearings and his Double Talk Express is headed over the cliff for a big crash In November!

Go Obama 08/12!
Who's the Manchurian Candidate ?
The web's a buzz about it without saying who it is...

Is it McCain because time in prison in Hanoi..?...
Though I still fear the vaunted Republic attack machine and their lack of a conscience, I think McCain appears almost fragile and fractious when pressed especially on his Straight-Talk Express, almost unprepared for close scrutiny.  This election will be a collision of man, moment and machine.
Ditto. Could this be a sign of senility?
McSame wants Obama to disavow the Jamie Rubin "distortion" while he keeps repeating the lie that Obama   is an "appeaser" and would negotiate with Hamas? I think McSame would be better off in a rest home, not the White House
McCain is very experienced in foreign policy.
Obama cannot seem to even connect with the working class voters in America - how does he expect to sit down with terrorist leaders.  The party leaders came to defend their WEAK candidate on foreign policy so he would not look foolish while his speech was being written.  OBama is NOT QUALIFIED and will never be elected with his WEAK questionable background.
We all wish MccCain were a younger - but - he is not and that's all we got!
Welcome to Scrutiny/Pushback land, have a nice day.
Trivia question: What year was John Mccain adopted into George W. Bush's family?  
Answer: in 2008 John McCain declared that the Iraq war would last 100 years.  This incredibly frightening threat solidified John McCain's position as Bush Policy Champion.
If you absolutely loved the last eight years, the madness need not stop.  John McCain will continue the  exact same policies of the George W. Bush administration.
If McCain is elected, watch for the return of Rumsfeld, Wolfawitz, and Libby.
Why in the world should Senator Obama come to McCane's defense?  That's unreasonable to even suggest that should.  Senator Obama wants McCane to explain what he meant, not condemn it.  Sorry, repubs you have alot of answereing to do and Senator Obama appears more than able to ask the questions and provide explanations for your accusations.  Even if your repugnant repubs do get by with your lies and rhetoric with the American people and barely win this election, you will be major bloodied in the Senate and House.  I feel as if I live under an oppressive regime that ignores and tell lies everyday, while they never have to worry about filling up with gas every week or watching how little you can buy at the store with what money you do have.  I'm so thankful that I never cast a vote for the republican candidate in office and I will not for the one running. America needs Senator Obama- this war needs to end, now and when that happens we will see our economy begin to recover.
When does McCain get publicly tested for short term memory loss and possible Alzheimer's?  Last I heard he was going to release medical records April 15th.   Is he even going to get tested for short term memory loss or just tell us he can hike?  
Why in the world should Senator Obama come to McCane's defense?  That's unreasonable to even suggest that he should.  Senator Obama wants McCane to explain what he meant, not condemn it.  Sorry, repubs you have alot of answereing to do and Senator Obama appears more than able to ask the questions and provide explanations for your accusations.  Even if your repugnant repubs do get by with your lies and rhetoric with the American people and barely win this election, you will be major bloodied in the Senate and House.  I feel as if I live under an oppressive regime that ignores and tell lies everyday, while they never have to worry about filling up with gas every week or watching how little you can buy at the store with what money you do have.  I'm so thankful that I never cast a vote for the republican candidate in office and I will not for the one running. America needs Senator Obama- this war needs to end, now and when that happens we will see our economy begin to recover.
McCain may miss some details about things because he's old. So what's Obama's excuse for being such an idiot?
McCain must think people don't have a memory or maybe he does not have any memory. Unbelievable, how anyone can give this man any deference on any issue is beyond my comprehension.

you know i have had it with mccain the country going down the tubes and all we here about is mission accomplished and iran and all this other bulls when the country is going down the tubes...The troops come home to not even a thanks from the government, by denieing them proper health care, an education they were promised...A country whos out of sight on oil, gas jobs, inflation, recession cost of food, shelter etc while all he does is talk about our security, when america is loosing itself to foreign oil, loans from china etc......get off this bullsh and deal with our problems at home.   if you dont America will be owned by foreign countries......
McCain, please retire.
I sure wish someone would ask McCain if Hamas was Sunni or Shia.  That would keep him stammering well into June.

I think his biggest problem is age-related in that McCain seems utterly unaware when speaking that he will be caught in his self-contradictions, which was not as much the case as recently as in his pre-YouTube 2000 run.  Times have changed and left McCain in the dust.  His flip-flop cup runneth over.

When will Bush an dMcCain apologize for the millions of Iraqs displaced from Iraq now refugees in Jordan, Syria and what about the thousands of Iraqs caught in the cross-fire of teh ethnic and religious groups ?
Whe will America ever apologize the Palestians displaced for 3 generations?
McCain is something else!

Did he reject President Bush and his comments?
Yep Molly thats all you have and its not much just an older Bush and if your foolish enough to vote for it you will deserve what you get, another four years of war and that many more deaths,how much blood does it take to satisfy some people...
The day of reckoning is finally here. McBush and his warmongering policies will see the true light of day and he will be resoundingly rejected by the American people who have been played as fools over the past 8 years.More of the same is NOT an option. Obama is a wise man who possesses the skills and intelligence to negotiate with our enemies. Christ said, "agree quickly with your enemies," which, to me, means meet them without pre-conditions without demonizing and hating them before you even speak. There has been more than enough bluster to spread around. Diplomacy 101 shows that those who accuse and demonize others are insecure themselves thus acting from a base of weakness rather than truth or strength. A new day is dawning. If you can't get together, just get out of the way!!
What does it say that McCain's polling numbers are even with Obama's, yet every single comment here is frothing at the mouth with hostility toward McCain?
To all those who would like to mis-characterize the Iranian people; they are fine, upstanding, moral and reasonable people.  It is their government that fails to  act similarly, and a great number of Iranians strongly disagree with their government.  If we stop calling out their government on their wrong-headed views, we do most Iranians a disservice.  George & John have it right.
GOP = Greedy Old Pigs.  Let the mob bing down George Bush and Co.
Bush was was simply pandering the Jewish votes for McCain at the Knesset.  The Jewish parliament implies that no one should talk with ennemies. That's why Israel has not made any progress for the last 3 decades in solving differences with others.  They should follow the example of one of their illustrous prime minister, the late Golda Meir who talked with Israel's ennemy (Egypt) 3 decades ago to struck out a lasting peace accord between the two countries.

Moreover, in her memoir "my life", where you can find example of a true leadership, she described the risk she took in a top secret mission, disguising as an arab man going into the night to meet with ennemies to talk about solving the differences.

That's a true desire to solve serious problems.  Bush attitude is just an obnoxious, condescending limited view of how to solve problems with the rest of the world.

I used to like McCain but since he started his White House campaig he reveals that he should not be there particularly at that age.  Just ask your grandparents how tired they feel at that age.  The presidency is job of 14 hours a day, six days a week.

Hope that Nbc will post my message.

Cecile
Why does he want Obama do condemn it? He has nothing to do with it! He wants Obama to condemn it when he keeps saying is the candidate of Hamas and is a terrorist appeaser? He's crazy!
Once again the GOP - (The Grand Oil Party) whines about their opponent, Obama, that he is endangering the U.S with the idea of diplomacy being first and the use of the fist is second. The real truth is the Iraq War effort is endanger because of the duplicity and divisiveness that the administration used to create the war. The world, the Middle East and now at last the U.S see's that our country was duped into the needless war. The shame is the likes of Bush and McBush and so on! And we Americans better wake up and take this truth to ballot booth!
First of all McCain has changed his positions like a windsock on pretty much everything. He has a real credibility problem. I trust him about as much as I do bush & company.

Now as to Hamas, I heard on MSNBC yesterday, three analysts say that Israel and the U.S. use back channels to talk with Hamas. So, talks are going on, we just don't get to hear about it through our MSM here in the U.S. since bush has been in office. If you want to know what's going on I would suggest all of you going to www.thenation.com they have a couple of very good articles that would help anyone interested in the ME.

With regard to Iran and Ahmadenijad, he is only a figure head. Iran's president doesn't have any real power. If there are going to be any talks going on its with the clerics of Iran, they hold the power.
I also heard recently that there were thousands of weapons that had been found in Iraq and according to this administration, these weapons were supposedly from Iran, but after our own government inspected the weapons, they said NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THOSE WEAPONS HAD COME FROM IRAN. Does that mean that it isn't happening? No. But if they are accusing another country of something they should be able to prove it with hard facts. It comes back to credibility and trustworthiness. Bush, his administration, McCain, Leiberman and others are all wanting to find any excuse to go after Iran and in my opinion, they are trying to build another house of cards like they did with Iraq.

I'll take Obama's foreign policy plan of diplomatic talks, over McWar's shoot first, ask questions later policy any day. Haven't we had enough of that for the last 8 years already?? Its time to turn the page of conventional thinking on foreign policy and how we deal with other nations.
It seems like McCain only comes up with 1 answer per flipflop, to keep it all straight. He just keeps repeating the same answer no matter the question.

If Obama doesn't mop the floor with him in a debate, I will be very disappointed.
It's hard to stomach how judgmental these comments are. No I do not believe McCain would make a good President.  Not possible. He became Bush's shadow in order to APPEASE the conservative right, blasting away his previously moderate tone for the vote. Unethical, just like Bush. But to bash Obama.... please do your research, become well-informed, and demonstrate that those less educated don't just vomit out beligerent comments or vote blindly. Come on, now, reform is good! Are you really that content with who you are and the nasty remarks you leave in your wake? Is that how you wish to be known? MOLLY? NEW INDI...?????
Well, Senator McCain are you about to condemn yourself for twisting Senator Obama's positions about Hamas?  I didn't think so.  Senator Obama has consistently said he will not negotiate with Hamas.  Senator McCain has NOT consistently said this as demonstrated by the article by Mr. Rubin.
McCain is no "friend" to the American people or the Middle East. If you want 4 more years of lies, distortions, fearmongering and war then McLame is your man.

If you want to put an end to the illegal occupation of Iraq, end the lies and deceit, capture bin Laden, restore our Constitutional rights, close Guantanamo, have foreign and domestic policies that will actually make us safer, then Obama is your choice.

I'm voting Obama in November...this country and the rest of the world can't afford another four years of cowboy diplomacy, nation building and policies based on religious ideology.

Obama 08/12
When McCain was in maverick mode he was into diplomacy.  Now he is into fear mongering and calling Obama inexperienced.  This is not the high level of debate we had hoped for.  The tight Gallup poll showing Hillary and Barack still neck and neck reflects the fact that fear works.  Obama Grandmama '08


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