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Clinton blasts McCain; touts electability

Posted: Saturday, May 17, 2008 1:37 PM by Mark Murray
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From NBC/NJ's Mike Memoli
PORTLAND, OR -- Hillary Clinton criticized both John McCain and President Bush last night, saying that a McCain administration would be “more of the same,” particularly when it comes to Iraq.

The New York senator took part in a town hall meeting organized by KGW-TV, answering questions about a host of familiar topics and recent events, including McCain’s recent speech outlining his goals in a first term.

“His proposed victory by 2013 in Iraq was not based on any realistic assessment, nor was it based on any new strategy,” she said. “It was an assertion; it sounded a lot like ‘Mission Accomplished’ -- only postponed into 2013.”

Clinton also repeated her criticism of Bush for linking Obama to Nazi appeasers, saying his comments were “way out of line and really outrageous and should be rejected out of hand.” And while discussing her plan to address high oil prices, she said it was “embarrassing” to see Bush “begging” Saudi Arabia to increase production.

“His policy is go ask the Saudis to please try to give him a little relief, and that is not a policy that’s in the interests of America,” she said.

KGW had invited both candidates to speak, but Obama’s camp declined to participate. Clinton said she had hoped for a series of debates, “because I think that’s the best way to judge people side by side.” Later, she was asked if she was concerned that pundits “scare voters away” by declaring the race over.

“They’ve been saying it since Iowa, and the voters proved them wrong,” she said. “I’ve been declared dead so many times and luckily it’s been premature, and I’m hoping it stays premature.”

She then again claimed that she leads in the popular vote, although that claim is based upon adding the votes she also received from Florida and Michigan (while not counting "Uncommitted" for Obama).  The campaign says Clinton's victories in key primaries would make her a better general election candidate.

“I’ve won the big states and I’ve won the swing states and the states,” she said. “The real issue here is the map. Who is more likely to win the electoral votes we need to actually capture the White House? And because I believe I am better prepared to be president and I am more likely to be able to win, I don’t care what the pundits say, I’m going to leave it up to the voters.”

The final question during the hour-long forum was what the high and low points have been for the campaign. Clinton said the high point has been “anytime I get to appear with my daughter.” The low point?

“Just being sleep-deprived and trying to get to more places than there are more hours in the day to possibly cover,” she said.

*** UPDATE *** RNC spokesman Alex Conant emails this response, "Rather than explain why both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton will raise taxes on hardworking Americans, Clinton is launching her own desperate attacks on John McCain. The Democrats’ plans for more taxes, more spending and more regulations will not grow the economy or create jobs. America needs strong leadership that understands the economy – not higher taxes and spending like the Democrats are proposing.”

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I don't even get what the discussion is about.  The republicans and this administration in particular have been ruining this country.  Let's vote now!
I applaud Hillary for blasting the true enemy of democracy "NeoNazis" Bush/McCain.

I'm getting sick and tired of "Desperate" Hillary spouting this electability nonsense.  If she were so electable she would be leading Obama by plenty.  It's time for the supers to come out and end her nonsensical garbage that only continues to keep our party from uniting behind our presumptive nominees who won this primary with an intelligence she has proven she lacks.

Go Obama 08.12!
Did everyone read that?  Not only does she not want to play by the rules she agreed to at the beginning of the primary, but she wants to change the amount of hours in a day.

The 24 hour standard for a day has been around for ages and well accepted world wide.

Again, do anything, say anything Hillary.

Well, at least she did not criticize Obama.
Attention gas tax holliday lady, you have nothing to offer.  Stop your dividing the Democratic Party.   You have ridden on Bill's coattails as far as they could take you.  It is now time to inform your racist and sexist base of support that you will no longer continue your defunct bid for the Democratic Nomination.
It's time for "Desperate" Hillary to get the message that she's only helping her ally "Warmonger" McCain every time she utters her electability nonsense.  Her pathetic campaign with the wrong strategy, the wrong message and the wrong financial model have shown proof positive that she does not deserve to return to the White House in either capacity as President or Vice President.

Time for the superdelegates to her a message about being a good team player and when to stop attacking Barack Obama, a fellow Democrat.

Go Obama 08/12!
As this process goes on it will become clear why Clinton is/was the better choice.
I'm still laughing at "Fairy Tale" McCain's new fairy tale called "2013".  "Grandpa" McCain must seem to think the majority of the country is too stupid to see his fairy tale predictions from his crystal ball of republican dung as the epitome of pandering.

I still say he's angling to become a standup comedian since he's been on so many comedy shows lately, and his new "2013" stand up comedy routine will get plenty of laughs from us intellectuals who see it as nothing more than black comedy of the worst sort.

Go Obama 08/12!
Hillary is so much better suited to be pres. I hope the supers see this and make her our nom. For those that think it isnt good enough to have popular vote remember Gore. Hillary very smartly made extra effort for those states that have denied us the White House.She is smartest and has means and knowledge to change what needs changeing for all people and improveing that which must be improved.Actions speak louder than words. Even as she gets slapped aside she just keeps working for all of us.Strong, knowledgable, and able.Hillary 08.She has worked both side of aisle and has learned how to work more effiently.Sometimes through mistakes and sometimes by listening and watching.Hillary is for all of us not just power ego.
I salute the First Read team for yesterday's massive reader comment postings from the excellent FR articles.  Wow over 300 comments posted on just one article.  Hey FR team do you have any stats on reader comments posted and what day is the busiest?

Thanks for not taking the weekend off FR writers and staff.  Got to keep us comedian wannabe's busy with our therapy!

I'd also like to thank the many FR readers who post some really good comments that keep me laughing despite the bad news.  To those who've said they like my comments thanks!

Go Obama 08/12!
Hillary keeps saying Obama. Now she is taking the totals from the states she won to delcare a victory.  She must not tally up the latest general election polls by state. If you do Obama not only wins but could win BIG!  

I used http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/general-election/. He wins in Colorado, Iowa, Michigan, Nevada, New Hampshire and New Mexico. Except for Michigan where Hillary is tied with McCain, Hillary loses all the other states mentioned. He is tied with McCain in North Carolina. Check all the states and do your own math.

Teh real possible “swing states”, showing the percentage he is behind. If he can win them it’s a Democratic Landslide. Alaska – 5% - 3 Electoral Votes, Montana – 5% - 3 Electoral Votes, Nebraska – 3% - 5 Electoral Votes, Ohio – 2% - 20 Electoral Votes, North Carolina – 0% - 15 Electoral Votes, South Carolina – 3% - 8 Electoral Votes, South Dakota – 4% - 3 Electoral Votes, Texas – 1% - Yes, my Home State of Texas -  34 - Electoral Votes. Virginia has an 8% spread and 13 Electoral Votes. The Obama campaign should be able to win it as well. We should fight hard with strong effective grass roots campaigns in all 50 states. In this Primary, it has proven to be more effective than negative Ads.  

Do you realize what this could mean for the other contested elections in these states?. Do you see why the Unpledged delegates can’t help but understand what Obama has accomplished?  Howard Dean does, the DNC does….Hell even former Governor Dukakis does, Democrats that have to run in these states certainly do.

This gives us a whole new ball game! We should be dancing in the streets instead of insulting each other. It’s anyone’s guess why the news media keeps using exit polls instead of the “real’ polls.        
It doesn't matter one whit what "Desperate" Hillary "believes".  It only matters what the voters believe and vote on and the majority of us voters don't "Believe" in her tired old politics.

Go Obama 08/12!
Ok, maybe it's just me, but it seems like Senator Clinton is being outrageously disingenuous.  She clearly stated that the primaries in Michigan and Florida would not count (there's audio tape of this!) and even more logically, how can you count either state as a win when no one else was competing?  They weren't races, so she didn't win antything!  No one campaigned in Michigan or Florida, and there was a ruling by the DNC that clearly stated no delegates would be seated.  Senator Clinton's argument about "winning" Michigan and Florida is tiresome, and even more tiresome is the media's refusal to call her on this.  She may have other more valid arguments to make for why she would be a better candidate thatn Senator Obama, but these repeated statements about Michigan, Florida and her having the popular vote are silly and make her look delusional.  
Hillary CLinton is the BEST QUALIFIED to be President.
Obama is NOT - he cannot even connect with the working class American voter - how can he sit down with terrorist leaders?? The party leaders had to defend their WEAK candidate on foreign policy so he would not look foolish while his speech was being written.  Obams skips over states like WV, KY, FL & MI - that he feels he does not need - then cries racist when he does not get the votes! ARROGANT!
Obama will never be elected due to his Weak questionable background.
Keep Fighting Hillary - MILLIONS SUPPORT & VOTE FOR YOU
Sounds like the truce flag is being waved. Hoorah!
The Dem's are on the attack!!!!

Charge..cut those Grumpy Old Politicians to ribbons!
Friends and neighbors, Americans across the land, especially "hard working" Americans (wink).  This race has been fought long and hard; more than 35 million Americans have cast a vote for me, more still for my opponent.  But this discussion we're having is an important one, one that can't be concluded prematurely because the challenges that face America as a nation can only be addressed by me, a woman, a white woman, whose won states that my opponent hasn't; including Fl and MI.  Oh, yeah -  I am still for the gas tax if you are!  Therefore, I ask that we continue this discussion, be patient and let the process run its course.  In the coming days, calls for me to resign from this race will cease as observers realize there is no f**king way that is going to happen.  Regardless of the final results of these elections, I vow to continue the discussion, for it is so important to me that I cannot not be the nominee.  I will campaign as if I were the nominee straight through to the convention and until the voters have their voices heard.  At that point I will make an offer to the superdelegates that they cannot refuse.  
Quite funny to see the most powerful man in the world being reduced to a beggar.  Guess he's working on political capital credit in Saudi Arabia and the King has just cut him off.  I just love watching how far "Beggar" Bush has sunk in the eyes of everyone in the world and at home.

Go Obama 08/12!
 Its almost refreshing to see the democrats taking on the republicans on a real issue and seeing Hillary take the democratic point of view. It was really sickening when she, Bill and McCain were attacking Obama. Obviously he was able to fight all 3 of them (with his "Wright" hand tied behind his back) which showed how he will stand up and fight for us in the general. I'm glad the first salvo is over foreign policy because the republicans having been harping on this as their strong suit for some time. Once Obama shows he can go toe-to-toe with Bush/McCain in their arena, then he can pummel them on the other issues where a continuation of the Bush policies would be disastrous. Like the economy, health care, immigration, women's reproductive rights, poverty, energy and so on and ....
Two face Hillary, Resides in congress and is one of those who are blocking new oil production!
It was the idiot Carter who stopped the oil leases, now we are paying for the choice of an idiot!
Gull Island Alaska, 30 yrs ago capped off, Montana,S.D, Gulf, and many other areas capped off! While we watch other countries get filthy rich, we pay a hostage price! Thanks to Clinton and all the other Washington self serving paper hangers!
Hillary, get off the MI/FL fight already!  I understand that that may be what your fans want to hear but, you really need to get real & focus on helping us Democrats beat McCain & then landing a potentially great cabinet spot on the Obama team!

Let's unite & kick Repub butt this Nov.!!!
Will Hillary please just go back to where she came from...be it New York, Arkansas, Pennsylvania, Illinois or whereever else she claims to be from today.  The sooner she accepts that she's not getting the nomination, the sooner the Democrats can turn their undivided attention onto McCain.
This is the Hillary Clinton that I have wanted to see for a long time. I am still an Obama supporter because I think that he will have the better chance at winning, among a lot of other things, but I hope he starts copying some of her rhetoric, because she has hit a bullseye with her comments on McBush.
The appeasers line by McCain towards the Democrats is valid. That is Obama's position on foreign policy, and he needs to be held accountable.

Israel celebrated their 60th birthday the other day. If Obama is in the White House, they won't see their 61st birthday.
BLAH, BLAH, BLAH---the popular vote AGAIN.  I am so sick of it.  

I don't dislike Hillary, but her argument is flawed.  You don't get to change the rules at the end of the game just because you are losing.
So this our energy policy under Bush: Begging. Saudis must be laughing privately at this ridiculousness. According to McCain and Bush talking to Iran is bad. But begging Saudi for oil makes a whote lot of sense.

Here is why all this war rhetoric would not work. As a parent, the first thing you learn if you don't mean to keep your word, don't warn the kid about it as a punishment. When you tell them no birthday party if you don't behave, then you better follow through it.

For all this war with Iran nonsense, the whole world knows how thinly our troops are stretched and know we cannot afford another war. Nobody respects such cowboy antics. The only option available is diplomacy.
Hillary needs to shut it down if she's going to yap about electability...The way you prove that is by winning elections - and she has LOST twice as many as she has won against Obama. Please -

And she needs to stop yapping about popular votes that don't count and aren't relevant.

No Lying Cheaters for President.
WE ARE IN NEED OF PUMPING ARE OWNE OIL.CLINTON STOPED US FROM DEVELOPING ARE OWNE FIELDS 10 YEARS AGO.THE DEM. ARE BLOCKING IT NOW CNN NEEDS TO TELL THE TRUTH.LETS GET WITH DEVELOPING NOW.GARY FOUNTAIN HILLS AZ.
BILL CLINTON LOST 13 PRIMARY STATES THAT HE THEN TURNED AROUND AND WON IN THE GENERAL ELECTION.THIS POINT IN MUTE HILLARY!
The Dems went goo goo over a sex-crazed Bill Clinton.
Maybe McCain isn't that electible since he obviously won't spend his White House time chasing women.

And what's with the anti-American book coming out about Michelle Obama? I don't see her in the White House except for a Trinity Church Tour.
Maybe the reason why Bush was "begging" for oil is because that's where him & all of his fellow war-criminals are planning to "retire" to after January 20, 2009!  He's got to keep in the Saudi's good graces.  Maybe THAT was what happened to the "missing" $9 billion a few years back: They've bought, built, & paid for their billion $ Dubai condos?!

Eric, from Salinas, CA, you're rubbing off on me!  And, by the way, you're welcome!  Some of us sure do appreciate your wisedom, 2 cents, honesty, etc.! :)
The Obama campaign recently hired 400 paid internet bloggers to hit all the news websites with anti-Clinton comments.  It looks like they are all paying a lot of attention to Portland!

Hillary is right about the electoral map -- the Democrats can't win just because people are fed up with Bush.  Hillary will win, and win handily, because she has the voters coming out in droves in the big Democrat states and the big swing states.  Obama can't win in those states, and Democrats who think that he can somehow magically redraw the electoral map should think again about what happened to all the other weak elitist Dem. candidates.
Better take off your rose colored glasses and see the real world as it is.  America needs a leader.  Not a "90 day wonder" with no experience who is trying to make us all "feel good" with promises of "change" etc.
The Obama campaign claims it will redraw the
politcal map by turning traditional Republican
red states into Democratic blue states. However,
there are several blue states that may be in play as well.  Pennsylvania, with 21 electoral votes,        has a strong blue collar demographic.
John Kerry barely won in 2004 with 51 per cent      of the vote.  Michigan, another blue collar      state and one which has many unhappy democratic voters due to the primary debacle, was also won       by Kerry with 51 per cent.  It has 17 electoral votes.  The biggest prize may be California with    55 electoral votes.  Kerry won the Golden State   with 54 per cent of the vote in 2004 but it has      a very large Hispanic population.  Hispanics      have not turned out in force for Obama and could "swing" for McCain.  These three states have a total of 93 electoral votes which is more than 1/3 of the total of 270 needed to win.  The electoral map may indeed be redrawn in 2008-- just not the way the Obama campaign wants it.          
Finnaly Hillbary is making some sense. After giving the repukes all that ammo to be used against Obama, now she is acting and sounding more democratic, Welcome aboard Hillary, glad to see you on board the Obama express.
"Two face Hillary, Resides in congress and is one of those who are blocking new oil production!
It was the idiot Carter who stopped the oil leases, now we are paying for the choice of an idiot!
Gull Island Alaska, 30 yrs ago capped off, Montana,S.D, Gulf, and many other areas capped off! While we watch other countries get filthy rich, we pay a hostage price! Thanks to Clinton and all the other Washington self serving paper hangers! "


Think it might have anything to do with more people using more oil? Right wingers sure hate honest men, and Jimmy Carter was the only honest president we've had in a century. At least we know Bush and this war have nothing to do with it - huh?
Reality Check. Stop the spin already.

Hillary has the popular vote. That is a fact. As per Howard Dean, MI/FL delegates were sanctioned..BUT those states certified their election..it was a valid, legal election.

So, Hillary has the popular vote and Barack has 160 or so more pledged delegates. The last states and PR will vote and Hillary will gain more in the popular vote and get withing 120 or so pledged delegates as they enter the Convention.

That is the truth. That is the math. There will be a contested convention for supers to determine the winner.

The Obama campaign's attempts to eliminate Hillary from the race will not work. She is entitled to make her case at the convention.


I'd like to invite Hillary supporters to join me in writing in Hillary's name in November. If you truly believe she's the best person for the job, let's give her our votes in November. I hope she runs as an Independent.
In the DNC's eyes, the voters really don't matter (see FL and MI - even though some other states moved up their primaries as well) and regard the MEDIA's support as somehow the public's support for their anointed candidate. DNC and media push for her to end the race and every single poll shows a strong difference of opinion with the public: let it play out.
Any objective, unbiased observer will tell you the push has been on since before January to "get behind" Obama and Hillary went on to win each time they counted her out. New Hampshire, OH, TX, PA, IN, each time "this is it", and she wins. Sometimes BY HUGE margins, like in West Virginia.
I personally will NOT vote in the GE for Obama, and will write in her name instead. I can no more, in good conscience, vote for an inexperienced, racist (contrary to what he and his supporters would have you believe, the signs, words and associations are all there), politician then I could vote for a Republican. Being from FL, I am not alone in my stance that not counting my vote now, as it stands, means forget me in the GE. Good luck.
Hillary, my humble message to you is this: If the "boys club" in Washington can't take your strength, poise, intelligence and perseverance and the DNC chooses instead to nominate an inexperienced, slick, elitist politician, then PLEASE run as an Independent. Your 17 million supporters, to date, are behind you and we want YOU as our next President. Period

Hey FR---here's a scoop--

Do you know where Obama will declare victory Tuesday night?

Hint: It's where he got started.
Wow. The election is really heating up now. And you won't believe these poll results!

http://www.votenic.com
Molly, you sound like every other delusional Clinton supporter.  Now, I understand you are disappointed that your candidate has lost, but try and grow up a little bit.  How is Clinton so much more experienced than Obama?  She has only been a senator for a few more years than Obama.  They both have the exact same amount of experience being president, NONE!!!  I think you Molly, are arrogant.  Why do you hate Obama so much? They share pretty much every policy position. So, if you hate Obama so much, just go vote for John McInsane.  But four years from now when the war in Iraq has gotton worse, the economy has gotton worse, and Roe v. Wade has been overturned, you will have nobody to blame but yourself.  DEMS 08
as Carl Bernstein notes Sen.Clinton has a problem with the truth.She is not vetted,her big accomplishment is cohabitation with a sitting president,delusional[Tuzla]myopic,entitled,poor role model for woman[i would not be happy if one ofmy daughters sought employe in a WH where Bill Clinton roamed freely and devissive.Hillary go home and give America a chance to recover fromthe disaster of a Clinton-Bush era
in the yiddish dictionary the definition for Chutzpah is; see Hillary Clinton
Maybe the Obama supporters would like to comment on this article "The Company He Keeps: Obama Hangs With Hezbollah's Iranian Agent Imam".
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/05/the_company_he.html

After reading this article can you still say you want Obama to be in the White House?  If I can't vote for Hillary in November then I will vote for McCain.

 
ELECTABILTY---SEN.CLINTON IS NOT ELECTABLE.OVER 50%OFTHE COUNTRYGAGS ATTHE MENTION OF HER NAMNE OR SEEING HER PEAR SHAPED FIGURE
Good. Hillary can back off her claim to still be in the race, and we can get on with the Obama/McCain contest. She started with all the money, all the name recognition, all the press,and was the pre-ordained winner before a single vote was cast, and yet she still managed to fall behind. The real question is: With all that lead, why couldn't Hillary close the deal? Obama has more support, including me, a white middle aged registered Republican in Kentucky. He is a remarkable man, and will be a truly great president.
It is amazing how the Obamanites just don't get it. "Hope" and "Change" words just aren't enough. It will take real experience to address the problems we face. Obama will not debate without moderators. He will not give specifics on anything.

If Obama is the nominee he will not be elected. There are other candidates on the ballot other than McCain. Hillary supporters will have several to choose from. I will not 'unite' for the sake of a political party. I will vote for someone with experience and maturity. Which leaves Obama out completely.

This "lunch-pail" "likeable enough" 'typical white person' that knows she doesn't have to be 'bitter', she can just use her right to vote for 'anyone but 'bonehead' Obama'. Maybe he can get his 'Sweetie' to dial up Rezko, Wright and Ayers for advice on how to proceed without those that have good sense.

One pundit said Obama is so vague and his 'fans' see in him what they want to see changed. Doesn't say much for their vision.
I'm disappointed in all three people still running for President. You'd think with 3 senators interested in running for that office that they might have used the time in Congress way more effectively.

Last time I checked the only thing lower than Bush's approval rating was that of Congress.
Actually, Senator Obama has won Wisconsin, Iowa, Colorado, Maine and Missouri and these are all swing states.  And Senator Obama leads in polling in New Hampshire, New Mexico and Nevada -- more swing states.  Senator Obama also won Virginia, which appears to be a brand new swing state if Senator Obama is on the ballot in November.

Senator Obama has won by every imaginable parameter.  He leads in pledged delegates, contests, organization, fund-raising, primaries, cauces and in the popular vote (unless you actually buy into including a state where his name was not on the ballot).

Senator Obama has achieved this against one of the most formidable Democratic candidates who began this contest with 100% name recognition and a powerful political machine.

Senator Clinton, fairly or unfairly, is one of the most polarizing figures in American politics whose presence on the ballot in the Fall will energize the otherwise disspirited GOP.  

Hmm, looks to me like all factors point to a victory in the Fall with Senator Obama.  Senator Clinton might squeak by with a victory, but it could be another 2000, or 2004.  I don't want another 4 years of President Bush, thank goodness, Senator Obama is the presumptive Democratic nominee in all but official name.


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