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Clinton: Finding her voice, but too late?

Posted: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 9:13 AM by Mark Murray
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Has Clinton become Al Gore? She found her voice too late? Still, the fact remains: Clinton has re-made her image and created a distinctive brand from her husband. Frankly, she has accomplished a lot, it's just come a bit too late, just like Al Gore. (It also came with a favorable post-February primary calendar.) Maybe, Hillary and Gore have a lot more in common than they realize; it takes years, not months, to grow out of Bill's shadow.

The Washington Post's Romano writes: "No one is quite sure when Clinton hit her stride, when she stopped caring about the polls, when she took her campaign to the people and gave voters a window into her soul. She said she found her voice in New Hampshire, but then all we heard was Bill's. Some say it was when senior strategist Mark Penn was forced to leave the campaign; he did not put a premium on the personal side of politics. Or it could have simply been when she was losing and so had nothing to lose by being herself.”

“‘The irony is that candidates often find their voices once the pressure is off,’ said Peter D. Hart, a Democratic pollster and strategist. They are comfortable with ‘who they are and what they are. It comes at a point in the campaign when the candidate says this is what I want to say and this is who I am. For Hillary Clinton, as you stripped away all the varnish, the core person is the most attractive of all.’”

The New York Times’ Nagourney, in a fascinating online look at individual dominoes in the Clinton collapse, pulls back the curtain on the Drudge effect: “In October, The New York Times published an article examining the relationship between Mrs. Clinton and the Drudge Report. The article related how the Drudge Report, which historically had tormented the Clintons, had begun routinely posting items boosting Mrs. Clinton’s campaign, at the prompting of an intermediary between Mrs. Clinton’s campaign and the Web site. For the Clinton campaign, things changed almost overnight after that: The Drudge Report returned to being a vehicle driving negative stories about Mrs. Clinton, bad news about the Clinton campaign got extensive attention, and Mrs. Clinton’s war room spent many hours trying to tamp down rumors and suspect information being trumpeted on the site.”

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But when she did find her voice we realized how actually annoying she really.
Or the third option- she's "finding her voice" at a time when the calendar is most favorable to her- in states she's going to win by 30-40 points even at the lowest points in her candidacy (Like Obama in Mississipi)- so there's really no pressure or no real metric of if her new style is in fact doing her any good or not, just making her appear more comfortable.
It is too late.  Obama is just 16 pledged delegates away from reaching an absolute majority!

There is no way that Clinton can win the nomination at this point.  We hope she get her supporters to back Obama in his run for the presidency.

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She has taken pandering and lying to a new level, last night she promised voters in Lexington Kentucky a $10,000.00 tax credit to by Hybrid cars.
This clarifies exactly why Hillary is not suited to the presidency. One doesn't "find their voice" in the middle of a campaign -- it's something you develop over years of study and thought and action, not in reaction to polls.

My number one criticism of her has always been that she's artificial and a creation of spin doctors and political calculation. This latest reinvention is proof positive that she lacks authenticity.
Yes, Senator Clinton seems to have found her voice...and it's Karl Rove's?

Ya know, I was happy to have voted for Senator Obama in the New York Primary, but shame on me now that Senator Clinton has the endorsement of Karl Rove as the stronger candidate!

Yeah, that changes everything...NOT!
Clinton is taking advantage of buyers remorse. Now that we know a lot more about Obama then we did last year (nice job media - you were Wright on top of those issues) we now see that we have a very faulty candidate in BHO. The man is unelectable.
It's not about finding her voice, she simply made too many errors in her campaign. The nomination was hers to lose. Well, she lost it - mostly due to a horribly mismanaged campaign. Think about all the advantages she had at the onset:

1) The best brand name in politics in decades.
2) The automatic backing of most of the voters.
3) A sizable number of super delegates already on board.
4) Best fund-raising resources available.
5) The sympathy of women all over the country.
6) Support from most of the black community.

And yet, with all that advantage, she blew it. You hear a lot of her supporters now whining about 'sexism', but if that were true then she never would have been ahead in the first place. The truth is, she was a bad leader. She chose her staff based on cronyism rather than qualification, underestimated her opponents, and took everything for granted. It was only because when everything started to fall apart that she felt the need to keep changing her personality in a desperate attempt to put herself back on course. And with awful managerial skills like that, I'd hate to see how she would run the country.
Its a shame Hillary has truly found her voice......and yet all we hear is the same lies and rhetoric as always.  It (her campaign) has never been about us, nor America. Its always been about a power hungry zealot who isn't content to ride in the back seat but demands to take the wheel.
Nobody that hungry for power should be in a position of power.. NOBODY.
No matter how many times Hillary reinvents herself, she is still a liar and cannot be trusted.

How many Hillarys are there? Is there a real one?
How would we know?  She still appears to be saying and doing anything to get nominated.

As the first viable woman candidate, I am so disappointed in her. She embarrasses me as a woman and a Democrat. I didn't vote for her in the primary reasoning that Obama needed to know he had support here as she was expected to win the primary. I expected her to win the nomination and would have voted for her in the GE.  However, when her claws started coming out in NH, I felt she was not  who or what she claimed to be and thereafter became a Obama supported with passion.

Please Hillary go away and take your blind to a fault supporters with you. You now are only damaging the party and Obama.  There is no such thing as a dream ticket it would be a nightmare.
Notably, she found her voice by shoving a lot of us "traditional" and loyal Dems aside (trying to marginalize us) in an effort to woo Reagan Dems by running to the right, by pandering, by saying (which I don't buy for a minute) that she's one of them, and by (quite frankly) appealing to some voters reticence about voting for a black guy who they think is Muslim (perhaps racist but clearly low information voters).

Now before any of you lamblast me, I'm not saying that every Clinton supporter is like that, but can anyone say she isn't ENTIRELY trying to get the votes of that population and that that's really where she found "her voice" as alluded to in this article.

Clinton as Annie Oakley is when she found her voice, noone said it had to be a genuine one.
She has 35 years experience and she's now finding her voice?  Nah.  She is taking what's left over.
In the beginning, I was predisposed to vote for Hillary. I defended her against her critics. Then came a debate where she AND Barack did not do well, and I started to support John Edwards. I admired how Edwards drove the issues in the campaign. But, then Edwards did not seem to grow beyond his anti-poverty platform. Barack continued to be unimpressive in debates When I saw him in casual settings, however,  something began to nag at my brain. I realized Obama was a very bright man and I started to make allowances for his debate weaknesses. Hillary, on the other hand, sank in my estimation the more I saw her. I had hoped I would see a superior woman, a queenly person emerge, instead I saw a woman who would eat her young. She struck me as an abused child and wife who grew up to be abusive herself. She is also utterly conventional, NOT the innovator I think we need now. Obama is flexible, resourceful, and sharp. So, now, its Barack, for ME.
I don't understand. WHAT is different about Hillary now than what we saw before? She's the same shrill voiced self centered woman she was in the beginning. Did she stop telling lies? Did she stop exaggerating her experience? Has she stopped pandering to the uneducated? Did she become humanized? They kept saying that last night on MSNBC - that Mark Penn didn't want to "humanize" her as a candidate. Does anyone else find that a bit strange? If one has to "humanize" the candidate for the campaign, aren't we starting out with a flawed candidate to begin with? Many say they admire her because she's tenacious. That's one way to look at  it; the other is that she's self-centered, self-serving and stubborn. Not qualities I want to see in our President.
Did Senator Clinton find her voice or create it?
It's easy to find your voice when no one is challenging anything you say. She is getting a free ride from Obama right now. Not a word of criticism from him.

NC and IN were the last contested primaries. She won IN by less than 1 point, and got shellacked in NC. Who's unelectable again?
It's true. I started out as a lukewarm Clinton supporter, wanting to give her the backing she deserved as frontrunner, but over the course of the campaign she has truly won my heart and soul support.
So, she's (or her campaign rather) is manipulating the press...?  Hmmmm....Not OUR Mrs. Clinton!  Maybe people who live in glass houses really shouldn't throw stones.

She's literally losing her voice from what I have heard over the last few days.  Does she think screaming herself hoarse will make people more sympathic?
I just don't understand why the msm thinks she is such a good candidate. If anything, from my perspective as a liberal democrat, she's more annoying and ruthless than ever, and has not one trait I find appealing, not one. Sure, she's shown women can be fighters, but she's also shown that women like her will do and say anything to win. She's shown some women feel it's their right to be in the WH first, that it's all about her. She's divided the party and with her going down are middle aged women, who have been fooled into thinking she's a feminist of some kind--carrying the banner for all with vaginas. I don't know how any self respecting woman can vote for her, I really don't. This is Obama's year, and maybe the press just doesn't want to piss her off, but they had better start being a bit more objective about Clinton. With any luck, she'll be voted out of the Senate by NY voters and we'll be done with her. She can then join Liebermann and his crew, where she belongs.
So Hillary found her voice? Yes , she pandered on the gas tax,  she played the race card " send them a message " , she changed her accent when it suited her,  she talked about shootin' and drinkin"  and now she is playing the sexist card, which is part of the Clinton DNA of blaming someone else for her own problems. You see, it is never Hillary or Bill's fault, it is the media or a right wing conspiracy or somebody.   Now there are stories circulating about the mistakes her campaign made----her campaign , not Hillary. Hillary doesn't make mistakes.
Same Old Hillary
Whatever voice Hillary has found is great, hopefully the new voice will have more honesty than the old voice but things do die hard....one thing for sure...the new voice will not be that of POTUS .... go become an honest and better senator and maybe in eight years it will be your time again....
She found her voice?  Are you referring to:

‘ white, you know hard working Americans voting for me’.

..’ all people with college education do not have to worry about filling their gas tanks..’

‘ eggheads and blacks cannot win the GE.’

‘ I am the most elect able’

‘ I won the popular vote and the most important states’.

She found hew voice? What voice? Are you referring to:

'..‘ white hard working Americans voting for me’.

..’ all people with college education do not have to worry about filling their gas tanks..’

‘ eggheads and blacks cannot win the GE.’

‘ I am the most elect able’

‘ I won the popular vote and the most important states’.



Not sure why the Obama supporters continue to hate on Hillary.  Are they too stupid to realize that she got over 49% of the vote over Obama and that he can’t win without the 15 million plus votes she has received?

Yes, we can – no you can’t – not without the Hillary voters and of they stay home or vote McCain in any small percentage, it’s back to Chicago and Reverend Wright for Obama.

By the way, can someone please identify those additional 7 states for me?  Looking at my map, I still only count 50.  Maybe Barack and his supporters can enlighten me?

Also, when are the primaries for these 7 new states and how many delegates does each have?
Sen. Clinton was encouraged to by men to run a man’s race.  Now we see her as she truly is.  She is still, by far, the most qualified, and the most capable person to be the next president of the United States. Obama won’t win.  McCain is old, but he appeals more to the left and the right.  Obama isn’t prepared.  Money raised does not make a good president.
Hillary is Hillary the first thing as with Bill is hows can the Clintons come out on top,when she saw her campaign was going down the tubes the Clintons switched to the attack alway attack mode the negative always negative mode and the voters soon got tired of it,the little digs race,Wright people Obama knew in his past and everthing else she could dig up.The endless pandering that people soon saw for what it was,she would tell you anything if she thought it would buy her a vote and last but not least is the hugh amount of baggage, all bad that follows the Clintons around like a shadow,this is what killed Hillary,wrong woman at the wrong time...
HILLARY IS A LOSER.

HILLARY IS AN 'UNATTRACTIVE' CANDIDATE --- THAT IS WHY SHE LOST.

HILLARY, THE QUEEN OF ENTITLEMENT, RAN A "RACE BASED"
CAMPAIGN STRATEGY --- WHICH THE DEM PARTY LEADERS ARE TRYING TO HIDE FROM.
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Nobody knows who the "real" Hillary is ... she has tried on so many personalities during this contest, it is hard to keep up.  The current "voice/personality" (good old country Hillary ... "ya know") seems to be working better than the others so she's keeping this one for now.  We all know that she'll change in a flash if this one begins losing.
What voice are these clowns talking about? Just a few examples of her "newfound voice":

I have won the popular vote.

I have won more votes than anyone who ever ran for president.

Obama is claiming victory.

My opponent is pushing me out of the race.

The media is pushing me out of the race.

The state I am currently in is the most important in picking a president.

I am the more electable candidate.

These are a collection of misleading and unhelpful comments made YESTERDAY - She could have been great - only she wasn't and STILL isn't.
The debacle that is now the FL and MI delegations was started by state governments looking to influence the primary and its nominee.  For background: a election prediction document releases by the Obama camp showed each of the states either candidate had been predicted to win (Obama's view).  This document has proven to be nearly spot on.  I am sure the Clinton camp has one too, but it wasn't leaked and so...

Anyway, Obama predicted blowout losses in both WV and KT.  Why?  Because as independently thinking individuals, we are more like sheep than you could imagine.  Politicians are aware of this and play to it.  However, there are also characteristic in demographic and regional populations that give more than a clue to who will be the eventual winner.  It should be no surprise that Obama struggles in Confederate States.

In reaction to the claims that "Hillary is finding her voice," albeit too late comments here and elsewhere I have question whether or not this is a fair analysis.  Hillary started this campaign as an Ivy leaguer on her couch ready for the conversation to begin.  I won't belabor the daily transformations many have noted, but I will say it is a long way from the g-droppin, gun toten, wild Hill making racially divisive appeals across Appalachia.  In fact, I challenge the notion that this voice would have carried New York, New Jersey, Massechussetts, or California.  

The order of the contest has allowed Hillary to be each Hillary we have seen as dictated by the state.  And though she isn't far from the nomination (think about the metrics being used, and though she is behind, I say what is 100 thousand votes out of 35 mil; what is 200 delegates out of more than 3500.  She is in this race and if the times called for supers to overturn Obama's lead, we couldn't be all that mad about it.  Though I see no reason for that to happen.  I feel Obama is as strong a candidate in this election cycle.)

With that said, Hillary Clinton is no closer to the nomination than she was after the potomic primaries, she is just in Kentucky.
"Many say they admire her because she's tenacious. That's one way to look at  it; the other is that she's self-centered, self-serving and stubborn. Not qualities I want to see in our President."
 
Diane from Illinois --_------TO which i say DITTO

"mistakes her campaign made----her campaign , not Hillary. Hillary doesn't make mistakes.
Same Old Hillary"
GW, -------------- Electable on day one! (But not thereafter.....)

end Oligarchy. save democracy, just say no to CLINgONs

I didn't notice any differences lately. She had a voice in the first 4 or 5 debates when she treated her fellow democrats with respect and concentrated on the differences with the Bush administration and has lost it ever since.
Sisters Unite

It was too late from day one. Women just don't believe in sisterhood. If women did believe Clinton would have been the nominee hands down.  But women just don't honor what has been long practiced by men-brotherhood.

One of the most important facets of a life, if not the most important, is brotherhood.  All of us could define brotherhood differently and exactly what it means to any one individual, but the fact is that you really can't fully describe it unless you've experienced it yourself.  Brotherhood is a lot of things.  Taking a brother to the airport, picking them up and driving them home, talking about how to get ahead, support male political candidate over female candidate  (it’s just brotherhood) , working out together, hiring and paying men more money for the same job a woman has, helping each other advance their careers, covering each others backs, mentoring, giving a recommendation for a job, knowing you have friends for life that have walked down the same road with you are all examples of brotherhood.  

Most women in corporate America have little interest in sisterhood.  Their feeling is that they climbed the corporate ladder the hard way so their advice to their sister is to start climbing. You won't get any help from female executives.  In corporate America females climb the ladder alone most of the time.

This is why woman don't flock to Clinton emasse. As a group, we have no concept of sisterhood.  What duties and obligations do we owe our sister?  When should we put our ideology aside and advance the cause of sisterhood. When do we see sisterhood as a way of improving the lives of our daughters, sisters, nieces and mothers?

Here we have a viable, capable female candidate and while she captured a large majority of the female vote, a large majority turned their back on her-turned their back on sisterhood. Why?  I don't know. But what I can say we better start to understand the role of sisterhood our lives, commit to making sisterhood happen, otherwise we are destined to second place forever.  You decide. The choice is yours.

Anne, PA
New voice? It's just another tactic she's trying out to get what she wants.  Personally, I believe she is mentally deranged, in a scary, possibly dangerous kind of way.
"Finding her voice?" She's had "35 years of experience", and spent 150 million on a campaign before she found her voice? How can she possibly be "ready on day one" when it took her a year of campaigning just to find "her voice". If a call comes in at 3am, and Hillary answers it, will it then take her a year to find the right strategy to deal with it? Obama has had the same message since day one of his campaign. He knows his voice because it's not some fake, manufactured image-of-the-week to attract voters. It's who he is. I wonder if we'll ever know who Hillary is after she finishes trying on her new populist costume and finds a REAL voice.
Wonderful.  As usual with my boomer generation, Clinton is now self-indulgently "being free to be me"---at the expense of ruining her party. She is one boomer who has obviously never grown out of the '70s, when we all did what we wanted, no matter what. She's still in the self-indulgent '70s, a Petra Pan who never grew up.
Amy B, you said it. That is my story too and I am now solidly in the Obama camp.
So, Anne in PA...we are against sisterhood if we don't support Clinton.  I don't buy it for a minute.

I could squabble about much of what you say and agree with some of what you say.  But the bottom line is, there are some real clear (to me) specific reasons that I don't support Clinton and it has absolutely nothing to do with her being a woman.  Of course I'm not "allowed" to talk about all the reasons because we Obama supporters can't say anything negative about Clinton because then Clinton supporters (en masse) say they won't vote for Obama in the Fall.  So I guess you'll just have to trust me on that one (although that's ironic because a lack of trust is one of the issues that I'll let leak about why I'm not supporting CLinton and if the polls are accurate, I'm not alone here).

So, according to your argument, sisterhood has me voting for the slate of females even if they aren't the superior candidate.  I don't think so, that's not how I choose to exercise my hard fought right to vote.

I have and will continue to support good female and male candidates, but not in the interest of sisterhood.  I do so, in the interest of supporting the good old US of A.

In terms of sisterhood, I have an eight year old daughter.  I continue to watch out for people who will be good mentors to her as she grows older.  Many of these people, I note, are women.  But not all.

I don't poo-poo the notion of sisterhood...I think woman do have to stand up for each other in many situations.  I look at all my female friends who have undergone deplorable treatment by male spouses and boyfriends.  I owe them my support, I owe them all I can give them...in the interest of sisterhood.  But my notion of supporting sisterhood does not extend to voting for the second best person for the job when I can vote for the first.

I wouldn't want any of the brothers to do that to me or my daughter and I live by the Golden Rule.

I appreciate your insights even as I don't agree with them.
Hillary Clinton had the same stance on the issues months ago, if anyone had bothered to listen.
I am intriqued that Obama supporters think Clinton is pandering in everything she says, but Obama suddenly sporting a flag pin on his lapel and sending out brochures with a photo of him standing at a pulpit in front of a cross is NOT pandering.  Maybe I'm missing something in his "new" politics?  
Hillary didn't find her voice....she just told the voters - depending on the state - what they wanted to hear....Bill did that...and nothing happened in HIS administration expect NAFTA...and turning a deaf ear on what was happening in this nation...jobs going out of the country, etc......... I haven't forgotten.
Stop the nonsense of "sisterhood" - I am a over 60 white female - grandmother - who was discriminated against in the work place...in the 1960's and 70's.  I cannot nor will not vote for Hillary. She doesn't stand for me. For those of you who think she does...than so be it.  She pandered to you and you bought it.  To me, she talks down to people and not with the people.
Hillary is just too contrived. She made a good effort, but she's just not sincere.
How does someone who is supposed to bring more experience than Obama have to find their voice so often in this campaign?  

I don't think it's her voice she keeps finding, it's her new angle to try and win this election, and that is why she's losing.  

Anne, PA

I have to disagree with you.  This is not a farternity.  I would have totally supported Hillary if she would have conducted herself as a lady.  She started to act like one of the boys therefore she was treated as such.  I would have been thrilled to throw my support behind her if I thought she was the best candidate, I don't.  This sense of entitlement is what has most of the younger generation running as far away from her as possible.  No one is entitle to anything you have to earn it. And for those that discredit the younger generation should really think twice about that they are the ones that are going to make all the difference.  They want there voices heard and they don't like to be told what to do or how to vote.  Free will that is what it comes down to. No one owes nothing to anyone.
Anne, PA - Why do a lot of women feel and think that just because a woman is running for president that I, as a woman, need to vote for her.  In the many years that I have been voting, I have never voted for a woman just because she was a woman.  I look at the person's qualifications, their position on the issues that effect me, etc.  I don't vote for somebody based only on their gender.  And it really irritates me that there are people in this election who feel that because I am a woman I must vote for Senator Clinton.  Also because I am  white, over 50, hard working middle class American I must vote for her.  I don't buy that and I never will buy that line.  
A pundit said last night if you had asked the Clinton's before the election if they would become the candidate of choise of blue-collar Dems, they would have thought you were crazy.  The reason - is because that's not who she represents.  Her new voice - is to pander to the lesser educated, feminist or racist voters, who were left (after many of the people really paying attention realized Obama was a better candidate).  I'm not saying that every Clinton follower fits into this category.  There are legitimate reasons why some people support her such as loyalty to the Clinton name, more insider experience, or actually wants mandated healthcare.  What I am saying is that voters with these less than admirable reasons are what has put her over the top in PA, WV and KY not some newfound "voice"
Finding her voice huh? Yeah right..I supported her at first, but the fake tears and the horrible, mean spirited way that she and her husband ran her campaign turned me off of them. In fact, whenever I hear her voice, accented depending on wherever she is in the country, I turn the TV to mute. Between McCain and his whistly s's (think Herbert from family guy) and her fill in the blank accent, I have worn my mute button out!!
3 faces of Eve. HRC keeps finding new voices. Of course Bubba has at least 2 faces. They make me tired, I need a nap.
Jackieblu
How many "Voices" does she have?

Superdelegates Turned Down $1 Million Offer From Clinton Donor

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/19/superdelegates-turned-dow_n_102450.html
Al Gore won and then he lost...we all know how that happened.  Can you imagine the court battle that would have ensued if Hillie had been in Al Gore's position.  He did a noble thing when he conceded for the good of the country...the crooks were stacked against him.  Hillie would have said country be damned I'm going to get what's mine.  That's the impression her campaigning has given me.
Hillary lost me for good with the Bosnia lie. Were we supposed to admire the fact she took her daughter to a hot landing zone? I thought it spoke volumes about her character, or lack of it.  

I will say this, however, I WOULD VOTE for HER if she's the nominee. I would never betray the people who died to protect my right to vote by voting for a warmonger Republican.  

I have absolutely no respect for Democrats who plan to vote for McShame.  

I only hope Democrats that do vote for him don't have children to witness the betrayal of their future.  
She found her voice when she voted and allowed Bush to invade Iraq; when she voted for phony bankruptcy reform; when she supported Kyle-Leiberman; when she increased divisions between us; when she became hawkish; when she pandered for the gas tax holiday; and numerous other times.  I heard her voice, I disagreed with it, and now I would call on her to hear our voices, stop undercutting our nominee and support him as we move toward November.  


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