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McCain criticizes Obama on Cuba

Posted: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 4:53 PM by Mark Murray

From NBC/NJ's Carrie Dann
MIAMI, FL -- In the city that nearly half of the nation's Cuban Americans call home, McCain again today criticized Obama, saying that his rival's willingness to meet with Raul Castro would send "the worst possible signal to Cuba's dictators."

McCain also hit Obama on what he characterizes as an inconsistency in the Illinois senator's position on the existing embargo restrictions placed on the island nation.

"Senator Obama filled out a questionnaire a few years ago basically advocating lifting the embargo on Cuba," McCain said today. "Now he is saying that it has to be conditional. What those conditions are is very nonspecific."

When running for Senate in 2003, Obama said that normalized relations with Cuba would "help the oppressed and poverty-stricken Cuban people while setting the stage for a more democratic government once Castro inevitably leaves the scene." He has since advocated that normalization should be contingent upon concessions from the Cuban government.

McCain painted Obama's stance towards the Cuban regime as a soft undermining of real progress in repairing the relationship of the two countries. "These steps would send the worst possible signal to Cuba's dictators -- [that] there is no need to undertake fundamental reforms, they can simply wait for a unilateral change in US policy," he said. "That's what they think."

The Arizona senator's remarks were enthusiastically received by the group of mainly Cuban-Americans who attended the speech; they gleefully booed the notion of face-to-face unconditional meetings between Cuba's leader and an American president, and they rewarded McCain's call for free elections with a standing ovation.

But Democrats charge that McCain's bright line against negotiations with Cuba has hardened since he ran against George Bush here in the 2000 primary. Then, as now, McCain laid out conditions under which he would consider meeting with Cuba's leaders, but his tone -- these critics say -- was one with less stringent requirements for some of those concessions, particularly his call that free elections in Cuba be a prerequisite to normalized relations between the two countries.

Florida State Rep. Luis Garcia, a Cuban-born Democrat who endorsed Clinton last year, says that McCain has done "a 180 degree turnaround" on the issue in the last eight years. By aligning himself more closely with Bush policies towards Cuba than he did when sparring with Bush for the nomination in 2000, Garcia says that McCain is, "trying to get on the good side of the Republican right wing."

McCain told reporters aboard his campaign bus today that his philosophy towards Cuba remains unchanged. "I have always supported the position that before any normalization of relations can take place, free elections, emptying political prison and human rights organizations functioning had to take place," he said. "That has been my position for 24 years and remains my position."

The Obama campaign, meanwhile, released statements from supporters Chris Dodd and Bill Richardson, who criticized McCain's Cuba policy. Said Dodd, "John McCain needs to explain why continuing to do exactly what George Bush has done will somehow produce a different result. he Senator McCain I used to know was open to negotiations with Cuba to lift the embargo, but now he’s taking a hard line position, embracing a policy that has failed the Cuban people and the American people alike for fifty years."

Richardson added, "John McCain doesn't understand as well as Senator Obama and I do how the Castro regime works. John McCain -- like George Bush -- is afraid to talk to bad guys.  He feels safer pretending to talk tough by hiding from them. Unfortunately ordinary people will pay for his lack of diplomatic skill. This is the Bush-McCain foreign policy that has failed all over the world, and it has failed to promote change in Cuba. I have successfully negotiated with Castro and many like him, and I know that Barack has the judgment and experience to nudge the Cubans toward a better future."

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One word. Strawman. There's no issue here.
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Gee you Republcans have done such a good job. You should be sorry that you are identifying yourself with the worst Republian watch in History. Your ranting and raving just make me support Obama more.  
"Straight talk" again Mr. McCain?  How about how many times you've flip-flopped on this subject?  Here's my point again - when Mr. McCain is saying something like this, why doesn't the reporter come back with a question as to why he USED to support dealing with Cuba???  What are they doing, just taking notes?  Sorry to pick on you people so much, but it's so frustrating to read these things and know we will never get a chance to ask them these questions.  That's your job!
A country led by Obama, well respected by the world, would be a far more destabilizing threat to dictators than a cranky, bully nation giving nations the silent treatment in a haphazard way.
Yawn!  Even Cubans in Miami want to lift the embargo.  They want to fly to Cuba directly from Miami to visit their relatives.  Next.
McCain is a cold warrior. What good has our embargo of Cuba done for anyone except sugar beet farmers? Has it made Cuba more democratic? Has it freed one political prisoner?

We need to engage Cuba ... help the Cubans, and forget the political differences between the left and right. We've supported right-wing dictatorships for decades, while tsk-tsking about this left-wing dictatorship. Can anyone tell me how the Cuban government is worse than El Salvador's or Guatemala's, for instance? Or Colombia's? At least Cubans learn to read and have medical care.  
McCain is making it TOO EASY to link him to Bush.  You think he'd try ANYTHING to create some distance.  Each day he grows closer and closer.  

I'm sorry McCain, but being a maverick isn't simply being more eco-friendly than Bush who was the worst in history.
You angry bitter old(not in years but in thought)man. Diplomacy is not a four letter word. Do you not have the wisdom to know that you can talk to your perceived enemies without giving approval to them or their actions? Your stance on foreign policy is antiquited and frigtening.
You tell him, Gov. Richardson! I love hearing knowledgable people telling off the right wingers at long last. McCain/Bush have gotten away with their inane arguments for years. I am happy to hear them finally rebuted.
Mr. McDraft did I hear you say "Stay the Course"?  Who does that sound like? WINK WINK GWB.  How does continuing current policy promote change?  It hasn't yet and probably won't in the future.  Get your finger off that button...So maybe its time to entertain a new strategy.  Change does not mean we are weak.  It may show how strong we are and confident we are in our democratic system.  

Bob, Chicago
McCain;

Unless you and / or GWB have sold the Cubans some wepons we do not know about yet, this is more of the same type of "Fearmongering" you have previously engaged in regarding Iran. (You know, they do not have the wepons either!!)

Do this for us American "Friends", give us credit for understanding that you and GWB are scared to talk to enemys, even if they are 90 mile away neighbors with lots of relatives here in the US; and give us credit for understanding that you and GWB would rather that no one else in this country dare to differ with your position....But we reserve the right to say we think the both of you are being "silly" on this issue!

We are not worried about being attacked by Cuba,...Tell us how we can keep our jobs here in the states!??!
OLD MAN YELLS AT CLOUD ...
The Republican position looks pretty silly from Canada.

There has arguably been more positive political movement in China as a result of U.S. economic engagement then there has been with Cuba and the endless embargo.

It's not as though the Republicans can argue that China is more democratic. They'll trade with China because there's money to be had and plus they like to keep the lock on the Miami-Cuban vote.

I find the whole thing kind of sad since clearly the quality of life of people trapped in Cuba would improve with trade and its sad that their relatives in Florida are so passionately opposed to this.
This is so typical and stupid of McCain and the GOP.  The USSR had political prisoners, China had political prisoners.  Guess what we talk to them directly this is why nothing gets done in Washington.  Give me a break, they must think the American people are so stupid that all they have to do is cry wolf and we will run scared every the time.  Cuba, we have had the same policy for the last 58 years and nothing has changed!  So is working GOP is working McCain?  Come on GOP people you are making me vomit every time you guys open your mouth!

We need some new Bumper Stickers if that will say;

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I want to buy cigars from Cuba!

This is so typical and stupid of McCain and the GOP.  The USSR had political prisoners, China had political prisoners.  Guess what we talk to them directly this is why nothing gets done in Washington.  Give me a break, they must think the American people are so stupid that all they have to do is cry wolf and we will run scared every the time.  Cuba, we have had the same policy for the last 58 years and nothing has changed!  So is working GOP is working McCain?  Come on GOP people you are making me vomit every time you guys open your mouth!
Like many beach-goers in Miami, McBush is flip-flopping all up and down South Beach today.
This guy sure knows how to flip-flop.

The number of flops and flips are piling up here:

- Abortion in cases of rape and incest... FLIP
- Campaign Finance Reform... FLOP
- Talking to Enemies... FLIP
- Ethanol... FLOP
- Detainee Torture... FLIP
- Bush Tax Cuts... FLOP
- and so on and so forth

I expect a lot more flopping like a fish before November.

http://laststopmidwest.blogspot.com
I listened to McCain's view of Cuba today. I now see why we need some one who has lived abroad, as president. I lived in the Caribbean for 3 years & grew up in Canada.

Cuba has strong ties to other countries and has properous trade with S America & the Caribbean countries. Other countries have great respect for Cuba because they train many doctors for poorer countries & help during natural disasters.

There is no reason for Cuba to change just because the US is ignoring it. As the countries around it prosper (Venezuela, Trinidad, for example) it also prospers.

Canada & the EU have increased their trade with Cuba in recent years.

Cuba will be the same as it is today for the next 50 years barring some huge intervention.

Only by interacting & showing Cubans what freedoms they are missing out on, can we help effect change in Cuba.
"Richardson added, "John McCain doesn't understand as well as Senator Obama and I do how the Castro regime works. John McCain -- like George Bush -- is afraid to talk to bad guys.  He feels safer pretending to talk tough by hiding from them. Unfortunately ordinary people will pay for his lack of diplomatic skill. "

This is the one of the best quotes I have heard in a long time!  "Afraid to talk to bad guys..." PRICELESS!

Anyway, I am not sure I undertstand why everyone is jumping up and down with a temper tantrum every time Obama says he would like to talk to another country's leader.  What is wrong with TALKING?  It is not DOING or CHANGING...  Maybe if anything it is trying to UNDERSTAND these other countries.  Sometimes I get so irritated with the American's "high and mighty stance, look down their nose at every other country because they are peons in comparison" point of view.  We think we can rule the world yet we forget that our own country has enough issues all by itself...
Obama is right to have changed his stance on this.

Had castro remained in office, we would have known what to expect, and the lifting of the embargo would have had the expected advantages and limited consequences.

With a regime change of sorts, and us on the other side of the wall knowing very little about raul's role and whether he would accept policy different than that of his predecessor, more caution is necessary.

I will note that this caution is again thanks to the forced lock that GOP put for so much time on diplomacy with Cuba. Talks need to begin, but now that its with a new guy, great. now things get a bit MORE complicated. Thanks a lot, GOP.
I don't know what the next president will decide on how he will deal with our enemies.  I do know what this president does.  The opinions on this web sight are mostly slanted toward the negative about this country.  For a different view I would suggest a sight called vetsforfreedom.org.  Check out what the father of an Australian soldier serving with Americans thinks, MSNBC seems to have an overall different view than do these veterans and troops who actually have and are fighting in this war.  It seems that talking will work since we have not been attacked in this country since 9/11.  My son and myself have helped contribute to this cause.  I know John MCcain's son served in Iraq during the same time as my son.  This alone will get my vote.  
I think this race is going to not only going to be about the same vs change, but also a generational thinking race. As reported earlier this issue is hot with older Cuban Americans, but for younger Cuban-Americans they are seeing things Obama's way. I think we will see this with alot of issues, McCain playing on fears from the past and Obama offering a new approach. America is ready to move on and try new approaches.
Once again McCain believes in forcing our agenda.  Yes, "democracy" works for us (we are a Democratic Republic, not a pure democracy), but that doesn't mean that everyone else has to be because McCain and Bush thinks they should be.  

Why doesn't the Republican party get it?  We are most successful spreading our political ideology when we are leading by example and least successful when we try to force our ways on others.  The easiest way to turn the people of a country against us is to allow the government to use nationalism against us.  You can feed and clothe them all you want but they will still hate us if it is our country against theirs and the smaller the country the greater the pride.

Is this just common sense to me or are they just that stupid?  Come on, most of the players in the parties started out with a Political Science education that should have been able to show them the trends and how to interpret them.  It is not rocket science!
Okay, it is now time to spin this back to McCain and start debating over economic issues.  

Obama is playing right into McCain's strengths. Let's start hitting him back on his weaknesses.    
Old man yells at cloud.
Once again we have a Republican, John McBush going on and on about democracy in Cuba and what an evil government they have.  This is but a continuing theme with the Republicans as personified by GW Bush who sees nothing wrong with maintaining his gulag known as Guantanamo Bay (Cuba) in which the rule of law has been completely suspended.  Prisoners have been detained for years without charges nor representation.  Constantly lecturing the world on freedom and democracy, Bush and McCain see nothing wrong with suspending human rights, eliminating habeas corpus, engaging in torture in violation of the Geneva Conventions, unlawful wiretapping and a myriad of other dictatorship-like practices while they rant incessantly about Cuba.  As long as that island floats 90 miles off our southern shore, they will pander forever to their self-righteous base while continuing to disregard their own dispicable and misguided concepts of democracy.
McCain/Bush are going back to "fear" because that is all they have.  The U.S. is less safe today than before the Iraq war.  We have spent Billions on Iraq and have wasted U.S. and Iraq lives for a war of convenience.  The definition of stupidity is doing the same thing over and getting the same flawed results. John McCain 2008 is not the same as 2000.  He wants the Presidency at the cost of his own ethics.  We can not afford a third Bush term.    
Oh! you young folks with short term memories. Castro had Russian Nukes 90 miles from Miami when he got Bluffed by JFK. Most of you youngsters would not be alive today if that war had started. Castro Has NEVER made the slightest diplomatic apology for what he did. But all you appeaser's want to forgive and forget. "IF WE COULD JUST TALK TO THEM, I'm sure they would change their minds"
What a Joke.
It's been his position for 24 years, and last I checked, it has failed miserably for the last 24 years.

Time to try something else.
The other good thing about this is that surrogates are now stepping up and responding to McCain's statements and not Obama. These surrogates need to be the tough guys and let Obama float above the fighting.
This cowboy mentality has to go. Other country's leaders may disagree with us, have different political systems than us, and have different laws than us, but that doesn't mean we can't at least talk to them. There has been a regime change in Cuba; we should at least give the new leader an audience.

America is the greatest country in the world, and we need to set an example about making change through diplomacy versus war like many countries do.
Blind following the blind. McCain following Bush. Can you imagine the reality of a McSame administration? !! And we all know (and feel) the tragedy of W. Cuba has been ready for interaction for several decades, and only fear mongering and foolishness has prevented it. The R.Limburger and Rove machines will have to really ratchet up their s**t slinging and put their own brand of stink to it to make any impact!  I mean, what a pitiful argument for them to use against Obama.
If McCain thinks DAILY criticism of his rival is the best way to bring the American voters to his side, he might as well concede now.

If nothing else, this election cycle has taught everyone, the old way of politics are not only less effective, but are down right insulting.

Americans want to know what's good about the candidate, not what the candidate believes is bad about his rivals. And it's fairly obvious McCain is chomping at the bits to do just the opposite.

Possibly he feels he has no chance otherwise, and he may well be right if he continues this way.
Every time we send one of our enemies "the Republican Message" by ignoring them and threatening military action, we alienate4 or 5 of our remaining allies as they wonder when it will be their turn, or when we will make up a story about them having WMD's!

Let the Republican war mongers shut their mouths and sit down and strap in and go for the ride of true AMERICAN diplomacy that has long been overdue!

We can COMMUNICATE, I know the concept seems antiquated to you Repubs, IT WORKS. Not always the first time, but it does work. It also costs a hell of a lot less in dollars as well as human lives!
As soon as McCain can locate a a lobbyist for Cuba who is willing to contribute cash to his campaign, he'll soon be on the McBush team.  John seems to have no problem at all hiring and employing lobbyists who have worked for any number of foreign countries.  What he doesn't want is input from ordinary U.S. citizens interested in improving health care, ending Bush's War in Iraq, eliminating torture, engaging in meaningful diplomacy with other nations including Cuba, promoting tax cuts for anyone other than the wealthiest U.S. citizens, and putting an end to all lobbying by shills for foreign groups and governments.  His agenda is no different than that of his mentor, GW Bush.
The Cuba policies espoused by John McCain and the political right (many of whom opposed sanctions against South Africa) have done nothing to further the cause of freedom and prosperity over the past 50 years - zilch.  If anything, they have garnered waves of sympathy and support for the Castro regime while providing a scapegoat for Castro at home.
Oh Bill, what a memory! I certainly remember the nukes and I remember Batista, the criminal s.o.b. we propped up before Castro. And I remember the Bay of Pigs, which, hey, don't you think that our attempts to overthrow him and kill him may have had something to do with him trying to get nukes into Cuba as a means of self-defense against a much more powerful neighbor who had already attacked him? What apology should he have made? Are countries not entitled to gain weapons for self-defense?

Don't get me wrong, I'm very grateful that we prevented those weapons from reaching Cuba, but they had every right and every reason to try to get them. Our self-interest and what is right and just are not always the same.
The Cuba policies espoused by John McCain and the political right (many of whom opposed sanctions against South Africa) have done nothing to further the cause of freedom and prosperity over the past 50 years - zilch.  If anything, they have garnered waves of sympathy and support for the Castro regime while providing a scapegoat for Castro at home.
When I turned 18, I went off to college. There, I met a twentysomething guy who worked in the sound engineers' union in Chicago. Among the things we did whilst we hung out was play cards and smoke Cuban cigars.

Tell me, Johnny, how's that embargo going if an 18-year-old can so readily get Cuban cigars?
Yeah, let's not talk at all with Iran and Cuba... just bomb the crap out of anyone that doesn't agree with us. Nice.

In the meantime, CNN reports that 7 million children in Ethiopia are in danger of dying from famine, and 120,000 might not even live out the month. There went 120,000 who could've looked at the US as a country that helped out and put a positive mission in action. They could've backed us if terrorists unreasonably targeted us. But whatever, let's not talk to anyone.

News flash: they'll do what they do whether we talk or not, but at least if talk, and we're a positive influence on the area, they might listen. Right now, they could care less, and our "sanctions" get laughed at. Funny, when you laugh at "macho" men, they get angry... why isn't McCain angry then? Oh wait, he is. You're getting LAUGHED AT, home skillet. Wake up.

Meanwhile, respect is dying. Somewhere a US soldier is shooting a Qu'ran. Hillary's just a 'woman'. Obama's just a n(evermind). McCain's just an 'old man'.

I'm not even that liberal and I can see that this country is dying. Talk to other countries. Talk to each other. In other countries, men (STRAIGHT men) are holding hands and appreciating each other. In this country, you're going to be called a 'f(igure it out yourself)'.

Can you see what's happening? No? Then you deserve what you get. g*d isn't blessing this country anymore, and it won't matter how many evangelicals scream. They already killed g*d by allowing their children to hate.

You think I'm blasphemous? At least I volunteer at homeless shelters. At least I've never said "oh, that's so gay". At least I've helped the bullied kids. At least I taught my children manners and let them think for themselves about what's right and wrong. I even let them decide on their own religion because every religion deserves respect, not just the Christian one. You can see what forcing a child into religion does when you look at child suicide bombers in Iraq.

And you know the biggest part? It started with talking. I talked and talked and talked and then? I UNDERSTOOD. Eventually, the Middle East will understand too, but it won't be cowards in camouflage shooting holy books and raping girls, then hiding behind their governments.

Knock off the posturing.

Talk.

Yeah, this is getting posted....
Bill: History has always been used as a tool to control the masses.  Perhaps you are so old you can't remember this.
Wow this site is blatantly leftist...

They put up 1 in 30 of my posts, I guess they just don't like to hear how Obama is going down in flames come November...  Just watch how badly Obama looses Kentucky this evening, ultra liberal whites on MSNBC and Blacks cannot put Obama in the White House...
After waiting 16 month's, I was able to cast My vote for the next POTUS today, President Barack Hussein Obama. Sound's gr8, don't it !

Barack has shown Respect to Senator Clinton, but as he moves on to the general against Mccain, his Aggressiveness to show the Differences has become evident.

Barack in a Landslide in November !

this is gonna be to easy.
Old man yelling at cloud.

Yes, Cuba part of the axis of evil. Another boogy-man created by the government to continue to fund the corporate defense machine.

The British writer G.K. Chesterton, in his book Heretics, wrote:

It may be said with rough accuracy that there are three stages in the life of a strong people. First, it is a small power, and fights small powers. Then it is a great power, and fights great powers. Then it is a great power, and fights small powers, but pretends that they are great powers, in order to rekindle the ashes of its ancient emotion and vanity. After that, the next step is to become a small power itself.
Senator McCain is not to be trusted. His policies are consistent-Always, hard-nose, hawkish and self-serving.  We need to talk with Cuba under reasonable conditions and help restore democracy.  However, democracy here first is key.  Senator Mcain is aligned with Bush, Huckabee and even Rove. Their policies promote unintelligent decision-making (what a failed administration), incite language (actually advocated harm to Senator Obama-no joke!), and unyielding foreign policies (war, war, and more war) that only serve to hurt Americans and those outside of Americans helping a small minority, the rich!

We don't need self-serving Senator Clinton either-citing Rove as a support?!.  Senator Clinton buy a vowel. The reason he wants you to get the nomination is because your sooooooo much easier to beat.

Obama 08 12  
Nah-nah-nah-nah. Nah-nah-nah-nah. Hey-heeeye. Goodby.
Who again are Cuba's dictators (plural)?  Are they Sunni or Shiite, John McOld?
For those whom state that the US should not lift the embargo on Cuba; to not speak with a communist regieme.  What about China, Russia (Soviet Union), Vietnam?  Is it only those dictatorships which allow US Business to come in that we should work with and those dictatorships that want to go their own way we should object too?  A Republican opened doors to China, a republican worked with Breshnev and a republican congress agreed to open doors with Vietnam.  What is the problem with Cuba, right wingers?  Are they not your communist of choice?  HYPROCRISY comes in many shades of Elephants.


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