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Obama camp calls for half votes

Posted: Saturday, May 31, 2008 1:19 PM by Domenico Montanaro

From NBC's Domenico Montanaro
The Obama campaign called for half votes from Florida according to the primary vote. That would net Clinton 19 pledged delegates, something congressman Robert Wexler called a “concession.”

When asked by top Clinton aide Harold Ickes, also a member of the rules committee, how that would be a “concession,” Wexler shot back, pointing out passionately that those are the same number of delegates Clinton netted out of Ohio and Pennsylvania.

Wexler called for support of the Ausman proposal, at least in part. The Ausman challenge would halve the pledged votes but give superdelegates full votes. Wexler called for superdelegates to also get half votes.

Wexler said the Obama campaign would like to move on in the interest of party unity. But Wexler was questioned by Clinton supporter Alice Huffman pressed Wexler on why Obama camp won’t support full votes. He demurred.   

It appears Clinton camp has the support for potentially full votes by the primary voting from at least (and possibly only) four members -- Ickes, Hartina Flournoy (who also pressed Wexler on supporting full votes), Elaine Kamarck as well as Huffman. Kamarck argued on Michigan, in fact, that “uncommitted” is a candidate and delegates for uncommitted should be apportioned to uncommitted.

Allan Katz, wearing an Obama lapel pin, has emerged today as a leading voice for Obama on the rules committee. Also speaking up seemingly in support of Obama were Obama supporter Mark Hines and undeclared rules committee member and DNC Secretary Alice Germond.

*** UPDATE *** NBC's Doug Adams adds that at a press conference after Florida made its case, the Florida delegation acknowledged it would accept pledged and superdelegates being given half a vote, and they, including Ausman himself, welcomed Obama's "concession." But State Sen. Arthenia Joyner continued to insist that the Clinton campaign wants full votes for the Florida delegation.

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Arthenia Joyner is a flaming loud-mouthed idiot.

Seating her on this committee is proof-positive that competence and logic were clearly not prerequisites.




They have the votes on FL for the full seating, half vote for each.
Stop yapping about what Clinton wants, and do the right thing.

If you don't punish them, next primary season will be a riot, everybody moving their primaries to the front.
Wexler was impressive.  Any talk of him for VP?  I was curious after I watched him, looked him up--great credentials--but haven't heard him put forth for VP.  Have I missed something?
Clinton has painted the Democratic party with the poisonous brush of "disenfranchising" voters and will maintain this point if she if not the nominee. This will haunt Dems for years if not decades to come. I don't see how the party can stand by and allow this to happen. I really don't get it.
What good does it do get popular votes, lose the nomination, and go down in American  history as the worst, polarizing, (i.e.Democratic Party)  female, candidate in USA history; who  set  the female movement back to the Stone Age


Since there is no fair way to a flawed MI primary; it is fair for 64-64 split. Simply because HRC is not a fair nominee by saying uncommitted is a fair ZERO. Her campaign is not fair to honor a voluntary signed pledge, renege, excite your base; then turn around blame your opponent  for playing fairly.
She can’t have it all.
What on earth is wrong with you guys? Were you at the same meeting as I was watching live on C-Span?

The Obama campaign's arguments were weak and badly-argued; it was left to the impassioned Clinton campaign - plus timely interjections by the briliant Harold Ickes and Hartina Flournoy - to remind us that votes are sacred - both the the Democratic Party and to the country of the USA: those 600,000 voters who turned up across the state of Michigan, what are they - chopped liver? If readers only had your disgustingly partisan piece to read, they might think so ...

As for Donna Brazille ("uncommitted" superdelegate - please, don't make me laugh0, who disingenuously told delegates that her "momma said always obey the rules", tell that to the late Rosa Parks. Truly a shameful moment in this less-than-noble saga ...
In America, the beacon light of democracy to the world, we should not cut and dice votes to suit the ruthless ambition of tyrant Obama, who wants to win at any cost with the ends justifying the means.  Only the rigged election system of a third world banana republic would have no regard for the integrity of the vote and not count people's votes.

Obama resorted to deplorable tactics to disenfranchise FL and MI voters - he blocked a revote and did nothing to resolve the issue, resorting to running out the time, so he could easily swipe the nomination.  

The DNC "rules" must be rescinded as void ab initio.  DNC "rules" cannot trump democracy, which calls for all votes to be counted in full for MI and FL as cast for Sen. Clinton.  Obama should lose his FL votes because he campaigned in FL with TV advertising in violation of the "rules" and did nothing to help a revote.  Obama should get no votes from MI because he voluntarily took his name off the ballot and he blocked a revote.
The Obama campaign called for half votes from Florida according to the primary vote. That would net Clinton 19 pledged delegates, something congressman Robert Wexler called a “concession.”

When asked by top Clinton aide Harold Ickes, also a member of the rules committee, how that would be a “concession,” Wexler shot back, pointing out passionately that those are the same number of delegates Clinton netted out of Ohio and Pennsylvania.

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How is this a concession.. God is Ickes brain dead? It is a concession because the rules committee said that Fla would have EVERY SINGLE DELEGATE AND SUPER DELEGATE NOT COUNT 100% because they moved up their primary date.  Hillary was fine with this and you, Mr. Ickes helped make these rules. So to now for Obama camp to offer an o.k. from their camp to a 50% count is definitely a concession.  
Now what I do not quite understand yet, is exactly how  moving the primary date up was done soley by Repubs in Fla.
Are they saying that at any time, (depending on  whichever party is currently filling those positions in Fla goverment) a party in that position can, at will, change the other party's primaries around to mess with them? There is definitely info missing here. How DID this even get on the bill if Dems had nothing at all to do with it?


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