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Flor-igan: A deal -- and disagreement

Posted: Monday, June 02, 2008 9:13 AM by Domenico Montanaro

The Boston Globe writes, “The Democratic Party … reinstated the delegates from disputed presidential primaries in Michigan and Florida but with only half-votes, a compromise that brought Barack Obama closer to the presidential nomination but left the party facing the prospect of further internal conflict.” 
 
"The Democrats are throwing this election away, and for what? An inadequate black male who would not have been running had it not been a white woman who was running for president?" Harriet Christian, who claimed to be a Clinton volunteer in Ohio and Pennsylvania, “bellowed at reporters after the meeting in a tirade posted on YouTube,” per the New York Post. "I'm not gonna shut my mouth anymore. I can be called white, but you can't be called black. That's not my America. It's equality for all of us, and it's about time we all stood up for it … I was a second-class citizen before -- now I'm nothing."
 
“Her complaints came in response to the panel, which opposed Clinton's wishes to count the Michigan primary results - even though she was the only candidate on the ballot. Clearly irate that her candidate's chances to win the election had gone from bad to worse, the Clinton campaign volunteer warned that the Democratic Party would pay the price. ‘They think we won't turn and vote for McCain. Well, I've got news for all of you: McCain will be the next president of the United States,’” she said. The Post’s headline for the story: “Campaign worker’s rant is a disg-race.”

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I am so sick to death of sexist women out there. Why, just because I, and 17 million other Americans, have chosen to support Sen. Obama over Sen. Clinton, does that make me a sexist? How does that make Sen. Obama a sexist?

Look, the women out there who are crying gender-foul now are ridiculous because there didn't seem to be any "gender issues" when she was destroying Obama in the early polls. Does the fact that Rudy Giuliani was leading in the GOP polls but ended up getting destroyed in the voting mean that Republicans hate Mayors? Or New York? C'mon, folks, that's just stupid.

And another thing... Anyone who says s/he agrees with Sen. Clinton's positions but would rather vote for John McCain in the election is either a racist or a crybaby -- and either way is unworthy of this so-called right to vote.
This is just wasting the dems time!!

They need to be preparing for McClain and the republican party, yet that are still dealing with Hillary's tatics!!

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that was just the tip of the iceberg from Ms. Christian.  I sat right near her in the meeting, and trust me she had plenty more to say, including several boos at mentions of civil rights and mlk jr.  i'm not saying she's a racist, but there was clearly a racist undertone to her venom.  in sum, i believe she's convinced that barack obama is the great satan himself.  that's how deep the hatred was from this woman.  obviously she's upset that clinton is losing, but she really took it to far and got too personal.  very disturbing.
The Typical Hillary 'burn your bra' supporter.

In the Victorian Era, physicians incorrectly believed that an excess of estrogen in the blood stream caused irrational and illogical behavior and thought patterns...a tendency to cause trouble.  They diagnosed this condition as...

...hysteria.

We now know this condition to be a myth...though one might argue that Saturday demonstrated a reality.

I saw the videos of Harriet Christian and other women in the RBC meeting.  Their behavior was deplorable and I believe that if these are truly registered Democrats supporting Senator Clinton they did their candidate an incredible disservice.

The blind hatred with which people chanted, "Denver, Denver" at the end of the meeting is something I thought was reserved solely for the far-right wingnuts of the GOP.

While I do not envy the task the RBC was charged with on Saturday, I must both fault and commend the committee for one thing...the outbursts and disruptions during the meeting are intolerable and the room should have been cleared.  The committee is to be commended for exercising restraint and maintaining an open meeting.

To see reports that the committee had the votes necessary to make it a 50-50 delegate split for Michigan and to see further restraint by adopting the compromise was also encouraging.  The math the Clinton campaign now faces is clear...they had 13 Clinton supporters on the committee and only 8 members total voted against the Michigan solution.

That means that at least 5 of Senator Clinton's supporters voted in favor of the Michigan compromise.  Do they really want to challenge the result when faced with that result?
Ms. Christian,

Why is identity politics OK when Texans vote for a Texan, and Irish catholics vote for the Kennedys, etc.

Obama is winning this nominaiton by a landslide, when you consider that Hillary has no honorable path to catch him!
Brendan D, Niles, IL

And another thing... Anyone who says s/he agrees with Sen. Clinton's positions but would rather vote for John McCain in the election is either a racist or a crybaby -- and either way is unworthy of this so-called right to vote.


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Here we have typical Barack Obama supporter. They all have the attitude that "It's my way or the highway". Never can anyone disagree with messiah, ehh, Obama, and just have the Obama supporter agree to disagree. Just like with Obama's pastors Wright and Pfleger, if you don't agree with Obama, you are subject to ruthless personal attacks for your position. Obama supporters are too naive to understand that the attacks they make today on Hilary Clinton and her supporters will transfer many of those votes to McCain this fall.
While I sympathize with Harriet Christian about feeling like a second class citized demoted to "a nothing" how do you think the voters of Michigan really feel???
Are you really a believer that voters went to the polls to vote for Sen. Obama, and sadly missinformed about his absence from the ballot, didn't vote for Hillary for the sole purpose of voting for SOMEONE????
Not to mention the fact that "uncommitted" recieved such a great percentage of the votes cast.
Many would scream at the top of their lungs that this is NOT a vote for Sen. Obama. I DISAGREE.
Also neglecting to mention that Hillary AGREED, and furthermore STATED OUT LOUD with her own mouth that "Michigan would not count".
Only when she needed, in desperation, those votes did she care at all about the "disenfranchised voters"
She didn't give a thought to them until she needed them.
I don't trust any politician, office holder or candidate, who says one thing then does another.
And the threat to vote for McCain only leaves me with one lone thought;
Democrats who vote for McCain, and possibly get him elected, DESERVE four more years of Republican abuse.
What irritates me is that those "traitorious voters" are dragging the rest of us down with them.
Thanks a lot!!
Its hard to listen to these types of rants because while I understand the anger, the truth is, we expect our kindergarteners to act better.  That woman's remarks were disgraceful and plainly disrespectful.  Obama has not done anything to her, he has conducted himself with honor.  He has been MUCH more respectful of Clinton this campaign than she and her immediate family have been of him.

I am OFFENDED by that woman's remarks.  I am embarassed for my gender.

I do understand the anger but let's try and direct it appropriately.  Obama has not done a thing to those Clinton supporters.  What exactly has he done to deserve this wrath.

What makes me angry is that so much of this division has stemmed not from the media, not from the DNC, but directly from the Clinton campaign.  And they think they have the corner on anger?  Unbelievable.

I saw this coming, I saw this coming when I hit my tipping point in late Feb.  Why couldn't others see it, or could they?

If she is running for 2012, that's a mistake.  She has destroyed her name in this Party.  Obama didn't do it to her.  She did it to herself.  She had some help, it wasn't from Obama though.

People, take a break and really think about this.  I can understand you have anger, but take a hard look at where it should be channeled.

I won't suffer as much as others if the Dems don't win the White House.  But I do fear for our country and our personal freedoms.  I do fear for our country and its standing in the World.  And economically we will go down the toilet.

But be sure to do anything you can do to put another Republican in office...because, of course, you are angry and can't see your way clear to doing anything else.

It is shameful that it has come to this.  People get a grip.

One of the many white middle/older women for OBAMA (yes, we are here, not making a ruckus but we are here)
Can someone please tell me what the diffrence is between not counting my vote or allocating it for me, cause as a michigan voter it sure feels the same.
I could care less who goes to denver I just wanted a vote.
Radical feminists are the new "racists"
That's crazy, even when we found out from the DNC gave Michigan and Florida ample enough time to get their ducks in order, they chose not to.  

Yes, the voters are punished, but you get that when you don't pay attention to what is going on in your government.  It's not enough not to get involved.  

Race this, white that, black this and whatever!  When I stick my card in that damn pump at the gas station it is not discriminating one damn bit, we are all paying!

Let em' vote for McCain, that will really show the world how smart the women of this world really is!
This is the hate that the Clintons have been feeding in Ohio, PA., WV., & Ky.. But, the media turned a blind eye on this matter, they never questioned the Clintons on this kind of campaigning. Bring Father Flagler Back.
Now they are claiming they got bruises from being removed from the gallery. And, that they are voting for McCain, in spite of the Supreme Court issues, to make the Democrats pay. They are even claiming we can compare them to Rosa Parks civil disobedience. I'm embarrassed as a woman to have these nut cases representing us all! Hillary should have stopped these fanatics from what they were doing, it's disgraceful.
You goofy liberals have shown the country what you people are all about.  You claim to represent the people, yet you trashed a lot of voters wishes in Florida and Michigan.  You care nothing for this country and people will wake up and realize that a country under Liberal rule is a bad thing.
This was a compromise that Florida and Michigan did not rightly deserve.  For Hillary to claim she won all the votes, including the popular vote, when many people didn't even go to the polls and Obama wasn't on the ballot is delusional. Hillary started this circus 'every vote must count' while saying the caucas votes don't count. She truly is beginning to sound insane in her ambition to win. How could anyone even consider electing her to our highest office?
Here we have typical Barack Obama supporter. They all have the attitude that "It's my way or the highway". Never can anyone disagree with messiah, ehh, Obama, and just have the Obama supporter agree to disagree. Just like with Obama's pastors Wright and Pfleger, if you don't agree with Obama, you are subject to ruthless personal attacks for your position. Obama supporters are too naive to understand that the attacks they make today on Hilary Clinton and her supporters will transfer many of those votes to McCain this fall.
Alex Rota, Evanston, IL (Sent Monday, June 02, 2008 9:42 AM)

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"It's my way or the highway."

Alex, isn't that what the diehard Clinton supporters are saying when they talk about voting for McFlipflop in November?
Any woman who is a democrat and votes for John McCain, will have done a great disservice to all members of their gender.  Imagine you help put John McCain in the White House, and a womens right to choose is is further eroded, equal pay is eroded, are these the policies/laws that women want in this country?   If you want the rights that so many woman over the decades fought to obtain erroded, then please do vote for John McCain, I am sure he has your best interest at heart, just like GW Bush does.
LB, Virginia

I'm embarrassed as a woman to have these nut cases representing us all! Hillary should have stopped these fanatics from what they were doing, it's disgraceful.

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As near as I can tell, Hillary LOVES these supporters.  Has she, or her campaign, ever issued any kind of a statement that this type of outburst is inappropriate?  That's the difference between the two candidates in my mind.
Jerry,  are you wearing your flag pin today?  And why do you hate America?
Now they are claiming they got bruises from being removed from the gallery. And, that they are voting for McCain, in spite of the Supreme Court issues, to make the Democrats pay. They are even claiming we can compare them to Rosa Parks civil disobedience. I'm embarrassed as a woman to have these nut cases representing us all! Hillary should have stopped these fanatics from what they were doing, it's disgraceful.
LB, Virginia (Sent Monday, June 02, 2008 9:52 AM)

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Robert's Rules of Order state that a Sergeant-At-Arms may remove anyone who speaks without recognition from the chair.

Don't like the bruises?  Don't speak out of turn next time.
It saddens me that we are even talking about race and gender.  I voted for the candidate that I thought would be the best PERSON to bring the country together period.  Isn't that what an election is supposed to be?  As an American no one has the right to tell me who I should vote for.  
Ms. Christian is an embarassment to her candidate and to the country.  If she supports John McCain as a spite-vote when Obama has voted with Clinton something like 95% of the time - she is a bigger fool than her big mouth demonstrated with her post Rules Committee comments.  Anyone who would voluntarily vote to ruin America because her candidate lost is not fit to be an American.
How absolutely disgusting that this woman would make such a comment! Hilary and her band of sexists women are making all women look like gutles wonders! WE ARE NOT!!!! I am a 57 yr old WHITE woman and I think Obama is the answer to a lot of problems in this country. Clinton is just same ole, same ole. How pathetic the Clinton clan has become!
this is why they are angry...for those women that don't get it...it's really to bad.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/boy-boys-girls-2056513-women-obama
I wonder if that was Patty, sd, ca  *chuckle*
"It's my way or the highway."

Alex, isn't that what the diehard Clinton supporters are saying when they talk about voting for McFlipflop in November?
Pete - Albany, NY

No, not at all. I'm talking about how Obama and the Obama supporters behave. You seem to be on a different topic. Please, don't try to invalidate a specifc point by bringing up different topic. Obama has disrepected Clinton supporters to the point where many will not vote for him this fall. That adds up to a huge loss for the Democrats.
Hey hysterical, disgruntled, "bitter" women - please DO vote for McCain - go ahead ahd volunteer for him and show the world how smart you are by electing 4 more years of George Bush.  Wow - you ladies are REALLY smart and classy too... (not)
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I just recieved in the mail this morning a request to donate to the DNC.....  My repy; GO FISH!  

McCain not only will get my families contrabutions... but our VOTE!
Reverse sexism at its finest.


OBAMA 08
A write-up on sexism in the race... and where it came from:

http://bcq.newsvine.com/_news/2008/06/01/1527767-sexism-and-the-race-for-the-white-house
How can anyone support Clinton and vote for McCain???  Emotions aside, that is the most ignorant thing a person can do.

Do you not realize that 95% of Cliton's views and policies are IDENTICAL to Obama's?  How can you support Clinton and therefore her policies and then vote for McCain out of pure emotional nonsense, just because you are mad that she lost?

Talk about the hight of hipocracy.
APPAPRENTLY THIS WOMAN DOES NOT READ SHE WILL BE VOTING FOR MCCAIN WHO REFUSED TO RETURN TO WASHINGTON TO VOTE TO GIVE WOMEN EQUAL PAY RIGHTS, UNDER THE EQUAL PAY LAW.

I AM AMAZED THAT WOMEN ARE NOT INFORMED ABOUT THE REPUBLICANS BLOCKING THIS VOTE 2 WEEKS AGO.  THIS VOTE GOT NO PRESS, AND IT'S JUST PLAIN UNBELIEVEABLE

THE WOMEN IN THE STATE OF FL CALLED OUT SEN. MARTINEZ FOR VOTING AGAINST CONSIDERATION OF THIS BILL AND HE CLAIMED HE MISUNDERSTOOD THE BILL.  THE TAMPA TRIBUNE COVERED THE STORY.

THE WOMAN WHO FILED THIS SUIT WORKED 20 YEARS AND MADE LESS THAN 20% THAN THE MEN ON THE SAME JOB.  JUSTICE RUTH GINSBERG SENT THE COMPLAINT TO CONGRESS TO CORRECT THIS SITUATION BECAUSE THE SUPREME COURT WAS UNABLE TO CHANGE THE "TIME FILING RULES"  THE WOMAN FILING THE SUIT DIDN'T FIND OUT ABOUT THE PAY DIFFERENCE UNTIL AFTER THE DEADLINE TO FILE THE SUTI HAS EXPIRED.

IF WOMEN WANT TO THOW THEIR SUPPORT BEHIND SOMEONE WHO SAID SUPPORTING THIS BILL WILL CAUSE LAWSUITS, WELL THAT MEANS THAT SEN. MCCAIN AND PRESIDENT BUSH FEEL CERTAIN THAT EMPLOYERS WILL NOT GIVE WOMEN EQUAL PAY FOR THE SAME JOB BECAUSE IF THEY THOUGHT THEY WOULD THERE WOULD BE NO LAWSUITS TO FILE.

SO WOMEN VOTE FOR SEN. MCCAIN AND CONTINUE TO BE PUSHED TO THE BACK OF THE LINE IN THE PAY SCALE.  THIS WOMAN MADE 20% LESS AFTER 20 YEARS ON THE JOB WHICH AFFECTS THE AMOUNT SHE RECEIVES IN SOCIAL SECURITY AND PENSION BENEFITS.  BOTTOM LINE THE MEN WILL GET 20% MORE.

THIS SITUATION PROVES THAT ONE SHOULD NOT GET ANGRY AND SAY THINGS BEFORE THEY CHECK OUT THE CANDIDATE.
Where is this claim that Obama has in any way disrespect Clinton or her supporters?  If anything, the opposite is the truth.

Show me one example.  Just one.

Obama has been more than gracious everytime he speaks of her.  He always congratulates her on her wins.  He showers her with compliments everytime her name comes up.

Clinton on the other hand is the one that has nothing but negative things to say.  Has not one time - NOT ONE TIME - congratulated Obama on a win.

Obama is the one that is gracious and complimentory, while Clinton is the bitter woman that spews vinom at every opportunity.

Where is this delusion tha Obama is somehow being the negative one coming from?
I've run into a few Harriets in the course of this campaign. It is as much a generational issue as anything else. After decades of seeing everything in terms black and white and thinking that shouting down your opponents with the most hateful garbage possible, it goes to show that some people are just set in their ways and logic be damned. Go ahead Harriet! Vote for McCain. That way, when more Alitos and Scalias get appointed to the Supreme Court, all of those women who see their rights whittled away as a result can thank ranting sexist, racist, nutballs like Geraldine Ferraro and yourself. The death of every American soldier who remained in Iraq because you didn't get your way in the nominating process will be on your conscience if you have one. And the plight of every middle class American who is struggling financially because he or she lost his job, can't sell his house, or afford to fill up his car with gas because of the pro corporate philosophy of people like John McCain will forever remain on your shoulders. But you won't care. Because you didn't get your way and in your own little world, that is all that matters
The Hillary women who are so venomous are using Obam's face for the face of all of the men who have made them feel like second hand citizens.   That is why her appeal is so strong in uneducated white women.   They have long been accepting of the "barefoot and pregnant" stereotype.  Woman who have been educated tend to be out in the workplace and know that you don't NEED a man to succeed or approve.  I dont want any man telling ME what choices I should make for my own body.  That is between me and my God.  If Hillary and I were twins, and she was losing, i would still NEVER vote for a man who wants that power over my reproduction.  If Hillary supporters would just hink, they would realize that a vote for McCain is once again accepting the male dominance you are accusing Obama of.  Just think.  Who got you where you are in life, unhappy and angry?  Not Obama, but the men in your life.  Clean your own house, before you try to destroy ours.
PA voter, just the type of voter John McCain looks for, spelling contributions, "contrabutions".  Not smart enough to spell, so why would you understand anything about what a vote for John McCain will do to this country.
Why isn't this crap captured on tape being run 24/7 on every news outlet (ala Wright, Flagler)?  These are people that HRC wanted there and her campaign organized to be thereand LIED that she had nothing to do with any of HER SUPPORTERS showing up to protest.

Personal attacks?  Are you kidding?  Now we have people that are so stupid in this country that they fail to see the repeated personal attacks by the Clintons and their surrogates?

Race?  Obama and his supporters have tried like hell to keep race out of this.  They know that it is a 3rd rail issue for white voters.  The Clintons and their Fox allies KNOW this.  They have made efforts to introduce it whenever possible.  They have been BEGGING (DARING) Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton to get involved as the final nail in the coffin.  They have exploited the Wright situation to their gain.

Ms. Christian would call this "good politics" I suppose.

Let's see, you have a woman who many considered the presumptive nominee with a "to super tuesday strategy", with all the name recognition in the world, the largest national political machine of any of the candidates in either party, suddenly find herself on the outside looking in.

She hasn't stood a chance at winning the nomination (remember you need delegates) since about the first of March, yet she continues to stir things up and weaken the democrats chances in November.  That's not to mention the millions of donations/dollars she is wasting.  No one is saying shut up and go home because she is a woman.  Some may have been saying that before the election recognizing her as possible one of the worst chances the democrats had in November.  No, they're telling her to turn the page because what SHE is doing is costing the democrats the nomination.  

The LIARS can say what they want about MI and FL.  The decision there is not causing them to lose in Nov. The LIARS have recently tried to pin the entire MI and FL debacle on Obama - as if he is the reason those "elections" (why are they called that again?) were screwed up?

Why don't the LIARS ever mention the people who didn't vote because their state parties and the DNC told them that their vote for the democrat nominee would not count?

Why don't the LIARS ever mention that HRC pledged that she would not campaign and she pledged that the votes in MI and FL would not count for anything and now they count for everything (when she needs them)?

HRC and the rest of the LIARS want everyone to believe that Obama and the media are picking on her over FL and MI (as we all know, playing the victim is the best path to the White House).  Lets look at it like honest Americans who support fair play.

1.) The states of MI and FL took steps that they knew would put them in hot water with the DNC.  The DNC said they would not honor the their results.  BOTH candidates agreed.

2.) Based on 1, do we really need a 2?  OK, for all you dishonest or unobjective Americans who do not believe in fair play I guess we can add other things.

3.) Neither candidate "campaigned" in either state.  That means that the "election" is then primarily based on name recognition.  In January (perhaps even today), most rational people would assume that HRC had more name recognition than Sen. Obama.  Remember, there was an unbelievable percentage of American voters in 2000 that thought that they were voting for the elder Bush when they pulled the lever for GWB.  That's how HRC wants to win - no campaigning, just do it with name recognition.  Again, they exploit the time-proven and studied voting practices - name-recognition can "earn you" a lot of votes.

4.) Voters knew in advance that the vote wouldn't count.  Many registered voters that would have otherwise voted, didn't vote for a nominee or didn't vote at all (why bother, not going to count).

5.) Some voters in MI whether they realized the vote was going to count or not when looking at "Clinton" or "Uncommitted" probably followed another trend found in the voting booth - "you gotta vote for somebody" - and pulled the lever for HRC.

All this fuss.  All this wasted donated campaign money.  All this erosion of the support.  All the lies.

These are the election results that HRC thinks are "democratic".  These are the sorts of "elections" that gave Saddam Hussein 96% of vote in Iraq.  I guess he ran a good campaign, too.

HRC, Ms. Christian, and other HRC supporters/LIARS can make it about gender.  They can make it about FL & MI.  They can make it about the media (except Fox of course).  They can make it about race (in a whispering campaign).  Why can't it be about HRC not getting as many delegates as Obama and the race being all but over in early March.  Since that time HRC has practiced a scorched Earth strategy and wasted millions of donated campaign dollars along with eroding the support of the eventual nominee?

Why does HRC and her supporters have to be sore losers?  She wants to "fight for us" in the White House?  While it is yet another lie, taking her at her word, what she is doing is ensuring that no one will fight for us or that our best bet is that McCain will fight for us.
This is very disturbing. I really blame the Hillary camp for cheering on this type of behavior.  While the Obama camp was clear that it did not support any of his supporters protesting the other side was fully supportive knowing quite well that there supporters are quite angry.  No class what so ever. I'm very ashamed for us women this makes us look so bad. I'm glad I voted for Obama.
Was there sexism in the campaign coverage by the media. Yes.  But that was not why the campaign did not win.  

That does not make up for the terrible campaign that Hillary ran.  She ignored the caucus states.  Her campaign did not know the rules in allocating delegates.  They wasted huge amounts of money.  They did not know how to manage the message from surragates (especially Bill).  The assumed that the campaign would be a cake walk and did not plan for any bumps in the road.

There is no test to see if one is ready to be President except for how they run their campaign.  Obama won that hands down.

Hillary campaign did a better job from March onward.  But the hole was too deep.

It is like in football.  If you get blown out in the 1st half by 40 points and start to come back in the second half but still loose.  Do not blaime the refs for a bad call in the 4th quarter.  The game was lost much earlier.

Hillary's volunteers, do not blaime Obama, the media or Hillary.  It is over, lets come together a form an allstar team.  Hillary may or maynot be on the ticket.  But if she is not, her expertise will be needed to champion healthcare reform in the Senate.

A McCain Presidency will mean no end in the war, overturning of Row v Wade, no healthcare reform, no relief in the credit and housing crisis, just more of the same.

The dream of a woman President is not dead.  It just did not happen this year.  The Clinton campaign has made it certain that it will happen.  When I do not know.  But it will happen.

The Clinton campaign was successful.  It made a big difference.  Thanks for your enthusiasm.
The Clintons will do all they can to derail Sen. Obama's chances in the general election. They will not unite with the party or encourage their supporters to support Sen Obama. The new Mantra will be Hiliary 2012. Remember, how they act now should have alot to do with how democrats treat them in the future.
I was appalled by Harold Ickes outrageous grandstanding!  He was playing to the crowd for Hillary Clinton's ambitions at the expense of the Democratic Party's success in taking back this Presidency and repairing the damage done to this country by the Republicans.  

AND now Hillary Clinton is lying about the popular vote, which has no bearing whatsoever on who our party nominates!

The Clinton campaign and supporters seem determined to sabotage the Democrats' chances in the general election if she is not the nominee.  What does that tell you and the other Super Delegates?!

First,  the Clinton's said they wanted the FL and MI delegates seated; and when the Committee gave them what they wanted by seating the delegates (even though these states broke the rules), AND the Committee gave Clinton a proportional share in FL, AND the Obama campaign graciously did not squabble over the 50/50 split in MI and gave Clinton the most delegates there (despite the fact that Obama was not even on the ballot!), Ickes had the gall and the nerve to make it sound as if Clinton was cheated and somehow Obama was responsible for hijacking the nomination!??!

Hillary Clinton has gone too far and has succeeded in giving the Women's Movement a bad name!

I am outraged at the recent behavior of the Clinton's and their campaign!  And every Democrat who genuinely loves this country should be outraged too.

A White Female over 60!
Joanne Gordon
Alex, you've mentioned something that I feel need clarification, or at least a response.
In your first post you mention, "Obama's pastors Wright and Pfleger."  Pfleger was a guest preacher at Trinity, so he's not and should not be confused with somebody who is closely related to Obama or his views.  In fact, Pfleger is Catholic, while Trinity is a Protestant church.
I also hope some of the voters of West Virginia, some of whom even mentioned this in interviews, read this and finally realize that Obama is not a Muslim.
The Florida and Michigan primaries should not be counted.  Why? Because the intial ruling of the DNC stated to voters, candidates and party leaders, and frankly the entire country that they would not count.  This cause 'voter supression' and 'supression of voter choice' which caused the results to be skewed so that they are not a 'fair and true representation of the will of the voters' in EITHER state.
No delegates should have been restored based on these primaries because they were skewed. The Michigan decision was at least an attempt to be fair and an acknowledgement that the results of that primary were flawed  But the same was true of Michigan even if it wasn't the fault of the voters and the republican leaders moved the primary up... the voters were still told that their primary would not be counted and this DID have an effect on the results.  There is NO WAY to fairly include Florida and Michigan in the popular vote totals and there is NO WAY to truly account for the voters of caucus states that do not track the voter count because 'it's about the delegates'.
I am furious with Senator Clinton for trying to make the claim of victory on such questionable data.  It is disturbing and I am disgusted.  There is not party unity for me because I will have nothing to do with the Clintons.  Things could not be worse in my opinion.
I don't understand where all this sexism talk is coming from but I can guarantee you this, if women continue to act as irrational as they are right now (and they might want to reconsider)and continue to show all this anger, I suspect it will be a long time coming before anyone considers voting for them again.  Can you imagine this anger in the white house??  

This anger is completely unnecessary and all because you lost.  Really now.  Be reasonable and start acting like a responsible adult and quit throwing a tantrum.


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