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First thoughts: The end game

Posted: Monday, June 02, 2008 9:15 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, and Domenico Montanaro
*** The end game: With Florida and Michigan now resolved, and with the magic number now at 2,118 delegates, the focus is all about the end game -- for Clinton and Obama. Let’s start first with Hillary, who still has a mathematical shot at the nomination, but it’s the longest of longshots: To clinch the Democratic nomination, she needs to win about 87% of the remaining delegates. Given those odds, how does she end this thing? While there are plenty of hints today from some of her top supporters (like Ed Rendell and Debbie Wasserman Schultz) that Clinton won’t take this to the convention, it’s also clear that she and her campaign aren’t leaving without a fight. Examples: 1) Harold Ickes declaring that Clinton reserves her right to take that fight to the convention over four Michigan delegates; 2) the campaign implicitly linking Obama with George McGovern by stating that the last time the Democrats didn’t give the nomination to the candidate who won the most votes was in 1972; 3) Clinton demonstrating that superdelegates can change their mind by introducing one such super who has switched from Clinton to Obama and then back to Clinton; and 4) her victory speech yesterday from Puerto Rico, in which she said in the end: “Let’s keep fighting. Let’s keep fighting. Let's keep fighting. Let's keep fighting.” Clinton certainly has the opportunity to make bygones be bygones -- as well as quell the resentment brewing among some of her ardent female supporters -- but when does she do this? And what does she say? For yet another hint at what Clinton's week is going to look like, Terry McAuliffe announced on Morning Joe that Clinton will be giving her Tuesday night victory speech in her elective office home state: New York.

VIDEO: During an interview on Morning Joe, Clinton campaign chair Terry McAuliffe announces that Clinton will give her Tuesday primary speech in New York.

*** Looking for that movie-ending moment: Meanwhile, as Obama looks to be a shoo-in as his party’s nominee (he needs just 41.5 delegates to hit the new magic number), it’s also undeniable that he’s limping as he approaches the finish line. Including Clinton’s 68%-32% win in Puerto Rico yesterday, the New York senator has won more than half of the contests since March, some by lopsided margins. His campaign might not admit it, but Obama needs to pick up enough superdelegates today and Tuesday (about one an hour, actually) to be able to declare victory -- or something like it -- after the South Dakota and Montana primaries tomorrow night, when he speaks from the same arena where the Republicans will hold their convention in September. Tuesday night provides him perhaps his last chance for a movie-ending moment before we head into the general election. Will he get it? The chances are better than 50-50, so claim those who know. But watch those superdelegate endorsements today and tomorrow. So far this morning, he has received two of them: DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee member Jerome Wiley Segovia (VA) and Nancy DiNardo (CT).

*** Where we stand: Obama is ahead in pledged delegates per the NBC hard count (1,729 to 1,625), Edwards’ pledged delegates (16.5-0), superdelegates (331 to 293), overall delegates (2,076.5 to 1,918), the popular vote by 138,931 (17,304,352 to 17,165,421), and the total number of contests won (32 to 21). Two notes: 1) we’re not including Texas in this contest count, given that Clinton won the primary but Obama won the caucus and netted the most total Texas delegates, and 2) after Saturday’s DNC decision, we’re now counting Florida and Michigan as wins for Clinton -- but, per guidance from the DNC, we’re including Florida’s popular vote but not Michigan’s.

VIDEO: NBC Political Director Chuck Todd gives his first read on the possibility of Obama clinching a majority of delegates within the next 48 hours and Clinton's argument that she has won the popular vote.

*** Analyzing that popular vote: Here’s some more on the popular vote now that it has become the Clinton campaign’s chief talking point: If you count Puerto Rico -- which won’t participate in the general election -- Clinton leads by just 2,731 votes (17,428,541 vs. 17,425,810). When you add the Michigan results and don’t give Obama “Uncommitted,” Clinton’s lead increases to 330,882 (17,756,692 vs. 17,425,810). So it’s quite likely after the Montana and South Dakota results that the only metric showing her leading the popular vote is when you include Michigan. Keep in mind that if you do give Clinton the most generous count including Michigan, Obama’s lead in delegates is actually bigger -- percentage wise -- than Clinton’s lead in total votes.

*** I want my four delegates! After Saturday’s deal on Florida and Michigan, we heard two different questions. One, why did Ickes and the Clinton campaign make such a big deal over four Michigan delegates, especially considering that Clinton trails Obama by about 160 delegates? "This motion will hijack, hijack, remove four delegates won by Hillary Clinton,” Ickes said on Saturday. Two, why didn’t the Obama camp just cave in and give Clinton those four delegates, but make sure it ended up with Michigan’s “Uncommitted” vote? Of course, cynics might say that Team Clinton would have complained about that compromise, too…But there's an argument that both sides were being petty, and the Republicans watching the Saturday DNC meeting were smiling because it was a picture of a party that's potentially going to stay divided for some time.

*** Don’t forget about Ron Paul: With all the talk that Clinton might take the fight to the Democratic convention over those four delegates, it could very well be that Ron Paul ends up creating the more contentious convention. Here’s what Paul told Newsweek about his plans at the GOP convention. “We'll have a big rally there one of the days. Since they won't give us a spot, we'll make our own spot. We won't disrupt things -- that doesn't achieve anything. But we'll have a presence and present views and try to … get in on the committees to vote on platforms. That's not disruptive.” The media can gravitate to sideshows at conventions when there's nothing serious to cover. The McCain folks, no doubt, are very nervous that Paul forces of elected enough McCain delegates at GOP state conventions to create floor chaos. There's nothing official these Paul folks can do, but you don't need a rule to become disruptive.

*** The play for Jewish voters: Today, McCain gives the keynote address at the AIPAC conference in DC; Obama speaks to the group on Wednesday. According to advanced excerpts of his remarks, McCain will hit Obama -- once again -- over his position of meeting unconditionally with Iran, and he will say that the better response is sanctioning the country. “Rather than sitting down unconditionally with the Iranian president or supreme leader in the hope that we can talk sense into them, we must create the real-world pressures that will peacefully but decisively change the path they are on.  Essential to this strategy is the UN Security Council, which should impose progressively tougher political and economic sanctions.  Should the Security Council continue to delay in this responsibility, the United States must lead like-minded countries in imposing multilateral sanctions outside the UN framework… As a further measure to contain and deter Iran, the United States should impose financial sanctions on the Central Bank of Iran, which aids in Iran’s terrorism and weapons proliferation.  We must apply the full force of law to prevent business dealings with Iran’s Revolutionary Guard Corps.” And: “We should privatize the sanctions against Iran by launching a worldwide divestment campaign.”

*** Heroes and Legends? Get to know these names: Justin Johnson (WI); Matt Mason (OH), Robert Bozzuto (PA), Alexis Valdez (NM), James Garcia (CO) and Jessica Patterson (NV). These are among the state directors the RNC announced today for the general-election campaign. These six folks are running among the most closely contested states McCain and Obama could be fighting over. One or more of these six could be party heroes and end up becoming legends in their own times. No offense to the other state directors the RNC launched, but these six could be in charge of campaigns that are decided by the smallest of margins.

*** On the trail: Clinton campaigns in South Dakota, where she attends rallies in Rapid City, Yankton, and Sioux Falls (at that final stop with Bill and Chelsea); McCain, after giving the keynote address at the AIPAC conference, heads to Nashville, TN to campaign and raise money there; and Obama does a town hall in Troy, MI. Also, Bill Clinton makes six campaign stops in South Dakota, the last of which is in Sioux Falls with his wife.

Countdown to Montana, South Dakota: 1 day
Countdown to Election Day 2008: 155 days
Countdown to Inauguration Day 2009: 232 days
 
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Comments

Don't give Clinton anything, except an appointment to a good psychiatrist: she's clearly being consumed by her own psychotic ambition and needs help. (Oh, and a divorce would probably do her a world of good, too. Two compulsive liars in the same family is one too many.)
I agree with Alex.  She has no desire to heip the Democratic Party.  I see her going off and becoming an independent and trying to start her own party.  Let her.  At the rate she is going, she won't even be electable as a small city mayor.  Clinton's irrational thinking is costing her more than I know she wants to pay, but of course Senator Obama will be given the blame for it all.  She is demolishing her own career all by herself with her ridiculous choices and stupid decisions.  It is clear that this irrational, irregular thinking woman is not suited for the presidency of the United Sates.  Senator Obama has been more than gracious, tolerant and accommodating with her in every area of this campaign.  She is and continues to be rude, disrespectful and mean-spirited towards him.  I dislike her more every day for her pathetic rebel-rousing and undignified behavior.  She does never represent me as a woman.
I agree with Alex.  She has no desire to heip the Democratic Party.  I see her going off and becoming an independent and trying to start her own party.  Let her.  At the rate she is going, she won't even be electable as a small city mayor.  Clinton's irrational thinking is costing her more than I know she wants to pay, but of course Senator Obama will be given the blame for it all.  She is demolishing her own career all by herself with her ridiculous choices and stupid decisions.  It is clear that this irrational, irregular thinking woman is not suited for the presidency of the United Sates.  Senator Obama has been more than gracious, tolerant and accommodating with her in every area of this campaign.  She is and continues to be rude, disrespectful and mean-spirited towards him.  I dislike her more every day for her pathetic rebel-rousing and undignified behavior.  She does never represent me as a woman.
God Bless Senator Kennedy, his wife and children, his family and his Dr's. today as he undergoes surgery and starts his treatments for this terrible disease.

Obama '08

Harold Ickes is a big cry baby.  He couldn't even win his wonelection when he ran in North Carolina a few years ago. Personally, I'm glad to see Terry McCauliffe not the chair of the DNC. He did such a great job the last two elections when they should have been a cake walk. The Clinton machine was a little to cocky and never thought in their wildest dreams that they would ever seriously get challenged. Well, they did. And, they got beat by a better organized team that stayed on message whipped them at the caucus game and also in fundraising. I think people are actually tired of Bush, Clinton, Bush Clinton. Especially, George W. After eight years of his misery, people just are looking for common sense and maybe somebody that has some brains.
Sen. Clinton is NOT going to be a unifying force for the Democratic Pary. She's going to continue to selfishly drag the party down any way she can. Bank on it.
This is off topic, but right now Bush is conducting a ceremony to posthumously award the Medal of Honor to another young hero's family.  Every time Bush does something like this, it makes my blood boil, and I get physically ill.  As a mother of 3 sons, my heart breaks for the family who lost theirs.  How can Bush sleep at night?  How can we consider electing another warmonger?  

Vote for Wisdom - Obama
Calling the race close is a lie.

A foot race is often won by a split second. A basketball game by a 2 pointer that beats the buzzer; the same thing in hockey except the point differential is even lower. In boxing, a tie means a loss to the challenger.

By that measure, Obama is winning by a landslide. He's up by more than 150 delegates. He's won double the states. He's ahead in the popular vote. She has been behind for five months, with no honorable path to victory.

Hillary is not a fighter. What has she been doing about Health Care, since she failed to achieve it as first lady? Nothing. She's a quitter.

Her marathon bid to be President, has more to do with stubborn ambition. Hillary is addicted to her power fantasy.
Obama,a dark horse? Will it all come out in the wash? McCain just maybe to stumble. Choice of running mate will be critical, People are harder to find with a brain.
Hillary now fading, But the revenge factor has not kicked in yet!
Let's see if you are still blessing Keith Olberman in November when he is announcing that John McCain has just been elected President! Because that is just what has happened and the DNC has caused it.  What  a bunch of MORONS!
I see huge differences between Messrs. Bush and McCain and I am a conservative.  Is it possible that it's not Mr. McCain but ANYONE the Republican Party nominates who would be said to be the "third term"?  I understand the differences between the two parties, but does that give us license to project "sameness" to the candidates.  I would be willing to have a President Obama in my livingroom for the next term; however, Mrs. Clinton is unwelcome.  I can see that differences.  It appears that emotions are running amuck and although this is an important election cycle, as Americans, let's try to be objective, see our goals and go about obtaining them in a thoughful, adult way.  Name calling is so immature.  Let's all please grow up and be an example to our children.  
We all know the media doesn't want it to be over, they wouldn't have anymore gossip, and garbage to write about.  By the way, Ron Paul is still running!!
Hillary is nothing if not consistent; she remains divisive until the end (with her insulting George McGovern comments). Ed Rendell seems to be among the few in her camp who is firmly planted in reality. What good does fighting over four delegates do? HILLARY'S ENDGAME IS NOT HELPING UNIFY THE PARTY!

Also, I think Hillary's math is rubbing off on the MSM. The media narrative that Obama is limping toward the nomination is unfair, as, obviously, the media had to start counting in March or some other arbitrary moment to draw that conclusion. (Is the media, in a manner similar to Hillary, not counting primaries and caucuses from January through February?) And what will the MSM say when Obama wins Montana and possibly South Dakota on Tuesday? Regardless, Obama has won more states than Hillary. Period.

The last contests pointed out some of Obama's weaknesses, BUT they also pointed out some of Hillary's. Why is there no constant drumbeat about Hillary's inability to attract black voters, young voters or white wealthy voters?

I cannot wait until the end of the week. I've learned things I never wanted to know about how America elects a president, how the media selects its narrative, about the prejudices that still exist in this country, and about the Clintons.
The popular vote DOES NOT include all caucus states and the popular vote from Florida and Michigan would have been different had Obama campaigned there.


Obama '08
You can fool some of the people all of the time, but you cannot fool all the people all of the time. Puerto Ricans see Obama for what he is, a do nothing, talk a lot about little, candidate.  

REAL people want a REAL person NOT a "phenomenon."

Go Hillary.
Senator Clinton has stated “she would work her heart out for the nominee…”

It is time for her to show that these were not “just WORDS”!!!
How many of you guys agree with me that she won't actually "concede"?  My prediction is that she will "suspend" her campaign and half/a#% get behind Obama.  But behind the scenes we will still be hearing negative tones coming thru that will ultimately undermine Obama and the party.  Agree or disagree?
Hillary's goal here is obvious - cause enough problems to make sure that if she doesn't win that no Democrat wins.  Why?  Because, if Obama loses in November Hillary gets to run in 4 years, and he'll be out of the picture for good.  If he wins, her next POTUS shot - 2016.  
It would have been interesting to see if the fiasco with Rev Wright and his comments he made while out in California would have happened BEFORE most of his primary wins.  Something to ponder...
What bothers me the most is that Obama hasn't done a thing to Hillary Clinton that deserves this wrath, not a thing...he has campaigned VERY respectfully, even when she has all-out attacked.  And this is partly why he has engendered such support.  You can run a (relatively) clean campaign and win.

He has done nothing to deserve this animous, this wrath, this anger.

People should really think about that.  And then ask yourself about the Clinton campaign's motives.
Lisa, New Britain, CT...really really really for Obama :) (Sent Monday, June 02, 2008 9:59 AM)
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Lisa,

The only explanation that might explain HRC motives is that she campaigned and endorsed Obama when he originally ran for the senate.  And now that he surpassed her, she feels slighted.

As Bill Clinton stated, and I'm paraphrasing, " Running for the highest office in the land is a contact sport.  If you can't stand getting hit, don't put on the uniform."

HRC is losing this game and the last seconds will tick off the clock Tuesday.  Good riddance!

Sen. Clinton has sadden many of her once supporters.  Sen. Clinton told us the FL & MI fight was about the people of those states.  

If that were true, then why is Icke and Clinton threatening to fight for MI who brought the plan they drafted, had approved and implemented.

Since the people of MI are satisfied and their spokesman clearly stated that MI will get behind the nominee of the party whats' Hillary Beef?

The Gov. Of Mich, a CLinton supporter submitted the plan approved by the Committee after having appointed AN INDEPENDENT COMMITTEE to draft this plan using tools that they felt were appropriate.

If the Gov. of Mich. A Clinton supporter is staisfied that the plan the State of Mich submitted, again then why are Icke, Tina, the attorney and Clinton still outraged?

The only conclusion, the FL & MI fight was never about the people of those states it was about Sen. Clinton and her political aspirations.  

After having  gotten behind in the votes, and saying an signing a document pledging that FL & MI did not count, Clinton took up the FL & MI cause stating that it was about disfranchising the Voters, however since the States are indeed satisfied why is Sen. Clinton still complaining.

Sen. Clinton's own supporters overwhelmingly supported both states proposals.

The Answer is as many suspected, it was never about FL & MI it's always been about Sen. Clinton and her personal political agenda.

Perhaps the people of FL & MI really understand now since they have moved on in an effort of unifying the Party.  Good for them
Jennifer, Detroit (Sent Monday, June 02, 2008 9:32 AM)
Great work, Dems!  You're about to nominate the lamest candidate since George McGovern.

Jennifer:

And you are a lame excuse for a voter. A typical Hillary supporter repeating what Hillary says or implies instead of being able to think on one's own.

As for those crazy people (majority females) screaming "vote for McCain" when the Michigan/Florida issued was resolved.....go ahead and vote McCain and live with the consequences for the next 4 to 8 years you idiots. Go ahead and vote for more war, no national health care, continued tax breaks for the rich, poor economic policies, war with Iran, poor environmental policies, invasion into your rights to chose as a female, continued poor educational system for your kids, continued poor treatment of our returning veterans, more US jobs being shipped overseas, more lies and corruption in governement, etc. etc. You crazys just go right ahead and vote McCain. You deserve him. But don't you dare whine about it a few years down the road. You could have had a President (Obama) whose policy proposals are pretty well identical to those of Hillarys. But then  you guys don't read and listen to the facts do you? It's all about gender and personalities. How sad you are as voters.    
Chuck,
Thanks for clarifying how the popular votes is being calculated so far.  As for Clinton, she had her opportunity to gracefully bow out.  I still would have thought of her as a fighter more so, if she bowed out weeks ago.  But that period of time that exists till now, she's coming off more like an unstable figure that I wouldn't want to have anywhere near the white house or in a decision making arena.  And in regard to comments above, I don't want to see her anywhere near a ticket or even in a cabinet position.  This needs to be Obama's people, and Hillary is just too devisive and she doesn't play well with others.  I'm looking forward to my own celebration once Obama declares victory on Tuesday.  Then all the Hillary people can live in their own self dilluted world.
As I understand the math, Clinton has wins the popular vote only by NOT COUNTING caucus states.  This is simply more duplicity by Clinton.  She demands that the votes in Florida and Michigan be counted, claiming that she does not want to disenfranchise the voters in Florid in Michigan.  She then turns around and disenfranchises the voters in Iowa, Maine and various other states by not counting us in her vote total. Also, she claims that caucuses are undemocratic because there are no absentee ballots, so shut-in and shift workers can't vote.  I don't know about other states, but that is not true in Maine.  There ARE absentee ballots in Maine for the caucus.  Lets face it, Clinton doesn't care about Florida, Michigan or disenfranchising anyone.  She wants the nomination regardless of how many lies, or twists of the truth it takes. Everbody claims the media loves Obama, but I'm yet to see anyone call Clinton on this duplicity.
McCain has NO CHANCE in Wisconsin if Obama is the nominee, NO CHANCE.  The two biggest electorates in Wisconsin, Milwaukee and Madison, are nothing more than Illinois North.  Two Democratic Senators, Democratic Governor, Democratic mayor in Milwaukee, Democratic Congress woman....except for the Senators....all have already declared for Obama.
todd, what's the latest info on how Montana and SD are going to come out?
Anne in PA,

That is not correct that DNC was trying to push out women.  It speaks VOLUMES that the one who proposed .5 vote delegation with Michgan democratic party recommendation for the RBC was indeed a woman and supporter of Hillary Clinton.

According to rules in selecting a nominee for the party - the person who hits 2118 is declared the winner.  Barack is not just a little closer - he is a lot closer - despite what Clinton campaign says.

What the RBC did on Saturday was unify the party and Ickles wanted nothing to do with it.

The story of Saturday was really 5 out of 13 Clinton supports abandoned the Clinton camp.  Why?  Because it was becoming very clear the Clinton insiders were attempting to split the party into camps to keep this thing going.

What we saw was a message to Ickles and crowd that we don't want fight at convention....and if threathen that - the DNC will take action.  They called his Ickles intimation move - and 5 Hillary supporters agreed that was wrong thing to do.
Anne in PA..

I truly understand your frustration and argument.  But I have to say to you as an African American and descendent of slaves in this country our frustration is SIMILAR, if not equal.  We are both in a minority!! Lets just be honest all the president since 1776 have been WHITE MEN!!  If Hillary would have won the nomination, I would have voted for her, but being that Barack is going to be the nominee I feel like in either scenario we as a country have made GREAT progress.  I truly believe that if Barack wins the presidency that it will open the door of opportunity to ALL minorities(blacks, women, hispanics, etc)  The democratic nominee represents SO much change regardless of the cnadidate this term.. PLEASE think about this because women like Hillary are getting closer and closer to having a piece of the pie.. The only way you can be disappointed with Barack Obama winning the nomination over Hillary in light of what I said you would just absolutely have to neglect the fact that his is a MINORITY just like Hillary..


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