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Who's dropping out?

Posted: Monday, June 02, 2008 4:21 PM by Domenico Montanaro

From NBC’s Christina Jamison, Ron Allen and NBC/NJ’s Mike Memoli
On the plane just now flying from Rapid City, S.D., to Sioux Falls, S.D., campaign spokesman Mo Elleithee maintained that Clinton is not getting out of the race tomorrow night -- or anytime soon.

Elleithee said as long as there is still no nominee (and incidentally he wouldn't say the campaign acknowledges a delegate number at which there will be a nominee), the senator will be making the case on the phone to committed and uncommitted superdelegates and uncommitted delegates.

He repeatedly said there will be "an ongoing dialogue" with committed and undeclared superdelegates.

Clinton has no public schedule beyond Wednesday, where she speaks at the AIPAC conference in Washington, D.C. Tomorrow, Clinton will spend the day at home in Chappaqua, N.Y. doing local radio in MT and SD, as well as making political calls. Bill Clinton, campaign aides believe, will be home with her, as well as daughter Chelsea.

When asked about reports the campaign has invited top donors to Tuesday night's celebration, and whether that signals an end to the campaign, Elleithee said donors are invited in every state the night of the primary and this is nothing new.

He insisted the e-mail to advance staff offering flights to New York or home was just to give them an option as "this phase of the campaign" wraps up.
 
So what's next?
 
The campaign plans an aggressive outreach to undeclared superdelegates, including many currently committed to Obama. Both Hillary and Bill Clinton are expected to be working the phones for most of the day. 
 
The campaign says it does not expect there will be a nominee after tomorrow night, and when asked about the magic number 2,118, Elleithee indicated that number may change depending on what Clinton decides to do about Michigan.

“She is, in the coming days, going to be aggressively courting superdelegates and unpledged delegates," Elleithee said, adding emphatically that there will be no nominee after tomorrow.

What if Obama reaches 2,118 and declares victory? The answer is basically that Clinton will deal with that when and should it happen.
 
The mantra is that Clinton will fight on especially for superdelegates until there's a nominee. But with Clinton hedging on whether she'll appeal the DNC's Michigan decision, it's unclear what she thinks actually determines when there's a nominee.
 
The spokesman wasn't clear about how an appeal would take place, saying check with the DNC -- perhaps only when the Credentials Committee is formed, and that's perhaps eight weeks ahead of the convention.
 
No word on future travel plans despite being asked numerous times about various scenarios like traveling to key battleground states, or whether she'd be focusing solely on McCain.
 
As Clinton said herself yesterday, "It’s not over until it’s over," and she's a person who takes things one day at a time. And as of now, insisting she's still determined to win, and believes she can.

There was a lot of parsing on when -- or if -- she will acknowledge there is a nominee, given that she has reserved the right to appeal the Michigan ruling, and her statement that superdelegates can change their minds, that it's not over until the votes are counted.

When asked, based on all that, if one could only infer that she wants only a convention vote to determine the nominee, and he demurred. Asked what happens if the leadership of the party (Pelosi, Reid, et al.) come out and end it, he said that many times in this campaign, people declared it over.

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Pat - Boston MA

I couldn't have said it better myself - everytime you think we're down on the count - Axelrod pulls it out!  I'm always telling my husband the man is a absolute genious - being from Chicago - I was under the impression that he worked on at least one of the Clinton campaigns in the 90's... Do you know if there's any truth to that??

Again Well Said!

40 something woman that doesn't cause a ruckus and plays by the rules!
Hillary Clinton has run a spirited, tough campaign – and her team’s attacks on Senator Obama in the last four months have helped toughen him up for what lies ahead in the general election. Having said that…

Pure and simple, Hillary Clinton lost the nomination because she relied on people that weren’t tapped into the mood of average Americans, had a failed strategy and who had a false belief in her ‘inevitability’ as the party’s nominee. Once Super Tuesday came and went, the campaign found itself on its heels with no strategy to implement for the balance of the primary and no money with which to fund it.  By the time they finally formulated a new plan – her ‘kitchen sink’ strategy – Barrack Obama had reeled off 11 straight wins and held a lead he would never relinquish.

The new strategy relied on a ‘say or do anything to win’ approach founded on classic mudslinging tactics. These included saying he can’t get the ‘hard-working, white voters’, insisting only her and McCain are experienced enough to be president, her ‘3AM’ ads and the continual insistence that Senator Obama is unelectable in November.  She waffled when asked whether she believed he was Muslim and personally weighed in when asked about Reverend Wright.  Even Bill jumped on the bandwagon, implying that Hillary and McCain were the only candidates in the race ‘that loved this country’.  In spite of this new strategy (and even when given the opportunity during a debate to comment on her ‘sniper fire in Bosnia’ statement), Obama steadfastly refused to attack her on anything other than policy issues.  

Her campaign’s behavior after Super Tuesday left many Democrats speechless at how far the Clintons and their supporters seem to be willing to go to damage a fellow Democrat.  Yet equally disappointing have been recent statements by HRC and her supporters that the reason she was losing is because she is the victim of misogyny.  

The simple fact is she lost the nomination because she lacks basic management skills, lacks Bill’s political skills and isn’t trusted by the majority of voters.  Rather than blaming sexism for her loss, feminists should be blaming her for reinforcing the idiotic stereotypes misogynists have against women’s ability to lead.
Hillary, please...just stop.  This is getting beyond ridiculous and each day we are not focused on the general election and getting McCain out of office is another day that the Repubs gain momentum.

Can someone talk some sense into the woman for goodness sake?
Wow - Do the Clinton's really think the SD are going to buy into their argument.   How will they change some SD minds if they hadn't already.  Phone calls - to do what? say what? what can they say that would make SD change their minds at this stage of the game...Interesting?  They really do feel they own this country and have the power to presuade anyone to do anything ...it's almost mobster like
It appears that Clinton is in this to win it!  

I don't understand.  Her campaign is over $20 million in debt.  That was over a month ago, so let's say...   $25 million in debt by now!

Why won't she just quit!!!

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... and the beat goes on ...

I WANT OFF THIS RIDE!!!  Super-D's: please stop this!

OBAMA '08 & '12
That's the crux of it:

If she can woo "committed" delegates, then the logic behind the statement, "She'll compete until there is a nominee," MUST mean that she will compete until the delegates cast their votes.

Until the votes are cast, the delegates are free to change their minds.

The end result is Clinton is aiming to take this to the convention.

She just doesn't want to say that now and drive away the uncommitted Super Delegates.
Slow new day

The last primary is tomorrow, we are intelligent and we underestand even if the media does not that nothing will happen until then

Please stop the incidentials, it's take away from the MSNBC Quality
This cannot be happening.  Somebody make it stop.  
Yawn.  Keep it up Hillary - Obama just picked up at least 5 new supers today, including some from Michigan and Florida.  How many have you picked up?

YES WE CAN (end it tomorrow)!
If Clinton wants to come out of this with anything positive, she needs to bow out Tues night.
What do they mean when she says it's over?  Mistake #1, know when WHEN IS AND WHEN TO LEAVE WHILE THE GETTING IS GOOD!

If the party leaders have to tell her to leave, this could get very nasty and I don't want this for her.  Only more cries of sexism, then we will have to hear from Geraldine Ferraro, BTW, wonder what post she was promised?    
Still hoping the fat lady in  the pantsuit is going to sing!

Enough already!
These people are a disgrace -- never a straight answer.  Ever.
The image of Hillary, and Bill working the phones tommorow is too comical.
Nancy Pelosi - the kind of woman of which true role models are made.
Damn, I thought she was going to do the right thing! Well it's ok, it is tought to put the cat in the box like Tucker said last week.  lol
They're letting their staff go but the race isn't over. Sums up their logic.
Clinton truly wants to ruin the party, she would rather have the republicans win than cede to Obama. That is so sad. Why would anyone be for her is very self indulgent. I am sorry for her.
For the love of God, how long can this go on? South Dakota and Montana, kick the pantsuit out of the race!
Hillary is as a tortued soul in a horror movie that won't accept it's own death and it is therefore forced to exist in an odd and bizarre paralell universe.
That's what I've ben saying for a month:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/m.s.-bellows/the-trap-clintons-briarpa_b_104198.html

Even after Obama clinches the final number of delegates tomorrow, she will appeal the DNC ruling on FL/MI all the way to the convention floor

And make no doubt about it, the Republicans will fan the fire all the way to the convention and then still have the gall to say that the winner "stole" the nomination

Congratulations Democrats . . . you idiots have just assured us of 4 more years of Bush/McCain and a Supreme Court that will roll the calendar on civil rights back 100 years

un-freaking-believable!!!
So what's next?

Next is that superdelegates and regular delegates need to put Hillary on their DO NOT CALL list.
What happens if the majority of Supers go to Obama after tomorrow's primaries?  She cannot get the new number of 2118.  She is embarrassing herself.  Dean and Pelosi need to end this after all the votes are casts and Obama reaches 2118.
Will Clinton be the definition of spite?
To Pat,Boston,MA:
Hey here's to our "friendly rivalry" on celebrating an NBA Finals between the two greatest franchises in the NBA!

"Desperate" Hillary has got to drop this popular vote nonsense and just plain concede the inevitable, that she has lost and Obama has won.  Time for the superdelegates to put this primary farce to bed so Barack Obama can get on with sending "Bush Hugger" McCain into political retirement, where all Reagan foot soldiers belong.

Go Lakers!
Go Obama 08/12!
If I were a super, I would let all calls that come in  as, 'private', 'unknown', Hillary, or Bill, go straight to voice mail, from now 'til Denver.
There is only one word, delusional.
"the senator will be making the case on the phone to committed and uncommitted superdelegates and uncommitted delegates."

You know, in some circles, if a person turns you down yet you continually harass them?  You're called a stalker.  And if the failed courting continues for too long?  Sometimes one must get a restraining order.

$500 to the first super delegate who gets a restraining order against the Clintons.
Someone please put a stop to her maddness!!!!!!
Hillary is sounding like a child that does not get their way, so they will stomp their feet and scream and cry and pout!!!!!!!!!!!!

Also Hillary PAY YOUR BILLS! I read today that she owes a college in Indiana $55,000.00
i just gotta wonder... has HRC embarassed the citizens of NY enough that they'll vote her out in the next cycle?  she has clearly lost all grasp on reality... not exactly someone you want representing you before the rest of the country.
Hillary Clinton has worked through 3 of the 5 stages of the death of her campaign. She is currently in the
depression stage. Acceptance of her campaign's death will occur late tomorrow night or Wednesday morning.
Hillary Clinton has worked through 3 of the 5 stages of the death of her campaign. She is currently in the
depression stage. Acceptance of her campaign's death will occur late tomorrow night or Wednesday morning.
Hillary,

Give it a rest already before you destroy the entire Democratic party's chances of winning against McCain in November!
I'm an Obama guy all the way, but this "ending" is starting to look like a pennant winner that goes 5 and 20 in September.

ARG has not been all that reliable this year, but my God -- HRC 60-34 in South Dakota, and Montana now only 48-44 Obama!

IF both those states fall away into her column, Obama will have won only two states(out of 9) over the final three months of the primary/caucus season. (With most of his defeats being blow-outs.)

If he does go "over the top" this week, it will seem like a technical moment. Rather than some transcendent passage.

HRC is going nowhere. With nothing contested over the three months to Denver, she is going to work on the SDs. And hope for a major Obama scandal. (Or worse.)

BTW, where are all the SDs today?
Wow, this is more exciting than any Reality TV Show or soap opera storyline.  She won't quit even when its over.  Hillary, I need some of whatever you are taking (or drinking).

Who would have ever thought a presidential primary would be this highly entertaining?
Just go away already. How disgusting you've become Hillary. Your supporter Harriet Christian epitomizes the histrionic zealots you've been pandering to. The Taylor Marsh/ Geraldine Ferraro types are what is wrong with this country; and your attitude Hillary is what is inflaming that response; you and your deluded campaign trio of Ickes/McAulliff/Wolfson.
It is pointless to say "for the good of the Democratic party", obviously you think we are all in your world of denial.
Not this time.  
"They shoot horses don't they?"  Will the DNC leaders please put this race out of its misery!
Come on.  Somebody needs to shut this delusional, crazy, qucking woman down.  Howard Dean should be fired for letting it go this far, but the entire leadership of the DNC should go if this lunacy goes on past Wednesday.  DON'T LET HER DO IT!!!
Ugh. UGH! That's it. I am losing energy around this. I hope this is just spin and bluster to keep the media on their toes, but a big part of me believes it's not. They mean it. And it's just depressing.
This race will be over on Wednesday morning regardless of if she acknowledges it or not.  Obama will have the deligates needed to claim victory on Wednesday Morning (including some serious Super deligate movement on Tuesday & Wednesday).

The pressure for HRC to drop out will be massive on Wednesday morning, because by then it will be mathmatically IMPOSSIBLE for her to win.
Loose talk from Ickes that they are going to subvert Obama at every point, making sure the Clintons return after John McCain blows out his aorta in his first term...

Ickes thinks the VP is going to be Jindal... another fresh punk for Hillary to off in the dark alley of 2012.

Sick.
If I were a superdelegate I would not answer the phone for a while. If they were Clinton supporters they would have already announced. Clinton is counting on them believing her spin that Obama is not a strong candidate in the general election. I think the opposite is true. Her fervent supporters or those that call in and say they'll be voting for McCain over Obama sound an awful lot like Limbaugh's dittoheads, who want a Clinton matchup because they know they can beat her. Obama is an unknown to them and so far no personal dirt, only pastors with big mouths and large gatherings with less than reputable people in attendance. Whereas the Clintons sold pardons and Lincoln bedroom stays and will bring out Republicans in force again with their litany of known offenses.

In other words, with Obama they have to make stuff up and twist events like a pretzel to try and gain traction whereas with the Clintons it's right there on the table like a sumptuous buffet.
I'll tell you who are bitter and clinging to whatever shred of possibility for the nomination... That'll be the Clintons. They so DON'T CARE about party unity. They just can't believe that they have been beaten by this young upstart. They are full of anger and recrimination. It's sad to watch...
It's time to get united behind the person who has earned the nomination by the rules that were set forth at the beginning of the campaign.  Senator Clinton has run a tough, agressive campaign that is, without about 90% of the remaining superdelegates, going to come up short.  After Senator Obama reaches the magic number sometime this week, it's time to remember what the real goal is...Making America safe and prosperous again.  That requires getting behind an Obama/Webb ticket and beating McCain in Novemeber.
Going after Obama's pledged supers?  
Going after his elected delegates?
This ridiculous claim of the popular vote. (where caucus states Obama won are not tallied0)  
And it seems she's going to take it to the Credential Committee next month.  
This won't be resolved until the convention and by then it will be too late. She is destroying the Party.  
She has clearly put self over Party unity and getting the country back on track.
The GOP has got to be gleeful over all this.  I'm really losing faith in the whole process where a person wins, but the opponent will stop at NOTHING to take it away.  This is America???

CUB FANS FOR OBAMA.
How horribly, horribly, pitifully sad; yea, she'll fall right into line behind him and the party.....after she's done every God-forsaken thing she can--short of youknowwhat--to get the nomination that she just can't have.
How horribly, horribly, pitifully sad....ya'll please go home.
If Obama picks Hillary for veep I will take an insurance policy on him myself.
Hillary seems to believe it ain't over 'til she says it's over. This is the kind of posturing which causes people concern over her sense of entitlement.

Even if she does appeal the Michigan decision and wins it would only give her four more delegates.

I'd like to think that Hillary is just being tough and determined through the primaries as a tribute to her supporters. However, the lurking suspicion grows in my mind that, after constantly moving the goal posts to maintain an image of viabillity, she has dispensed with the goal posts altogether and is planning to go on to the convention.

She can't say outright that she intends to fight on to the convention because the party would rebel. However, as long as she can delay a week or two at a time, the super-delegates can continue to hold back while hoping that maybe tomorrow, next week, next month she'll step aside.

I hope I'm wrong. The voting ends tomorrow; a continued nomination fight after that would just be a knife in the side of the Party; crippling, if not fatal.
It's time America takes a closer and deeper look at Senator Obama. Some pundits are calling him the next John F. Kennedy. He's not. He's the next George McGovern. And it's time people learned the facts.

Because the truth is th at Mr. Obama is the single most liberal senator in the entire U.S. Senate. He is more liberal than Ted Kennedy, Bernie Sanders, or Mrs. Clinton.    Never in my life have I seen a presidential frontrunner whose rhetoric is so far removed from his record. Walter Mondale promised to raise our taxes, and he lost. George McGovern promised military weakness, and he lost. Michael Dukakis promised a liberal domestic agenda, and he lost.

Yet Mr. Obama is promising all those things, and he's not behind in the polls. Why? Because the press has dealt with him as if he were in a beauty pageant..  Mr. Obama talks about getting past party, getting past red and blue, to lead the United States of America . But let's look at the more defined strokes of who he is underneath this superficial "beauty."

Start with national security, since the president's most important duties are as commander-in-chief. Over the summer, Mr. Obama talked about invading Pakistan, a nation armed with nuclear weapons; meeting without preconditions with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who vows to destroy Israel and create another Holocaust; and Kim Jong II, who is murdering and starving his people, but emphasized that the nuclear option was off the table against terrorists - something no president has ever taken off the table since we created nuclear weapons in the 1940s. Even Democrats who have worked in national security condemned all of those remarks. Mr. Obama is a foreign-policy novice who would put our national security at risk.

Next, consider economic policy. For all its faults, our health care system is the strongest in the world. And free trade agreements, created by Bill Clinton as well as President Bush, have made more goods more affordable so that even people of modest means can live a life that no one imagined a generation ago. Yet Mr. Obama promises to raise taxes on "the rich." How to fix Social Security? Raise taxes. How to fix Medicare? Raise taxes. Prescription drugs? Raise taxes. Free college? Raise taxes. Socialize medicine? Raise taxes. His solution to everything is to have government take it over. Big Brother on steroids, funded by your paycheck.

Finally, look at the social issues. Mr. Obama had the audacity to open a stadium rally by saying, "All praise and glory to God!" but says that Christian leaders speaking for life and marriage have "hijacked" - hijacked - Christianity. He is pro-partial birth abortion, and promises to appoint Supreme Court justices who will rule any restriction on it unconstitutional. He espouses the abortion views of Margaret Sanger, one of the early advocates of racial cleansing. His spiritual leaders endorse homosexual marriage, and he is moving in that direction. In Illinois , he refused to vote against a statewide ban - ban - on all handguns in the state. These are radical left, Hollywood , and San Francis co values, not Middle America values.

The real Mr. Obama is an easy target for the general election. Mrs. Clinton is a far tougher opponent. But Mr. Obama could win if people don't start looking behind his veneer and flowery speeches. His vision of "bringing America together" means saying that those who disagree with his agenda for America are hijackers or warmongers. Uniting the country means adopting his liberal agenda and abandoning any conflicting beliefs.  


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