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Reflections on 5,400 hours with Hillary

Posted: Friday, June 06, 2008 10:27 AM by Mark Murray

From NBC/NJ's Athena Jones
The end.

Hillary Clinton's announcement that she will congratulate Obama on Saturday and extend her support to him brings to a close the first chapter in the gripping, cable-news-ratings-boosting drama that is the 2008 election.
 
I covered the once-"inevitable" nominee from September to late April, when I was reassigned to Obama's plane. What follows is this embedded reporter's take on the best, and only, political story I've ever followed on such a massive, exhausting, exhilarating, demanding scale -- a close-up view of the unique form of life-giving, yet life-consuming, submersion that has come to define modern-day political campaigns.

Things fall apart, the center cannot hold...
Among the lessons learned over these many months: One, whatever the final judgment on Bill Clinton's effect on this race, which by most accounts was Hillary's to lose, and the value of his brand, one thing is sure, he is no longer the much-loved, well-respected king of the party in many people's eyes. (Nor is he likely to be referred to again as "the first black president," even in jest.) Two, as much as the media's hunger for metaphors may at times overreach, it turns out that a campaign's organization or lack thereof is a good indicator of the candidate's ability to win.

VIDEO: NBC News and National Journal campaign reporter Athena Jones explores what it takes for journalists to survive life on a campaign trail.
 
Many have cited Clinton's vacillations on driver's licenses for illegal immigrants in last fall's Philadelphia debate as the first sign of trouble, but the great unraveling didn't truly begin until January 3.

Iowa was a shock. It stung the Clintons. The former first lady managed to turn New Hampshire into the stage for a remake of "The Comeback Kid," but the campaign never truly recovered from that Iowa defeat. It never fully digested what the loss said about their assumptions and their strategy.

The size and scope of the loss also surprised many of us on the Clinton bus. And yet a week earlier, at an "Orphan Christmas dinner" for a dozen or so reporters stranded in Des Moines on an unusually balmy Christmas Day, most of those assembled -- many of whom had covered Obama extensively for months -- had been convinced he was going to win. Big.

The Clinton team tried to maintain their grip on the suddenly slippery cloak of inevitability. The dizzying spin began on the boozy, wee-hours flight from Des Moines to Manchester, when aides played down the small state and the amount of influence it would have.

If only. As is clear now, Iowa allowed Obama to catch fire, a fire gained speed and strength during the crucial month of February and ultimately proved fatal for the Clintons.

From the start, theirs had been a big-state strategy that paid little attention to caucuses. Bill hadn't done well in them either, the New York senator grew fond of reminding reporters in the midst of her series of losses in February.

They had hoped a win in that first crucial contest would send them on their way. The problem with Iowa was that the main lesson they took away from their devastating third-place finish was not that they had underestimated the youth vote, or Obama's ability to appeal to white voters in small Iowa towns, or that they needed to adjust their message.

Instead, they concluded that caucuses were a sham, all but ceding all future caucus states -- save Nevada -- to their rival and allowing him to rack up the kind of lead in pledged delegates, states won, momentum, and overall hype that seemed to invalidate their argument to superdelegates that she was the candidate best-poised to win in November.

At times, life on the trail felt like it was playing out in Bizarro World. There were explosions of laughter on the press bus during a February 16 conference call when Clinton aide Harold Ickes twisted himself into a pretzel trying to square his DNC vote to strip Florida and Michigan of their delegates with his then-position that they absolutely must be counted.

Reporters on the bus -- worn down by a brutal schedule of long days packed with multiple flights and back-to-back events -- grew to loathe the marathon calls (many lasted more than an hour) that became near-daily occurrences for a time, even though they offered the opportunity to ask questions of the team's top tier.

But back to those pesky caucuses. In New Hampshire -- a day or two after losing badly in the Hawkeye State and a day or two before women voters and teary eyes helped win her camp a reprieve from the political firing squad -- Clinton told the reporters jostling for position in a coffee shop that caucuses were undemocratic, and it was primaries that mattered.

Ouch. The problem: There were several more caucuses to go.

What are you trying to say?
Then there was the matter of the message and its messengers. Strength and experience seemed to be working at the beginning, but that was before voters began to tune into Obama's soaring, though vague, rhetoric and his calls for change.

So around December, Bill Clinton started calling Hillary a "world-class change agent" in his speeches, focusing on what he saw as his wife's proven ability to bring about change -- a valid but indirect argument when compared to Obama's clearer, simpler and apparently more inspiring one-word line: "Change." People know what change means, but what does "World-class change agent" mean exactly?

In a December 16 speech in Council Bluffs, IA, where she launched her abbreviated, "freezing fog"-hobbled Hill-a-copter tour, Clinton used some variation of the "change" or "new beginnings" theme 23 times in a 33-minute speech -- or about once every one-and-a-half minutes. But the Clintons' change argument didn't sell.

The logic was difficult to follow: How could someone who embraces her status as a throwback to the 90s -- even the booming, gilded 90s -- also represent change? It may have been possible to make a convincing argument, but the Clintons didn't. One reason was the legions of young Obama fans, the college students that few expected to actually show up on caucus day but who did. For many of them, Clinton was synonymous with the old school. Hillary as the status quo ante incarnate.

And there were the messengers, from Bill Clinton and Bob Johnson in South Carolina -- where their comments angered many black voters -- to message architect Mark Penn. Penn didn't see much value in emphasizing Hillary's "human side," even though she consistently wowed skeptical voters in face-to-face interactions and eventually proved to be warm, friendly and funny with the reporters on her campaign plane.

Clinton's campaign knew they had a charismatic orator as a rival, but it took them months to figure out what to do about it, as though it were enough to lament what they saw as media bias, stomp their feet -- metaphorically -- and wonder aloud why nobody but them could see that this guy was the embodiment of style over substance.

Around the time of the Wisconsin race, the Clinton campaign started trying to portray Obama's entire candidacy as one based on "just words." But it wasn't until Ohio that they threw a remix of Elvis' "A Little Less Conversation" onto their event soundtrack. It was a song that fit well with their talk vs. action, speeches-vs.-solutions line against Obama.
Clinton sometimes liked to say politics was a means to an end, not an end in itself, and it was clear in the more intimate moments on the trail that she believed she was the candidate most ready for the job of president, the one who would be the best at it if she could just get there.

Still, the means matter, and that's where much seemed to go wrong -- the muddled message, the staff shake-ups, the mindset that led to her money crunch and the lack of a post-Feb. 5 strategy, which kept her from competing effectively that month.

It was the best of times; it was the worst of times.....
Looking back, there were the emblematic moments on the trail, the turning points, the low points -- and moments not always picked up on by the national network desks or the folks in the newsrooms back in Washington and New York.

In December at a Hy-Vee supermarket in Des Moines, IA, the Clinton team memorably lost control of Bill Clinton, leaving him alone, surrounded by reporters and forcing them to convene a press conference to re-focus the ravenous media on the candidate. The former president later signed a dollar bill for a fan -- while acknowledging the illegality of his actions -- only to have his wife refuse to do the same.

There was that moment at the end of a New Hampshire roundtable when the former first lady's eyes welled with tears. That event had bored the exhausted press corps into a near coma, but when the response to a seemingly innocuous question turned out to actually be interesting, the sudden buzz was like someone had hit a bee hive with a baseball bat.
The rapid click, click, clicking of camera shutters, the frantic phone calls to news desks, the reporters darting to and fro chatting with the voters present, trying to measure the momentous-ness of the moment.

An early low point? The pseudo-victory bash in Davie, FL., after Clinton won that rogue state's non-consequential (at least according to DNC rules at the time) primary.

There were also a lot of good times. The late night drinks on the campaign plane and in hotel bars, the numerous karaoke outings with reporters and campaign staff, the inside jokes only political junkies would understand or find funny. Hillary's shot of Crown Royal, her dancing at the Y. The April Fool's joke she played where she challenged Obama to a bowl-off.

It seems I switched bubbles when the real fun was only beginning. The campaign had finally decided to try to woo the press some time around the Nevada caucuses -- a time that coincided with the debut of the campaign plane dubbed Hill-Force-One.

By late April, Clinton was making a lot more forays to the back of the plane, but it was after I left that the giant blow-up Hillary doll made its debut and the senator took to dancing publicly a little more often and began to be more free about imbibing alcoholic beverages in front of -- and with -- the press corps.

So what about Obama?
After covering some 300 Clinton events over seven-and-a-half months, I've now been the Obama plane for a little over a month -- armed with a press badge, which somewhat oddly broadcasts the "Change We Can Believe In" campaign slogan, along with a handy little map of America with a breakdown of electoral votes per state.

Obama is officially the presumptive nominee. Now what?

Early on, Clinton was fond of saying, "You can't be a leader if no one is following." You also can't be the nominee if not enough people are following, and that ended up being the case with her failed campaign.

At the Harkin Steak Fry last September, Obama arrived with an entourage that sounded like it came straight out of a U2 video. But even with all the talk of Obamamania, the Obamanon, and Martin Luther Obama, the question is: Will people keep following? And not just the young or the black or the college educated or the people in nearly all-white states, but the blue-collar workers, the Clinton backers, Appalachia?

Obama's candidacy has, in many ways, been a grand experiment with its own unique successes and its own challenges. Those challenges include a lack of legislative experience relative to McCain's and his wariness and distance from the media as contrasted with his voluble, personable Republican rival -- a man who embraces the press by comparison.
Has Obama been tested well enough in this long, sometimes brutal primary race, as some argue?

What about Jeremiah Wright and Michael Pfleger? Will denouncing Wright and resigning his membership from Trinity United Church of Christ be enough to calm those angered by these men's messages and confused by whether Obama agrees with them?

What about William Ayers and Tony Rezko, flag pins and all the questions about the Pledge of Allegiance and his religion?

What about the unforced errors, like that disastrous bowling outing or the bitter-guns-religion comments? How long will those comments cling to him? How successful will the Republicans be in branding him as an out-of-touch elitist?

Won't the Republican Party have a field day with all of that? Can he stand the heat, as Clinton might ask?

What about race?

Finally, now that Clinton's campaign has joined those linking Obama to George McGovern -- in their case merely implicitly -- I can't help thinking about a passage in one of the many political books that have become required reading for anyone trying to tackle life on the bus.

In his 1973 treatise, Fear and Loathing: On the Campaign Trail '72', Hunter S. Thompson quoted Ron Dellums -- currently the Oakland mayor and a Clinton supporter -- during July 1972.

Thompson writes that Dellums released this statement when he switched his support from Shirley Chisholm to McGovern: "The coalition that has formed behind Sen. McGovern has battled the odds, baffled the pollsters, and beat the bosses. It is my conviction that when that total coalition of the victims in this country is ever formed, this potential for change would be unheralded, for it could pose a real alternative to expediency and status quo politics in America."

Obama's idealism and his appeal to young voters, if not victims, has been compared -- fairly or not -- to the failed candidacy of McGovern, who was an early Clinton supporter until he switched recently.

How will that comparison bear out? Will the freshman senator from Illinois go down to defeat in a landslide or disprove that analysis and emerge victorious?

We have five more months of gripping, cable-news-ratings-boosting drama before we find out.

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This is sad. I am sure she has the support millions of Americans!  Sad day for Hillary supporter.

I do wish her well.  She will do well.

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Bill Clinton's fall from grace can be stemmed from the inevitable personality changes that follow the kind of bypass heart surgery he had.  It is common.
CNN has more info on the meeting between Hillary and Obama. It was at Feinstein's Washington home, she only served them water, and then left...

I hope you all realize how really, really awesome this meeting is. It's nothing like a Clinton/Lewinsky Oval Office meeting, or an "animated discussion" on the Senate floor.

This was a sit-down chat between two responsible, emotional adults, and I feel 100% sure that positive results were obtained.

To those bloggers from BOTH camps who feel the need to trash like you never left the schoolyard: LET THIS MEETING BE A LESSON AND A SIGN.

Obama and Hillary don't need the extra crap you insert into the campaign. They are discussing things reasonably in a room together. Feinstein didn't say anything about ripped drapes or that they each had a torn-off leg of a chair, ready to beat each other senseless. They didn't sit around yelling (like you caps-lock artists), calling each other liars, racists, "loosers" or anything else.

Neither of them is a horrible person, and you know it. You just have to find some vitriol to inject so you can be sullen or triumphant.

I pose a CONDITIONAL negative statement: IF you feel the need to jump on the supporters of the other camp, THEN you are a loser, an idiot, and you need to go find a life, because the rest of us are laughing at you and we'll need to clean up after you, like a two-year old with spaghetti sauce in your hair.

So, the question is: ARE you a loser???
The McCain campaign has even resorted to copying Obama's campaign slogan and graphics!

http://www.politivine.com/2008/06/06/mccain-campaign-revamps-with-a-familiar-look/

That is priceless!!
I am so upset Hillary is out of the race. I liked her. She is strong woman and would make glorious president.
Perhaps during these endless hours with Hillary, it was noted how she intends to take responsibilty for her own debts. The "news" that Hillary wants Obama to pay off her debt was scrolling across the bottom of the screen this morning on Morning Joe. Since January, I have given my monthly "dining out" money to the Obama campaign. If he gives her a cent, I will not contribute another penny to either Obama or the DNC. She made millions last year (I make less than $45,000/year), she has multiple houses (I have one - less than 1,000 sq. ft, built in 1946). She intentionally ran a narcissistic vanity campaign the last 2 months  ( I must be financially responsible). Let her rabid supporters go to HILLARYCLINTON.COM and pay it off, let Mr. Paul pay it off - or an even more appealing idea - let HER take responsibilty for the debt SHE incurred trying to satisfy the insatiable needs of her ego. She sees her supporters as a means for making her financial irresponsibility Obama's problem. As noted by Hilary Rosen in her columnm, Clinton views her supporters as bargaining chips - nothing like being objectified to make me feel I'm not "invisible."  I also will not support for any ticket on which she appears.)
Thanks Athena,

But geeeez, this is a book!

I'll never get caught up with reading the posts now!
Interesting thoughts...There were things that happened during the campaign that were slightly overlooked, then later, with 20-20 hind-sight, we realized that that was a big deal.  I'm thinking when Bill Richardson, a superdelegate supported Obama.  The story should have been why wasn't Hillary picking up Superdelegates after February's super Tuesday? How deep is the resentment toward the Clintons: that a Bill Clinton insider switched to Barack. Not a turning point in the outcome but clearly a marker that was somewhat overlooked.  As it turned out, there was a flood of supers that went for Barack, with Hillary actually losing supers in the end. The pundits may have missed the real significance of the Bill Richardson endorsement.
There are many reasons Hillary did not win the primary. One reason and maybe the biggest, is that her name is Clinton. The people are ready to go in a new direction and the Clintons did not fully grasp how deeply we want change in this country. Barack Obama represents that change,he read the signs correctly. He also ran one hell of a campaign. Well organized and everyone one the same page. His supporters are passionate, but take nothing for granted. I believe the Clinton campaign got a little arrogant and took the nomination for granted.





Why don't you go back to Hillaryland if you loved it so much?

Dear the smart pundits at 'First Read'

Could you untangle some of the myth about Hillary's campaign to the public ?

One of the myths is "She was finally turning around her campaign and was winning primaries with significant margin". What is missing here is once Obama determined that she has no mathematical possibility of beating him(especially after NC and IN) he was not putting much resource or campaigning in the remaining states like he did before. It is analogus to a football team beating its rival soundly in the early quarters and pulling its star players so they can play healthy for the final and replacing them with the bench while the clock runs out. This race was finished long time ago (Jonathan Alter got it right at the right time) but the Clintons kept moving the goal post and the media kept complying with their wish. If it was not the Clintons running any other candidate would have been forced to withdraw long time ago.

In the same token, these past 3 days I have been hearing "She is in a shock; we need to give her enough time to absorb the reality and come into terms before she concedes...." The reality is this outcome was not a surprise.It is not like the campaign was running in full cylinders and unexpectdly collapsed on June 3. The race has been over for few months and has been artificially maintained on life support because of their stubbornness and some help from the media(Oh BTW the other myth is the media pushed her out of the race while the contrary is true)
Great article Athena.  I would also like to say I have enjoyed the coverage from Chuck Todd and his crew.  Straightfoward without hype.  T"Firstread" is where I go for updates.  Now, Chuck, just tell Chris Matthews to stop interrupting you all the time.

Nice job guys and gals.
All of the discussions about 'what went wrong' are premature.  Insights like this and others when they emerge are going to show us a lot more.  I can't wait for the scandals, maybe even the Clinton reality show.
I must say Hillary, Bill and media along with both reverends have given Senator Obama a true test and he has passed it!!!. I think Senator McCain is really worried because he knows that now the Democratic Party will be consolidated to remove the entire Republican Party from office….the ones that has cause this country great harm, shame, the lost and injury to American’s finest fighting force ever.  The audacity of their party to use these soldiers to force their direction on the world, while these families are suffering through separation, divorce, suicide, drugs, mental and other physical concerns. I have not yet seen any of the Republican family members volunteer to defend this wonderful country. Shame on you Republican Party!!!.....P.S. November is coming and sooner than you think!!!!!
Hillary's problem began when she stated that the super delegates could change sides.  The little problem that was not considered was that they would leave her.
Even in politics, you have to separate actionable items and politics.

What killed the HRC team was their inability to act on items on the agenda without politicizing it. Who originated the idea, or who took credit for the idea was more important and overshadowed the implementation of those ideas.....

When mistakes happened as they are bound to happen, there was more finger pointing than actions set forth to correct the issue....

Threats and not support was more prevalent. i.e. think Harold Ickes who thought all other aides were merely there to worship him. The more fresher aides had no say on the direction of the campaign. They were there to serve the senior group without any input, which crippled morale and the aura of anergy and contribution that was prevalent in Obama's camp.

For most aides in Clinton's camp, they felt more like they worked 'FOR HER' as opposed to Obama's camp where the aides felt they worked 'WITH HIM'
I thought that you'd share a bit more of what you've learnt on the campaign trail with Obama .. but what you did was to list down his negatives, and compared him to a failed candidacy.
I think that you spent too much time with the Clintons.
Now go back to the trail and report some news.
To those bloggers from BOTH camps who feel the need to trash like you never left the schoolyard: LET THIS MEETING BE A LESSON AND A SIGN.

Great advice. Lets do it and support the platforms and positions that both want for the country. Let is have honest policy decisions and discussions about them on those for which we disagree.
Well, caucuses are undemocratic.  Claiming that in the middle of the process, however, wasn't an effective way for Clinton to argue. It probably hurt more than helped her.   But it's good for people to understand why caucuses should be against the law...they violate voting rights.  Participation in them is always low because they are so time restrictive. They are not a private vote as are the ones cast in the states that run primaries.  Some people WANT their vote private.  

Think of the people who can't attend.  Shift workers, single parents who have to find night-time child care, overseas voters, military overseas voters,  night class students. Perhaps some elderly who prefer absentee ballots.   Some disabled people depending on where, in terms of accessibility, the events occur.   Far too many of the electorate are shut out of these events.   It's truly undemocratic.

Strategically, the Obama camp knew that working for these smaller groups of voters would get them huge amounts of delegates for less work vs. the Clinton strategy of going for big states and huge amounts of the popular vote.  It was a clever idea.  But it's not democratic and the DNC needs to do something about it.   At the very least, the time restrictions must be changed so that these events cover a minimum of 72 hours so that more people can attend.  And even that doesn't solve the problem.
HRC was a good candidate.  Unfortunately, her campaign was less satisfactory.  Penn did not serve her well.  Whatever our disappointment, we are now in a different position.  

We have choices before us.  We can respond emotionally, with anger, petulance, or disaffection.  We can respond logically and rationally to the issues that face us.  How we respond now will determine our future.  

While my candidate of first choice is not on the ballot, I am aware of one thing:  I cannot vote for McCain.  I treasure civil liberties and McCain embraces rendition, warrantless wiretaps, rampant and limitless executive privilege, torture, and preemptive military aggression.  He favors justices that will reconfigure our highest court to prevent a woman's choice and equal protection for gays.  His voting record speaks for itself and, as if that is not bad enough, he now frantically scurries to align himself as a perfect shadow of BushCo policies.  

We've suffered mightily under BushCo.  Our global reputation is in tatters, habeas corpus is in death throes, our economy is tanking, foreclosures are skyrocketing, our children are dying in Iraq, jobs are sent overseas leaving us with climbing unemployment, and few of us can afford health care.  For the sake of my son and daughter, my grandchildren, my future, and that of my family, friends, and neighbors, I realize that we simply cannot afford to continue headlong down this same path that Bush has propelled us upon; the same path that McCain embraces with such eagerness.  So I will vote against him.

I think you are missing the story here Athena. What did those white Iowans see in Obama that caused them to vote against type? I watched all those debates, weighing my options. Why did I choose Obama? Why did thousands of my fellow Mainers come to the same choice? My older sister and her husband strongly supported Hillary, but they didn't bother to go out and vote for her. I stood in the freezing rain for an hour to vote for Obama. It's kind of a mysterious process isn't it?
I AM NOT SAD FOR HILLARY CLINTON.  SHE HAS LIVED IN THE WHITE HOUSE FOR 8 YEARS, TRAVELED THE WORLD AND TRAVELED TO EVERY STATE IN USA FOR FREE.  SHE IS A US SENATOR FROM NY.

WHAT THE HECK IS THERE TO FEEL SORRY FOR?

I AM SORRY FOR ME!  :-)
"Things fall apart, the center cannot hold" - great reference to the Yeats poem "The Second Coming," Athena, and so appropriate.

Here's another poem that is telling of the rise and fall of the powerful, as well.  Some of us will remember this from school days...

OZYMANDIAS

I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them on the sand,
Half sunk, a shatter'd visage lies, whose frown
And wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamp'd on these lifeless things,
The hand that mock'd them and the heart that fed.
And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains: round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away.

We all have our day in the sun, then time marches on.
Thanks for a good look inside the Clinton bus, you have correctly stated what few in the enless talking on MSNBC have noticed.  Being from Iowa and attending the JJ diner and the Harkin Steak Fry you are right the night of the caucas  her team was in shock, so their lesson learned was to dicount caucases.  Check her win/loss after that. Being a swing state I'm sure all of we "quaint" insiders would have rallied behind her after being trashed by her.  Barack Obama remembered to thank us after every state he won. He ran a brilant campaign and will be a wonderful Pres.
People keep saying what a great campaigner and candidate she became at the end. I just don't get it. So if you are able to change yourself like a chameleon at each event to suit the people there, but never really be yourself or tell the truth or make false promises, is a good thing for a politician? It's certainly not something we teach our kids about authenticity and honesty....of course, it's mostly the Republicans who are saying this, but still...
Margaret, well you can blame the Clinton team for the process, they unanimously voted to uphold it, thinking Hillary would win on Super Tuesday. It is up to each state to decide their form of election, not the DNC. I still like the proportional allocations though, that way rural and inner city people get more fair representation.
I really enjoy the behind the scenes of the press pool.  I hope you guys keep it up and try to be fair and talk about the good and the bad.  
Wow - this was depressing.  Are you sorry you were reassigned?  Are you just tired from the road?

Sheesh.  If you are this down already, I'm not looking forward to your future posts.
While I aagree with those who claim that Clinton's strategy was bad, internal conflicts, Bill, etc and they all may have contributed to her defeat they all miss the fundamentals.......Obama was BETTER at running an organization, strategy, (and yes) speeches, internal choices of campaign folks, mobilizing support among different layers than typical of the democrats....and oh yes, raising money and using the internet!  Plus, his campaign centered around what was on the mind of a whole bunch of folks.  CHANGE AND THE HOPE FOR SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT IN WASHINGTON! Oh, I guess you could say he's smarter!
Athena,

this article is at least 6 paragraphs too long! good Lord.  It doesn't take that much to sum up Hillary's whack campaign and why she lost. She tried and I give her credit for that. Go back to NY and write a bill or something. Enough with Hillary Clinton already!!!!
I have supported Senatory Clinton 100%.  I respect her in so many ways and I believe she is the best choice to lead our country.

Having said that, I will not blindly follow her to "unite" the party.  This is the same party that decided they wanted Obama and did whatever it took to get Obama as the nominee.  I could never reward such behavior by "falling into line" and voting for Obama.

So, I will vote for McCain because Obama is inexperienced and I don't trust what will happen to our country with him in a leadership position.  I happen to be from one of the states Obama accused of being bitter and clinging to religion and guns but that is not the only reason I cannot support him.  

When Obama loses in the fall, the Democratic Party has no one to blame but themselves.  Senator Clinton is a devoted party leader and she will keep her word to campaign for Obama.  However, most of her supporters value their vote too much to let ANYONE tell them how to vote.

For those of you who are trying to decide whether to stay home or write in Senator Clinton or vote for McCain, I would encourage you to vote for McCain.  Staying home still rewards the Democratic Party for their behavior.  Writing in the vote will not even be counted in some states.  The only way to tell the Democratic Party that we do not find their behavior acceptable is to vote for the other candidate, which is McCain.  
She's a heck of a warrior. I'm not so sure I understand why Obama should help with her debt. She should have quit if she ran out of money. Or her supporters should have donated more money.

She is worth about $50million. I believe she should pay at least $20 million of that $30 million debt.

She'll earn it back over 5 years while the rest of us are still poor by comparison.


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