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The Clintons' future

Posted: Monday, June 09, 2008 9:19 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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The New York Times: “Bill and Hillary Clinton have stirred virulent passions in their nearly two decades in the national spotlight. They have been known as many things, good and bad -- brilliant policy analysts, manipulators of facts and friends, tireless campaigners, skillful political tacticians, monumentally self-absorbed baby boomers. But most of all they were known as winners. Until now. While the Clintons will almost certainly play a continuing role in national politics, and while Mrs. Clinton could yet emerge as this year’s vice-presidential nominee, a major chapter in their vertiginous public biography was closed when Mrs. Clinton conceded the Democratic presidential nomination to Senator Barack Obama on Saturday. The Clintons’ complicated legacy is all the more complicated now.” 

Former Clinton chief strategist Mark Penn penned an op-ed in the Sunday New York Times. Penn defends the message (or messages) and Bill Clinton and lays blame on superdelegates and money. “Are there a lot of other things the campaign could have done differently? Of course. We should have taken on Mr. Obama more directly and much earlier, and we needed a different kind of operation to win caucuses and to retain the support of superdelegates. From more aggressively courting young people earlier to mobilizing the full power of women, there are things that could have been done differently.”
 
“While everyone loves to talk about the message, campaigns are equally about money and organization. Having raised more than $100 million in 2007, the Clinton campaign found itself without adequate money at the beginning of 2008, and without organizations in a lot of states as a result. Given her successes in high-turnout primary elections and defeats in low-turnout caucuses, that simple fact may just have had a lot more to do with who won than anyone imagines. And sometimes your opponent just runs a good campaign.”

The Los Angeles Times takes a look at the VERY short list of potential women presidential candidates in the future. Then again, four years ago, did anyone imagine there would be a black nominee of a major party by 2008?

Some of the coverage of Clinton’s withdrawal from the race… “Some of her thousands of die-hard fans in the audience booed - demonstrating the hard feelings that will be difficult to soothe,” the New York Daily News writes, adding, “Her bittersweet finale came after 498 days of an epic, history-making quest for the White House that fell a few hundred delegates short.” What did those die-hard supporters think? “ ‘We're here to support Hillary,’ said Bettyjean Kling of Franklin County, Pa., who vowed to fight until it's Clinton who accepts the party crown in August. ‘I sent an e-mail to 5,000 people asking them to bow their heads for a moment of silence. Hillary was forced to do this, but we don't have to go along. Why should she play second fiddle to that flimflam man?"
 
“Others crushed by Clinton's departure were already starting to take a longer view. ‘People will rally, no matter how they feel now,’ said Maggie Koziol of Omaha. ‘I don't think any of the people who say they're going to [vote for John] McCain will really do that.’”

“The scene of the concession -- the National Building Museum in Washington -- had special poignancy for Clinton, as the place where she and her husband danced at their inaugural balls in 1993 and 1997,” the New York Post writes. “Thousands of supporters packed the balconies of the building alongside giant marbled columns and lined the streets outside as the campaign blasted affirming pop tunes by female divas.”

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Hillary and Bill , get over it and move on. We need you !
It's time you live up to the promise that you'll work enthusiastically for the nominee.
Let's win this thing !
McCain just looks like he needs a rest in the retirement home.
“Some of her thousands of die-hard fans in the audience booed - demonstrating the hard feelings that will be difficult to soothe."

----------------------------------------------------

That was Operation Chaos booing.

Anyway, after watching that speech, it occurs to me that the Senator Clinton who has emerged from this process would, in fact, actually best serve this country right where she is in the Senate.

I'm still not ruling out Secretary of Health and Human Services.
Hillary has her eye on the VP, no doubt.  But I just can't imagine her being all fuzzy and warm.  I like the old embattled and vindictive Hillary...not this new bright and sunny one.  It's like Tom and Jerry becoming friends, something is just not right.
http://politicalgraffiti.wordpress.com/2008/06/09/tom-and-jerry-hillary-and-barack/
Mark Penn's piece in the NYT yesterday was the definition of disingenuousness.  He barely referred to his major role in the Clinton campaign, yet it was his own ignorance and flawed strategy that was the biggest part of Sen. Clinton's loss through his uninformed plan in the early states.  I hope his potential clientele sees what a big blowhard he is.
Sen. Diane Feinstein needs to STOP shoving Hillary
Clinton down our throats as VP choice!

She's been all over the TV shows, flogging this
impossible choice.  

STOP IT, STOP IT, STOP IT, SEN. FEINSTEIN!

STOP IT!

Hillary may say she's got eighteen-million voters
who want her as VP, but Obama's also got the same
number of voters who DO NOT WANT HER!

Picking Hillary instantly makes Obamba's entire
campaign message a lie!

HILLARY CLINTON IS NOT CHANGE!



Would Senator Clinton have had as many votes if Rush Limbaugh (SP?) had kept his mouth shut? The republicans had their nominee and therefore did not need to cast a vote for a republican, so alot of the republicans voted for Senator Clinton. These votes will not be for the democrats come November. This is why ALL primaries should be on the same day. With everyone voting on just one day this kind of thing will not happen, and the primaries would be much more accurate. Or all the primary tallies should be released AFTER all the primaries are held. The politians control the peoples vote the way it is done now. Get rid of delegate/superdelegate votes, and count the peoples vote/voice only. This primary was a joke, and the democratic party ALLOWED the Clintons to hold the party hostage. If Senator Obama loses the election 97% of the loss lays on the Clintons front door.
Two opposites on the ticket still don't make a landslide in November....
Kennedy beat Nixon by the smallest margin with Johnson...
So the Obama / Clinton ticket does not hold any water... check it out;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1960
I'm sure at least some of Senator Clinton's supporters will not get behind Obama unless he at least shows her the respect she has earned and asks her to be his running mate.  As one who hoped to vote for Senator Clinton in November, I will feel personally offended, discounted and disrespected by Obama if he doesn't ask -- if she accepts, I will vote for him.  If she turns him down, then I'll seriously consider voting for him depending on who he chooses as a running mate.  
I think the only way the Clinton's will be blamed is if Obama does not win in November.  If Obama wins, the Clinton's will be very instrumental in bringing change.  My belief is that Hillary will be more powerful outside of the oval office than she would as president.  She will be a staunch advocate for those things we hold dear and she will be a more powerful voice in pushing the agenda forward.  
We have not seen the last of Hillary or Bill.  Obama will ensure the Clinton legacy will be cleaned up, just wait and see.
An insignificant story.  Hillary did do a good job of endorsing Barack Obama, but only time will tell if she puts her money where her mouth is about campaigning hard for Barack.  I hope she does so she restores her credibility with us Obama supporters.

We need to keep focus on the general election.  The MSM needs to focus on reporting all of "Alzheimer" McCain's lies.  We need to make sure the repugnant ones are punished for wrecking our economy, national security and image around the world.

Go Obama 08/12!
Hopefully their future doesn't involve prison.
During this campaign as Senator Clinton did some outrageous things like praising Senator McCain and claiming that Senator Obama could not win... she did a lot of things that were foul and I am an Obama supporter who will not vote for a ticket with the Clintons on it.  I will not give them power.  So I hope that Senator Obama will wisely see that she is NOT a good choice for VP at all and select someone who will share his value and ideals and try to live up to them.  I would like to see Senator Clinton return to the senate and try to become the fighter there that she has not been but has presented herself as in this campaign... let's see if she could become a better senator.
This is not the last we've heard of Senator Clinton...she'll be back!!

Alot of her supporters don't want her to have anything to do with VP...she's far too talented and yes, alot of supporters(more than I think the DP realizes) are NOT going to vote for Senator Obama...simply put, he has NO EXPERIENCE to be POTUS!!!  Add in poor judgement and far left wing liberal plans...too much for middle America...no matter how you package it!!
It is interesting that somehow it is HRC's responsibility to get her voters to go for Obama.  While she may encourage, it is HIS responsibility to win them.  He didn't do it in the primary and, for many, he will never win them over.
As Obama suppoter who is a Democrat first, I really hope we can move on from this foul behavior and attitude towards each other.  As someone who campaigned on behalf of Obama, I can honestly say that he never supports anyone going negative on Clinton.  You could see during his own campaign that he tried very hard not to go negative on her, but his hand was forced a few times.  As Hillary said herself, we really shouldn't go there!  We need each other (Obama and Clinton Supporters) to win in November.

I know it can be difficult to be the bigger person at times.  We are all human and can lose sight of what is really important and that is to win!

Can't we all just get along?

Obama '08
My hope is that: very soon I will be able to watch the news or read a newspaper and not have to deal with Hillary R. Clinton stories and discussions about her being the VP.  If the Democratic Party is going to unite and get behind Obama (as he deserves as the winner), then concentrate on his story. We need to focus on letting the country get acquainted with Senator Obama. Let Hillary's fans rant and rave on. If they want to hurt Women's rights further, then they can vote for McCain. We don't need that type of radical input. I believe that Senator Obama will pick up Independents and disenfranchised Republicans in their place.

By the way, I think Senator Obama is the best candidate I've encountered in 40 + years. He can bring us all together to rebuild our country and relations in the world. AND, I believe in Women's Rights and have fought for them many years. I am white and a 65 year old retiree who has been active in politics since the 1960's. Hillary R. Clinton didn't lose because she is a woman There were many underlying factors related to her loss.
The Clintons should think about what is best for America for once....and just go away. We need som eleadership with integrity & without lies. That eliminates both of them for true leadership.
Senator Clinton would make a wonderful Supreme Court Justice, and she hinted at liking the idea during her speech on Saturday.  What a wonderful way to fight for women's issues!  This is truly where Hillary will shine and make a difference to women, their daughters and their grand daughters.
Hillary is out of the race and she still generates more coverage than Obama and McCain combined. However its all in "print". Her supporters are upset and some are bitter and probably some say in anger that they rather vote for McCain etc. This is normal venting folks. What would scare the heck out of me, is how would have Obama supporters reacted had Obama lost in the primary to Hillary. I honestly think the news headlines would be something like this:

"Riots and Looting hits Americas cities".

I say bring home some troops from Iraq to protect our own cities. Just in case Obama loses in November.
Like some kind of infection that never quite leaves the body and comes back to cause itching and pain from time to time, Hillary will be back, dragging Bill along behind her.
But it shouldn't be as this cycle's VP choice! It would be like putting a Republican Fifth Column in Obama's campaign and administration.
Really can we stop obsessing over the Clintons and get on to more important things.
They have only themselves to blame for their loss,  reading Mark Penn's piece on Sunday. underscores how little they all understand what they did wrong.  It's everybodys mistakes but theirs.

It is not that she is a woman, just the wrong one at this time.    GET OVER IT!
I hope she does not accept the VP position if it is offered.  Why would she want to go down with a sinking ship.  She will be in prime position to pick up the pieces after obamas landslide loss this November.

I am tired of the Clinton sideshow. I hope the press gets on with covering the general election soon.
OBAMA WILL NOT BETRAY HIS SUPORTERS BY MAKING HILLARY VP! HE CANNOT WIN WITH HER. WHAT DO YOU THINK MCAIN WOULD SAY IF OBAMA PUT HILLARY ON THE TICKET AND THEN ADDRESSED THE PUBLIC WITH "DONT VOTE FOR MCCAIN HE VOTED FOR THE WAR"! OBAMA WILL NOT TAKE THE AIR OUT OF HIS CAMPAIGN BY PUTTING HER ON THE TICKET. HIS WAKE-UP CALL TO THE WORLD WAS FIGHTING THE OLD TIME POLITICS THAT SHE REPRESENTS.

NO HILLARY FOR VP!!!
The main reason i did not vote for Sen Clinton was i felt that although  she and Sen Obama had almost the same view on the issues she would not be able to get
her programs past without Republicans support and
because of their hatred for her they would not give it to her and nothing would get done.      
The Clintons' future? Try to stay out of Obama's way, and that means staying out of the limelight. There are two things that are apparent from the now-suspended Clinton campaign: (1) Bill doesn't like to share the stage with anyone, even his wife, and (2) the Clinton strategy was, short of winning the nomination, to make it difficult for Obama to win in November. Remember, these aren't true Democrats we are talking about, they're "Clinton, Inc." It's all about them.
"Then again, four years ago, did anyone imagine there would be a black nominee of a major party by 2008?"

That's precisely the problem: Obama doesn't have the record or experience to be the Democratic nominee.

Really the main reason is MARK PENN for Hillary Clinton to lose. No I don't want to see her as
Vice President. Hopefully she will run again in
2012.
As a 61 yr old Republican, I'm ready to vote for Obama in the general election in Nov 08 - unless Hillary Clinton is on the ticket. She was a pathological liar throughout the campaign. How can anyone want her anywhere near Obama? Bill Clinton is another reason NOT to put Hillary on the ticket. We need change from the old ways of running politics - the Clintons are dirty fighters from the old school.
Beth, are you insinuating this because Sen. Obama held a majority of the black vote?  
Bill, seems to be hurting more than Hillary. She's dealing with this with great strength.

Hillary's effort to bring about dem solidarity, because of the deep committment she has for our best hope; a democrat in the oval office come January, is what she has placed at the forefront of her list of priorities.

You've got to give her credit.
I saw Penn's OP-ED...how self-serving can you get?  Wasn't he her chief strategist (or one of the biggies).  Holy cow, they lost because of a poor strategy more than anything else.  The money problems, inconsistent messaging, and failure to woo superdelegates are secondary too that.

Obama had the winning strategy and staff to carry it out.  Clinton didn't.  Its fairly simple stuff in that regard.

Don't think Penn earned his pay!
Can we get on with the process, and forget about the Clintons.  She lost, so get over it.
Mark Penn hit it on the head...obama won caucuses in states with small, uber liberal deocratic minorities...obama will not win those rocky mountain states once they get  awhiff of his liberal positions on everything...he can't ride his war non vote to a GE win...so solly liberals
Can we say 'enough'! on Clintons stories?

Please, can we move on?
I don't get the money problem argument.  They article says they planned to raise $75M and have $25M after super Tuesday. That was THEIR plan that they budgeted for.  Instead they raised $100M and spent it all before super Tuesday. How is that a money problem? It sounds like a money management problem. Penn is just a loser any way you look at it. Hillary should sue for a refund of the money she paid him. She would win with any jury.
Maggie Koziol of Omaha. --you are so wrong..

The DNC failed its constituents’ miserably in falling to acknowledge every vote cast and counted in Michigan and Florida..period. The principals for which the party was founded are simple…one voice..one vote. As far as the “rules” pertaining to the date of which a state is suppose to hold its primary---I say—to hell with these arbitrary rules put in place by political party elitists---they undermine the founding principles of the party by disenfranchising those who showed up to vote. The voters in these states had no voice in these decisions, but they went to the polls anyway, and they voted, even if they voted “uncommitted”. And this nonsense about how these votes would not count because they broke the rules, thus possible encouraging these voters to stay home—I say ridiculous. If you are a registered voter and as so, those that did not go to the polls—well I guess they did not take their privilege to vote seriously.
By disenfranchising those that did vote, the DNC intentionally disenfranchised and abandoned the strongest candidate to head the ticket- Hillary. She with her tremendous strength, knowledge and courage was tossed aside for an ill-qualified community organizer with two years of Senate experience. Let me make clear, I do not hate Obama however I firmly believe him to be the weakest candidate to head the ticket. Those same party leaders did not have the courage to realize this and they will pay a price for their stupidity. I have heard those same party leaders repeatedly say, well gee, what would we say to the African American voter, and all those newly registered college folk who backed Obama---that would be a against our principals to “take” the nomination away from him, I say BULL. To the 92% of the African Americans and those college folk who apparently voted overwhelmingly for Obama, I ask…. where have you been all these years when the party needed your votes in prior elections----then you stayed home, or failed to register and vote.
I have been a loyal supporter of the party my entire adult life---no more. You have shown me time and time again that you are gutless and have no clear clue how to win elections. You lack the vision and the wisdom to do anything other than pat your own pockets and run from the truth---for shame.
I do not speak for all Hillary supporters, though I do hope I speak for many of them when I say to the party…. you have failed us---you have failed Hillary, and you will once again fail to win the White House, and because of your failure---the party WILL pay a high price. I watched and listen to Hillary ask her supporters to now throw their support to Obama, for the sake of the party. Hillary is a loyalist to the party---why, I’m not sure---because I am no longer so. Well with the deepest respect for Hillary, I will not, with my vote, allow the “rape” of her candidacy to continue. Come Nov I will exercise my right and vote for McCain---two can play the same game. I respect Hillary tremendously, however the party and the process did her wrong and this cannot stand. YES THIS WILL BE A PROTEST VOTE, a vote against the DNC-you need to clean your act up and remember your core constituents, because “Yes We Can” make a difference.
I am not afraid of McCain, he does not represent 4 more years of Bush---no one could possibly be that stupid. I believe him to be a man of honor who will do his best for this country and its people that he cares deeply for, and for that reason I will place my hope with him. I’d rather hedge my bet on a man of honor than to vote for the voice of chatter. who promises everything to everyone. I say go back to Chicago, drink your green tea and eat your arugula, and O by the way, clean up the mess in your own back yard. And one last thing---no I am not “bitter”---disenfranchised and very angry at the party—yes.
Ironic as it may be the most respect Senator Obama can show to Senator Clinton is not to put her on the ticket. She has been a very strong fighting candidate and this strength is a threat and would undermine Senator Obama.

Root of the word unity is one: one party united under one leader. Obama+ Clinton = 2 leaders and would not be a unity ticket.

Hard as it may be to accept for some die hard Clinton supporters but the law of the jungle is important here. you cannot have two top dogs.

I think Semator Obama has no choice but to offer her soemthing else. It is what he must do to win.

"so solly liberals" --Rick, NC

My condolences neocon.
Hillary Clinton needs to take herself OUT of the
VP sweepstakes, RIGHT NOW.

She was devistated by her primary loss, and she
will be devistated again when she is not choosen.

There is no way Obama is going to select her as
his running mate, period.

So if Hillary wants to avoid being embarrassed again,
she needs to firmly remove her name from consideration
for VP.  If she continues begging for it, even through
her surrogates, she only lessens whatever political
future he may have left.  Nobody - NOBODY - wants a
"double-loser" in politics.  

Ask John Edwards...



I urge you all to chose your words carefully as they relate to Hillary. Saturday was a gut-wrenching day for me and I imagine, many of her supporters. I had no idea exactly how emotionally invested I was in her candidacy. I originally was an Edwards supporter. I have been very adamant about the need to choose a candidate who can WIN in Nov. If you obamatrons expect us to support your candidate you need to deliver the goods. Stop blogging about how "vile" Hillary and Bill are and find something of substance to say about your guy. Enough with the "hope" and "change" crap. Party unity is in your guy's hands. Hillary doesn't owe anyone anything. She ran a race believing she was the best person for the job. To think that now she somehow "owes" obama months on the road stumping for him is ludicrius! Time to start showing us what your guy REALLY stands for and what he can ACTUALY ACCOMPLISH.  
Despite hugh advantages going into this nomination, Mrs. Clinton lost. The Clinton name made her a front runner, and the Clinton myth proved to be her downfall. She still touts her popular vote totals despite the bogus primaries in Florida and Michigan. She has a loyal following along with an even larger inveterate opposition. If she gets on the ticket all the effort by Obama to go in a new direction will be wasted. Mrs. Clinton has a political future only if she helps the party win in November. Her future influence will depend on how effectively she can persuade Bill to retire. Mrs. Clinton can become the independent voice she wants to be only by divorcing herself politically from Bill the slime that surrounds Bill. Can she stand on her own two feet?
WHO CARES!!!
It is real.  I was a Hillary supporter.  I am voting for John McCain.  I can't trust Democrats anymore after seeing the way treat women and are praised for it.  Women are not stupid.  We are an important voting block - as important if not more than others.  

McCain 08'
pol ny ny Billary + Obama = 3 Top dogs. Well 1 that is and 2 that think they are. The 3 stooges, or something!
Obama Rocks!!!
You Obama supporters are not making it an easier for your candidate to win over her Hillary supporters by tearing her to shreds.  Is this unity???  I will not vote for BO.
Obama is the first candidate to inspire me to vote since my first and only one when I was 21 and could.
At 81 yrs  old, there is finally a MAN that I want to vote for. At last!!!!!!
Eutonnah
I've never supported her, but I agree 100 percent with those those commentators who believe Hillary Clinton hit a home run yesterday. But democrats shouldn't be lulled into any feeling of complacency or a false sense of confidence over this. It was a home run, for sure ... but folks, it's only the end of the first inning.

So what does Hillary do now? Here's my humble suggestion --

(Read more at http://aeropolitica.blogstream.com)

Be sure that no one ever gets the idea that she didn't mean what she said yesterday. In other words, say nothing that would signal to her supporters that she doesn't really support Barack Obama wholeheartedly. Embrace the messenger if not the message.

Campaign for Obama without making herself the focus. Pick an issue, pick a constituency, and agree on the message. As Obama has adopted a 50-state strategy, she can help him best in those states where she had success before. I personally think her issue ought to be the economy, and particularly, health care. They should hammer out some sort of plan they can both support, and let her go after it.

Be a strong voice in the Senate. Pick up Ted Kennedy's role. I don't say this to be ironic, either. She is well-organized and knowledgeable on many issues. She's tough. It's time to wield that political clout she's spent 35 years building for some REAL positive good. As long as she's at it, she should apologize for the war authorization vote.

Help with tough Senate campaigns, like Al Franken's campaign in Minnesota. Just in case McCain should win, democrats need votes in the Senate to override vetoes. She can help them get the votes.

Embrace her new role as the symbolic, if not the actual, head of the modern feminist movement. Campaign for female candidates at all levels. Lend as much support as she can to young women who aspire to political careers. Remember that her own daughter's time is coming.

Can she do all of that? Did you see her yesterday? She didn't even look tired. Yes she can.
Bobbi,
You're point is well taken, but you might want to refrain from calling us Obama supporters Obamatrons.  We are just as emotionally invested in Obama as you were in Clinton. It's time for the intra-fighting to stop--I agree with you but everyone needs to to their part--
I have questions, not comments--
1-Isn't there a difference between 'suspending' a campaign and conceding the primary election?
2-Where are the DNC's totals for each candidate for popular and delegates (counted by the DNC, not the Clinton campaign)?
3-Can an impeached former president actually serve on the supreme court?
4-Would anyone want the extremely biased Hillary serving on the supreme court?
5-After all her comments about assassination (hint, hint) could anyone expect Obama to have her as his VP?
6-Do the Clinton's know the VP does not live at the White House? Whatever would Bill do with his cigars?


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