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Obama vs. McCain: The economy

Posted: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 9:18 AM by Mark Murray
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The front page of the New York Times: “With the Democratic stage to himself for the first time, Senator Barack Obama opened a two-week tour of battleground states on Monday, attacking Senator John McCain’s economic policies and moving to focus on the ailing economy as the central theme of the general election campaign. In his most pointed and sustained attack on Mr. McCain’s economic agenda, Mr. Obama said that a McCain presidency would be a continuation of President Bush’s faltering economic policies. And he highlighted his own proposals to aid economically beleaguered Americans: tax cuts for middle-income families and retirees, a $50 billion economic stimulus package, expansion of unemployment benefits, and relief for homeowners facing foreclosure.” 

VIDEO: John McCain's campaign chair, Carly Fiorina discusses McCain's economic policies.

The Washington Post: “That Obama chose launch his general election campaign with a two-week, cross-country tour focused on the economy shows the contrasting messages of the two campaigns. With Americans now saying the economy is their top voting issue, Obama is likely to focus on it often, and polls show voters favoring him over McCain on questions of who will better manage it. McCain, meanwhile, has started running an ad called ‘Safe’ all over the country, touting what he argues are his superior credentials on national security and foreign policy issues.”

“Obama never won Elizabeth Edwards' endorsement, but the presumptive Democratic nominee pledged yesterday to work with her on health care - a not-so-subtle appeal to female voters and party unity. ‘I'm going to be partnering up with Elizabeth Edwards,’ declared Obama, referring to health care, during a speech in Raleigh, N.C. ‘We're going to be figuring all this out.’” Edwards had told People magazine last month, "I don't like his health care plan or his advertising on health care, which I think is misleading.”

CNBC’s John Harwood interviewed Obama yesterday, and the Illinois senator acknowledged that while US would be better off without such a shock in gas prices, the higher prices might actually fuel transition to smarter energy policy. “I think that I would have preferred a gradual adjustment,” Obama said. The fact that this is such a shock to American pocketbooks is not a good thing. But if we take some steps right now to help people make the adjustment, first of all by putting more money into their pockets, but also by encouraging the market to adapt to these new circumstances more quickly, particularly US automakers, then I think ultimately, we can come out of this stronger and have a more efficient energy policy than we do right now.”
 
With an eye toward general election, Obama also said he won't be dogmatic about his proposed tax increases on capital gains, dividends, and carried interest on higher-income Americans and might be willing to defer some of them if he decides upon taking office they might exacerbate weakness in the economy. “[T]here's no doubt that any policies I implement are going to be based on the economic situation that I inherit from George Bush,” Obama said. “You know, one of the things I believe in is a manager of the economy, is you should base your decisions on facts and not ideology. And so even if I'm predisposed to a certain set of policies, I'm going to want and see what's going on at the moment and ask a wide range of viewpoints from situations.” He added, “Some of those [taxes] you could possibly defer. But I think the basic principle of restoring fairness to our economy and encouraging bottom up economic growth is important.”

Here are some more excerpts of McCain’s economic speech today. “Let me speak to you about the change I will seek. As president, I intend to act quickly and decisively to promote growth and opportunity. I intend to keep the current low income and investment tax rates. And I will pursue tax reform that supports the wage-earners and job creators who make this economy run, and help them to succeed in a global economy. Serious reform is needed to help American companies compete in international markets. I have proposed a reduction in the corporate tax rate from the second highest in the world to one on par with our trading partners; to keep businesses and jobs in this country."

More: “It is not enough, however, to make little fixes here and there in the tax code – especially if you're a small business owner filing under the individual tax. What we need is a simpler, a flatter, and a fair tax code.  As president, I will propose an alternative tax system. When this reform is enacted, all who wish to file under the current system could still do so. And everyone else could choose a vastly less complicated system with two tax rates and a generous standard deduction."

And here’s some populism from McCain: "In times of hardship and distress, we should be more vigilant than ever in holding corporate abuses to account, as in the case of the housing market. Americans are right to be offended when the extravagant salaries and severance deals of CEO's – in some cases, the very same CEO's who helped to bring on these market troubles – bear no relation to the success of the company or the wishes of shareholders. Something is seriously wrong when the American people are left to bear the consequences of reckless corporate conduct, while the offenders themselves are packed off with another forty- or fifty million for the road. If I am elected president, I intend to see that wrongdoing of this kind is called to account by federal prosecutors.  And under my reforms, all aspects of a CEO's pay, including any severance arrangements, must be approved by shareholders."

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The economy is in dire need of repairing!  Unfortunately, The only way to fix it will be by raising taxes.  Obama will more than likely raise taxes.

McClain will more than likely have to raise taxes.  Either way, I personaly think taxes will be raised.  

Not until Gas prices are down about $1.20 per gallon!! LOL

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Neither can fix the economy. Mccain hates middle class, loves war. Obama will spend on all these programs and raise the deficit even higher.
Have I said lately how much I love Obama? I love, love, love him because he speaks the unvarnished truth and is intent on moving this country forward, like %75 of the American people. I love that he includes Elizabeth Edwards in his healthcare efforts, even though she was a policy critic. Obama is a REAL leader, a strong and good person and I am happy, happy, happy he will be our next President. Democracy lives!
A delicate balance has to be done in fixing the economy as well as setting the proper direction in national security and Iraq war.  These things have to be done in parallel because any failure in one area affects the other. McCain is best to handle this rather than hollow promises and attacks made by Obama.
I don't understand why anyone could support Obama's economic policies.  Does he really think that the taxes we're going to be paying to support all of his proposals are going to go unnoticed?  For all his concern about high gas prices and families who are struggling, what are these families going to be doing when they're paying ridiculous amounts in taxes?  Has this guy ever met a tax hike he doesn't like?
Pass the Koolaid:  Congratulations!(on making more than $200,000 per year)  The middle class is looking for some relief, however.
Only Barack Obama stands up for the regular Americans while the repugnant ones only stand up for the rich and greedy.  "Bush Hugger" McCain sounds so lame on the economy, just more looking back to repeat the past failures that has sank our country into third world debtor status.

It's way past time for a change for the better and Barack Obama is the change agent we need.  No more stealing from the poor and needy to give to the rich and greedy!

Go Obama 08/12!
For the people who think the stock market will suffer if Obama wins the Presidency, here's an item from the Federal Reserve Bank in San Francisco.

Conclusion
Over the years, stock analysts have suggested that the market prefers Republicans in the White House. This apparently arises from the view that Republican administrations are more favorable toward business than Democratic administrations. Most studies attempting to document this have focused on the stock returns around elections, and find weak evidence for this in the behavior of the stock market. In this study, we examine the returns on the market over the Democratic and Republican terms in office from 1871 to 1997. We find, contrary to earlier belief, that there is no support for returns being different under one political party versus the other. The old adage that the market prefers Republicans is not evidenced. On the contrary, the evidence indicates a slightly, but not statistically significant, higher returns during Democratic administrations.
(report author James R. Booth)
Please read the following...

"High oil prices? Weak dollar? Blame Bush"

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/10940.html

Our country right now is running up huge trade deficits and our government is running huge budget deficits thanks to the irresponsible fiscal policies of this administration and the Quixotic Quest that is Iraq.

In order to stabilize the economy the next President is going to have to make a valid attempt to balance the budget and start balancing trade.  Uncle Fluffy's plan calls for more of what Dubya's done to get us in this mess.

To those afraid of having taxes raised, this just in...THERE MAY BE NO CHOICE AFTER THE MESS BUSH HAS MADE!
These so called “superdelegates” of the party failed their constituents miserably. They chose “change” with no experience over “change” with experience.  By doing so, they disenfranchised Clinton supporters and abandoned the strongest candidate to head the ticket.  We have carried your water for many years; however we are not allowed to drink from the same well??? No MORE. These party elitist should have pledged their allegiants based on fact---not fiction. Hillary with her tremendous strength, knowledge and courage was tossed aside for an ill-qualified community organizer with two years of Senate experience. I firmly believe Obama to be the weakest candidate to head the ticket. Those same party leaders did not have the courage to realize this and they will pay a price for their stupidity.
I have been a loyal supporter of the party my entire adult life---No More. You have shown me time and time again that you are gutless and have no clear clue how to win elections. You lack the vision and the wisdom to do anything other than pat your own pockets and run from the truth---for shame. Your actions have forced many of us centralist democrats to seek alliance with the moderate conservative wing of the Republican Party.
I do not speak for all Hillary supporters, though I do hope I speak for many of them when I say to the party…. you have failed us---you have failed Hillary, and you will once again fail to win the White House, and because of your failure---the party WILL pay a high price. I watched and listen to Hillary ask her supporters to now throw their support to Obama, for the sake of the party. Hillary is a loyalist to the party---why, I’m not sure.
I respect Hillary tremendously, however the party and the process did her wrong and this cannot stand. YES THIS WILL BE A PROTEST VOTE, a vote against the DNC-you need to clean your act up and remember your core constituents, because “Yes We Can” make a difference. I am not afraid of McCain, he does not represent 4 more years of Bush---no one could possibly be that stupid. I believe him to be a man of honor who will do his best for this country and its people that he cares deeply for, and for that reason I will place my hope with him.
And to those Obama supporters,  I am not “bitter” “old” “ugly” “uneducated” “living in a trailer” “sleeping with my uncle” or “picking my teeth with wood” . I am however, disenfranchised and VERY angry.
And one last thing, please don’t lecture me about McCain’s record---I know exactly where he stands on all the issues, and I will still cast my vote for him.

Why would anyone vote for McCain for the economy when he says that he doesn't understand it?

Anyone????
"In times of hardship and distress, we should be more vigilant than ever in holding corporate abuses to account, as in the case of the housing market.

Well, how convenient, he won't have to look much further than his own campaign - between Charlie Black and Phil Gramm he's got some mighty offenders right in his own house.  

McCain is a walking, talking contradiction - or perhaps hypocrit would be more fitting.

I don't trust McCain on the economy or foreign policy.  Watch his eyes when he speaks - he's nothing but a puppet reading a script - the comprehension just isn't there on either issue.  Truly a weak candidate and another potential disaster for the US.  Or should I say a continuation of our current economic nightmare.
Interesting with all the talk of McCain going after "Hillary's Women " voters MSNBC has not mentioned the articles written about mcCain's horrible trearment of his FIRST WIFE and leaving her for Cindy Mcain when the woman had been deformed in an accident (newsweek covered it).  I am sure women will love this side of him....is this another PASS.  What would you like to bet if Obama had done this an running on character you would be all over it.
McCain = scared of talking about the economy (and when he does he's ineffective).

I like that Obama is practical on what he will do to help repair our economy...its really going to take a team of strong thinkers to figure this all out and then someone with leadership and political will to help get the policies through Congress.

The energy stuff is telling truth to power.  Its hard truth but we have to do whatever we can to shore up our energy policy.
Raising taxes during a recession is always the right thing to do. Not sometimes, always! I look forward to paying higher income taxes, property taxes, sales taxes, and user fees. I look forward to more then half of my paycheck going to the government. Barack Obama, I trust that you'll put the money to good use.
The ONLY way Republicans can "win" on the economy is by scaring americans by saying Democrats want to raise all the taxes, whether justly or not. In this case, McCain keeps repeating that Obama will raise taxes on everyone, especially workers. However, Obama has stated over and over again that he will reduce taxes on the middle class and raise them on the wealthiest 2%.

Now, I know how odd it must sound that raising taxes is the way to save the economy. It sounds like an oxymoron. However, lowering taxes has never ever been proven to work (especially not on corporations and the wealthy) because trickle down theory doesn't work. The interest of the corporations and the interest of the middle class will never line up (not directly at least, however if the middle class is doing really well that means more spending and more profits for corporations and small business in the long run), so saying that we must lower taxes on businesses will never help the middle class. Ever. Just look at the objective facts: every democratic president has had more economic growth by far than any republican president. By being afraid of taxes you're playing directly into the hands of the republicans and their corporate overlords who don't give two wits about your needs.
The only way Obama knows anything about the economy is from when he was in the Illinois Senate. He left the state totally indebt to the tune of billions of dollars. I'm sure he's worked out all the wrinkles though and will make a fiscally strong President.
Listen Folks!  I can't wait to vote for Obama.  I have switched to the Democratic Party.  Truth is, he is half-white...  Everybody forgets that!  

Just look around. The whole world wants him to be President! TRY THIS... CLOSE YOUR BIG STUPID EYES, AND LISTEN TO BOTH CANDIDATES! THAT'S RIGHT!

Not, Even, Close! OBAMA 08/12  
McCain will go after Hillary's voters, but not the women. They won't vote for him because of the scare tactics used by Obama over abortion. It's the blue collar men that voted for Hillary that will now go to McCain. They look at Obama as being anti-American and Anti-White. It's these voters that will put McCain over the top in November.
Navy man John McCain will act decisively against a poor economy by winning the war in Iraq and defeating Iran before they can further harm us with nuc weapons or let terrorists do it.  Do we want a hero or a zero like Jerry Corpus Crist said Jimmy Carter the worst president in history but better than the muslim Obama.
Wake up everybody! More war, don't talk to anyone, lower taxes for the rich, higher prices for those who cannot afford them, erosion of all rights, danger to Roe v Wade, our soldiers disrespected, social security based on the stock market, and more Bush economics/militarism and racism and sexism.  That's what we'll get from McBush.  Contrast that to Obama and is there any question where women like me (64 and white and a worker) will vote?  Also, the youth.  Do the polls call cell phones or text?  Of course not. The youth understand that their future cannot survive another 8 years of BUSH/MCCAIN! So please, understand what the real issues are and go out and support and work for Obama.  That's the solution for the majority of us all!  Obama 08--take back our country.
Kathy:

Sorry, dear, but you do indeed sound bitter.  I realize this is a disappointment to all of you who wanted to vote for a woman and are totally unaware of how incompetent Senator Clinton was with her Health Care debacle.

I supported her until it became clear that she could not run her campaign efficiently.  Why would I want her to run the country?

Moving on to the General....
OK.  McCain just got through his economic policy speech (amid boos and disruptions) and he mostly talked about helping out businesses, supporting NAFTA as is and keeping lower taxes for the rich and the corporations.

Wake up everybody! More war, don't talk to anyone, lower taxes for the rich, higher prices for those who cannot afford them, erosion of all rights, danger to Roe v Wade, our soldiers disrespected, social security based on the stock market, and more Bush economics/militarism and racism and sexism.  That's what we'll get from McBush.  Contrast that to Obama and is there any question where women like me (64 and white and a worker) will vote?  Also, the youth.  Do the polls call cell phones or text?  Of course not. The youth understand that their future cannot survive another 8 years of BUSH/MCCAIN! So please, understand what the real issues are and go out and support and work for Obama.  That's the solution for the majority of us all!  Obama 08--take back our country.
To all young voters out there:

It is foolish to deny history just because you were not born or were still in diapers during the Carter years. Please do your homework because it is bound to happen all over again. One can make fun of McCain because of his age and his flaws but bear in mind that experience is the best teacher. All your discontent with Bush can only worsen our problems by blindly voting for Obama. Most of you will argue that starting from a clean slate is the only solution to our problems. This mindset will only work in theory but not in reality. Here is a stark contrast:
Obama  = Total change
McCain = Fix ONLY the things that are broken

...words cannot move mountains.


Kathy,

You need to get over it. Hillary's history. You have every right to vote for whomever you want to and if it's McCain, than so be it. Apparently you don't care about overturning Roe vs Wade. Apparently you don't care much about the 4,000 lost lives in Iraq either and more to come with McCain. I guess you like paying $4 gallon for gas, too. So, sure, go ahead an vote for McCain......that'll show us Obama supporters!
To Kathy:

McCain loves women like you!  You know your place in society, and hopefully when McCain takes office he will finally be able to put an end to you having "choices." Welcome to the Republican Party!
Still waiting to hear what Republicans will do about the economy.  Do they only have personal attacks?
Boboy, WI - speak about delusional.  TO all us young people - use your own judgment.  

We see what going on in this country now ...Carter is not our current President - George Bush is - for those Republicans..that would like us to forget -

How can John McCain fix only the things that are broken when he doesn't even realize or denies that things are....

We are smarter than the GOP and people like Boboy would want us to be....They want to continue the bush policies and for us young people to fight the war that Bush started and John McCain wants to continue...so they can continue to make billions from it.

Thanks but no thanks Boboy we have our own minds and we are smart.  And the smart choice is Barack Obama

Thank you and GOD BLESS AMERICA
After reading Obama's proposals, Mcshame's lies about it being "tax and spend" are revealed for the B.S. they are. HE wants to spend trillions of our tax dollars on an endless war, HE wants to continue the tzx giveaways to the rich.  So, whose economic plan is smarter---and more like Bush's old, failed policies?!?
Kathy, any chance at all that, after you vote for McWar, you'll ENLIST!!!??
Is the media going to find out what happened to the regulations that were put into place after the great depression? You know, the one that McCain's economic genius got taken off the books? You know the one that regulates banks, commodoties. (oil, and food). And do you wonder why oil and wheat, and corn keeps going up, and up and up? These laws need to be put back into place. That way, these crooks can be put in jail.


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