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McCain 'confused' on foreign policy?

Posted: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 2:04 PM by Domenico Montanaro

From NBC/NJ’s Athena Jones, Carrie Dann and NBC's Domenico Montanaro
Seizing on the phrase "not too important,” the Obama campaign, the Democratic Congressional leadership, and unofficial Democratic dean Sen. Joe Biden have all weighed in, condemning McCain as “out of touch” with the wishes of the American people and their military leaders.

VIDEO: Republican presidential nominee John McCain talks to TODAY's Matt Lauer about troop levels in Iraq.

The Obama campaign -- with surrogates Sen. John Kerry, foreign policy adviser Dr. Susan Rice and former Navy Secretary Richard Danzig -- held a conference call Wednesday morning to argue McCain was “confused” about foreign policy, misunderstood the conflict in Iraq and was out of touch with the concerns of American families with loved ones serving there.

The call was held to respond to John McCain’s comments this morning in an interview on NBC’s TODAY in which he told Matt Lauer it was “not too important” when American forces could come home from Iraq and that, “What’s important is the casualties in Iraq. Americans are in South Korea; Americans are in Japan, American troops are in Germany. That’s all fine.”

Kerry said McCain’s statement was “out of touch and inconsistent” with the concerns of American families with troops in Iraq and argued the Arizona senator had continued to articulate a policy for staying in the country even though American generals have said the military could not sustain forces at the current levels. The former Democratic nominee said he had a message for McCain: "It is important when they can come home. It is important when we can revitalize our military.”

Senate Foreign Relations Chairman Biden, who was not on the call, issued a blistering statement during it, calling McCain's choice of words "evidence that he is totally out of touch with the needs of our troops and the national security needs of our nation."

Majority Leader Harry Reid -- also not on the call -- referred to the phrase as "a crystal clear indicator that he just doesn’t get the grave national-security consequences of staying the course." And the Obama campaign launched a morning conference call headlined by Sen. John Kerry to discuss the comment.

DCCC Chairman Chris Van Hollen released the following statement: “The American people want change and John McCain’s stunning comment today that bringing our troops home from Iraq is 'not too important’ is further proof of his intention to serve George Bush’s third term and make his policies even worse. In fact, if it was up to Senator McCain, he would leave our troops in Iraq indefinitely, spend countless billions more without seeing sufficient Iraqi political progress, and ignore the growing threat Al Qaeda poses in Afghanistan. Democrats are committed to responsibly redeploying our troops from Iraq, taking care of them when they come home with a new G.I. Bill, and finishing the job in Afghanistan.”

DNC Chairman Howard Dean also weighed in. "Senator McCain is wrong. One of the most important questions in this campaign is when and how Senator McCain would bring our troops home from Iraq.  Senator McCain stubbornly refuses to acknowledge that the American people do not want our brave troops in Iraq for 100 years under any circumstances.  They want a president who will end the war responsibly." (*** UPDATE *** The DNC is already up with a Web video attacking McCain on it.)

McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds shot back in an email statement that the Democratic response is a “false” and “baseless political attack” that distorts McCain’s words and muddies Obama’s “willingness to disregard facts.”

“The Obama campaign is embarking on a false attack on John McCain to hide their own candidate’s willingness to disregard facts on the ground in pursuit of withdrawal no matter what the costs.  John McCain was asked if he had a ‘better estimate’ for a timeline for withdrawal,” Bounds wrote. “As John McCain has always said, that is not as important as conditions on the ground and the recommendations of commanders in the field.  Any reasonable person who reads the full transcript would see this and reject the Obama campaign’s attempt to manipulate, twist and distort the truth.”

Kerry listed what he called an "array of contradictions” in McCain’s statements about Iraq and said he needed to conclude the debate he was having with himself on the issue before engaging in one with Obama. The Massachusetts senator said McCain had contradicted himself on how long troops would stay in Iraq and misunderstood the history of violent clashes between Sunnis and Shiites, who leads Iran, how many U.S. troops are deployed in Iraq and who makes up Al Qaeda and that he had offered conflicting reasons for staying in Iraq, first because violence was up and now because it is down.

Rice said McCain did not appreciate the strain the American military was under and that by focusing, along with George Bush, so squarely on Iraq, both had missed the forest for the trees. She also said the Arizona senator had argued that the true leader of Iran was President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad “when "everyone knows it’s ” the Supreme Leader the Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

Danzig said he worried McCain’s statements, which indicated support for an open-ended commitment in Iraq, seemed to back up “the jihadi, the terrorist narrative about U.S. ambitions and U.S. desires in Iraq” and that they showed poor judgment because such remarks by an aspirant to the presidency would be used against America.

The meaning of ‘confused’
During the question-and-answer session, call participants were pressed on whether their use of the word “confused” was meant to suggest that McCain was too old for the job.

Rice said the word was not intended to be a comment on McCain’s age and that it was merely meant to point out that on critical questions the presumptive Republican nominee had “gotten it wrong.” She again listed his comments on Sunnis and Shiites and on identifying the leader of Iran.

Kerry was even sharper in his response. “I think it’s unfair and a little bit ridiculous that because you use a word that’s used every day that you jump to the conclusion that it’s about McCain’s age,” he said. “There are plenty of senators older than McCain who don’t make those mistakes. He cited John Warner and others, who don’t make those mistakes.”

Danzig added that it’s “not a question of age at all.” He said McCain’s statements were “bad judgment” “tempered by inconsistency.”

On a lighter note, Obama spokesman Josh Earnest chimed in, “Now that we’ve cleared up the confusion about the word confused, let’s take the last question.”
 
Here’s part of the transcript from TODAY:
MR. LAUER: When the president, though, came up with this surge at a time where everyone, it seemed, was thinking the contrary, you endorsed it with great conviction and great courage. And a lot of people now say the surge is working.

SEN. MCCAIN: Anybody who knows the facts on the ground say that, yes.

MR. LAUER: If it's working, Senator, do you now have a better estimate of when American forces can come home from Iraq?

SEN. MCCAIN: No, but that's not too important. What's important is the casualties in Iraq. Americans are in South Korea. Americans are in Japan. American troops are in Germany. That's all fine.
American casualties and the ability to withdraw -- we will be able to withdraw. General Petraeus is going to tell us in July when he thinks we are.
But the key to it is we don't want any more Americans in harm's way. And that way they will be safe and serve our country and come home with honor and victory, not in defeat, which is what Senator Obama's proposal would have done.

MR. LAUER: Senator --

SEN. MCCAIN: And I'm proud of them, and they're doing a great
job. And we are succeeding. And it's fascinating that Senator Obama
still doesn't realize that.

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Wow First Read, it took you like 6 hours, but you were finally able to report it!   I know you guys give John McCain the benefit of the doubt on ALL of his gaffes and mistakes because the media is his base, but seriously, he's running as the security President so he shouldn't be allowed to make mistakes on his strongest position!

And I've lost count how many he has made so far and the election is still over 5 months away!
ZING !!
I think military families will disagree with Mr.McCain.
Confused is an excellent way to describe McFossil. Obama SHOULD arrange a few town meetings with this clown.....it will show America that they really DO have a choice between someone articulate, intelligent and classy versus the same old dog food the GOP has put out for the last several decades.
I bet everyone with a loved one in Iraq does think it's important.
More east coast (plus Reid) liberals attacking our military. Biden, Kerry, Reid are like a Whack-a-mole game. You just have to whack them down every time their little heads pop up out of their hole.
From politico.com:

"Asked whether he’d be interested in Cheney had the vice president not already have served under Bush for two terms, McCain said: “I don’t know if I would want him as vice president. He and I have the same strengths. But to serve in other capacities? Hell, yeah.”"

Any democrat or independent who reads that and still wants to vote for McCain care to comment?
The Obama campaign and the DNC needs to launch a series of commercials with John McCain having a debate with himself.  It should be titled "The Maverick McCain" vs "The Republican Nominee McCain" and it can be a debate on all of the most important issues since he takes all sides depending on the day of the week.

A few weeks ago he said the war will be won and troops can start coming home by 2013....the end of his first term.  Now he's saying that troops coming home is "not too important"?

Let the debates between the McCains begin!
McCain was a POW incarcerated and tortured for years. But now he supports torture. So, is this boneheaded, completely out of touch comment surprising.  Nope.
OLD MAN YELLS AT CLOUD!
My understanding what McCain meant about it is that it is his "priority" to reduce casualties without using the said word. It's common sense to reduce casualties FIRST before anyone start thinking ahead of pullout/drawdown/etc from the warzone. It's sad that the Democratics dogs will have a field day on this one by taking it out of context and spinning it to their advantage...talk about the CHANGE they want...it's still the same old sh!tty politics to me.
Dear Mr. BcBombsalot:

Not important?  It's okay for our guys to just wait and bake over there?  Or, would you prefer that they all come home the way my cousin did - in a metal oblong suitcase!  You out of touch, mentally deficient, old G-Damned fool!
Geez, they keep saying that all this war is for the protection of our countries security, but how secure do they expect us to stay if they keep over extending our troops thousands of miles away!!!???  When we need them here on our home ground, they are all going to be in Iraq!! Go Republicans go!!!  So much for protecting us, by taking away and crippling our own military!
"clueless" and "wrong" are much better than "confused."  Confused implies he knows the facts but is having trouble with the interpretation. I don't think he understands enough to be confused.
See, Kerry doesn't understand the overall paradigm, which is understandable because he's nothing but a war protestor. The military is in Iraq to win a war. That is their mission and their goal. All the other social aspects for those warriors that are fighting that war are secondary to the overall mission. McCain understands what it takes to win a war, and with him in charge, we will. Kerry and company know exactly what needs to be done to lose the war, and with Obama in charge, we will.
Obama was asked to comment, but he said he doesn't know much about the military, and his speech writers were not yet done so he didn't have anything he could read to the reporters. Then he popped a Rev Wright video into his DVD, and lit up a cig.
BOO-YAH!!!  Get 'em !!!

OBAMA/ANYBODY BUT HRC '08 & '12
Does anyone else thing John McCain is like Grandpa Simpson...

If his kids were over there do you think he would care a little more than he does now about keep troops overseas... further... if he was not living off his wife's nnheritance do you think he would view economic policy a bit different... maybe he would feel different about blowing millions upon millions of American tax payer money on keeping the troops over there...

I heard a speech he gave where he talked about earmarks... the onyl thing he could come up with was how much he felt that museums were a bad thing... personally... I would rather have museums that celebrate our common heritage than a war that destroys the fabric of our American herritage.
People, read the whole exchange before you start making comments.
What is McCain usually NOT confused about????

http://www.politivine.com
I saw the interview this morning, and believe me, John McCain is really out of touch.  it is very important for me and my family, I want my brother back from Iraq now.  
McCain is no war hero. his actual war record the slightest bit "wonderful". People choose to ignore the fact that McCain ADMITS, both in an interview in the May 14, 1973, issue of U S News & World Report and in his autobiography Faith of My Fathers that, being unhappy with the fact that his captors weren't giving him medical treatment after only four days in custody, he OFFERED to provide the military information which they requested in return for that treatment. That, and not the identity of his father, was why his captors took him to the hospital for treatment. Then, in the hospital, he gave the Vietnamese valid, valuable, current, pertinent military information (the name of his ship, his squadron designation and his target) in return for treatment.

Let's be blunt. Through those actions, McCain betrayed the oath he took when joining the military (and, as a result, he betrayed his country, his country's Navy, his ship and his shipmates) for personal gain.

Yeah let's make him presidnet
McSame, McSame, McSame.  This guy just can't relate to the American people at all.  Doesn't matter if it's the economy, the war, healthcare, etc., he just doesn't get it.  

OBAMA/BIDEN, 2008!
I think it's a very tricky thing for obama and supporters to attack McCain on anything military related. McCain is talking about stabilizing Iraq. To pull out completely without leaving any support structure would be a disaster. Lets take a second to review what happens when we abandon an unstable country with little to no infrastructure (thanks to us) and a generation of orphans (thanks to us).
**AFGANASTAN IN THE 80'S
There is no more perfect recipe for growing terrorists than that. I would go so far as to say it's completely immoral to leave those people in the conditions we've created!
You blew it Senator McCain.

You were caught in your flippant attitude toward the suffering of the family's of our service men, and women, again. We have not forgotten; 'Make it a hundred', or bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran!

The troops are soldiers, and doing the job that they have been immorally commanded to do. But for the love of G-D, you mean spirited poor excuse for a human being, have a heart!
Sen. McCain's comments and actions continue to show a lack of acknowledgement of the sacrifices of the military's families.  From his lack of support for the GI Bill to this comment, I can only say he is insensitive.  We have over $160,000 troops in Iraq with no end in sight. The troops are in the middle of a civil war.  Don't tell us it is NOT important.  There is no comparision to Europe after WWII and South Korea. For a man looking to be our next president, this does not inspire any sort of confidence that he can lead this country.
It's going to be a loooong, hot seat summer for McCain!
Is this transcript accurate?  If it is, my BA in English has not adequately prepared me to follow the logic of Sen. McCain's statement.  If it is not accurate, then the transcriptionist must have been confused!

My own interpretation of what Sen. McCain's answer is that our presence in S. Korea, Germany, and Japan -- all as the result of surrender or cessation of hostilities -- is precedent enough for us to hope for a violence-free presence in Iraq for the knowable future!  This, in spite of the fact that there is no government entity that can call a cease fire, or surrender, to any degree that can be verified.

Or, I am mischaracterizing what Sen. McCain means.  I'm confused.
See, Kerry doesn't understand the overall paradigm, which is understandable because he's nothing but a war protestor. The military is in Iraq to win a war. That is their mission and their goal. All the other social aspects for those warriors that are fighting that war are secondary to the overall mission. McCain understands what it takes to win a war, and with him in charge, we will. Kerry and company know exactly what needs to be done to lose the war, and with Obama in charge, we will.
Dan Rock, Tulsa, OK
**********************************************

Please Mr. Rook with all your military experience: Define just what is VICTORY in Iraq?  The poverty of intellect you display is astounding!!!
... as the flood gates open! Quick somebody help McCai... awww there he goes down river!

Obama '08!
Dan Rock -- you don't know what you are talking about.  Define "victory" in Iraq.  We've defeated their military already.  You can't define vitory because no one in this administration did before going in.  And because you can't define victory in Iraq, you can NEVER win the war.  Is victory when we can sell Britney Spears' albums without a muslim backlash?  How about a Starbucks on every corner in Bahgdad?  What's a win here?  

While you ponder that, we spend $12 Billion a month in Iraq while bridges are collapsing in Minneapolis.  We are going to pay $5 per gallon for gas and unemployment is down.  

Saying the surge is working is like being lost in a car in the middle of nowhere and saying "well, at least we're making good time."  That's plain stupid.  

Every minute our troops are in Iraq increases the probability of war with Iran under the Bush/McCain Doctrine.

This is what happens when personal agenda, coupled with the power to execute it, out weighs the security and interests of the US.
Ron Paul's not waiting in the wings for nothing.  It's worrisome to even watch McCain; the twitches, sneers, the jerks and verbal stumbles.  He's essentially Phil Graham absorbed into a zombie McCain body, mouthing streams of "my friends" and "we will never ever surrender" and then starts laughing at himself.  R rated horror  
How many casualties/deaths have our troops suffered from hostilities in Korea and Japan lately?

What proportion of those countries' populations want us there versus want us out?

Apples and oranges.
Good to know you guys don't take the whole "First Read" thing to literally! lol

You know things are running a little slow when the commenters are reporting the news before you guys! :)
MSNBZZZZ why not blame it on the tourture he went through in NAM while you were sucking on your moms teat you should stick with issues instead of personal attacks you cowards where is your sacrifice to this country how about obamma didnt even ditch the national guard like BUSHIE and we listen to you you are confused get of you unamerican ass and go do something for the country first then get back to confused old man story well obammms RACIST all you typical white women know it sat in a black church 20 years ignored the word of god from his pastor quit his church and still hasnt announced his new religion and you say macain is confused
I hope the troops also see this one, let them say its "not too important"
And WHY are there American troops still in Japan and Germany?  Do we still need a post-WWII presence in these countries after 60 years? Aren't McCain's comparisons between Germany and Iraq a little illogical?

And, since there ARE casualties because we ARE in Iraq, isn't this also illogical?

BTW, John:  when you compare Obama to Carter my twenty-something daughters love it.  Their view of Carter is VERY positive as a statesman, diplomat, and humanitarian.  duh.  

But then, you probably remember when Roosevelt was president.
Imagine if we could pick a candidate by what the candidate had to say and not what the surrogates say.
How do you obbammas show dissent ,probably like the bushies wait until its to late and then turn party and run JIM WEBB was a reagun republican but we love him now sounds crazy
You Obama zealots are rediculous. McCain points out a very simple, true statement: That when the last soldier leaves is not as important as the conditions under which they serve and the result of their service. And then Obama trots out the worst of the Washington Dem elite(Kerry, Biden, Reid) to do his dirty hits for him, dropping ageist remarks and feigning indignation when called out for it. What a hypocrite.
 "McCain is no war hero. his actual war record the slightest bit "wonderful". People choose to ignore the fact that McCain ADMITS, both in an interview in the May 14, 1973, issue of U S News & World Report and in his autobiography Faith of My Fathers that, being unhappy with the fact that his captors weren't giving him medical treatment after only four days in custody, he OFFERED to provide the military information which they requested in return for that treatment. That, and not the identity of his father, was why his captors took him to the hospital for treatment. Then, in the hospital, he gave the Vietnamese valid, valuable, current, pertinent military information (the name of his ship, his squadron designation and his target) in return for treatment"
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Katie in Kentucky, why don't you tell us how tough you would be with two broken arms and a broken leg.  That's not his account in Faith of My Fathers at all.  I suggest you reread it.  It was a source of great personal shame to him that he caved under interrogation, but I would offer that any of us would do the same and probably much sooner.
  Some of you who claim 'he had it easy during Vietnam, he wasn't fighting' and 'he took an early release for PR purposes' or 'if he wasn't a lousy pilot, he wouldn't have been shot down.’  Of course, there are other ignorant gems some of you have put out there but those are some of the more ridiculous ones.   Even if you absolutely hate him and all things Republican, he deserves some credit for what he endured for this country.  He's given a whole lot more than any of us have.  
Mister Anderson from 2:21, that is just downright mean and I would even go as far to say aegist.  You know, discrimination against someone who is old.

My father is in his 70's with a myriad of health problems and I'm a lot more compassionate towards our elderly than it seems some of you are.

Course, my dad isn't running to be President of the free world, or even my house.  So, I understand your point.

p.s. I hope everyone caught the drift of my 1st 2 paragraphs.
C'mon Dan Rock in Tulsa are you really Sgt. Rock?  You republicants sure are some warriors.  What would us poor democrats, libertarians and independents do without you?  You and dusual tx are really on the McCain commander of armies bandwagon...the great hero.  Well that's BS pal.  The way John Kerry was smeared was horrible especially in a campaign with a chicken hawk awol silver spoon in mouth mumbler.
It's understandable that weak minds who takes McCain's words literally will not be able to comprehend at all. Obama folks, it's a waste of time making a mountain out of a molehill...
It's not important, after all we have troops in South Korea, Japan - WHAT? Even there they haven't been there for 3 to 4 consecutive tours of duty????
"The military is in Iraq to win a war"

WHAT WAR?? There is no war.  It is an occupation.  The war was over years ago.  Troops in Germany, Japan and Korea are not occupying forces.  And for the record, show me ONE occupying force in history that has ever won.  Even the Romans got their butts handed to them if they hung around too long.
Obama promises only defeat in Iraq. If elected, he'll pull out the troops within months and chaos in the Middle-East will ensue. $130/barrel of oil? Try $500/barrel after the US leaves. I wonder if General Obama factored that little fact into overall economic plan? Peace in our time indeed.
What took first read so long to post this comment? The blogs have been on fire all day long, yet, MSNBC refused to report McCain's senior moment.

Obama is being held to a different standard when it comes to everything. Is it because he is black man? Why can't McCain be held to the same standard?  
This is a clear example of the differences in what creates outrage among republicans and outrage among Democrats.  The republicans try to start a scandal around Jim Johnson who is voluntarily serving on the VP vetting committee for Obama - this is NOT an issue that relates to the lives of Americans!  The Democrats get upset over a HUGE issue that relates to lives of millions of Americans and how John McSame does not understand what he would be doing to us with this calous attitude.  My son-in-law is in Iraq.  It matters to me.  How dare Bush send our troops innocently into this fraudulent war and how dare McSame treat this issue as if it matters not.  I wish the republicans would quit trying to start rumors and discredit Obama and start looking at the real issues that matter to real people.

The war has not just cost us in lives of our brave young men and women - it has cost us in treasury.  The problems with the economy - including gas prices - can be traced right back to this illegal war.  How much more of this nonsense must we endure?

Could the republicans please keep this to the issues and stay off the nonsense?  Could the republicans please act like grown ups?  

John McSame is not Presidential material.  We need Obama.

Obama/Biden 08/12


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