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Clinton: Sexism, the downfall?

Posted: Friday, June 13, 2008 9:24 AM by Domenico Montanaro

The New York Times pens the big talker of the day: did sexism play a role in Clinton's campaign demise? CNN's Candy Crowley set the terms of the debate as well as anyone in the piece: "Candy Crowley, covering the campaign for CNN, said that for the most part, she did not see a drumbeat of sexism in the daily reporting, “but I certainly did see it in the commentary.” Still, Ms. Crowley said, “it was hard to know if these attacks were being made because she was a woman or because she was this woman or because, for a long time, she was the front-runner.”

VIDEO: Gail Collins of The New York Times sits down with the "Morning Joe" team to discuss Hillary Clinton's failed presidential bid.

Another important quote: “Jeff Greenfield, a political correspondent for CBS News, said that charges of sexism often came through a political prism. ‘Throughout this campaign, people’s perception of the press has been in line with what they wanted to happen politically,’ Mr. Greenfield said. ‘If my person lost, the press did a bad job.’” 
 
Never say never: “Though Clinton folded her campaign last Saturday and endorsed Obama, a few Hillary activists still hope to somehow convince superdelegates to award her the nomination at the Aug. 25-28 convention in Denver. Others want a Clinton write-in campaign for the November ballot. Some plan to sit the election out. And then there are those now behind Republican John McCain. …
 
“Will Bower, an ardent Clinton supporter and co-founder of PUMA, which stands for "Party Unity My A--," recently helped launch Just Say No Deal, a coalition of 80 groups nationwide dedicated to defeating Obama. Bower, 36, of Washington, said he still harbors some hope Obama won't officially be crowned the nominee in Denver, but, meanwhile, he's urging voters to back McCain.”

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she was a good candidate towards the end but she ran a horrible campaign did anyone else notice how better she got as a candidate once Mark Penn was out of the picture

What about the Asian Americans.
Candidates on equal pay.
McCain Getting Special treatment
DNC Should be more like RNC
Most unattractive states during the primary

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Nice! I'm going to google PUMA now and get on their e-mail list!  
That is really stupid. Remember No weapon formed against me shall prosper. It wont work. Barack won the nomination fair and square and what is McCain going to do for you Mr.Bower. Nothing you are probably a true republican anyway
I don't understand where these charges of sexism are coming from.  It's easy to throw the word around, but where is the evidence?  

Sen. Clinton lost the nomination for a variety of reasons, but I don't believe sexism was one of them.  
I assume that one of the qualifications that Will Bower demands for a presidential candidate, is that the person be a defendant in the biggest fraud lawsuit in the country.  That would explain why he is a Hillary supporter.

Obama/Sebelius in 2008.  Integrity matters and the Clintons have none.
Though I like her, I was never a Hillary supporter.

But there was a lot of sexism this year.  Chris Matthews comes to mind right off the bat.  "She only got elected because her husband cheated on her"?

"Pearls or Diamonds" also comes to mind right away.

Are these commentators, maybe.
Hillary, I can only speak for myself.  I got off your train when you started with the fear campaign -- "On his first day as prime minister, Gordon Brown faced an attack .  .  . What will happen when Barack Obama .  .  .  ."  Truthfully, what kind of leader uses fear to gain support?  FDR?  Truman?  Lincoln?  Washington?  No.

You chose the route of Lee Atwater and Karl Rove because winning is the only thing that matters.  You can't govern if you don't win.  How Machiavellian and convenient.

In your Sixty Minutes interview, where you, wide-eyed Hillary, proclaimed, "I don't know if [Obama] is Muslim or not," knowing full well how many in this fear-saturated world view Islam, how honest was that?

Sexism my a--.  Take responsibility for your words -- I encourage my high school students to do as much.  It's not too high of a bar for true leaders to surpass.
It is no wonder that the Democratic Party ends up on the short end of political life, those that claim to be Democrats, yet encourage others to vote for another party's candidate are truly stupid.

What is is even sadder still, the likes of Hillary Clinton encourage them by their gamesmanship.

 With what has happened to this country over the past seven or so years, these stupid people would vote against their own interests just because they dont like the nominee for whatever the reason.....fill in your own blanks.

I fear for the future of this country and am saddened at the lost opportunites to make things better.  The ignorance of some is really appalling.
Everyon is talking about Clinton and sexism. Where was these same people when Monica and Flowers were being sexually victized by Bill. Speaking of double standards. Hillary's own husband is sexist against her and still is.
It's sad the Democratic party has come down to this.

I never disliked Hillary Clinton because she was a woman.
I thought she was too aggressive and too self-absorbed
From dictionary.com   aggressive:
1. characterized by or tending toward unprovoked offensives, attacks, invasions, or the like; militantly forward or menacing
2. making an all-out effort to win or succeed; competitive
3. vigorously energetic, esp. in the use of initiative and forcefulness
4. boldly assertive and forward; pushy
5. emphasizing maximum growth and capital gains over quality, security, and income

Couple this with the damage her husband did to the Office of President, and the respect it SHOULD have had, and I just can't in good conscience vote another Clinton into the White House.
And on that line of thought... NO ONE showed her more disrespect as a woman OR a partner than did her own husband.
It irritates me to no end that a large portion of those Clinton supporters WON'T admit that the only reason they support her is because she is a woman.
Not because of her experience.
Not because of her beliefs.
Not even because of her plans for the nation.
JUST because she is a woman.
This reverse sexism is just as wrong as me not voting for her on the grounds she is female.
Will Sir Elton be there to call
America "Woman Haters"...
Name calling so low for the monarchy...
Queen Hillary and the village people it takes...
This late in the game, such division still in the party is NOT GOOD.  I never heard of PUMA before I read this First Read Blog -- but if Will Bower is urging voters to vote for Mccain, that is not good for the Dem Party or our Country.
Typical that Hillary and her followers try to pass the balme for her arrogant ignorant losing cmapaign on the press instead of on themselves.  It wasn't sexism that sank her campaign.  Her campaign lost because they were too stupid to plan for a campaign past February 5th and too lazy to contest the caucus states.

Hillary lost because of her own stupidity and her hiring of idiots like Marc Penn who came up with the wrong strategy, message and financing plan.  She wasted a lot of money on 2 press planes early on as she wanted to have her big press circus constantly reinforcing her inevitability to win.

Hillary can't blame the press for her inveitable loss, she can only blame herself and her incompetent campaign staff.

Go Obama 08/12!
Here we go again !

Still focusing on the Clintons.
Did some people in the media say some sexist things? Yes.
Did they come from the Obama camp ? No
Did it affect the vote and hence the reason she lost ... NO

ON the other hand .. was there some racially charged comments and voters against Obama .. YES YES YES.
And he overcame them and won.

Once again .. it's done.
Even Romney moved on adn did not complain about the anti-mormon vote.

So put up or go on vacation... or vote for McCain.
Just know if you do that, you will prove all the stereotypes about disgruntled women that we think of.
We have a campaighn to run.

Wa
These Clinton staffers are beginning to look like the residents in the Fuhrerbunker in the spring of 1945.  THEY had no grip on reality, either!
Still stirring the ashes?

Yawwwwwn.
I don't understand Hillary supporters that won't back Obama now. If they are voting on issues they should be rallying behind him because Obama and Hillary had almost identical policies. McCain is the polar opposite of both. Do you really want to keep the country heading downhill because Clinton didn't win the nomination? Remember elections are about the good of the country, not any individual. If you liked Hillary then you must not be able to stand republicans. If you want to support her then vote Obama. Having McCain in office definitely isn't going to help her political agendas. Universal healthcare won't happen, the war won't end, the economy won't turn around, and oil companies will still dominate the political agenda in Washington. Please look at the issues and vote on who shares your view. A vote should not be used as retribution towards a candidate of your own party.
It is asinine to suggest that Clinton lost because of sexism. She lost because she ran a terrible campaign. When you just figure you are going to win by a certain date, spend money on everything, and are out of money to continue your campaign when you don't win when you say you will, the problem is YOU.

I think it is the worst thing ever to keep blaming everyone else for Clinton's own failings.
Some on the left seem to think that anyone to the right of them are Republicans.  If the Dems want to win in November they had better make a case that their agenda will be respectful of conservative democrats, not alienating.

When Obama says, "Our time has come", I have to wonder who the "Our" includes.  
Did Hillary lose because of sexism? I don't think she lost it exclusively because of sexism but it did not help.

It seems that many Obama supporters say sexism did not exist almost as if by admistting that sexism did exist they would be supporting Obama less.

Sexism is prevelent in the US and all around the world. The US is 232 years old, women have only been able to vote for 88 of those years. maybe it is too early for many Americans to think "Madame President".

It is not Obama's fault that he is a man, but if he were a woman with the same resume...he would not be the presumptive nominee...so saying sexism does not exist...especially the women on this blog is just foolish.

I don't understand where these charges of sexism are coming from.  It's easy to throw the word around, but where is the evidence?  

Sen. Clinton lost the nomination for a variety of reasons, but I don't believe sexism was one of them.  
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Gail in TN, I don't think she lost it due to sexism either.  I am in total agreement there.  But there certainly were examples of sexism:  the Hillary nutcracker, the 'Hillary iron my shirts', the Chris Matthews 'she only got her Senate seat because her husband cheated on her', etc.  We were all outraged when Geraldine Ferraro made her comments, because they were outrageous.  But where was our outrage when the sexist comments were made?  I'm as guilty as anyone because I hate Hillary.  But I think there's a case to be made that some of the coverage was somewhat sexist.  
Why do you even give this story any legs. The organization does not even have a website.
Hey, Bobbi, before you join PUMA, don't forget to sign the "Ex-Hillary Fans For McCain" Pledge...

http://www.katiehalper.com/sign-quotexhillary-fans-mccainquot-pledge

If you plan on voting for Uncle Fluffy simply out of spite, remember who you're getting...

- The candidate who once offered the following joke at a GOP fundraiser:  "Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?  Because Janet Reno is her father."

- The candidate who opposed a measure that would have extended the rights for workers to sue for equal pay and couldn't be bothered to show up to vote on the bill.

- The candidate who has voted consistently against a woman's reproductive rights and freedoms

- The candidate who abandoned his first wife after starting an affair with a beer heiress.

- The candidate who called his current wife the worst thing you can call any woman (rhymes with "stunt").
Unfortunately. I would say YES it did!

Let's be honest with ourselves.  How many people has asked ourselves - Do we want a woman running this country?  I am sure most of you ask yourself that critical question.

Now, Those same people are asking themselves - Do we want an african American leading this country?

It's human nature!!!

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The thing that puzzles me is that Clinton supporters say that Senator Obama himself was sexist towards Senator Clinton.  When asked to provide examples, they cite his "likeable enough" comment and the speech where he brushed his shoulders.

Huh?

I consider myself a pretty intelligent person and my co-workers and friends consider me to be a pretty smart guy...but someone's going to have to explain this to me because I just don't get it.
Sexism made Hillary Clinton hire Mark Penn. Sexism made Hillary Clinton fail to plan beyond Super Tuesday. Sexism made Hillary Clinton fail to organize in caucus states.

See? Hillary Clinton lost because of sexism.
PUMA,

Bitterness, and resentment are toxic. They have no power. They will not take you where you want to go. You will arrive at a place, known as despair. Frustration, and regret, are the spoils of the kind of war you seek to wage.  

The truth of the matter is that the one person who wronged Hillary was Bill.  Where was the outrage from these women when he cheated on her.  Why is she not willing to discuss this?  All she was interested in doing was digging up dirt on the women that had the nerve to accuse her husband - if that it not sexism what is?

Hillary decided to ride the sexism train when she realized that a few tears may have contributed to her win in New Hampshire.  She ran a lousy campaign had all the wrong advisors all of which were much bigger contributors to her loss.

Is there sexism?  Of course, but as a woman I find it highly insulting that it is being used to explain away a loss.  Grow up!

She is totally unfit to be President.  We need a strong leader not a whiner that cries everytime that events do not work out in her favor.
Looks to me like Katie Couric is just trying to improve her lousy ratings.  Sorry Katie but seems like you will need to get your own Bill Clinton whose coattails you can ride on.
 Although it came later than I had hoped, I thought Hillary's speech last Saturday was a positive first step in uniting the party and moving forward with causes both Hillary and Barack embrace.  

 Bobbi - You seem to relish the role of dissenter in the comments.  I'm for open discussion, but please provide some basis for your argument.  I would be equally disappointed if Obama had lost, but I'd still see Clinton as closer to the truth I hold dear than McCain.  Is it McCain's view on the economy? (Not his strong suit, in his words).  Is it the likelihood he will replace three Supreme Court Justices with conservatives? (Say goodby, Roe v. Wade).  Is it his stance on Iraq?  He has yet to define what "victory" is or when we troops can return.  It doesn't matter.  Well, it matters to my friends that are going there for their third rotation.  It matters to their families that are being left behind.  It matters.  
Just My Opinion:  

You're right...my selective memory strikes again!

My bad!
Sexism may have played a very small role. I have never pushed this issue and won't start now. My problem is and always has been, racism and naivete. Jumping on the bandwagon of a 1 term Senator. Doing so because he is a "historic" or "inspiring" candidate is completely moronic. Watching him use his race as a perceived "handicap" to "overcome" has been a sideshow I don't want tickets to. The "messiah" complex of this guy is equally revolting. Does anyone really know who the he** this guy really is?
Where is Hillary?  She has been silent since Saturday while a good chunk of her dedictated constituency is proudly exclaiming that they will vote for McCain.

What happened to party unity?
What happened to working hard for the Democratic nominee no matter who it is?

It is typical Clinton.  Lie about the support and only care about herself.

All of you Hillary turned McCain supporters should be ashamed of yourselves.  She lost by her own actions, mismanagement and sense of entitlement.  It is not Obama's fault or the media's fault she ran a bad campaign.  Stop acting like sore losers and wake up to the reality that voting for McCain is voting for a continuation of the last eight years only worse: at least B*&h has some respect for women!
Bower= another gay guy who is mad alpha mommy lost.

Look, as a feminist, I am sickened by the sexism claims across the board. Hillary acted like a man and asked to be treated such. Matthews was right, though said in an undelicate manner. Hillary is ONLY where she is now because of her husband. We can't know if she would have been a senator on her own without Bill and never will, but we do know that she calculatedly stayed married to a serial philanderer for her own political gain. That was their pact, period. She took a bet on being the winner, ran a horrible campaign to the point she became Bubba girl swillng whisky and patting the boys on the ass. Well, she did win those rednecks at the end, but how differently we would all be talking if Wisconsin, VA, NC or any of the other states where Obama won big, were primaries held instead at the end of the cycle. And now to BOO HOO her way back onto the national stage is just ridiculous. We had to give the woman and her supporters 'time to get over it' and 'time to accept the loss...' WTF is that all about? I don't hear Boxer, Pelosi, Feinstein, Landreau, Mikulski or the rest of the women in Congress belly aching like babies! What man would get "respect" and "time" to leave the race? NONE. This is an embarrassing illustration of sexism, but not on the part of the media or Obama supporters, but on the part of Hillary and her mob.
Talk about fear-mongering! All of the threats to overturn Roe-v-Wade are getting old! SCJ's need congressional approval. Come on guys, give me something better than that.
HRC started out the campaign as the favorite. She received good contributions. (mine included) I started to turn at the Bosnia lie. "Only McCain and I are qualified" along with "thirty-five years experience" and voting record on the war, convinced me and many more she was not a patriot, but an opportunist. Integrety, Truth and Vision are very important prerequsites for the job of president. She is not qualified. Support the candidate!! Barak Obama.
I'd love to see a woman as President---just not Clinton.  So to PUMA, I say, SMA; Sexism My A**!
Being that McCain is courting Clinton voters now, the best think for Obama to do is to put her on the ticket as VP. That would bring most of us back. It would bring me back for sure, because as of now, I am not interested in voting for Obama without Clinton on the ticket. I would write her name in on my ballot in Nov.
IT WAS NOT JUST SEXISM. IT WAS BLATANT PROMOTION OF HATE. THE HATE TOWARD SENATOR CLINTON HAS NEVER BEEN EXPLAINED. I SAY IT WAS HATE BY MEN WHO ARE TOO WHIMPY TO ACCEPT A FEMALE LEADER. LITTLE MAN SYNDROME.
MSNBC WAS AS BAD AS FOX IF NOT WORSE IN SPITTING OUT HATE TOWARD SENATOR CLINTON. THEY SET THE TONE FOR DITTO HEADS TO FOLLOW AND THERE ARE SO MANY DITTO HEADS IN THE COUNTRY ( LIKE THE LIMBAUGH FOLLOWERS). SHE WAS BEATEN BY HATE FILLED DITTO HEADS AND MEN WITH LITTLE MAN SYNDROME.
Pete - Albany, NY (Sent Friday, June 13, 2008 10:03 AM)

I don't get it either, Pete.  They also cite when he pulled our her chair for her in debates.  Apparently, good manners are sexist.
THE ORGANIZATION SHOULD BE CALLED "LOSERS.COM"

I BET THIS SAME GROUP BELIEVES ELVIS IS STILL ALIVE!!!
Bobbi, Eau Claire, WI (Sent Friday, June 13, 2008 9:32 AM)

Bobbi, voting for a candidate that is diametrically opposed to every position that benefits you is crazy vindictive. I think there will be enough time before the convention for most hardcore Clintonites to come around to realize that electing John McCain will be rewarding the GOP for their criminal performance of the last 7 years. I hope that you can see your way fit to aid in the landslide that will happen in November. If you can't, well good luck to you with your new party affiliation.
Sexism was only an issue because the Clinton's made it one. When it was clear they were losing, they had to blame someone, or something, it couldn't be they  screwed up - only planning a campaign through Feb 5th because they would have it wrapped up by then. Talk about cockey! When Hrc was out of money she was on every network, talk show, even went on fox with Bill O... Billary was on Rush's show. Hillarbee seemed plenty cozy with the media, fox news, and even McCBush. Plus everytime she "found her voice" it was like she was testing a new personality. Not very authentic. Talk about the hail Mary, "RFK was assinated in june". Twisted!
IT WAS NOT JUST SEXISM. IT WAS BLATANT PROMOTION OF HATE. THE HATE TOWARD SENATOR CLINTON HAS NEVER BEEN EXPLAINED. I SAY IT WAS HATE BY MEN WHO ARE TOO WHIMPY TO ACCEPT A FEMALE LEADER. LITTLE MAN SYNDROME.
MSNBC WAS AS BAD AS FOX IF NOT WORSE IN SPITTING OUT HATE TOWARD SENATOR CLINTON. THEY SET THE TONE FOR DITTO HEADS TO FOLLOW AND THERE ARE SO MANY DITTO HEADS IN THE COUNTRY ( LIKE THE LIMBAUGH FOLLOWERS). SHE WAS BEATEN BY HATE FILLED DITTO HEADS AND MEN WITH LITTLE MAN SYNDROME.
I am a mid-50s black male who watch this whole campaign with growing distaste.  While I applaud the success of Obama he has proven the point and opened the door as I see it, but is not qualified in the final analysis to be POTUS.  Had he more time on the national stage, or a term as govenor of Illinois my feelings might be different.  That said I also cannot support a John McCain presidency, though I believe that's exactly what we are in for.  Truth is, I am more comfortable with a moderate republican with a track record and national experience than I am with an individual who 2 years ago was a state senator who's claim to fame was a speach before the DNC convention.  I guess I am another Hillary write-in (since I also believe in voting).
The cougar (Puma concolor), also puma,...
You can only love these media types with their double-standard.  Clinton's comments on Bosnia and other gaffes are representative of a bad campaign.  And yet, the media's own mistakes are "corrected quickly and that the network’s overall coverage was fair" -- never that it was bad journalism.  It is time the public decides whether it wants to be sheep led around by the nose by the 4th estate or it holds the media and others accountable for their bias and unfairness.
Does anyone really know who the he** this guy really is?
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Yes, in Illinois where he won the primary and leads by more than 25% in the polls over McCain, we know who he really is and we really like him. By the way he also leads in the the polls in Wisconsin.
Obama's theft of the Democratic nomination, with the assistance of Dean, Pelosi, endorsers, and the Rules Committee, represents the most audacious case of job discrimination in history, based on sex.    

You bet there was sexism -- and right at the core of the Democratic party!  Consider this. Obama willfully withdrew from competing in Michigan, knowing Hillary would stomp him.  He then sent lawyers to Michigan to suppress the re-vote, which, if held, would have brought that state into full compliance with DNC rules, and all Michigan delegates would have been fully seated and counted.  What sort of "Democratic" candidate suppresses a popular vote?  What sort of "Democratic" candidate, after suppressing a popular vote and failing to compete for delegates in the originally scheduled primary, has the audacity to argue to the Rules Committee that he should be awarded as many delegate votes as the candidate who actually competed in and won that primary?  

The DNC broke longstanding rules, when it awarded Obama "uncommitted" delegates from Michigan.  Uncommitted delegates are free to vote as they wish at the convention, and, by party rules, are not counted as representing any particular candidate, prior to the convention.  The DNC went beyond all boundaries of logic and decency when it further awarded some of Hillary's hard won delegates to Obama.

Does anyone honestly think, if Obama had been in Hillary's shoes, that the DNC would have grabbed delegates won by a black candidate and given them to a white woman, who chose not to even compete in that state?  No!  The charges of racism would have resounded.  But the DNC was unconcerned that charges of sexism, due to a  man being given votes rightfully won by a woman, could deter its actions.  

Hillary was also the first candidate in any nominating contest to have Democratic superdelegates, at Obama's bidding, paraded again and again on tv insisting that Hillary drop out of the race, when neither candidate had the requisite number of delegates to claim the nomination.  Again, if a black candidate was treated that way, Sharpton and friends would have been screaming at the top of their lungs.  Yet the media joined in on the chorus insisting that Hillary withdraw, instead of reporting on the blatant sexism evident in Obama's superdelegates' behavior.

There is a growing group of Democrats who see that the type of "change" Obama represents is a regression.  Obama uses the race card, in a cold, calculated way, to suppress opposition.  And the inherent sexist bias of the media and party was his greatest tool in winning the nomination.

I will join the growing group of Democrats who want this fraud defeated in November.    
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