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On the issues: Revisiting Pakistan

Posted: Monday, June 16, 2008 12:09 PM by Domenico Montanaro

From MSNBC.com’s Andy Merten
With last week’s news that a U.S-led airstrike killed Pakistani troops along the Afghan border, it is worth revisiting the issue in the context of the 2008 presidential campaign. It is a topic that McCain sought to attack Obama on back in February, as he moved closer to clinching the Republican nomination. 

“Will we risk the confused leadership of an inexperienced candidate who once suggested bombing our ally, Pakistan?” McCain asked an audience at his Wisconsin primary night victory party.

The following day, when asked in a press conference to elaborate on the point, McCain stood his ground. “You make plans, and you work with the other country that is your ally and friend, which Pakistan is,” he said.
 
McCain’s invocation of Pakistan as a campaign issue has not remained a part of his stump speech -- likely because the economy has taken center stage. 
 
“With respect to Pakistan, I never said I would bomb Pakistan,” Obama said during an NBC News debate in February. “What I said was that if we have actionable intelligence against bin Laden or other key al-Qaeda officials, and we -- and Pakistan is unwilling or unable to strike against them, we should.”

The Bush administration has followed this path, using unmanned drone aircrafts to strike at targets believed to be al-Qaeda camps along the Afghan-Pakistan border. The McCain campaign has not come out against the practice, but it has criticized the instances in which Obama has used it as a campaign talking point.

Instances of these types of U.S.-led attacks have happened both in January of this year, and, of course, last week, when strikes reportedly killed 11 Pakistani paramilitary troops.

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This is the Bush Administration's last hope for credibility - they want to find Osama Bin Laden - finally.

This has been Senator Obama's objective since day one.
If we get out of Iraq will can deal with the Afghan border

In recent days, there has been a spate of news reports on the troubled negotiations between the Bush administration and the Iraqi government concerning the under-construction agreement that will govern the presence of U.S. troops and military bases in Iraq. The Washington Post reports on the front page:

Top Iraqi officials are calling for a radical reduction of the U.S. military's role here after the U.N. mandate authorizing its presence expires at the end of this year. Encouraged by recent Iraqi military successes, government officials have said that the United States should agree to confine American troops to military bases unless the Iraqis ask for their assistance, with some saying Iraq might be better off without them.
"The Americans are making demands that would lead to the colonization of Iraq," said Sami al-Askari, a senior Shiite politician on parliament's foreign relations committee who is close to Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki "If we can't reach a fair agreement, many people think we should say, 'Goodbye, U.S. troops. We don't need you here anymore.'"

See the disconnect? McCain and Bush insist that we have no choice but to keep a large number of U.S. soldiers in Iraq. But Iraqi pols allied with the government look at U.S. troops presence as something that is optional. If these Iraqis can have the Americans there on their own terms, it's fine. If not, their position is, bye-bye.
Looks like the McCain Double Talk Express is in high gear.
To McCain's question that he put forth back in February, "will we risk having confused leadership", with regard to Obama's stance that if Pakistan continued to act impotently, that we ourselves should act, I think McCain should now be made to answer his own question, given that his hugger/cousin, (Bush), has done just as Obama advised.

Someone from the media, please ask him.
Obama's strategy is no different than Bush's.  Interesting.

I've never had a comment posted.  Let's see if this one gets through.
Lisa, New Britain, CT

Jo Jo, it doesn't.

It merely shows me that you cling to two remarks that were two of hundreds of thousands stated by this candidate.  Vote on two remarks if you must, and disregard every substantive issue.  You have that right.  But don't think that your clinging to the remarks sways any of the rest of us.
Lisa, New Britain, CT

_________

One word Lisa. "Macca".

And I'm not trying to sway anyones vote. If you want to vote for a racist, the by all means do so.
Why only mention the strike that killed Pakistani paramilitary troops, and not specifically mention the strike that killed one of the heads of Al Qaeda?
Thanks First Read for putting out the facts instead of just reporting he said she saids.
if he tries to go there now, Obama has another solid point... where Bush did exactly what Obama suggested and killed the #3 Al Queida leader.

McConfused looses on all fronts here because IF Pakistan wants to hesitate on good intelligence that an Al-Queida leader is in a certain location, we have every right to bomb that location before that person gets away.
McCain: 0
Obama:  Much more than McCain

Here's another instance, and probably one of many more to come, where McCain has talked himself into a corner by simply disagreeing with whatever Senator Obama posits as a way to ameliorate global terrorism.

I think McCain would be much better served to actually establish his own specific foreign policies and tout those particular strategies, rather than simply rally against anything Obama espouses.

He has to remember, Obama is much smarter than he is, and his team is has much greater breadth and depth than team McCain.  If he continues to pursue this strategy of "whatever Obama says is wrong", he's going to need a surgeon to extricate his head from his anus come November.

Obama 08
There you go again Barack, changing your story. I suppose you could use the ever popular 'Taken out of context' line of bs you and your minions are always using. Barack, you're nothing but a back bencher that just so happens to be at some sort of political fantasy camp. The fantasy is coming to end Barack, are you ready to fall down and go boom?
McFossil needs to be a bit more cautious how he throws the term "confused" around.

I looked up confused in Websters and it has McFossil's portrait next to the definition.

What a tool McFossil is!
Senator McCain:

OOPS!

This is what your/GWB's military policy gets us.  More families without sons on both sides of the conflict.  I'm sure your counterpart in the White House didn't "intend" to bomb Pakistan either.  

Problem is, and I realize that you don't understand this with all of your foreign policy "experience," that the Pakistani border is where Al Qaeda is holed-up and living large, so to speak, not in Iraq.  If Pakistan is such an ally, why aren't they purging Al Qaeda from their country?

In a part of the world where an-eye-for-an-eye dominates, we cannot afford to give the other side more fuel for the fire.  I don't advocate bombing Pakistan in any way, shape or form.  On the other hand, we aren't getting much cooperation from the Pakistani government and we seem to keep finding, and killing, major Al Qaeda operatives there (by bombing them, what a concept!).  

So what do we do, Senator McCain?  The real threat is in Pakistan, our "ally."  You are so against bombing them as well as talking.  Musharraf doesn't seem to be able to control his country so talking with him probably won't do us any good.  How about some answers, starting with Pakistan, and showing us that you aren't just full of hot air on foreign policy.
Sen. McCain always remains confused.  How do you bomb the very alies you say you are working with?

If Sen. McCain were so smart on foreing policy why didn't he stand up to prevent the war?  

Why is he so "WAR" focused, that's all he talkes about in every speech, in every CAMPAIGN AD, It's his family's war record, or his capture and his commitment to the Service.

Sen. McCain many have give their lives for our country you got BLESSED you survived.  That' more than we can say to the children and families who lost a love one in ths misdirect war.

We admire and appreciate your service, you are a hero but hero status does not EQUATE TO PRESENTIAL MATERIAL>

We The People will apply the same standards that we have applied for every candidate to run for the Office of the President.  Sen. McCain we will not give you a PASS for Hving served.

You more than anyone should know the affect of war on families and especially those who don't return and those who limbs and bodies are injured for life.

For some reason, WAR is the only thing we hear from you.  Cleary there is some confusion.

The IRAQ President just this weekend said the US talks relative to keeping our Troops are at an IMPASS and that IRAQ will not agree to the agreement that has not been Sent To the CONGRESS FOR APPROVAL>

We can only wonder why else you insist on staying for years when the head of IRAQ has said no.
So I guess that Obama had it right all along,What is the bomber saying now?Will he admit that Obama has more knowledge on the subject,will he say that the Prez took Obamas plan and will now say it was there plan  or with all the experience that he claims to have that this was a secret plan that only he knows about it ?Or will he just come clean and admit that he really dosn't have a clue what is going on unless there is someone close behind him that can correct what it is that he has said?
Sen. Obama focus has always been on Pakistan and finding the Real Culprit

Funny now the Administration has made it a Priority before leaving Office to Leave A LEGACY of some VALUE

Right Fight Wrong Reasons

Too Little Too Late

But thanks for agreeing with Sen. Obama

Imagine if we had followed the Right Person how different our Economy would be now!
So Hypocrite McSame believes it's OK for the Bush administration to conduct unilateral raids without the advance knowledge of sovereign nations (the core of the "Bush Doctrine") but it isn't OK for Obama to hypothesize on whether such an action is ever advisable.  Go figure.
It doesn't matter, anyone who thinks that Obama will win the General Election is a fool, they are already writing Off Ohio and Florida for McCain, he is pinning hopes on Virginia, Georgia, Mississippi and Louisiana, all of which have closed primaries and the vast majority of the democratic party in all southern states are blacks, but they fail to tell you that the vast number of voters are white republicans, Obama doesn't stand a chance in any southern state in the GE, he may also loose Pennsylvania and Michigan.

Of course MSNBC "The Obama Network" would never publish a reaistic view like this one...
Clayton, you are adorable!
McCain said that things were improving in the middle east, good judgement call mccain.

We finally know whos behind the smears about obama
Candidates on equal pay.
McCain’s Clayton Williams problems
Bring It On GOP
Candidates on Social security
Its All About Taxes

http://sensico.wordpress.com/
Where's Osama? Walmart store just outside of Cary NC. Works in the hunting department. Real good with the guns.
What exactly is Clayton M. Teebs, of Arkansas, talking about?

I guess he would rather continue to sit in Iraq because Mc-Mini-Me keeps saying the surge is working than to go after the person that really hit us on 9/11.

Ask Mc-Stuck-On-Stupid if the surge will continue to work if the US stops paying the fighters to not fight.  That will be the tell, tell sign not this broken record that McLoop keeps singing.
"There you go again Barack, changing your story." Clayton M. Teebs, Arkansas

Where in this story was there anything at all about Obama changing his story?  Come on Arkansas, don't continue to make your state look bad by stating falsehoods.
One wonders why it is that those who "rail" against Obama don't have anything substantive to say ... just name-calling and insults.  Is that a measure of their inability to comprehend more complex ideas??

On the other hand ... thank goodness they are few and far between.  America does have a chance to bring intelligence and insight to its government at last.
McCain will win WI. AA's in Milwaukee and Madison Libs can't carry our whole state. The rest of us are "typical hard-working white people" We voted for obama in the primary but, since wright & co have emerged, have had buyers remorse. Make no mistake about it, McCain will take WI. As for me, I'll write-in Hillary!
This is just more Republican propoganda-speak.
I love the way McCain flip-flops on an alarmingly large number of previous statements HE has made.
I also love the way people choose "sound bites" from everyone's comments. Not just McCain's or Obama's but even Bush's.
I was taught at a young aqe that Saten can qoute scripture to suit his purpose. Same principle applies here.
People are taking one line from a paragraph and adding another line and twisting it to mean what they want.


Demo:  "Judas took a rope and hung himself."..."Go ye therefore, and do likewise"


I find it all sad but entertaining.
Obama is a FRAUD - and will never be elected - he is too radical.  He will NOT debate - because he CAN'T!
He has ZERO foreign policy knowledge and cannot answer a direct question.  Guess now he will give another speech - on what he really meant.
There you go again Barack, changing your story. I suppose you could use the ever popular 'Taken out of context' line of bs you and your minions are always using. Barack, you're nothing but a back bencher that just so happens to be at some sort of political fantasy camp. The fantasy is coming to end Barack, are you ready to fall down and go boom?
Clayton M. Teebs, Arkansas (Sent Monday, June 16, 2008 12:35 PM)


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Clayton,

They say Arkansas has the worst system of education in America.

You are now the poster child of such a humiliating assessment. Your post clearly shows you have no skill in reading comprehension.
Clayton M. Teebs, Arkansas writes:

There you go again Barack, changing your story. I suppose you could use the ever popular 'Taken out of context' line of bs you and your minions are always using. Barack, you're nothing but a back bencher that just so happens to be at some sort of political fantasy camp. The fantasy is coming to end Barack, are you ready to fall down and go boom?
Clayton M. Teebs, Arkansas (Sent Monday, June 16, 2008 12:35 PM)
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You are fool. Read and learn. Maybe next time your post will make some sense.
Clayton (Arkansas) -

What are you talking about?  How has he changed his story?  Sen McCain is distorting and misrepresenting what Sen Obama said at the debate.    

Sen Obama said that if there were proof that bin Laden or any Al Qaeda were in Pakistan and Pakistan took no action (because they were unable or wouln't), then the US would.  He did not say that the US would just arbitrarily bomb Pakistan as Sen McCain would have us believe he said.

Obama '08
Pakistan has been hiding Al Quaeda for years.  Why does this make them our ally?  The fact that Bush finally took action in Pakistan probably means one of his advisers has been listening to Obama, and said to themselves, "What a great idea!  Why didn't we think of that?"
Obama will just say anything to fool people to vote for him.
before others start up with Obama is no different than Bush... there's a huge difference.  Obama made the suggestion during the early democratic primaries and was blasted by both sides... then Bush was put in the situation that was presented to Obama (hypothetically) and he followed Obama's lead.

McCain on the other hand is telling everyone that he would do everything that Bush would do... after Bush already implemented it... huge difference.

Obama is a leader... McCain is a follower.
Wake up, Obama is well-known amongst delegates but unpopular/untrustworthy with respect to the majority.
This may be a little off topic but i think that it is relevant to McCain and his GOP Harlots . . .

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/a-warning-to-my-old-repub_b_106676.html
That region should be we are focusing our efforts.  We lost that when the Bush administration stopped caring about finding Bin Laden.  Do we need to do what we can to defend our troops?  Yes we should.  It should also be made clear with the current Pakistani government that it is their responsiblty to make sure no one goes over their boarder.  If they can't do it, we "might help out with that task."
Molly, your ability to find the caps lock button doesn't hide your inability to define a candidate on the actual issues and facts of a campaign.
Molly = defeated feminist
Bobbi, Eau Claire, WI: '...McCain will win WI. AA's in Milwaukee and Madison Libs can't carry our whole state. The rest of us are "typical hard-working white people"...'

Bobbi, latest U of Wi poll (from RCP):
Obama  50
McCain 37

You must be the dumbest white person in Wisconsin
Nobody else seems to agree with you, Bobbi
bobbi...

not sure what you're basing your numbers on, right now, Obama is up in WI by 8%
Molly

You are wrong on all counts.  Sen Obama does not have to make another speech about what he meant - because he was very clear the 1st time and his position has not changed.  Open your ears and listen instead of just spouting venom.  You might be surprised at what you will learn.

Sen Obama happens to be a pretty good debater - and getting better all the time.   It's pretty universally understood that Sen McCain and his campaign is not too eager to face Sen Obama in a debate -- remember all those "town halls" Sen McCain would like to have?  How quickly we forget.

Obama '08
One of the many ironies to people who are critical of Obama is the republicans (at some of them) argue semi-coherent policy issues to explain why they won't vote for Obama. Hilary dead enders use nothing but hyperbole and ridiculous talking points to explain why the can't vote for Obama(Molly, Bobbi from WI, etc). Who would of thought that there was a segment of democratic voters who were more irrational then republicans!!!
Bobbi, Eau Claire, WI (Sent Monday, June 16, 2008 12:53 PM):

Bobbi:

It seems no matter what you decide to do you lose. If you vote for McCain and he wins you lose (the whole country loses). Write in Hillary who is no longer a nominee and who can't be elected and you lose. Vote for Obama and if he wins you lose because you don't like him. Anything you do comes out with a losing result. How does it feel to be a loser Bobbi? You and Molly need to get together and form some kind of Club for Losers. You could be Presdient of the Club and Molly can be your VP.
Molly---

I will get back with you when Obama takes the Oath of Office!

You will be nowhere to be found I am sure!

Lotta talk there Molly!

See ya in November!
MSNBC IS TIM'S NETWORK DON'T EVEN ATTEMPT TO SAY THEY ARE THE OBAMA NETWORK.

MSNBC IS THE FAIR AND BALANCED NETWORK AND WILL CONTINUE IN THE TRADITION THAT TIM SET

SO IF YOUR CANDIDATE CANNOT STAND THE HEAT PERHAPS HE SHOULD GET OUT OF THE KITCHEN.

THE BEST POLITICAL NETWORK IN THE BUSINESS
I think the docs need to adjust McFossil's fiber intake to Metamucil ratio!

He seems a little pent-up!

It really is tougher on him on the campaign trail. Irregular meals= Irregular...well you can do the math!
Lets keep it simple for America. A vote for Mcsame is a vote for my third term. Period.

Molly and Bobbi, I suggest you take your mud slinging elsewhere. In honor of Mr. Russert, we on this blog are going to talk about real issues, with real facts, and real opinions, rather than baseless and nasty remarks. We have seen enough of that for now, and are ready for a good, substantive debate, without you two. That's the good that will come of such a tragic loss--and I hope you will respect that!
If you want to vote for a racist, the by all means do so.
               Jo Jo Foster, Middleton, C
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Having a white mother and being raised by his white grandparents, where, on earth, do you get that Obama is racist? That's absurd. Perhaps YOU are the one that is racist???????
Bobbi, Eau Claire, WI (Sent Monday, June 16, 2008 12:53 PM) and Molly (Sent Monday, June 16, 2008 12:55 PM)  

Give it a rest Bobbi/Molly - you never voted for HRC OR Obama. We've read your spiteful and hate filled rants. I pray for you. You certainly have baggage.


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