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Obama hits McCain on GITMO, drilling

Posted: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 5:58 PM by Mark Murray
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ON PLANE EN ROUTE FROM DETROIT TO WASHINGTON -- During a brief press conference aboard his plane, Obama hit McCain on his stance on habeas corpus rights for Guantanamo Bay detainees and on off-shore drilling.

VIDEO: Sen. John McCain criticizes the Supreme Court's ruling that prisoners at Guantanamo Bay have a constitutional right to appeal their detention in civilian federal courts, calling it "one of the worst decisions in the history of this country."

He said GOP criticism of his position on allowing GITMO detainees a day in court was just a disingenuous way of using fear tactics to try to win an election. "The question is whether or not, as the Supreme Court said, people who are being held have a chance to at least suggest, that hey you’ve got the wrong guy, or I shouldn’t be here. It’s not a question about whether or not they’re free,” he said “The simple point that I was making, which I will continue to make throughout this campaign is that we can abide by due process and abide by basic concepts of rule of law and still crack down on terrorists."

Obama added, "None of the folks that were speaking for McCain today have given us one bit of information that would suggest that as a consequence of the court’s ruling, terrorists will be able to attack America more effectively. They haven’t indicated one realistic scenario in which we would be less safe as a consequence of us simply allowing these individuals to be heard one time to find out whether they should be held or not, and so this is the same kind of fear mongering that got us into Iraq, that has caused us to be hugely distracted from the war we do have to fight against terrorism and it’s exactly that failed foreign policy that I want to reverse.”

He said those criticizing him were ignoring the degree to which GITMO had damaged America’s reputation around the world. He said allowing due process of the detainees would send a message to the world that the United States was prepared to abide by the rule of law and could help the county be more effective in the pursuit of terrorists. He argued Republicans were trying to reuse an old playbook.

"What they are trying to do is what they’ve done every election cycle which is to use terrorism as a club to make the American people afraid -- to win elections -- that’s what they’re trying to do,” he said. "They are not serious about this. Because if they wanted to have a serious conversation about it then they would know, for example, that the issue of habeas corpus is not designed to free prisoners. What it's designed to do is make sure that prisoners who are being held have at least one shot to say, ‘I’m being held wrongly.'"

On off-shore drilling
The Illinois senator suggested McCain’s support for lifting the ban on off-shore oil drilling showed he was a flip-flopper who had resorted to taking the “politically expedient” position.
 
"This is yet another reversal by John McCain in terms of his earlier positions, and I think We could set up an interesting debate between John McCain 2000 and John McCain 2008,” Obama said. “The biggest problem with John McCain's position is that it seems like a classic Washington political solution, which is to go out there and make a statement without any clear evidence that this would result in strengthening the US economy or providing relief to consumers.”

He went on to cite estimates that off-shore drilling would not significantly affect world oil prices, and that the benefits from such drilling would not materialize for at least five years. Obama talked instead about reducing oil consumption through the development of hybrid cars and other technologies, before taking another dig at McCain.

“I think this is an example of where John McCain has taken the politically expedient way out. He had it right the first time just, as he had it right with the Bush tax cuts the first time. And you know, I think he continues to find himself pushed further and further to the right in ways that in my mind don’t show a lot of leadership."

While noting it was a rare occurrence, Obama said he agreed with George Bush that oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve should not be released to try to bring down oil crisis, arguing the reserve should be used only in the case of a severe crisis.

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Obama sounds like a novice here with this topic. So worried about how the rest of the world feels about us. Obama is WEAK!

Democrats For McCain 08!!!!!!!!!
Go tell them Obama, we are with you!  Fear mongering will not get John McCain elected.  The GOP thinks they can re-sell the fear package, boy will it backfire on them this time!

I am fired up and ready to go!

I am fired up and ready to go!

I am fired up and ready to go!
Thank you, Mark of First Read, for another negative headline for McCain.  Just look at today's headlines.  Turn about's fair play.  Tomorrow, will we have a full day of negative Obama headlines?  Since Tim's gone, are you guys just going to run amuck with negative?

Jill  a  wise  person  once  said   its   better   to  close  your   mouth  (  in  this  case  stop typeing  )  and   let   people think  you  are an  ass  rather   than  to  open  it  and  conferm for  sure   you  are  a  bigger  ass   than  frist  thought  .............
This is a leader.  Obama could have taken the easy path like McCain is doing.  McCain is changing his positions purely based on polling data.  It will not work because true information is instantly available on the internet by anyone who knows how to use a search engine.
Obama understands this.  You stay true to your core values and keep explaining them in reasoned and measured terms.  Americans do not like to be told about energy conservation. But it is the only way to truly reach energy independence.
Obama/Wetzler 08
Jill from Los Angeles,

Look at what McCain stands for and then remember why you're a democrat.  And then please reconsider your horrible statement.  Nothing about McCain supports the Democrat's platform.  Nothing.
It sounds "weak"??? Really.  We are a weakening country precisely because of the things W has done and that McCain wants to continue.  This machismo idealism of trying to bully the world into bending to our view holds no water when we have to borrow from China and our dollar is plunging versus the rest of the world.  We can't back it up.  What do you mean "weak"???
Vote for me or Osama bin Laden's gonna get you!!!!
Choose HOPE over FEAR.

Obama is showing his strengths as a constitutional scholar here.

We should all be as proud to stand strong for what makes America a free country -- our right to question imprisonment.

Giving in to McCain is conceding the high ground to the terrorists.

Vote Obama, vote for change, don't let corporations and the far right run (ruin) this country.
Why do you all think this is part of the fear package?
TERRORISTS ARE REAL. THEY WANT TO KILL ALL OF US.

TO -  Joe Reed - what if it backfires on the American people for being soft?

No fear package for sale here - just reality
McCain's been all over the map on every policy he holds, and I'd like to see some documentation of this in the mainstream media instead of having to ferret it out on YouTube. There's no consistency there, and I liked him much better as a maverick than as this weaselly greasy panderer that he's become.
Obama does have the appearance of having at least thought through his positions and they hang together in a way that McCain can't match. Not sure if they'll all work.
And in this case, Obama has law, tradition, and the majority of Americans on his side. We get it.
I would liken the plan to drill in sensitive areas to an alcoholic who plans on drinking the last 5 bottles of whiskey in the house before he stops drinking.  Maybe the second bottle would be the final stress for his liver and he could die before he has a chance to get sober.  We could drill in sensitive areas, but maybe one small mistake could cause an ocean catastrophe that could last forever. Let's be smarter than that and make plans for real chances of energy self-sufficiency and soberness.
Obama sounds like a novice here with this topic. So worried about how the rest of the world feels about us. Obama is WEAK!

Democrats For McCain 08!!!!!!!!!
Jill, Los Angeles, Ca (Sent Tuesday, June 17, 2008 6:09 PM)

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Hey, Jill, do you know where bin Laden is right now?

That's right, you don't...

...NEITHER DOES THE GOP!!!

They are better served by letting him run free right now so they can use him as the boogeyman to scare up votes.

Sure, the GOP likes to talk tough on terrorism by pointing the finger at Bill Clinton and blaming him for not dealing with bin Laden but Dubya is equally at fault as he has had 7 years to bring bin Laden to justice but would rather get stuck in Iraq.

The GOP has failed!
Joe, what are you fired up and ready to do? Doubt it will be join the military when the sissy liberal gets elected. He will be weaker than Billy boy when it comes to dealing with terrorists. They will be laughing all over. How long has it been since we were attacked here? How long before we are attacked with liberal peace-nik in charge? Or will he just give them whatever they want?
Well Jill, Obama's not weak, he's right! Of course, you offer no specifics as to what part of his statement you see as problematic. Just like your candidate. This year, fear-mongering will not carry the day. This year, phony charges will not carry the day. This year, Americans will not vote for another 4 years of Republican disasters.
Obama can take after Billy boy and fire another missle in the mountain, that will show em. But Obama will be there to make sure our enemies are treated like school children. Ever wonder why the Dems produce war protesters and the repubs produce soldiers?
This election cycle there are so many opportunities to identify real differences between the players. Except for the name calling this post is actually starting the debate that has been sadly lacking in our beloved country. Being able to rant about the sissy liberals is what this debate is about: basic freedoms. All men are created equal, even scumbag terrorists. They have rights. To be determined guilty or not. Why is the international war crimes court not being used? We are rapidly becoming the imperialists our forefathers fought against. If you don't like it we'll invade and kill you. We must always hold the constitution as supreme or we become what we have fought against.

Republicans for Obama
Joe, what are you fired up and ready to do? Doubt it will be join the military when the sissy liberal gets elected. He will be weaker than Billy boy when it comes to dealing with terrorists. They will be laughing all over. How long has it been since we were attacked here? How long before we are attacked with liberal peace-nik in charge? Or will he just give them whatever they want?
Oh No Obama Clearwater FL (Sent Tuesday, June 17, 2008 6:25 PM)

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I am pretty sure that the last time we were attacked was when a Repub was in office...and unfortunatly he is still in office.  
We are a citizen of the world.

Obama understands the world is getting smaller.

McCain can't even find google.

Time for a leader in step with our times.
AIRLINE INDUSTRY ANNOUNCES IT IS IN “FINANCIAL CRISIS” — CONTINENTAL HAS ALREADY STARTING ELIMINATING SMALLER CITIES FROM ITS ROUTES.. ULTIMATELY 200 CITIES ARE EXPECTED TO BE WITHOUT MAJOR AIRLINE SERVICE.

CRISIS IS LARGELY DUE TO THE EXORBITANT COST OF FUEL USED BY THE BIG AIRLINES.

WE NEED A PRESIDENT WHO WILL BOLDY & AGGRESSIVELY DEAL WITH THIS CRSIS:

1.) DRILL for oil everywhere it is available on USA lands and waters, on a expedited basis;

2.) Provide FINANCIAL REWARDS for the development and implementation of cost-effective and/or renewable energy sources;

3.) BUILD nuclear power plants, on an expedited basis, to provide for at least 80% of our electric power needs.

WE NEED A PRESIDENT WHO WILL USE THE ‘BULLY PULPIT’ AND PRESIDENTIAL EXECUTIVE POWERS TO ATTACK THIS CRISIS AS IF THE COST OF FOREIGN OIL WERE AN ACT OF WAR AGAINST THE UNITED STATES.. BECAUSE IT IS — AN ECONOMIC WAR.

Obama is too smart for the GOP.... republicans, sorry! This man will clobber your old man. Just reading his response to McBush's tactics makes me excited to vote this year.

Why would anyone in their right mind vote for another 4 yrs of Bush? Why stay in a marriage that's bad for you? Do you just enjoy paying high gas prices and having your hard earned tax dollars sent to Iraq? Do you love the economy being in the dumps and losing jobs to Asia? I miss to get the logic here!

This cowboy mentality republicans have has worked well for Harliburton, KBR, Blackwater and all those defense contractors. As for the rest of the low income people, they just use you to go fight a useless war and pump your hand on your chest like you oughtta be feared... It's very sad to watch!


Obama is supposed to be a lawyer?  He wants to use the rules of a civil court to determine holding somone who was captured on the battlefield?

There is no chain of evidence on a battlefield, no one stops to do forensic analysis of bullet casings.

So to suddenly apply the rules we use on a city street with the police, to terrorist captured in a war zone will amount to freeing people.

The terrorist just has to say "that was not my gun".  Then what do you do?  Match bullets to it?  Check finger prints?  Look for DNA?

What will be next?  Soldiers knocking on the door of the suicide bombs house with a warrantee?
Oh No Obama Clearwater FL

Why do the terrorists need to attack us?  The GOP is doing their work for them.  They've all but destroyed our country - from the inside.
Liberal think is very scary.  They ignore that it is our actions in the war on terror that has prevented terrorist actions in the past years.  They will say there has been no terrorist action so there is not real threat.

So, lets apply that logic!  How many childhood illnessed have we not seen in the past 10, 20, 30 years?  So there must be no threat from them right?  So we can stop spending money on vaccinations right?

It is the same logic!
Rudy tried it and it failed. McCain will continue to play the fear card and it will fail. Thank God for this great country. It is time for the last 20% of the American poeple to realize that no matter what happens in life, it is pathalogical to live in fear. Fear will continue to do more harm than any terrorist. If you live in fear then you loose the game of Life. In 60 years we will all be gone so do not waist your time obssessing over "terrorists" you are 10,000 times more likely to buy it on an american road taken out by a fellow American... God bless american. Move on boogy man!
Is it possible for a post to completely lack anything substantive?  Oh No has shown that it is.  He seems to think that we haven't been attacked.  Wonder if the boy and girls in Iraq and Afghanistan would agree.  Give them what they want?  Bush did an excellent job of that.  

Talking about posts with a completer lack of substance brings Jill's post to mind.  But Jill is right about Obama being a novice.  A novice politician who doesn't do it the Washington way.  That is just what we need.

Jeb Bush was against offshore drilling in his neighborhood.  Arnold Schwarzenegger was against it in his neighborhood.  Guess they are novices too.

But not McCain.  He can change his "principles" with the best of them.        
It is really simple, if you want roe v wade overturned, no universal health care, a warmonger in chief, continued tax cuts for the rich and no tax relief for the middle class, no diplomacy, a further erosion of the rights and morality our forefathers fought so hard to create, someone who flip-flops on every issue because it is polling well, a government influenced and a campaign architected by federal lobbyists, college only for the rich, someone by their own admission does not differ from Bush on the major issues of our time, a country run by fear and intimidation and a supreme court ruled by conservatism...then go ahead and vote for McCain. However, realize that none of these represent being a Democrat. If you are a "Democrat" for McCain, it is time to change your affiliation to the GOP because nothing he stands for equals a Democrat in any way. Playing the fear card does not work so well when 9/11 happened on your watch and when the GOP has officially lied to take us to war.  
HEY! ENJOY CLEARWATER WHILE YOU CAN OH NO OBAMA.

BECAUSE MC SAME HAS HIS OWN PLAN TO HELP YOU GUYS WITH THE RECONSTRUCTION PROCESS GOING ON AT CLEARWATER BEACH OR SHOULD I SAY OIL WATER BEACH

I am surprise at this computer age McCain said he can not operate computer, this is the man who want to lead the world. Where is rule of law if you people have no right to question thier detention, I surprise some of you thinks Bush-McCain is bet for the country and the world. I don't think so.
RE: O'bama's remarks about no one giving information suggesting that the court's ruling will make anyone able to attack America more effectively;

The past speaks for it self; The first attack on WTC was in 1993, something we all all forget about, and  8 years latter they were successful under the old  laws and policy...

Yes, it has not been exactly 8 years yet since Sep. 11 but considering their bold success that day, one can only conclude we are doing something right since we have not been attacked again.

Just a thought...
We are seeing these last few weeks the great job McSameasBush is/will do.

What did Iraq do for us?  Iran is stronger.  Iran is now exerting major influence in Iraq.  Al Qaeda has a training ground for new terrorists.  Afghanistan is getting worse because our commitmen in Iraq limits our power.  1,000 taliban escape from prison and are now taking part in attacks in Afghanistan.  The Taliban strengthen in border regions while we do little.

What exactly does McCain offer?  Nothing more than tough talk to cover up his plan to maintain the status quo.

Want to solve the energy problem?  Power a generator with McCain's flip-flops...
How many Americans have died in Iraq and Afganistan since the world trade center, and everyone is fool enough to believe that the threat of terrorism hasn't been winning all along? Isn't this playing right into anti- American strategy, killing our military controlling our energy, breaking our economy, lowering our standards for Justice rather than sitting a higher standard, capturing bin laden, becoming a leader in global economy rather than at its mercy. Can't help but wonder if this is not what the enemy terroist have designed all along and we have willing albeit hoodwinked into this step by step. ANY change that will bring us back to being a leader and to being a unified country that can hold our head proud and high, independent and with dignity, is the change we need. The only true CHANGE I can see is through the democratic party. ALL Americans have to think of the future and the future of our children in the global world of today and tomorrow. We are being controlled and at the mercy of Fear and Greed.
I have to disagree with Obama on this one: I live in Brasil and the government (via Petrobras) do a lot of offshore drilling here, with no natural disasters (so far). Sure we must find new energy sources, but we don't want to wait for that with oil prices rising like they are now.

Anyway, I still prefer Obama over McCain
In 2000...McCain supported a ban on offshore drilling...

Today...McCain joins Bush in calling for more drilling...

In 2007...McCain opposed waterboarding...

Today...McCain joins Bush in approving of it...

In 2001...McCain said Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy during a time of war "...offended his conscience..."

Today...McCain joins Bush in calling for making them permanent...

John McSame...er...McCain...more of the same...only crazier.

By the way, calling for drilling off the coast of FLA is the quickest way to lose the state in the fall.

Obama '08/'12
There are Republicans pretending to be Clinton supporters for McCain...know any Jill?
In order to work on the gas crisis, we should be looking at building refineries, not off shore drilling.  My son, who works for exxon says that is our weakness here in the states.  There has been no refinery built in quite some time...
The GOP has had practically 8 years to get Bin Laden and crush his terrorist network.  When they started they had the backing of every single America regardless of party, the backing of most the world, and the strongest, fastest, best military in the world to use as they needed and..........THEY FAILED MISERABLY.........guess they weren't man enough for the job, eh?  I think Obama is, and I think most people with some ability to think for themselves know too.  Just compare him to Bush, who stammers and stumbles through every speech with the same pathetic lameness with which he has commanded our military, I bet even just the sound of Obama's voice and the thought of him being at the helm of our mighty war machine sends chills down the spine of every terrorist around the globe.
............don't forget, 9/11 happened on Bush's watch, and he was even given fair warning and a chance to do something and.........HE FAILED MISERABLY.
How many issues has this man flip flopped on ? One day he is against then for; one day he is against drilling and now he's not. The list goes on. How can we trust this guy ??  Then we find out he has taken 300 000 dollars from a man who has said some really horrible things. America, you better get this right.  
Gee- let's ask the terrorists- 'Are you a terrorist?"

What do you want to bet that 100% of them say they are innocent.

What I don't understand is how you collect evidence on a battlefield. Is a squad supposed to take DNA samples from the sniper rifle so they can prove the guy they just captured with a sniper rifle in his hands is a sniper?

Bottom line is that Obama wants all these people to go free. I think the military should adopt a take no prisoners policy so we have none of this nonsense about releasing terrorists.
After reading the latest McCain attempt to sound like a leader with a new idea I am struck by his willingness to treat our oceans and shorelines as if they are not all that important. Instead of drilling for more oil offshore we should have been , for YEARS, hard nosed about developing alternative fuel sources for our cars. McCain is suggesting that we do the ONE thing that NO OTHER ANIMAL ON THIS PLANET DOES.... Sh.. in our own nest. Our oceans, rivers (just look at what is being dumped into the flooded Mississippi right now) and lands are becoming increasingly polluted and damaged. Yet our solution to having ignored our dependence on foreign oil is to DRILL MORE HOLES IN THE OCEAN instead of accepting responsibility for our own mistakes. This is the reason why this country is in the fix it's in right now. John McCain is and old guy with old ideas and no vision nor concern for those that will be left behind to fix our mess. A vote for McCain will GUARANTEE a continuation of the same failed policies that we have been forced to swallow for the past 8 years.
In the heat of war, its very likely that one person out of the several thousand was picked up by mistake. I dont think giving them an opportunity to at least present any exculpatory evidence will make us less safe rather than herding them in Guantanamo for the druation of the war on terror.

By the way the decision was by a supreme court of 9 folks made up of 6 conservative judges (since Alito and Roberts joined and the moderate lady left) and they looked at this very thoroughly and listened to all reasons.

If the vietnamese had been like us, McCain might today be able to move his arms above his chest. We are better than this. With much power comes more responsibilty and nobility lest we anger the one greater than all.
Jill:
Get real. Weakness is shown when a man changes his tune to suit the crowd (McCain).
Obama doesn't say what everyone wants to hear.
He is telling you the TRUTH.  I know, I know you aren't used to hearing the truth.  This is to be expected, you have been lied to for 8 years.  The truth isn't always pretty, or comforting but you will have to get used to it.
Correct me if I am wrong. The biggest terrorist attack occurred during a Republican administration and yet they still try to scare us. They say we are liable to more attacks if we do not elect them. Funny isn't it? Terrorists are stronger thanks to Republican way of handling things. By the way where's Osama bin Laden? All we know is he's not in Iraq, where we have majority of our troops.
Off-shore drilling should never, never be allowed because the oceans control the world climate. The wildlife will die there will be oil spills that are not told to the public or reported to save face. Well why not cut all the trees down also and hunt endanger animals too.
 McCain is starting to forget what he says in the past. Wow and that what some people want, can you say flip-flop. I have some nice wetland i would love to sell you. Make the smart choice in 08 vote Obama.


Who's the Real McCain?  the Maverick or the neocon convert?
“Neither a man nor a crowd nor a nation can be trusted to act humanely or to think sanely under the influence of a great fear.” Bertrand Russell (1872-1970).  

Standard GOP operating procedure.  Use fear to rob us of our civil liberties.  
When Gore gave his support to Obama he introduced a very dedicated female governor, I think she was from Missouri but I'm not sure, name escapes me. She was a very strong Hillary supporter. When she came forth the Obama neanderthals boo'd her. Does he think he is going to win without the 18 million who supported Hillary? Don't think so. I rather stay home than to vote for him. And hiring that Solis woman is not helping. It was a slap in the face to Hillary. For she will be VP!!!  
Nice comment Oh No Obama...do you remember we were attached with Bush as president?  Your beloved "tough" GOP was just beginning to run the country into the ground when 9/11 happened and since then we are in total disarray and the terrorist are even more united against us.  Thanks for all the supposed strength GOP...


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