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Back to the Future?

Posted: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 10:04 AM by Domenico Montanaro


From NBC’s Domenico Montanaro
A day after the McCain campaign accused Obama of having a Sept. 10 mentality, it kicked the day off hammering the Illinois senator on the issue again. The campaign got the jump start on the conference call circuit with an early morning (9 am ET) one with former New York City Mayor and failed presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani.


VIDEO: Newsweek's Richard Wolfe discusses John McCain's comments which accuse Barack Obama of being "a perfect manifestation of a September 10 mindset" and of taking a "law enforcement approach" to terrorism.

Yesterday, Giuliani also put out a statement attacking Obama on the issue and went on MSNBC’s Morning Joe this morning to echo the sentiments.

“There are very clear, dramatic, important differences between McCain and Obama,” Giuliani said, describing those differences as “one wanting to be on offense, the other wanting to be on defense.”

Giuliani said he believed Obama’s inexperience was evident because he likened how the U.S. should handle terrorists to how those accused in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing were prosecuted.

“These are not isolated criminal acts,” Giuliani said. “They are a loosely defined conspiracy and an act of war. For Sen. Obama to suggest ’93 is the best example of how to deal with this is a good example of him wanting to go on defense.”

He added, “The real problem with Sen. Obama’s answer is he seems to think the 93 situation was correctly handled. It’s the failure to recognize that you had to go further than.” He said it was treated as  “a criminal act” when it should have been treated “as an act of war. We didn’t recognize that even as late as the Cole. …It seems to me Sen. Obama is of that mindset.”

He also expressed astonishment that Obama camp seemed to imply, he said, that even Osama bin Laden would get habeas corpus rights.

“That bin laden would be given habeas corpus rights is startling,” Giuliani said, adding, “it shows where Democrats are going. There seems to be more concern about the rights of terrorists than American security.”

McCain adviser Randy Randy Scheunemann said that McCain is for trials for suspects held at Guantanamo but not under the rules of federal courts. He and Giuliani warned that there would be risks of giving away sensitive intelligence, specifically how evidence was obtained, during defense discovery at trials.

Giuliani also replied to Obama foreign policy adviser Susan Rice saying on MSNBC’s Morning Joe that this was a choice between a “stupid” foreign policy (Bush continued by McCain) and “smart” (Obama).

“I think that’s language that probably shouldn’t be applied to this debate,” Giuliani said, adding, “Addressing the merits of it, criticizing the Bush administration in this area is probably an area of weakness for the Democrats …. This country has been kept safe over the last seven years. …

“If we move back to a defensive approach, like Sen. Obama wants, is at our peril. … Why do you want to go back to making the same mistakes of the 1990s?”

After pledging not to call Obama naive for his stance, Giuliani added this: "The words irresponsible and naïve were applied to Sen. Obama not by a Republican but by Hillary Clinton."

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I find it interesting that Rudy Guiliani states, laughingly, that Osama Bin Laden would be extended habeus corpus.  Of course he would, but he is a bad example.  Bin Laden wouldn't even need to invoke it.  We have so much to charge him with that if he survived his capture, he would be put on trial for several of his crimes against America and Americans (93 bombing, 98 Kenya bombing, the USS Cole, 9/11).  Do you really think that Bin Laden would be held in Gitmo indefinetly without being charged or without access to lawyers??  Please. If Bin Laden were caught alive, he would receive the trial of the century.  

This is about rounding up "terrorists" and holding them indefinitely without charge or without trial.  I say "terrorists" in quotes, because we know that if Bin Laden were captured, he would be charged, tried and executed before you could even say "habeus corpus".  

As a reformed republican-leaning indepedent, I am amazed by the scare tactics.  We will not "lose cities" because of people we captured in 2001, 2002 or 2003 have to be told what they are being charged with.  That is ridiculous.  
Rudy is just another in a long line of repub losers who are now doing the talking for Mcbomber.Its funny that Mcrudy thinks he knows what language should be used when criticizing the Bush admin,Maybe he should stick to what he knows best giving speeches and talking about his skirt chasing days while Mayor of New York,of coarse the tax payers footed the bill for McRudys play dates.Bomber says he is in favor of trials for those being held at Gitmo?But the Jag core has been striped of most of there power by McBushesTeam of "The War council"You know the ones that have disregarded the laws of war and the have made up there own rules to keep lil bushies hands clean.You know who they are, David Addington Darths chief of staff,Alberto Gonzales Attorney General of the United States,John Yoo former Justice Department council,Timothy Flanigan Deputy to Gonzales,and former Pentagon council Willam Haynesll.This group met every week behind close doors to plot strategy on how to keep Administration officles from prosecution.These guys are in favor of harsh treatment and don't belive in" Artical Three of the Geneva that most nations accept during any conflict"That way Bush could say they were not prisoners and he could go ahead and torture and interrogate,going againest the Geveva agreement.Bushbomber cloke and dagger back room deals have been set in place so none of them could be held responcable.And this is our Goverment?
It's ALL about "discovery" in a court of law with these terrorists.  That's how after 1993 Bin Laden found about our tactics, contacts, and strategy.  That's what led to 9/11.  We can't show our hands because these people are animals out to destroy us and our way of life.  This ruling will greatly jeopardize our national security.
Poor poor republicants.  The supreme court really dealt them one.  And now they expect Americans to believe that it's the evil democrats that have all by themselves allowed habeus corpus rights to be allowed.  


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