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Indies not warm to Obama-Clinton ticket

Posted: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 1:20 PM by Mark Murray



From NBC/NJ's Mike Memoli
Today’s Quinnipiac numbers for three key battleground states suggest that Obama may have indeed gotten a “bounce” after Clinton’s exit left him the undisputed, presumptive nominee. Yet a closer look at the poll finds that -- at least in these states right now -- there would be no sizeable benefit for Obama to make Clinton his running mate.

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Only 21% of Florida voters, 23% of Ohio voters, and 25% of Pennsylvania voters say they’d be more likely to support the Democratic ticket if Clinton were a part of it. In each case, a slightly smaller percentage said they’d be less likely to vote for that “dream” ticket, with a majority saying it would make no difference.

Most significantly, Quinnipiac found that independent voters in those key battlegrounds believe that the Illinois senator should not select his New York counterpart -- and by double-digit margins in two of the three.

“If Sen. Obama seriously is thinking about picking Sen. Clinton as his running mate, these numbers might cause him to reconsider,” Quinnipiac’s Peter Brown said in a release.

Sam Arora, a former Clinton campaign staffer now speaking for the “Vote for Both” movement that is pushing for an Obama-Clinton ticket, counters that Clinton boosts Obama among key demographics in these states, and questions the polling firm’s “misleading lede and prepared bytes.”

“Sen. Obama holds only a slim lead in these states and adding Clinton to the ticket would give him a vital boost into safer territory,” Arora said.

Quinnipiac also tested some “favorite son” choices in each state, and in each case far fewer voters said such a selection would impact their choice.

Interestingly, voters in all three states said they did not think Bill Clinton would be a problem for the Democratic ticket if his wife was on it -- though again independent voters were more likely to think he would.

On the Republican side, President Bush is a much greater concern, with his approval rating in each state hovering in the 20s. And a double-digit percentage of former Bush voters in each state now say they’d support Obama.

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Rob, Denver

Our current president is analogous the guy who turns gay men straight.

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Is that what happened to you Rob?
CAROLINE KENNEDY FOR OBAMA'S VEEP CANDIDATE!!!  I'd say this would be a DREAM TICKET!!!  A Smart, Competent, Politically Savy Woman with NO BAGGAGE!!!  
Let me preface by saying I am an independant voter that is leaning Obama...

Here's what I don't get about this whole PUMA thing... I realize you are upset that your candidate lost, I realize you're upset about the way she lost, and I realize you're upset about the nastiness of politics.  But that and all of your personal feelings aside, isn't Obama closer to your policy prefences than McCain? To me as an independant, Hillary and Obama have nearly IDENTICAL policy positions across the board.  Are you so angry your candidate lost that you would vote against your own policy preferences??

For me, I am very concerned about A) The supreme court moving too far to the right on social/civil liberties issues and B) a lack of credibility abroad that stunts our ability to conduct diplomacy effectively.

If McCain could make me feel better about A), I'd probably lean his way.
How is a 25% pick up in Democratic voters by adding Clinton to the ticket not significant?  Why would this give pause to Obama?  It seems to me that a 25% boost in turn out in these key states by adding Clinton to the ticket is a no brainer.  The indie number reflects voters who are predisposed to vote for McCain anyway.  The poll suggests a net-net win for Obama by adding Clinton to the ticket.
What is interesting is Florida.  Will the voters in FL buy into the offshore drilling arguement.  With tourism the primary business the offshore drilling platforms and environmental issues will be played against a perceived gas price break.  The questions to be answered are will the oil leases to drill significantly increase production and when? Will the production be beneficial to the U.S. or,as in the case in Alaska, be sent over China and Japan for refinining and to be sold in the far east? What we do know is that the length of time( putting aside serious environmental issues) to acquire the leases and to drill will not impact oil consumption in the U.S. for five to ten years. Also, short and long term solutions of alternate energy sources need to be developed.  If we beleive that the oil industry( much of this foreign owned) will freely invest in alernative fuels sources wihtout tax breaks or incentives we are kidding ourselves.  This to me is to important of an issue to simply be pandered to in this election. The hard truth is drilling will take place only when the oil companies perceive they can do so to manipulate the pricing for maximum profit. We do know McCain has flipped on the drilling and on a windfall profits tax. Any solution will need to incoroporate gurantees that part of the profits of the oil compaines will go to the development of alternative fuels for national security reasons.  With this in mind McCain has no solution  other than pander to the oil companies.          
As a Hillary supporter...I would rather she not be on the ticket because if he loses, I do not want her to be blamed. In the end, I think his inexperience will cause him this election, no matter who his VP is.

Personally, I am more concerned about the house and senate...as long as we have a democratic hold there the POTUS is immaterial.

Once the pendulum stops swinging from the far right to the far left, Hillary will be back, if not in 4 years for sure in 8 ...
There seems to be a portion of Sen Clinton's supporters pushing for her to be on the ticket, when to do so, would be a mistake. Sen Obama's campaign is correct to take their time in making a choice. If there are those Clinton supporters who won't vote Democrat come Nov., if she is not on the ticket, then so be it.

They are not true Democrats. They are only shooting themselves in the foot by being spiteful and after almost eight yrs of misery under Bush it makes no sense.

If they are Repubs masquerading as Democrats and trying to keep the pot stirred.....a pox on your house.  You have no interest in doing anything for the good of your country, just go back in your caves and be miserable.

For those of us who have supported Obama all along, keep pushing back every time we hear or read derogatory remarks, half truths, lies about Sen Obama.  The world is full of snakes.  But we will prevail.
edwards would be a good choice for vp, hillary is not being seriously considered I don't understand why the media keeps bringing her up
Will someone please explain why Obama slams Hillary as being part of the problem of the past and then he goeas and tabs the entire Clinton foreign policy team from the 1990's to be his adviser team?

Change indeed.  Sounds like more of the same from a snake oil salesman.
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Amen on the above!
I won't vote for Obama even if HRC is on the ticket. I don't think HRC is interested in the VP position anyway. I will vote democrat for the senate but either 3rd party or Mccain for the presidency. People who supported Bush voting for Obama, I doubt it, the ideological differences are huge, but the media will say anything to make us believe that Obama will win.
Making a combined ticket is just NOT a good idea.
Mark,Seattle

Bobbi, Molly & some of the others are either repub moles, or are blindly ignorant.  I choose to ignore them.  They are totally irrelevant.
An Obama\Clinton ticket is what America needs. It will take both Obamas and both Clintons to straighten out this country. By now people show know that Obama means to change the MINDSET and not the PEOPLE. The Clintons are great people who did not allow the media nor the Republicans define them. If we change anybody in Washington, it should be Nancy Pelosi. She is the one who has been the most devisive. The Clintons are self-actualized people who know what they are doing and people have put a spin on it to call them devisive. Obama, take it from a true democrat. Pick Clinton. You did not defeat her in your own strength. 18million people love her. Bill Clinton is the best president since Lyndon Johnson and the best yet really. The man created 20 million jobs in America.
Is it liberal to want decent education for our kids?  McCain/Bush think so!  Is it liberal to want decent housing, food prices and gas prices?  McCain/Bush think so and are proposing to totally ruin our environment by looking for more oil instead of funding research for alternatives.  IS IT LIBERAL TO WANT OUR YOUNG PEOPLE HOME INSTEAD OF FIGHTING A WAR THAT SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEGUN? If that's liberal, I WANT TO BE ONE!  Obama 08!
I am an Independent for Obama, but I will write in my dog's name and NOT vote Dem if Hillary is on the ticket. She epitomizes the corruption, pandering and narcissism of the old political guard. Any ticket she appears on, I will vote against.

Oh yeah - Bobbi in Eau Claire - He doesn't HAVE to do ANYTHING - HE WON - SHE LOST - so don't spout off about what he had "better" do -
 I am one of those independents who would not like to see an Obama/Clinton ticket. She represents old Washington politics just like McCain does, with the PAC money and the Lobbyist money and the old-style big-dollar fund-raisers for the rich. I've given just over $300.00 to the Obama campaign over the internet because that is the best way to get millions of people into the process and I know I'm getting my money's worth. I'm in it to win it now thanks to the Obama Campaign.
Pat Huntington NY,

You are SOOOOO right!


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