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The politics of guns

Posted: Friday, June 27, 2008 9:17 AM by Mark Murray
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The Washington Post's Balz and Richburg write: "With yesterday's decision, the Supreme Court pushed the gun issue back to the forefront of the nation's agenda, opening a new chapter in what has been one of the most contentious and divisive debates in American politics for the past four decades. Advocacy groups braced for new skirmishes, both in courts and in legislatures. Gun rights advocates, hailing what they called a historic milestone, immediately targeted other jurisdictions with laws similar to those in the District of Columbia, whose handgun ban was struck down yesterday. Defenders of gun control took heart from language in the ruling acknowledging the constitutionality of some reasonable restrictions, but they warned of a new assault on those restrictions.”

VIDEO: On Thursday, the Supreme Court ruled that while gun laws can be Constitutional, the Constitution does protect an individual's right to have a gun. A Hardball panel talks about how this ruling will affect the 2008 election.

“Sens. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.) endorsed the essential finding in the court's decision in District of Columbia v. Heller. But the gap between their past positions on gun control sparked the resurgence of a cultural debate between the presidential candidates that is likely to continue until November." More: "Some Democratic strategists saw yesterday's ruling as one that will deprive conservatives of one of their most extreme arguments -- that Democrats are trying to take away all guns. ‘Whatever you believe about the merits of the decision, it's a decision that protects Democrats from the charge that they want to ban all guns, because the Supreme Court has said you can't do that,’ said pollster Geoffrey Garin."

"Neil Newhouse, a GOP pollster, said the ruling could help McCain in Western battleground states such as Colorado, New Mexico and Nevada, where there is strong support for Second Amendment rights. But Democrats said McCain could face new problems among suburban women in other battlegrounds.

Salon's Madden takes the angle that the ruling somehow makes it harder for McCain and Republicans to make the case that Obama and the Democrats can somehow take guns away. "In one sense, the Supreme Court's watershed ruling on the incendiary issue of gun control was a stark reminder of what's at stake this November regarding the nation's top court. Given the age and health of several sitting justices, it is likely that the next U.S. president will appoint at least one new member to the now conservative-leaning bench. But rather than setting off a months-long debate and stirring partisans on both sides of the political divide, the court's decision may have shoved the gun control issue further aside -- and helped inoculate Obama from it.

“McCain welcomed a Supreme Court decision invalidating a District of Columbia handgun ban. Barack Obama sought to straddle the subject by saying he favors an individual's right to bear firearms as well as a government's right to regulate them.” 
 
The Chicago Tribune called Obama’s response “carefully worded” and noted that he “straddled differences between gun-control advocates and defenders of the right to bear arms… Obama has amassed a mostly liberal record on gun control. He supports a proposal to override state "concealed-carry" laws with a nationwide ban on concealed weapons. He would reimpose the Clinton administration's ban on assault weapons that was overturned by the then-Republican-controlled Congress. In 1999, before he ran for the U.S. Senate, he favored a ban on gun stores within five miles of a school or park.”

Speaking of the Supreme Court, the Boston Globe notes that McCain and Obama “have laid out vastly different visions for the Supreme Court should they win the White House. Obama pledges to appoint justices with a broader social outlook, while McCain said he wants more jurists like Chief Justice John Roberts, a conservative who was appointed by President Bush. Legal analysts say the court is likely to have at least one vacancy during the next administration: The oldest justice is 88, two others are in their 70s, and all three could be nearing retirement.”

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Obama was against it before he was for it...
Flip Flop flip flop flip flop
I enjoy all of my constitutional rights and agree with sc ruling now I wish they would uphold all of my constitutional rights and legalize freedom, freedom from intrusive govt. searches without warrants.
I think Obama will stay quiet for the most part on this, so as not to raise it as apotential "culture wars" issue that could hurt him in Novemeber.  Then he can appoint some decent justices in there while he's presdent.
The only good that comes out of this Sup. Ct. decision is that it has effectively neutered the NRA and all pro-gun republicans who can no longer rely on the old tired wedge issue of gun rights.  

Thanks Scalia, Alito, Roberts and Thomas [the neocon gang of 4].
Why was the ban being challenge now? What's the difference from 32 years ago and now? There was a time when DC had a huge crime rate, no ban challenge? So what's the difference?
Guns, in the hands of law abiding owners, make people safe.  The Court was correct in it's ruling.  If the Democrats want to lose in 2012, just follow what Slick Willie and Frankensien of Califonia did in 1994.
Obama is an attention-wh*re at the very beginning jumping on issues whom he believes he can get more votes even to the point that he will never be able to deliver them at all. The sad part is that the general public are too naive to discern this due to the fact they are disillusioned with the Bush administration.
Between Senator Gordon Smith hitching his wagon to Obama's star, and Barack essentially nullifying the repub's tired 2nd amendment talking point, McCain, and the GOP are once again left with that deer in the headlights look on their confused, and frightened faces. Good!

Somebody take a picture.
Guns, in the hands of law abiding owners, make people safe.  The Court was correct in it's ruling.  If the Democrats want to lose in 2012, just follow what Slick Willie and Frankensien of Califonia did in 1994.
Marty In KC (Sent Friday, June 27, 2008 9:52 AM)
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Its now the law of the land so we need to respect the decion.  I would agree that guns in the hands of law abiding citizens would probably do no harm given the safeguards of registration, licensing and waiting periods.  I'm from NJ, raised in the Bronx.  When there was a problem we didn't take the matter into our own hands. We called the police....it's their job.  Vigilanty groups, on the pretext of self defense, will inevitably pop up and we all know the consequences.  How may "legal" guns will be carried or concealed or worse yet...stolen by criminals.  If strict controls are not instituted, this could become the wild west with Hillary playing the part of Annnie Oakley.


It is time for all Americans of various political postions to stop the politics of "wedge issues" like abortion rights, gun control and gay marriage. We have much more important issues to deal with in the coming years like: climate change, energy independence, health care, education, and infrastructure and yes finding a way to defuse the tensions in the Middle East.

Funny how the NRA guy could not stop to take a "victory lap" on Hardball yesterday. Now the NRA folks can breathe a sigh of relief, the black helecopters are not coming to take away our guns, lol.
 
I agree with having the right to own guns. However, in some places it does need to be regulated. Also, I think the type of legal guns should be regulated. No person besides the millitary or law enforcement needs fully automatic weapons. I'm sorry to all you gun enthusiast, but just because you have fun shooting them doesn't mean you should be allowed to own them. They are designed to kill large numbers of people. A semi automatic hand gun is more than enough to protect yourself from an intruder. There are a lot of things people enjoy doing, but that doesn't mean they should all be legal.
Jim Granger,

He explained the gun position.  In urban areas, gun control is necessary.  Unlawful gun ownership is a problem.  Crime is a problem.  Enforcing laws in crime ridden neighborhoods with high unlawful gun ownership is a problem.  Many of us who live in urban core recognize that.  I am not trying to subvert lawful gun ownership.  I am in favor of aiding the militia (in this case, local law enforcement) in their quest to fight crime.  Yes, it is complicated.  But I think we can all get on board with lawful gun ownership.
Guns, in the hands of law abiding owners, make people safe.  
Marty In KC (Sent Friday, June 27, 2008 9:52 AM)


That would be GREAT if EVERYONE who had a gun was a law abiding owner, which is the problem.  Not everyone who HAS a gun is law abiding.  

*seems that this has become my favorite saying in this season of politics*  Pull your head out man!
Here Here Donna! I couldn't agee more.

Obama 08'
I thought Sen. Obama's stance on guns was clear. He believes in the 2nd Amendment. He is a constitutional lawyer and professor! However he believes there should be restrictions. Think about it.

Why should there be a gun store within walking distance of a school? Same reason why there shouldn't be a strip club, liquor store, etc near schools.

Why should anyone be allowed to own or purchase an assault weapon? I have never found a logical reason for one needing to purchase one.

Laws on how a gun should be store, what type you can own depending on a location, who should be allowed to have one (no to criminals, those with mental disorders, anger issues, etc), etc are reasonable I think.

The key is to have a better control on the manufacturing and sale of bullets. Do that and get serious on smuggling in from Mexico and violence could drop.
November is my birthday! I can't wait. VA - That would be GREAT if EVERYONE who had a gun was a law abiding owner, which is the problem.  Not everyone who HAS a gun is law abiding.  



May be you'll get a gun for your birthday.
"McCain didnt win his nomination by running to the right, either." I had to think about this, but you're absolutely correct. The Republicans chose McCain over
Romney, Thompson and Huckabee, because, I think he seemed to be the one most apt to be able to distance himself from Bush. Republicans knew they had a problem with Bush.Then, what does he do? And this is really strange. He runs to the right, basically hugging Bush and going out of his way to tick off educated, independent minded people with dumb ideas like the gas tax holiday. Is McCain getting really bad advice from advisors, or is the Republican Party itself so sick the base will only support far right positions?
Thank you Supreme Court. I am an unlikely person to support individual gun rights - a 54 woman, work for a non-profit, and independent voter, etc. - but I am also from the West and grew up w/ guns and with the  belief in the "rugged individualist" mentality. I am so gratified our Constituion has no been undermined again. And although it is a cliche  - it is true that "If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns." With police response times averaging nearly a half hour in rural areas of my county, I can't think of a single resident who is without a weapon in the home. I remember when the Brady Bill passed, I asked my mom what she would do if restrictions got tougher on guns; her response (at age 82) "Oh, I'll give them my guns -- one round at a time." And before people berate me for the number of children harmed in gun accidents, here are some points to consider: 1. Children raised in households of responsible gun owners, KNOW the dangers of weapons.And their parents keep trigger locks on and store ammo separately from the weapon. 2. I am more concerned about the children who are INTENTIONALLY harmed through physical and sexual abuse - a number far exceeding those harmed in firearm accidents.
I don't see how anyone could have expected a different answer from Obama regarding this decision. He's a former lawyer and teacher of Constitutional law, isn't he? It makes perfect sense that he'd welcome the court's decision because it clarifies waters that had heretofore been pretty muddy, and it doesn't give the farm away to either side.

As to the question above, why now and not 32 years ago, the court can't just examine any law they want. They have to wait until someone files suit against the ban, and then works their way up through the appeals chain to the SC. It just took a really long time for someone to have a valid case and to work its way up.
With this ruling, Activist Judges have twisted the constitution to cater to those who put them in their position - the Bush aministration and the NRA gun hugging fanatics. The only way to correct this wrong is to start a grassroots campaign to Amend the Constitution to Repeal the 2d Amendment!
I hope that the gun owners out there are as committed to the SC decision on habeus corpus for Gitmo detainees as they are on the SC's decision on guns.

On a side note, as a former Chicago resident, the original handgun ordinance did no prevent you from owning a handgun and registering it, just after 6/83. This was the result of an extremely high murder for the previous years. Mayor Daley took on gun shops that were selling to "straw" buyers for Chicago street gangs. Jim Granger, do you really need to own 10 Glock pistols, 15 Beretta pistols and 30 Tech 9 machine pistols? Does this qualify as ownership by a responsible gun owner? Since moving to AZ, I have thought about owning a gun. Since I know nothing about guns, I have inquired as the best firearm to start with and where to take lessons. My father owned guns and taught my brother and I when we were children to respect them and never touch them unless he was present. I plan to follow his lessons about responsible gun ownership.

BTW, I am planning to buy a .50 caliber Hawkens black powder rifle as I have always been fascinated by the Mountain Men in our history (I also have a degree in American history).

I agree that the Supreme Court’s ruling on the 2nd Amendment is huge.  I applaud the high court for actually reading the Constitution instead of caving to pressure.  What is really too bad is that the liberal left has been allowed to twist the perception about firearms as badly as they have to date.  I grew up in small town Nebraska.  I see the trouble that large municipalities such as Omaha and Chicago have with crime and I sympathize but the problems of the inner city are NOT the problems of rural America.  Leave rural America alone; do not push your restrictive, punitive ideology onto people who do not need such things.

Growing up, firearms did not have the stigma that is currently being written into their “modern” definition by the liberal left.  As crazy as it might seem, a firearm was not regarded that much different than a hammer or a screwdriver.  They are tools—nothing more.  Dangerous, yes, but I was taught their proper usage and the safety rules…just as with a hammer.  You definitely did not want to use one in the house!  It comes down to this: place a firearm, fully loaded, onto a table and step away from it.  Can the firearm harm anyone if it lies on the table untouched?  Based on the LITERAL interpretation of the preceding question, the correct answer to that question is “no.”  A tool, any tool, requires an operator and it is the operator’s usage that determines the tool’s results.  A firearm cannot kill without an operator.  It is that simple.

Demonizing firearms is just plain silly; they are inanimate and incapable of motives or intent.  Why not place blame where it belongs?  Blame the damn criminals since the choices have been theirs all along.  They merely chose wrong and it is no ones fault but theirs.  I honestly do not care about a person’s background and whether or not it plays a part in their decision to pick up a handgun and rob/harm/kill someone.  The choice was still theirs to do it…or not.  Blaming an inanimate object for the crime in a society is irresponsible, head-in-the-sand liberalism, America.  It is ALWAYS about the choices made.  Lazy or stupid people consistently make poor choices since they will more than likely choose the easiest path that does not require “complicated” thought or reasoning.  (Stupid, by definition, is the inability to learn.  Fortunately there are few truly stupid people around.)
 The ruling and Obama's take on it were both absolutely correct. The Constitution does indeed grant individual rights for the citizens to have guns irrespective of the "militia" preamble. At the same time, the court allowed that states and municipalities can and do have the legal right to place reasonable restrictions on gun ownership, for example valid registration, background check, etc. And since there were two issues that were addressed by the ruling, one can comment on both issues, which is what Senator Obama did. He did not split the difference or ride the fence or straddle the issue. He agreed with both parts of the ruling. That one, the Constitution does give us the individual right to bear arms and two, individual states and municipalities have the right to place restrictions on those right, however, they cannot (as was the case in Washington DC) place a blanket ban on all hand guns.
Yeah right!  Law abiding citizens you say...like the British guy who just got convicted for killing his wife and 9 mo old daughter - he was a nice law abiding citizen...how about the person(s) who killed the two girls --I am sure whoever did it is a nice law abiding citizen.

Remember, everyone is a law abiding citizen....until they get caught!  Just hope none of you NRA nuts meet up with one of these law abiding citizens...like VP Cheney.
Also, when the founding fathers created the constitution the United States was a very different nation.  People did not have telephones.  Law enforcement's (when there was any) response time was very slow because there were no police cars.  People needed to hunt for food.  There was a lot of territory between neighbors.  And oh yes, lets not forget those pesky Indians...
In Kentucky we have the usual waiting periods for guns, a concealed gun law requiring a permit and many, many avid hunters and home owners that have guns.  I would guess most of our population owns a gun.  What we don't have are "vigilante groups", popping up on the pretext of "self defense" because of this. We still call the police here for trouble also.  These arguments do not hold water.

OBAMA 08
Repeal the second amendment? What would be next? I can't understand you liberals. You can't change the constitution to suit your mood. Obama did flip flop on this issue, and many others, but to you "followers" it doesn't matter what he says, he changes positions to whichever crowd he's addessing at the time, and gets away with it. I for one applaud the common sense ruling of the supreme court decision. Now if Il. and Wi. would pass concealed carry laws,Chicago's crime rate would drop. Daily and Obama put the ban in place, and it's not working.
IT WOULD APPEAR: AIDS-A POSTIVE-FOR FAMILY VALUES.

-and medical research-
Happy Bday-I don't like guns.  Besides the cops in my town scare me how stupid they are.  They wouldn't know common sense if it walked up to them, smacked them in the face and then bent them over for a good one.  THAT is what scares me!
The elitist imperialists have HAD their "day in the sun". All these years of ever increasing gun laws have done absolutely NOTHING to combat gun violence. Even if this WASN'T the case it would STILL be no excuse to abrogate the rights of the people to defend themselves. Who the h>>> do these people think they are to tell ANYONE that they can't carry a gun to protect themselves ?

George J. Dagis
"That would be GREAT if EVERYONE who had a gun was a law abiding owner, which is the problem.  Not everyone who HAS a gun is law abiding" - November is my Birthday.


So obviously the way to stop people who don't obey laws is to pass more laws?  Huhu?!  Most of the gun violence in cities is from trafficking (people, drugs, etc...) in organized or semi-organized crime that is either designed to keep a competitor or the local population in check.  

Local bans in cities like DC on handguns do nothing to stop these people, let's be realistic.  They've had the ban for 32 years?  And how many of the murders in DC are committed with shotguns and rifles and how many with handguns?  Constitutionality aside, the ban doesn't do anything.
Following the Supreme Court's landmark decision on gun rights, the cable news networks had one crucial task: rounding up the best gun-totin', pistol-packin', bullet-blastin' stock footage they could find to spice up their otherwise boring legal voiceovers.
Did they succeed? Judge for yourself with our roundup of the best gun b-roll used by the networks during the last news cycle: http://www.236.com/news/2008/06/27/news_network_stock_footage_arc_1_7408.php
"Happiness Is A Warm Gun," written by John Lennon, from the Beatles White Album. Lennon also died from a warm gun. Four shots. Ironic.
And if we keep the guns out of law abiding citezens, the oly people to have i=firearms are the police and the criminal scum. Anti-gun lobbyist are the most pathetic with there arguments.
I have news for you "repeal"   we gun huggers and the NRA OUTNUMBER you.   this is proven by the fact as we command MORE attention than you antis as a voting bloc.  no one panders to you only in a miniscule way.

you have much to fear politically obama.   there is no way to win us over as your record and where you hail from says it all about you.   you are an anti thru an thru.   this makes you a panderer extrodinaire as saying you support gun ownership is akin to a baldfaced lie.

Mccain will continue the trend of justices who support the 2nd.  obama would be the opposite; electing liberal judges who support gay rights abortion etc.  along with gun control as a pet
subject.   You can fool some of the people(the impresionable subjective emotional crowd)  but you will never get the gun lobby vote
I have to agree with Linda S Albuquerque, NM You shouldn't have to give up what you are acustomed to just because some one else doesn't agree with it, we are gun owners recreational/hunters, some people live on what they harvest, look at Ted Neugent, you don't see him telling you not to eat beef! we should also have the right to protect our families, my husband works nights , my daughter and I are home alone, you bet your revolver we both know how to load and use a gun,but that don't mean we have the right to shoot who ever we want that is not what I'm saying, have some common sense folks, you can teach someone gun safty but that don't mean they'll use it.It's not gun control it's SELF-CONTROL!!!  I love what your mother said "I'll give them my guns, one round at a time!" amen!!!


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