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First thoughts: Entering the lull

Posted: Monday, June 30, 2008 9:22 AM by Mark Murray
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From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, and Domenico Montanaro
*** Entering the lull: This week begins what’s essentially a two-month lull in the presidential race. Later this week is the July 4th holiday, next comes the Olympics in early August, and then we have the conventions -- the Democrats’ ending on August 28 and the GOP one on September 4. Then the day after, the sprint toward the November finish line truly begins. During this two-month lull, neither Obama nor McCain can win the election. But they both sure can lose it. That happened to John Kerry in August 2004, when the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth effort began and when his campaign wasn’t spending much money (saving its millions in general election funds to begin at the same time as Bush’s kicked in after the September GOP convention). What these next two months in the Obama-McCain race are about is positioning for September 5. Obama begins that process by delivering a speech on patriotism in Independence, MO today and -- as Politico’s Mike Allen reports -- a faith-based address in Ohio tomorrow. McCain, meanwhile, hits Pennsylvania, a battleground state Republicans haven’t won since 1988. There are at least a combined four bounce opportunities: the two VP selections and the two conventions. McCain's goal for these next two months: to have this a low single-digit race by September 5. Obama's goal is more obvious: 1) to begin erasing character doubts about himself, 2) bankrupting McCain financially in the lean red states, and 3) building not only a national lead but double-digit leads in as many states as he can.

*** Patriot Games: Per his campaign, Obama today in Independence, MO -- just days after his event in Unity, NH -- will “discuss what patriotism means to him and what it requires of all Americans who loves this country and want to see it do better.” NBC/NJ’s Athena Jones notes that there haven’t been a lot of town halls lately (cue the RNC hit on Obama for not just refusing town halls with McCain but with any voters at all, but we digress), so the all-but-certain Democratic nominee hasn't been asked about flag pins or the incorrect rumors about why he doesn't believe in pledging allegiance to the flag. Those are questions he used to get (especially in Indiana and North Carolina.) Jones adds that there are still a lot of people out there who are iffy about Obama because of his name, his background, and his upbringing. It may be true that a lot of these folks are probably not Obama supporters -- still this issue is an important one to address if his campaign hopes to expand the electoral map. And this patriotism stuff isn't just about flag pins; it's about attempting to counter the real hit that may be having an effect on Obama: the "is he one of us" question.

VIDEO: NBC Political Director Chuck Todd talks about John McCain and Barack Obama's patriotic messages this week and discusses McCain's trip to South America.

*** Patriot Games, Part II: Speaking of the topic of Obama’s speech today, it seems American presidential politics can’t quite get beyond this question: Just how big of a military hero were you? Yesterday on CBS’s Face The Nation, it was Wes Clark questioning McCain’s military record. "I don't think getting in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to become president," he said, as well as this: “[McCain] has been a voice on the Senate Armed Services Committee. And he has traveled all over the world. But he hasn't held executive responsibility. That large squadron in the Navy that he commanded -- that wasn't a wartime squadron." These comments weren’t helpful at all to the Obama campaign, as Team McCain used them -- and made sure reporters were aware of them -- by issuing this statement from retired Admiral Leighton “Snuffy” Smith: “If Barack Obama wants to question John McCain's service to his country, he should have the guts to do it himself and not hide behind his campaign surrogates. If he expects the American people to believe his pledges about a new kind of politics, Barack Obama has a responsibility to condemn these attacks." Clark, of course, was a Clinton surrogate during the primary season. What makes us think we won’t see Clark as an Obama surrogate again? Clark’s folks tell First Read that the general honors McCain’s service and would never disrespect it. However, they say that McCain is running for president “on his experience in national security, and Clark was talking about his qualifications in those terms.” It's a tricky hit. On one hand, Clark was looking like he was doing a VP audition by proving he's comfortable attack McCain. But did Clark go too far since now even Obama supporters will have to acknowledge McCain's military service honorably?

*** Does Obama have an Iraq problem? When the New Yorker is asking this question, then that means he MUST really have a problem. This isn't the Weekly Standard writing about this. “With the general election four months away, Obama’s rhetoric on [Iraq] now seems outdated and out of touch, and the nominee-apparent may have a political problem concerning the very issue that did so much to bring him this far," the New Yorker’s George Packer observes. “The relative success of the surge is one of the few issues going McCain’s way; we’ll be hearing about it more and more between now and November, and it might sway some centrist voters who have doubts about Obama." Then again, 54% in the latest NBC/WSJ poll said that victory in Iraq isn’t possible. The question on Iraq is whether Americans are paying attention to what’s going over there or whether they’ve already given up on the five-year-old conflict, no matter the progress. Still, it does seem as if more and more Americans are coming around to the "Pottery Barn" rule: If we broke it, we now own it.

*** Does McCain have a Bin Laden problem? Well, President Bush sure does, but will that carry over to the presumptive GOP nominee? The New York Times front-pages that Al Qaeda’s strength is growing in Pakistan. “[I]t is increasingly clear that the Bush administration will leave office with Al Qaeda having successfully relocated its base from Afghanistan to Pakistan’s tribal areas, where it has rebuilt much of its ability to attack from the region and broadcast its messages to militants across the world.” It's the type of national security reminder that can benefit the Democrats, even with someone supposedly as inexperienced on the issue as Obama who -- by the way -- was in the Illinois state senate on Sept. 11.

*** McCain’s pluses and minuses among Latinos: If it hadn’t been for those comments by Wes Clark, the chief political news from the weekend would have been Obama’s upcoming European and Middle tour, as well as McCain’s and Obama’s duel speeches before the National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials (NALEO). During the Democratic primary season, the CW was that Obama had a Hispanic problem. But after the first round of national polls, it’s not Obama who has this problem but McCain. Per the June NBC/WSJ poll, Obama got 62% of the Latino vote versus McCain’s 28%. McCain has strong credentials among Hispanics -- he’s from the border state of Arizona and he’s championed comprehensive immigration reform (although the DNC will be sure to remind you that McCain later walked away from supporting his own legislation). But the problem that he’s likely encountering is the Republican Party’s anti-immigration crusade of 2006 and 2007. After all, ask yourself this: To which party does Tom Tancredo belong? And what battleground state does he live in? That said, McCain’s upcoming trip to Latin America will get him lots of coverage in America's Spanish-language media. And that might help him distinguish himself from others in the Republican Party and start improving his standing among Hispanics, particularly in places like New Mexico, Colorado, Nevada and Florida.

VIDEO: This week, both Barack Obama and John McCain will be targeting the West, a key battleground in the race for the White House. NBC's Kevin Corke reports.

*** Speaking of western states: Both McCain and Obama targeting the west this week. McCain's doing it by heading south -- to places like Colombia and Mexico, hoping the Spanish-language media coverage gets him positive (and wall-to-wall) Spanish language media coverage. Meanwhile, Obama's spending most of his week out west, starting Wednesday in Colorado, then North Dakota on Thursday and spending the 4th in Butte, Montana.

*** Also worth pointing out: The centrist Democratic Leadership Council is holding its national meeting in Chicago. What’s interesting is that Obama isn’t attending. In addition, no Democratic presidential contender attended last year’s meeting, either. Obama might be moving to the center on some issues, but he certainly isn’t DLC-ing it….

*** On the trail: McCain makes two stops in Pennsylvania, touring and then holding a media avail at Turbine Airfoil Design in Harrisburg, and later conducting a town hall in Pipersville. Obama is in Missouri, hosting an event at the Truman Memorial Building in Independence.

Countdown to Dem convention: 56 days
Countdown to GOP convention: 63 days
Countdown to Election Day 2008: 127 days
Countdown to Inauguration Day 2009: 204 days
 
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Wow MSNBC.
Your reporters/analysts and anchors have done it again.
Mika Bresisnki and Andrea Mitchell were constantly commenting today on Morning Joe about how dumb of a move it was to question John McCain Commander-in-Chief credentials.

Are you serious?

Now as an Obama supporter, I have the view (just as 4 STAR GENERAL WESLEY CLARK ) that being shot down and taken as p.o.w is heroic and honourable, BUT it does not give you automatic Commander-in-chief status.

But that's my view, and General Clarks.

The shameless condensending tone of Mika made me regret tuning in to MSNBC. It reminds me of what goes on the FOX News Network.
You are supposed to be neutral Mika !
And if you disagree with the campaign strategy, then do so without being condensending.

WE finally have a nominee who is willing to take the fight to the republicans. And who is not willing to ceede the National Security fight to McSame.

So you at First Read and MSNBC should take note.
Obama doesn't like being pushed around. There is a new kind of Democrat in town, and WE ARE LOVING EVERY MINUTE OF IT.

The media confusion is priceless... just when they think they can pin him down and brand him, he shows them that they still have no clue !
McClain miliatay record is definitely in question.  

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I think that talking about patriotism is a good thing for Barack Obama.  I don't doubt that he's a patriotic person - but to address it in such a public forum will work wonders to quell those hateful Internet rumors that get passed around.  The flag-pin.  The Pledge of Allegiance.  Ick.

This will do a lot of good for his campaign.

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Hey Mark, instad of touting the low info voters and Wesley Clark (last time I looked he was just Wes, not an Obama surrogate, paid staffer,or ANYTHING), how 'bout reporting the fact that McCain, who supposedly loves the American Way, will lose a home he owns in La Jolla due to absolute failure to pay taxes on it going back FIVE YEARS.  Hows that for Stars n Stripes, apple pie behavior?
Senator John McCain's miliary record is very important for the American public to know.  How he served his country and his attitude toward it is a direct reflection of his true dedication to his service of his country.

He should release his entire military record (to date, only about 60 select pages out of several hundred have been released).  If he has nothing to hide, all is well.  If, however, it shows that he really wasn't the patriot he claims he was, he should stop peddling his military service as a reason for his preparedness to lead.  The American public has a right to truly know who might be leading our great country.
"McCain's doing it by heading south -- to places like Colombia and Mexico, hoping the Spanish-language media coverage gets him positive (and wall-to-wall) Spanish language media coverage. "


So this is McCains Immigration reform, go to the country before they enter ours and turn them off to the idea of being in america...this is one man that could do that, I know if he were elected I'd be less than enthralled with opportunity in this country.
bush/cheney/rove/mccant broke it so they own it but have yet to pay, however many good Americans have paid with their lives and limbs and all hard working Americans have paid $$$, iraq is 1 big reason for high oil prices, but do not worry as bush/cheney/rove/mccant and oil companies are laughing all the way to the bank
Think Wes Clark has a hard sell on this one.  If it wasn't a wartime squadron how the hell did he get shot down?  Does this mean that Wes Clark didn't command wartime battalions in Bosnia because officially there was no war?  I think he overreached.
Obama doesn't have an Iraq problem - if the surge is working, and things are going well in Iraq [which they aren't, just as the Iraqis living without working sewage systems and electricity and dodging femail suicide bombers], then Obama's message that McCain is wroing to want to stay there for 100 years, has credibility.

McCain is dead wrong for the country.

Obama is the man!
McCain only makes it seem that way..
my freinds....

Obama'08
Republicans will try to make the election about anything other than jobs, the economy, the deficit, healthcare, the war, the environment, and education.  They have a record of failure so they don't have a choice.
uh uh...it was mccain who kicked it off by pushing his military service as a proof of his bona fides and it was mccain who was inching towards making this an election about his military service and whether it mattered...

Along comes a general who says that mccain was no military genius or anything...I'd say the 4 stars trumps mccain eagle
I watched Face the Nation live yesterday and Bob Schieffer was specifically implying that flying a fighter and getting shot down in some way made McCain more likely to become a good President. Wesley Clark responded that it was largely irrelevent as a qualification. I think Schieffer's remark is the one that deserves rebuke. It was a ridiculous statement on his part.

Republican Congressman Duke Cunningham was a vastly superior fighter pilot in Vietnam than John McCain becoming the first Ace of the war.

Where is Duke Cunningham right now? Sitting in prison for taking bribes as a congressman.

George H. W. Bush was trained as a pilot, was shot down and then had a largely ineffective presidency.

George W. Bush was trained as a jet fighter pilot and he's the consensus choice for the most incompetent president in American history.

Does being a jet fighter pilot in fact qualify you to be a corrupt, ineffective and incompetent politician? There is at least history to support that conclusion but to tell you the truth, I think it is probably irrelevent to your qualifications as a politician and leader.

Just what Wesley Clark said.
McCain's appearance in Pipersville is no townhall. It's an appearance on the private grounds of a company (Worth) which has been found to have been paying its workers less than minimum wage on no fewer than half a dozen projects. Might endear him to the new 'robber baron' vote (though I can't see many of those failing to vote Rebublican), but I doubt it would impress many working people.
Being a POW does not qualify anyone for president.  If anything we don't ever want some unlucky incompetent pilot ruining our military again.  "War Lover" McCain is the worst thing that could happen to our military and our war against Al Qaeda and the Taliban.

"NeoNazi" Bush has failed utterly in bringing Osama bin Laden to justice.  Now they're wringing their hands trying to get lucky during an presidential election cycle hoping they can help their warmonger pal in the election with news that Osama has been captured or killed.  They desperately try to tell us that if there's another terrorist attack in America that they are the ones who can keep us safe when in fact if there's another attack that would prove they are incompetent at keeping our country safe or of defeating the terrorists.

Go Obama 08/12!
So I'm trying to read this post, and I'm trying to come up with a coherent response, but it is just FULL of so much that I find RIDICULOUS I barely know where to start . . .

- Why is John McCain considered successful if he is able to keep himself BEHIND Obama in the single digits, but the standard of success for Senator Obama is double digit leads?

- When asking the question about whether Senator Obama is "one of us", who the hell is "us"? Senator Obama is a natural born  American citizen, he went to school, got a job, ran for office. What is so exotic about that?

-"If Barack Obama wants to question John McCain's service to his country, he should have the guts to do it himself and not hide behind his campaign surrogates. If he expects the American people to believe his pledges about a new kind of politics, Barack Obama has a responsibility to condemn these attacks." - SAY WHAT? First of all, why is it an ATTACK to point out the TRUTH that John McCain's military service is not equivalent to executive experience? Second of all, the GUTS to not HIDE behind his surrogates? Who are you to question anybody's guts? Why is it that when John McCain's surrogates question Senator Obama's religious faith, his patriotism, his "exoticness", John McCain is not called a coward? This is the most RIDICULOUS THING I have EVER READ on First Read. You should be ashamed.

- Does Obama have an Iraq problem? Iraq is NOT stabilized. There is NO government, no agreement between the warring factions, and no plan for Iraqi independence that would lead to our withdrawal. AMERICA has an Iraq problem, because we cannot AFFORD to stay there forever. Simple as that.

I can see how the media plans to fill the "lull" in this campaign - doing John McCain's dirty work for him by accepting everything the McCain says as fact because he has been around Washington longer. It didn't work during the primary and it won't work now either. However, you should be ashamed of yourselves for trying.

What happened to the media not taking sides and reporting the news? Guess that's all in the past now.
I think you guys forget to mention that General( should I underline General with four stars0 Clark is an MSNBC analyst.  BTW I sae the WHOLE thing in the beginning he talked about honoring McBushes record and honoring his POW service.  However that in an of itself does not make qualify as the experience to be CIC and I agree.  If anything he probably walked away with PSD.  That would explain the bad temper and mood swings and maybe why he forgets to pay his bills ( 4 yrs late on property taxes in CA)
So is the Dems playing the reverse Swiftboat game?  I used to respect Wesley Clark.  I cannot believe he would even go near disrepecting McCain's service.  I agree, too, that if Obama wants to take that route, she should have cajones enough to do it himself. The way it goes with him, he reminds of a little kid hiding behind their mama's skirt.
Wes Clark is an idiot and shouldn't be allowed to speak on behalf of the Obama campaign again.

What he said is all factually correct but politically counter-productive. Perhaps the same points could have been made effectively if done so with more subtlety, but the way he did it made Clark sound like he was criticizing McCain because McCain doesn't have Clark's command experience, raising the obvious head-scratcher when the candidate he's supposedly backing obviously doesn't either.

There's something very Clintonian in that, and one of my concerns is that as Clinton supporters come into the fold they'll bring with them the same in-your-face chirping style that is just not right for this time.
MSNBC wrong or silent on the run-up to war and wrong on Senator Clinton's inevitability. I'd like Mika Bresisnki and Andrea Mitchell to articulate McCain's commander in chief credentials. He is a hero, however every hero is not suited to be the President of the United States. These political pundits often show just how average they really are. Mika is a joke really, but Andrea keeps disappointing me. She even did the hair toss today.
Hahahahahahahah!!!!!

The surge is working??????  If the surge is working, then why are American troops still DYING??????  If the surge is working then why do we STILL have more troops in Iraq?????  If the surge is working then what about Afghanistan??? Why was June THE DEADLIEST MONTH IN AFGHANISTAN??????  

GWB is a freaking IDIOT and So is McBush.  

And now they plan to strike Iran.

Can't wait to pay $10.00 a gallon for gas, as Iran is promising to attack our oil supply should we strike them.  Yet that seems to be GWB genius plan.

WHat a freaking IDIOT LOSER.
Obama is the problem !
All Obama has to do these last few months is say, `I will do just the opposite of what the Repubs. have been doing the last 8 years.  "Like making the rich get ALOT RICHER & the poor get alot POORER; and our country falling apart from the inside out.
"The relative success of the surge is one of the few issues going McCain’s way"
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Iraq is a success like a catastrophe is a success relative to a cataclysm. The fact that the war has generated 2 million desperate refugees straining the resources of the neighboring countries like Syria and Jordan seldom gets mentioned when these breathless claims of "success" are made. Neither does the actual toll of Iraqi civilian deaths, because apparently they don't really count very much.

Talking about things unmentioned: Another McCain problem has come up that most of the corporate media is trying to sweep under their increasingly lumpy carpet: McCain defaulted on taxes for one of his seven (or more) homes. (Newsweek reported the story, but there's no link to it on the MSNBC web site, I notice).

If it were Obama defaulting on his taxes, the media pundits would be opining loudly with alarm and consternation how whether we shouldn't trust someone with the nation's finances when he can't manage his own.

But in McCain's defense, I guess you could argue that if a guy is so obscenely rich that he needs 7+ homes, it does get hard to keep track of them all.
I don't see why MSNBC have Mika hosting The Morning Joe anyways. She seems clueless about everything and to play it safe, she agrees with EVERYTHING Joe believes.
uuuh..... McBush was SHOT DOWN AND CAPTURED BY THE ENEMY.  He didn't complete his mission.  HE FAILED.  Thats means he wasn't doing what he was supposed to be doing.

How in the heck does not doing your job right and getting shot down and captured by the enemy supposed to make me feel safe?

Sounds like he was an incompetent pilot and messed up.


That sure doesn't sound like Presidential qualifications to me.

Sound like LOSER.
As a VietNam combat veteran, I too question mccain's so called hero" status and military record. His campaign wants to bring it up at every opportunity, but thinks no one should dare question it. The same people who disgraced and made a mockery of John Kerry's service. Mccain claims "experience" but what has he ever accomplished? He is a fraud.
To Alan of NJ--I just finished reading McCain's Faith of my Fathers in which he tells of his wartime/pow experiences.  He was not the squadron commander when he got shot down.  Also, he admits of giving away the name of his ship and his squadron within the firts week of capture.  As a veteran, I was told that to only give name, rank, and serial number.  McCain also bragged about taunting his captors so that they would torture him (I guess to show his man-hood).  Anyway, he finally broke and signed a confession that he was a war crminal and had intentionally bombed a school.  I had read some of this on a blog, and didn't believe it. I checked out several of his books and in Faith of my Fathers, he admits all of this stuff.
McCain's war record makes him utterly UNQUALIFIED to be commander in chief.  McCain failed as a soilder. He got himself shot down and caught.  Not the kind of person I want running my military. If anything, it makes him a loose cannon....someone more likely to shoot first and never ask questions, someone more likely to reject objective evidence that the enemy is not the enemy, just because he wants to start war for the heck of it, someone who must have a few screws loose from all those POW days.

McCain - a failed depends wearing so called soild-er.

Obama for president!
First Read,
How come no reports about how June was the deadliest month in Afghanistan???

Why aren't we asking McBush about that????

Why aren't we demanding explanations from the administration??

Seems to me like that is real news.

Guess no one cares about that.


Again the MSM and CW is wrong.  Obama does not have an Iraq problem, McCain has an Iraq problem. Obama's Iraq position is the same as a majority of America's -We need to leave Iraq, slowly, carefully and responsibly.  He has been saying this for 18 months.   And General Wesley Clark was right.  Why would getting shot down in a plane qualify someone to be president ?

Not even a mention of McCain's 7 houses and defaulting on the taxes ?    
The, "is he one of us", with regard to Barack is a disgrace. It is evil, and sinful to arbitrarily smear someone because they are not the typical fair some insist upon; ie., a playing field that favors their kind, to the absolute exclusion to all others.
If Mccain is so good in a military sense... why are there vets groups against him? hmmmmm?
Great post Nasville Fan.
Obama has always honored McCain's service.
But did Clark go too far since now even Obama supporters will have to acknowledge McCain's military service honorably?
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What a STUPID question. Obama himself constantly says he respects McCain's service almost every time he speaks. But what does this have to do with pointing out the fact that flying planes and dropping bombs and being a POW is not a qualification for the presidency?

It's amazing how the corporate media helps out the GOP. Now they're trying to turn Wes Clark's common-sense observation (which was NOT an attack on McCain's war record) into something controversial.

I'd think there was some big corporate media conspiracy behind this nonsense, but the old saying is: never suspect conspiracy when stupidity is sufficient explanation. It seems that a lot of these very important "journalists" are just plain dumb.
McCain was at the bottom of his Navy class of 800, but because of his Daddy - he was flying planes he wasn't really qualified for, I think he's 0 for 5. Then he got shot down and was a Pow. A hero maybe, fit to lead the country, NO! He's milked that Hero bit for a little too long. When a General brings it up, I'm listening. McCain supports the failed policies of Bush. Futhermore, talk about flip flop, he's changed positions on Bills he has written! PS pay your taxes McCain!
Obama Rocks!
MSNBFOX! What is up w/ you guys. I miss Tim!
RIP Buddy!
And here's one reason why Clark's words were so damaging. They give false direction to Obama supporters, who start to echo the same points. Many of this will reflect only ignorance, and when McCain supporters argue against the attacks... the bottom line is the conversation stays on McCain's strongpoint of his military service.

Obama supporters - please don't go down the road of arguing that McCain screwed up by getting captured. You'll lose a few more independents every time you say that.
Go Obama. I don't like this argument that just because mccain is a war hero that somehow he knows more about foreign policy, he isnt even on the foreign policy committee like obama is.  McCain also has never held a high ranking position in the military.


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I am an Obama supporter and I have always - and will always - acknowledged McCain's military service honorably.  It is genuinely heroic and he deserves that honor.  But that, really, has nothing to do with leadership or command experience.  -- As General Clark - correctly - pointed out, McCain is running in part on his military experience and knowledge, his ability to be Commander in Chief.  So it is very legitimate to question the bredth and depth of that experience, and Gen. Clark has standing to do that in a relevant way.  ---- Obama is not claiming vast military experience and knowledge.  He acknowledges that McCain has that more than he ... the question is does he have *enough*?  Obama is running on judgment, leadership and ability to learn.  It is legitimate to question him on those issues ... as has been done. Why is it not legitimate to question McCain on the attributes that he points to?    -------  Maybe folks are surprised seeing Democrats taking the lead on asking some of these hard questions.
The shameless condensending tone of Mika made me regret tuning in to MSNBC. It reminds me of what goes on the FOX News Network.
You are supposed to be neutral Mika !
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You Obamabots are hysterical. You have no problem when the rest of MSNBC swoons over everything Obama does.  But you somehow draw the line when someone dare breathe even a hint of criticism toward an Obama surrogate.
Having served in the military in Europe during the time that General Clark was there I would be hard pressed to think of military leader who was respected less than Wes Clark.

His first thought has always been what is good for himself and his career.  Always.  Read up on him, or ask Richard Holbrooke sometime.

Or better yet, ask Wes if he ever got his hat from Ratko Mladic back.
John McCains service to this country was honorable and beyond reproach. He was repeatedly tortured for 5 years, almost died because he was denied medical assistance and, as a result, can barely lift his arms today.

Having said that, I don't think his POW status gives him commmader-in-chief credentials.  Admiral Stockton (a Medal of Honor Winner) was his commanding officer and when Stockton ran for VP with Perot he clearly was unqualifed toi be VP.  Status as a POW, does not qualify you for VP.

He rose to the rank of Captain (Colonel is the equivalent rank).  He never commanded a fleet, task force, etc.  He commaned a sqaudron. Media reports (true or not) state he would not have made admiral and then subbsequently resigned.  Clark was a 4 star general, NATO commander and won the Setbian war without the loss of a man.  His qualification as a military expert are beyond reproach.

Since McCain has opened the door about his qualifications for Commader-In Chief through by his constant reminders in his speaches and ads (including yesterday with Graham), why is it not fair to question his qualifications, NOT his pariotism.  

I think the comments were fair, but ill-timed and certainly could have been phrased in a more thoughtful fashion.

This was not a swiftboat attack.  This was a truthful summary of his service.
To Steve NY. You are so right.
Morning Joe, you guys are hillarious, why why are you guys so negative about Obama, I used to get up every morning and watch you, now not so much First of all, are you guys trying to stir up some false drama about Obama so your ratings will out do Fox,Cnn, And Andrea Mitchell wasn't she with Hill when the snipper fire was going off and said nothing while Hill was lying.  Be fair with the reporting, leave your personal opinion at home.  You guys have become disgusting.. Maybe Todd should read some of the blogs going around about your show.  
Gotta say First Read, You missed the boat today.
All of these people have not done there homework..  
McCain.what country are you running for,seems that you have more interest in Mexico,and Colombia and wasn't that the beer baron in Europe last week.Have you tapped out in the U.S, and now are looking for funding outside of the country.As for the comments made by Wes Clark I agree,he was a pilot,he screwed up and paid a high price,but does that make you prepared for The office he is running for??????
Clark is absolutly correct-McCain's war experience is of no value-he is a war hero-but his background is more of a detriment than an asset. The media is AFRAID to admit that Clark is right.


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