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Obama: Can he woo evangelicals?

Posted: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 9:11 AM by Domenico Montanaro

The AP: "Reaching out to evangelical voters, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama is announcing plans that would expand President Bush's program steering federal social service dollars to religious groups and -- in a move sure to cause controversy -- support their ability to hire and fire based on faith.” Obama today will be "unveiling his approach to getting religious charities more involved in government anti-poverty programs during a tour and remarks Tuesday at Eastside Community Ministry in Zanesville, Ohio. The arm of Central Presbyterian Church operates a food bank, provides clothes, has a youth ministry and provides other services in its impoverished community."

Per an email today from the campaign, “Obama does not believe that faith-based groups are an alternative to government or secular nonprofits, or that they’re better at lifting people but. But what he does believe is that we all have to work together to meet the challenges of the 21st Century.” In addition, it says that Obama’s proposal won’t violate the separation of church and state. “First, if an organization gets a federal grant, it will not be permitted to use that grant money to proselytize to the people it serves, and the group will forbidden to discriminate against them on the basis of their religion. And groups will be required to comply with federal anti-discrimination laws in their hiring practices—including Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which prohibits employment discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin. Second, federal dollars that go directly to churches, temples, and mosques will only be allowed to go toward secular programs. And Obama will ensure that taxpayer dollars only go to those programs that actually work.”

The New York Times: "Obama and his advisers are seeking support not only among relatively moderate evangelicals like Mrs. Speakman, who voted for Mr. Bush in 2000 but backed Senator John Kerry, a Democrat, in 2004 because of her opposition to the war. They are also trying to take advantage of signs that some conservative Christians are rethinking their politics, urged along by a new generation of leadership and intensified concern about issues including climate change, genocide, AIDS and poverty.”

“Between now and November, the Obama forces are planning as many as 1,000 house parties and dozens of Christian rock concerts, gatherings of religious leaders, campus visits and telephone conference calls to bring together voters of all ages motivated by their faith to engage in politics. It is the most intensive effort yet by a Democratic candidate to reach out to self-identified evangelical or born-again Christians and to try to pry them away from their historical attachment to the Republican Party." 

The NRA is pledging to spend some $15 million this year against Obama, Politico reports. "While the gun culture is typically associated with the South, it’s actually the industrial Midwest where hunting is most popular. Pennsylvania has the most NRA members per capita of any state, and, after Texas, the next four states that sell the most hunting-related goods are Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan and Missouri, according to the Association of Fish and Wildlife Agencies.”

“And while Bill Clinton, Gore and Kerry could all handle a gun and had been hunting many times over the years, Obama has never hunted in his life and is the furthest thing from an outdoorsman. Yet, as with so many issues on which Obama is vulnerable, McCain isn’t exactly a perfect alternative."

Ad Watch: Per the AP, Obama’s second general-election ad “says Obama ‘passed’ several initiatives, giving him all the credit, although they are bills the Legislature passed and not the work of a single lawmaker. Obama was more than one mere vote on the bills cited -- he was one of the leading negotiators who helped turn the legislation into law. He was not the only key player, but many politicians claim responsibility for passing laws that many have worked on.
 
“He was a leader in passing welfare reform, working to get changes in Illinois with the goal of moving people from welfare to work. And in the next eight years, the number of families receiving welfare dropped from 167,124 to 36,331. But to suggest Obama personally ‘slashed the rolls by 80 percent’ is a stretch; federal law signed by President Clinton required the state come up with a plan to trim the welfare rolls. Obama said he would have opposed Clinton's initiative.”

The New York Times David Brooks examines the new donor class giving money to Obama. "The real core of his financial support is something else, the rising class of information age analysts. Once, the wealthy were solidly Republican. But the information age rewards education with money. There are many smart high achievers who grew up in liberal suburbs around San Francisco, L.A. and New York, went to left-leaning universities like Harvard and Berkeley and took their values with them when they became investment bankers, doctors and litigators.”

“Obama had decided to take a stroll down one of this tiny town's quiet streets Monday after a speech on the topic of patriotism. That sort of public appearance isn't something the Democratic presidential candidate does often, and he encountered people welcoming him onto the porches of their bungalows and clamoring politely but energetically in small crowds to see him. He obliged nearly everyone who wanted to shake his hand. But he never wavered from his goal -- the imposing white Victorian manse that Harry Truman called home and used as the ‘Summer White House’ during his presidency.
 
"Proclaiming Truman ‘one of my favorites,’ Obama would chat briefly, then resume his walk toward the tour. Until he met Tootie Williams, that is. The St. Louis native was wearing an oversized white T-shirt. It featured a picture of him and said: ‘Obama's in the House.’ Obama said he loved it. So Williams said she'd give it to him and started to peel it off. This caused much laughter, but also obvious consternation on Obama's part, even after she assured him she had on another shirt underneath -- which she did. As she struggled to remove the T-shirt with a mob of reporters and cameras looking on, he warned "Hold the rest of it down!"

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The year after the Born Alive Infants Protection Act became federal law in 2002, identical language was considered in a committee of the Illinois Senate. It was defeated with the committee's chairman, Obama, leading the opposition.
Let's be clear about what Obama did, once in 2003 and twice before that. He effectively voted for infanticide. He voted to allow doctors to deny medically appropriate treatment or, worse yet, actively kill a completely delivered living baby. Infanticide How could someone possibly justify such a vote? In March 2001, Obama was the sole speaker in opposition to the bill on the floor of the Illinois Senate. He said: "We're saying they are persons entitled to the kinds of protections provided to a child, a 9-month child delivered to term. I mean, it would essentially bar abortions, because the equal-protection clause does not allow somebody to kill a child." So according to Obama, "they," babies who survive abortions or any other preterm newborns, should be permitted to be killed because giving legal protection to preterm newborns would have the effect of banning all abortions.
I dont see how Evangelicals could get past this.
Obama clearly is thinking outside of the box for the Democrats this election, having learned from the mistakes of the Gore and Kerry campaigns.  Good for him!
You gotta' be kidding me!
It's a good move to get those voters.  Obama will need to fulfilled his promises if he wins the election!!

I am sure this move will cause alot of conflict!!


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I think Obama can get evangelicals. I have felt this for a long long time now since last fall actually. I feel OBAMA has more faith and his ideals seem in line with them. I have faith that some evangelicals are going to look at issues like : war, economy, fuel crisis, lagging foreign policy, and property foreclosures before abortion..... Thank you god!
After all they gave bush an anti abortion vote and here we are almost eight years later ... and?
I'm pro choice and respect those for their opinions. We are a country of many and we need to vote accordingly.
I get so sick and tired of the pandering that has to be performed to special interests.  Sen. Obama will be a fantastic POTUS for EVERYBODY, whether they're black, white, Catholic, Evangelicals, Indian, Muslim, rich, poor, etc.  If these blocks of voters cannot and do not have the intelligent fortitude to make a decision as to who would be the right person to lead our country, then they shouldn't vote.

OBAMA/BIDEN 2008!
Barry should stay out of the tar pits with the evangelicals...they will never vote for him and he can only alienate the rest of us with an education and appreciation for scientific fact....
Biased--You are not telling the whole story!  Give it up!
Goodly words, are like a goodly tree. Their roots go deep.

While watching Morning Joe today, it occured to me that as Obama continues to take the high road, he is convincing even his most ardent detractors, like Buchcanan, to relax their resistance against him.

Good words are not just words. They are power. Yesterday's speech was powerful.
As usual, it doesn't bother Obamatons that the Messiah embellishes (nice word for lies) about his record.  I read with interest that genocide is a concern of evangelicals.  yes, it is.  But, how do they then support a man who promotes the brutal mutilation and killing of our own unborn citizens?
Wow, Most Impressive.  

"hire and fire based on faith"?  Yikes.

I think that Obama has a real shot of winning over the Evangelical vote.  My only worry is that he will win that vote at a cost... and I'm unsure exactly how 'expensive' that cost will be...

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Let's be clear about what Obama did, once in 2003 and twice before that. He effectively voted for infanticide. He voted to allow doctors to deny medically appropriate treatment or, worse yet, actively kill a completely delivered living baby.
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But, we HAVE to protect the civil rights of murderers who took the life of another living being. Yep, Obama, gotta protect those murderers who made a conscious choice to kill.  But, an innocent child who gets born by "mistake" has no rights and can be killed right there in the delivery room.  You hypocrite.
Biased- 4,000 of our soldiers dead in Iraq.  Why are some Republicans only pro-life from conception to birth?
Hmmm, not sure about this one.

My basic problem with the faith based stuff is that it opens these faith groups to potential tampering and corruption; in much the same way that local schools are held hostage to any dumb federal idea that comes down the pike out of fear of losing federal funding.

For example, here in Virginia we resisted the 'no child' standards of learning because they were somewhat universally seen (by many in both parties) as inferior to what we had before. Virginia Republicans threatened not to go along with the Bush Administration. But in the end, they and Virginia schools did go along. Federal dollars are an addiction. It would be a shame to see faith groups become the next public money junkies.
yes once again right wing religious swiftboaters are spreading lies and slinging mud but America is not deceived and knows better and dems will clean sweep in nov
Come on, Obama. We already give churches tax breaks to help them do their work, mission.  You're supposed to be the big constitutional law person. How can you use federal money to support religious groups.  You say they won't be allowed to prostelytize.  how are you going to monitor that?  Have you ever been to the Salvation Army? They do wonderful work, but you're going to get a dose of religion with it!  More pandering, more promises. I will give to my church; others can give to theirs.  Guess this fits in with the big grants you voted to give ol foul mouth Pfleger. I don't want my tax money supporting somebody like that.  And, how much will you be funneling to ol "I hate America" Wright at Trinity?
The evangelicals should not be classified as a 'red voting block' as they have in past elections.  In this day of 'high info', people have the opportunity to judge the candidates in total, rather than just one or two issues.  

This entire 'blue' state, 'red' state chatter is just silly!  This is the USA, not Red America and Blue America..  

For years the Repubs screamed morality - HOW CAN A MAN BE TRUE TO HIS COUNTRY, IF HE CAN'T BE TRUE TO HIS WIFE...  And look who their 'contender' is this year...  A man who ripped his wifes heart out, and left her for the trophy wife...  And she still loves him...  It's so totally sad...  Great choice, Repubs...
 This is a waste of time for Obama.  The likelihood of him getting the evangelical vote is about as good as McCain getting the African American vote.  
With Obama's record of supporting infanticide crystal clear and on the record, unless he flip-flops on it, it is impossible to imagine why evangelical Christians would even consider voting for him  -- the problem for McCain is that evangelicals may just stay home.


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