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The general: Is the South out of reach?

Posted: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 9:17 AM by Domenico Montanaro

Author of "Whistling Past Dixie"/Democratic political analyst and political science professor Tom Schaller makes his case against Obama getting too fired about his ability to win Southern states. "Two pervasive and persistent myths about racial voting in the modern South are behind the notion that Mr. Obama might win in places like Georgia, North Carolina and Mississippi. The first myth is that African-American turnout in the South is low. Black voters are actually well represented in the Southern electorate: In the 11 states of the former Confederacy, African-Americans were 17.9 percent of the age-eligible population and 17.9 percent of actual voters in 2004, analysis of Census Bureau data shows.”

“And when socioeconomic status is held constant, black voters go to the polls at higher rates than white voters in the South. In other words, a 40-year-old African-American plumber making $60,000 a year is, on average, more likely to vote than a white man of similar background. The second myth is that Democratic presidential candidates fare better in Southern states that have large numbers of African-Americans. In fact, the reverse is true, because the more blacks there are in a Southern state, the more likely the white voters are to vote Republican.

“Mississippi, the state with the nation’s highest percentage of African-Americans in its population, illustrates how difficult Mr. Obama’s task will be in the South. Four years ago, President Bush beat John Kerry there by 20 points. For the sake of argument, let’s assume that Mr. Obama could increase black turnout in Mississippi to 39 percent of the statewide electorate, up from 34 percent in 2004, according to exit polls. And let’s assume that Mr. Obama will win 95 percent of those voters, up from the 90 percent who voted for Mr. Kerry four years ago."

Schaller eliminates both Florida and Virginia from his Southern analysis, as the two states are not, well, Southern anymore.

Writing about Ohio, NBC/NJ’s Carrie Dann notes: “Obama’s team has the benefit of two different playbooks from past statewide campaigns. On the one hand, they can pore over John Kerry’s 2004 plan to swell urban turnout to unprecedented levels; on the other, they can trace the county-by-county vote totals of the state’s popular Democrats -- like Governor Ted Strickland and freshman senator Sherrod Brown -- who courted the support of Ohioans in rural and exurban areas.” 

Conservative activist Gary Bauer claims the decision by CA to legalize gay marriage could help the GOP. "The Pew poll found that 41 percent of Republicans say same-sex marriage will be ‘very important’ to their vote this year, which is remarkable considering that 39 percent felt as strongly in 2004.”

“These are the voters who will be motivated by the California ruling. I asked Alliance Defense Fund senior counsel Glen Lavy, who argued against same-sex marriage in the California case, to put the ruling in context. He said the decision is ‘far worse’ than the 2003 Massachusetts Supreme Court decision, because Massachusetts had no statutory law defining marriage at the time. In California, however, four judges rewrote a law passed only eight years earlier by a significant majority of California voters.”

USA Today looks at McCain's chances to pick off Pennsylvania.

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This is something I was saying way back during the primaries...Obama's strategy for winning the South is not a sure thing despite his great wins during the primaries because those who didn't vote in those primaries - republicans - make up more of the electorate than those who were eligible to vote in teh democratic primaries.  His best bet is, in fact, GA and FL and VA.
Winning the South will be hard for Obama!  The southern states are all RED!!

However, Obama has a chance to get a majority of votes in some areas of the south. Definitely not Texas,Miss or even Bama!!

Maybe GA, SC, TN!! maybe FL!!

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my guess is this election is all about ....change. May you all be surprised when Obama brings it!
Obama for the future
I wish General Clark would simply be quiet.

It's not that I think he is right - or wrong - but he is stealing Barack Obama's thunder.  Making a speech on patriotism yesterday - and faith today - the headlines continue to be Gen. Clark's comments.  The focus should be on Obama, the faithful patriot who is best suited to be the next president.

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hopefully not that many southerners a still of the racist mode, I would hope intellegence wins out over racism obviously the rethugnutz hope otherwise.
ARE YOU BETTER OFF TODAY THAN 8 YEARS AGO
About remarks about faith based organizations in Obama's speech - The preview of what he will say in his speech that I saw is not the same as your review. My understanding is that in the community based government assisted part, hiring and firing will not be based on religious organizations. However, the NON tax based portion would be allowed to hire and fire considering religion.  
By the way, Chuck Todd is my favorite cable news personality. :-)
Bottom line is Obama is just trying to get McCain to spend money defending the south.

Virginia is a possible pick-up (more likely than Florida at this point). North Carolina is a long-shot, but a possibility for the same reasons that Virginia isn't a long-shot anymore - changing demographics in favor of younger suburban professionals.

Its true parts of Virginia aren't the south anymore. And that line is pushing further south. Twenty years ago the border between mid-Atlantic and South was the Occoquan River. Today, its darn near the Rappahannock. And the Virginia suburbs to the north have been one of the fastest growing areas in the country.
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1.) DRILL FOR OIL, ON USA LANDS & WATERS, WHERE THERE IS A KNOWN & VAST AMOUNT OF OIL (estimated 20 billion barrels)?, and
2.) BUILD NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS TO SUPPLY A VAST AMOUNT OF OUR ELECTRIC POWER NEEDS?

- OR, as OBAMA proposes -

3.) RESEARCH & DEVELOP NEW SOURCES OF ENERGY and DEVELOP THE MEANS TO UTILIZE THOSE NEW ENERGY SOURCES?

Obama argues that drilling for oil will not yield results for 10 years.  How long does Obama think it will take to develop and implement the “new energy sources” so as to yield significant results?  Probably longer since it is “unproven.”  (Remember the idea of using ‘corn’ to produce a renewable energy source has caused a shortage of farmlands and increased prices for corn!)  

IF WE LIFT THE CONGRESSIONAL BAN ON DRILLING FOR OIL ON USA LANDS & WATERS ---- IT WILL HAVE AN IMMEDIATE EFFECT TO LOWER IMPORTED OIL PRICES BECAUSE IT WILL SEND A CLEAR MESSAGE TO THE OIL PRODUCING COUNTRIES THAT “WE MEAN BUSINESS” TO RELIEVE OURSELVES OF DEPENDENCE ON FOREIGN OIL.

A long-term energy plan must be developed, which includes cost-effective and renewable energy sources ---- but we cannot fool ourselves into thinking that our economy and way of life can suffer the current oil & gasoline prices, for long, without irreparable harm TO OUR ECONOMY AND STANDARD OF LIVING..

THE WAY FOR JOHN McCAIN TO DEFEAT OBAMA IS TO  ……………………..
“MAKE OIL AND ENERGY THE TOP ISSUE IN THIS CAMPAIGN”.
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Tom Schaller, and the rest of the talking heads, who have no problem dealing with the economic mine field most American's are struggling to navigate, are woefully out of touch.

Recently, I viewed a video of a rebup representative having his ears boxed by caller, after caller, calling into a talk show with their comments.

One of them, a male repub, with a thick southern accent, really went off on the congressman. His utter disgust over the broken promises of the Bush administration, gave me great reassurance that Obama can compete in the south.
Woo is not the proper word....

The people of the South know well that change is
way the nation must repond to shirtcomings of the GOP's decisions...Their hard work tells them times are bad...and change that's that small element of faith...that little leap for change so we can build the better promise of our fathers...
"They and we will unite this country for a better America",
Obama'08
I have a black friend from North Carolina, who beleives the South will kill Obama's chances of being elected, because the South is too virulently racist. I've never lived in the South, so I can't pretend to know the Southern mindset. But it seems he'll have to win over whites as well as blacks down there in order to win the South.
No the South is not out of reach........We have the economy......Same war as the rest of the country.
Sissy liberalistic muslim Osama Obama is not going to win the south I can promise that will not happen.  People in the south and Texas and out west in the south will not vote to have there guns and all their money taken from them for stupid welfare deals.  It is the time for navy hero McCain to be president and win our wars over in the middle east and get it done.  Do not vote for Bob Barr or for Ron Paul like some stupid non-conservative republicans say they will because you might as well vote for Jimmy Obama if you do.  Vote for John McCain for president of the US!
Obama will win every major urban area in NC. That's a fact. Rural areas in NC are staunchly conservative and it isn't true that the Afican-American voter demographic will go to Obama automatically. It's amazing the difference a few miles makes. That being said, a lot of conservatives aren't too giddy about voting for John McCain either. They may choose the silent third option and simply not vote. Racism is not dead in NC, but its not as prevalent as many people would have you think.

What it all comes down to is that NC is still in play for Obama. I just don't know if its worth the fight and the resources. I'm from NC and I DON"T think it is. Focus on Virginia and Florida. They are more likely to support Obama for less effort. Especially if McCain keeps talking about drilling off the Florida coast. (That wasn't too savvy of him)
In this year of change, don't be surprised if Obama makes some inroads in the South. The poor economy is throughout the country, not just the North, or East or West........it also affects the South. Obama needs to hammer home the lies told by Bush 7 1/2 years ago and the promises made and never carried through just to get elected. Bush lied to the entire country and now you are beginning to see the effects of that. He should be impeached and tried, along with Cheney, as war criminals. No wonder McFossil doesn't have chance.
Christianity is the obsessive study of news, and the intimate lives of gay people. If anyone of them had truely loving feelings towards their spouses, they wouldn't give a damn about their weird cult. So, they should get a life, and look at their worlds, as they are, without the news colored lenses. But, then what would they have?
It may be true that obama will take few or no Southern States.  Nevertheless, based on current poles, he has a very real (if narrow) chance if Bob Barr is on the ballot.  This may force McCain to spend money and resources defending himself in states that he was probably going to win anyway -- Money that he really dosn't have.  If he is able to generate increased turnout, that will also benifit Democratic congressional races.
I agree w/ southern scholar-you have to live around the hand outs that people get around here. The smart folks are Republicans and the lazy ones are Democrat.
do you know that China is drilling "off the coast" of Florida?  who would you rather have drilling, the US with all of the regulations and windfall profit taxes or China who probably wouldn't shed a tear if they had an unexpected oil spill that would impact the coast?  Just asking.


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