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A tightrope on gay marriage

Posted: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 2:01 PM by Domenico Montanaro

From NBC/NJ’s Matthew E. Berger


Where do the campaigns stand on the California initiative to ban gay marriage? It can be hard to figure out.
 
The McCain campaign quietly released their support for the initiative -- which declares marriage as a union between a man and a woman -- last Thursday. (McCain voted against the federal constitutional same-sex marriage ban.)

VIDEO: Across California, gay couples rushed to get marriage licenses and exchange vows for the first time, triggering celebrations, protests and a new cottage industry. NBC's Chris Jansing reports.

There was no press release, and the statement appears nowhere on the campaign Web site. Instead, the McCain camp gave a statement to the organization behind the California initiative.
 
“We sought the endorsement, and they gave it to us,” said Jeff Flint, the campaign manager for the Protect Marriage Initiative. “We asked if we can put it out, and they said, ‘yes.’”

The two-sentence statement reads: “I support the efforts of the people of California to recognize marriage as a unique institution between a man and a woman, just as we did in my home state of Arizona. I do not believe judges should be making these decisions.”
 
The campaign appears to be saying one thing to conservative groups, and another to the mainstream media. When the California Supreme Court ruled on gay marriage in California on May 15, campaign spokesman Tucker Bounds made a similar statement, but didn’t send it to their full press list. It’s not on their Web site, either.
 
On June 3, when the California initiative qualified for the November ballot, the campaign released a less declarative statement to the national press, in John McCain’s name, in which he said, “I welcome the news that the people of California will have the opportunity to decide on the question of the definition of marriage, rather than having that decision made by judicial fiat as the California Supreme Court asserted in their recent ruling.” It doesn’t say whether he supports it.
 
Backing the California initiative is a controversial move for McCain. The state’s Republican governor, Arnold Schwarzenegger, opposes the measure, and while a recent Los Angeles Times poll showed 54 percent of registered voters backed the amendment, the paper’s polling director, Susan Pinkus, said ballot measures usually lose support during a campaign and the current numbers “may not bode well for the measure.”
 
His stated support for the measure helps McCain with social conservatives, who pressed him last week to speak more often on social issues like gay marriage and abortion. But it can hurt his standing with moderates and independent voters.
 
Obama, who also opposed the federal ban on gay marriage, took a similar tact in the opposite direction of McCain this weekend. The Illinois senator announced through the Alice B. Toklas LGBT Democratic Club that he opposed the California amendment. In a letter read in San Francisco Sunday, Obama said he he opposes “divisive and discriminatory efforts to amend the California Constitution, and similar efforts to amend the U.S. Constitution or those of other states.”
 
“Sen. Obama supports civil unions, and he has consistently opposed federal and state constitutional marriage amendments because as we have seen in some states, enshrining a definition of marrigae into the constitution can allow some states to roll back the civil rights and benefits that are provided in domestic partnerships and civil unions,” Obama spokesman Ben LaBolt said.

He added that Obama has made that case in front of Christian audiences as well as gay rights groups. LaBolt said the campaign has been telling reporters about their opposition to the state initiative since the Supreme Court decision, although it is not on its Web site either.
 

But Obama told the Human Rights Campaign in a questionnaire earlier this year that he opposed the idea of civil marriage for gay couples, while supporting civil unions that include the same legal rights. He also said he would oppose efforts to block states from voting on this issue.
 
“However, I do not support gay marriage,” he said in the questionnaire. “Marriage has religious and social connotations, and I consider marriage to be between a man and a woman. If I was President, however, I would oppose any effort to stifle a state’s ability to decide this question on its own.”
 
The McCain camp has accused of Obama of changing positions on this issue.
 
“He’s always said he’s opposed to gay marriage and that it should be left up to the states,” McCain spokesman Brian Rogers said. “I’m not sure how opposing this initiative would be opposing gay marriage. It doesn’t really track.”
 
Flint said McCain’s endorsement of the California amendment was important because it helps show the initiative is not mean-spirited, which he said can boost support.
 
McCain’s Web site has three paragraphs on protecting marriage in its “Human Dignity and Life” section of the issues tab. “John McCain believes the institution of marriage is a union between one man and one woman,” it reads, adding that the “Founding Fathers reserved for the States the authority and responsibility to protect and strengthen the vital institutions of our civil society.”
 
Patrick Sammon, president of the Log Cabin Republicans, a gay Republican group, said he had been talking to campaign officials since Friday to get clarification on their position.
 
“We obviously disagree with Sen. McCain and will work to convince him this amendment is wrong for California and wrong for America,” Sammon said.
 
Flint said his campaign has not decided whether to feature McCain’s statement in print or television advertising in California.
 
“We’ve put it out and we’ve got authorization to use the statement if and when it’s helpful to our campaign,” he said.

NBCNews/National Journal’s Carrie Dann contributed to this report.

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The "Maverick"  has become a whining, sniveling yeller bellied chicken.  If he believes in something why is he afraid to say so even if it's unpopular?  
Dear John, come on now John, We all know what your view of marraige is-----CONVENIENCE.
Why should a small percentage of the population overrule most Americans who view marriage as a sacred tradition between a man and a woman??  Let the smaller percentage invent their own word for their kind of unions; they can make most legal aspects that traditional marriage be viable through other kinds of legal means.  How can the noble state of Marriage as practiced through the ages now be changed by only a small percentage of Americans??  And by the way, whatever happened to referendums??
*sigh* I really hope Obama doesn't lose the evangelical vote because of this.

My wife and I have had many gay friends, and my boss was one of the first to get his marriage publicized by a lot of NorCal news sources. These marriages need to happen, folks.

I just hope that what I'm hearing isn't true: the gay marriage ban proposal might bring more GOP anti-gay people out to vote, so it could drive up numbers for McCain. *shudder* I hope not.

My morals tell me I have to understand people who think this is an abomination, but I'm having a hard time seeing why those people feel that way.

First, women. Then, race. Now, the same old haters come out of the woodwork to protest this. Get a grip: you're not the only people who deserve to be happy.
Somebody help me out, here...

Just what, exactly, does marriage need protection from?

I can't get behind this issue because I honestly don't see how this affects me...so it doesn't look like anything more than just people don't like homosexuality so let's pretend that marriage is somehow "threatened" by calling our act a "protection" of marriage.

Since over half of all marriages end in divorce it seems that the way to "protect" marriage is to outlaw divorce...but then Uncle Fluffy already benefitted by dumping wife #1 for his current trophy wife, Barbie!
ohhhhhhh, flipper!
Who really cares about this?  Life is hard enough, you can only live for one's self and bringing this up is plain divisive.

You can't tell adults what to do adn you can't strangle their lives with your own beliefs.  

Too much drama on this top.  There will be unions or partner situations afforded by some of the states, so whether we like it or not; it will occur.  
Obama didn't learn the lesson of his own people's struggle for civil rights...separate is NEVER equal!

VOTE AGAINST THE CALIFORNIA AMENDMENT!

If you are against gay marriage, you are a hateful, distgusting person, who deserves to burn in...
But he DOES think judges ought to make the decision for a woman in regards to abortion rights. Roe v. Wade is on his agenda from "DAY ONE" if he got elected.

Watch out ladies...he is out to set you back light years on the progress you have made!
Funny how Republicans whine about how "judges should [not] be making these decisions"... unless its a decision they agree with.
Mcsame's people also sent it via radio waves to Alpha Centari, figuring everyone would know about his brave stand in...oh...a thousand years or so.
What a spineless jellyfish! Be for it, be against it, but SAY WHERE YOU STAND!! Do we really want a guy like this in the White House?
Could the msm (including MSNBC) PLEASE stop beating a dead horse in reference to Gen. Clark's statment regarding McSame???

How about you guys reporting on the subject about McSame's taxes???  He owes quite a bit you know.  When are you guys going to stop giving him a "pass" just because he was a pow??? You're beginning to report lop-sided news in the same way you reported during the primaries.  This is really unfair to Sen. Obama and the rest of the citizens who want honest news and information reported on EVERYONE involved in the GE.


OBAMA/BIDEN, 2008!
I think Obama has really dorked out on this one.  The very fact that it's still a highly controversial issue in the left-leaning state of California should be a stark reminder to how unpopular gay marriage is in the nation as a whole.  Yet Obama has staked out a position which is clearly pro-gay marriage.  I think this will be a winner for Senator McCain.  Don't forget that both Arizona and Florida, both potentially competitive states, also have gay marriage bans on the ballot in November.
'crickets'?

Politicians. Watch 'em squirm. Stand up for your opinion, and let the chips fall where they may, with this, or any other issue.

Some folks won't like it, but at least you'll have their respect for being open, and honest.

I should think that the hide, and duck, or shuck, and jive, reaction would get a much more annoyed response.
I think Both McClain and Obama are agreeing to things to help support their campaign!!!

I want to see them support these issues after the elections!

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Berger, look out - you aren't going to last a week here at MSNBC if you point out the flawed campaign of McCain.  The entire campaign "...appears to be saying one thing to conservative groups, and another to the mainstream media."

If you go and point out their strategy, you will probably be held on charges of treason.  For Pete's sake man, we're at war here!  Are you trying to deliver 'information' to the enemy?

This is all said with sarcasm, for all those not following along,...

McCain camp,
Please find a message & stick with it.  I'm getting whiplash here.  You no longer have a base.  You've squandered Republican value voters and the Log Cabin Republicans.  Who the hell is going to vote for you?  The wealthy tax bracket represents less than 1% of our entire constituency.  I don't want to point out the obvious here; but (whisper) it's about the electoral college and votes.  I'd say you're losing it; but that's too easy.  You're done.

This election is really a slam dunk for our hoops star, Obama.  Just sit back and continue to look presidential.  The extreme right is clearly not paying attention to the troops on the ground.
I commend your coverage of the issues. It's good to know that MSNBC will resort to reporting where the candidates stand when steadfastly refusing to report on Newsweek's article regarding the McCain's failure to pay property taxes on a beachfront home in La Jolla, California. Goodness knows we wouldn't want to investigate why they pay less a year for a luxury beachfront condo than I do on a landlocked condo in the same state more than 20 miles from the ocean.

Yes, those issues sure are handy when you're trying to dodge news that doesn't paint McCain as the Saint of Hanoi.
There's a bigger issue: In that letter referred to above, Obama came out against the Defense of Marriage Act. That is a HUGE step towards a full-on federalist government as far as marriage is concerned. I welcome it, but I can see how this could make a lot of "states-rights" Obamicans mad.
McCain votes against the US economy are mean spirited. Obama's stance for civil rights says a lot more about government involvement in preference to fairness. Not paying taxes is typical of McCain’s saying…government leave me along.


The two-sentence statement reads: “I support the efforts of the people of California to recognize marriage as a unique institution between a man and a woman, just as we did in my home state of Arizona. I do not believe judges should be making these decisions.”
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What the he--?  Does McCain think that anything should go through the court system??  Hey junk-wad MARRAIGE IS A LEGAL AGREEMENT...our system forces us to get a license, there is special taxes, and most of all if we break that agreement it is settled out of court.  So before you invoke the olgiarchy on us remember that everyone in this country is subject to law...that includes future war criminals, tax- evaders, and retired arizona senators that were almost president.

Maybe if we focused on cracking down on the last three things I mentioned and no so much on free americans who love each other and pay taxes...we'd get alot more done in this country.

People stop the hate, we've become a much better country since america stopped legally oppressing women and other races...take another step.
I've got two words for all you conservatives and republicans that are so upset about anyone having the audacity to question someone's military service:

Purple Bandaids

Here's a picture for those jerks that have forgotten:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/04/169_bandaid.jpg

You reap what you sow losers.
Flip FLop continues to flip flop on issues.  I tell you McBush cannot get it straight for anything.  
I find it interesting that Rogers would try to call Sen. Obama flip flopping when his candidate says one thing but votes another.  At least Sen. Obama has an explination that he is willing to share in front of both sides of the debate.  McShame, only likes to speak of the current side of the coin where it is comfortable.

Nafta--Canada (and probably Columbia and Mexico)
More drilling --Texas (and not Florida)

Looks like Obama has the strong spine out of the two on this issue.
The campaign appears to be saying one thing to conservative groups, and another to the mainstream media.
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So much for the Straight Talk Express. It's been the Double Talk Express since the beginning. Just one more reason NOT to vote for McFossil.
Both parties are going to stick to the "civil union" position. There is no story here.  Neither candidate wants to offend the evangelical conservatives.  This is an example of the media trying to make a issue that doesn't exist.  

I've noticed that while the Media analyzes every word of Obama and gives McOld a free ride.  Viewer and the public are evaluating the media and questioning the words they use and the quality of their judgement.  With the exception of Chuck Todd and Keith Olbermann, MSNBC has some work to do...like housecleaning.  How I miss Tim.
What would obama think of this????  He had no opinion until his speech writers can come up with a "politically correct" response - then he will give a "major speech" - we are sick of your prepared speeches obama - you are a FRAUD!
I'm posting this here because I'm so disheartened.

I see why Dems have only won 3 times out of 10 in the last 40 years. The liberal Media ever since Vietnam attacks both sides.

When a dem pol has an issue he/she is hit by the right. Then hoping to clear the air he/she is then hit by the left.

No wonder we can't win the white house.

When even a pro like Mitchell confuses the issue for the public, you know we're in trouble.

Clark is getting the sh*t end of the stick from the left Media & it's not fair.

The right wing media protect Black & the issue died.

Where the talk about McCain's swift boat defender Day?

Every election the left Media set's us up in the nomination & then tear us down in the GE.
Why should a small percentage of the population overrule most Americans who view marriage as a sacred tradition between a man and a woman??  Let the smaller percentage invent their own word for their kind of unions; they can make most legal aspects that traditional marriage be viable through other kinds of legal means.  How can the noble state of Marriage as practiced through the ages now be changed by only a small percentage of Americans??  And by the way, whatever happened to referendums??
Barbara Schernick (Sent Tuesday, July 01, 2008 2:10 PM)
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Barb,

Do most Americans really see it that way? Or do they see it as a begining of a divorce? The last I checked, we have a higher percentage of man/woman divorces than the gay or lesbian divorces........And your buddy McCain(or you can read as 'even our founding fathers' i.e. McCain) can attest to that as living proof..
It's a States Rights issue.  Candidates for President should leave it at that.  Who cares whether or not the President supports or does not support same sex marriage?  There are far more important and pressing problems facing the nation like energy, war, health care, deteorating infrastructure, the economy, environmental concerns etc. which the next president will have to confront.  Who marries whom should not be an issue in presidential elections.  
 Why is it that every time Obama makes a clear and concise statement the McCain campaign's first words are "He ALWAYS....." fill in the blank and then they attempt to put words out that favor their campaign. Why can't they just make their policies known and be done with it. To always bring up your opponent when a question is asked of you is petty and childish. Our politics need to be better than this.
McCain took this off the table he's in favor of Partners and benefits just not Marriage.

This scare tactit no longer works we have too much SUFFERING FROM THE RECESSION TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS

NOTHING IN THIS TOPIC WILL PUT GAS IN CARS, FOOD ON THE TABLE, PROVIDE JOBS, RETURN LOSS PENSIONS, IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID

this is not the 2004 election of fear mongering and petty issues, Americans are suffering and the issues are very clear

Republican & John McCain Distractions are out of play and out of date so they can either deal with the issues directly or just do what they do best

IGNORE THEM>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Ditto Clara in KCMO!
McCain includes Bush pic in fundraising pitch. The truth is bitter.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0708/McCain_includes_Bush_pic_in_fundraising_pitch.html#comments

Jedreport: John McCain can't keep his story straight about George Bush
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm9rLDU-SiE&eurl
If McCain believes marriage is between one man and one woman, why did he ditch the one woman, his wife, who waited for him all those years he was a POW?

Oh, that's right, she had put on weight. And he had just met Cindy the heiress.

Guess there's a loophole in that whole sanctity of marriage thing -- or it's just not important to back up words about beliefs with actions.
I have never understood the opposition to State provided gay marriage.  Nobody is speaking here about forcing religious institutions to perform the sacred right of marriage against dogma, or tradition.  Marriage by the state is already secular, not sacred.  All you have to do is look at the high rate of divorce to determine that heterosexual marriage does have problems.  I really don't see how allowing gays to go into a courthouse and get married has anything to do with other marriages.  

Perhaps if everyone thought very hard before they entered into marriage, heterosexual marriages would have lower rates of divorce.  Who knows?  I know my marriage won't be effected at all by gay marriage -- will yours?  It is up to me to make my marriage work; whether gays are allowed to marry has nothing to do with it.
Keep the sanctification of a marriage between a man and a woman in the church, where it belongs.
If people are married in a non-religious ceremony, sanctified only by the state, that union should be available to all citizens.
There is a factual error in the fourth paragraph. The US Supreme Court made no ruling on California.
My right to marry my same sex partner should not be decided by the will of the people...the will of the people cannot be used to justify their tyranny against the rights of the minority...that is why we have courts...this is a bedrock principal of representative democracy.

This referendum should not be allowed.  

If you have a problem with my same sex marriage, and yes, I am a gay man who married his same sex partner in August 2004 in Massachusettes [together for 14 years!], and it is legal there because of our timing, then you need to get a grip.

I am sick of the hate mongers who claim to be defending the so called sanctity of marriage and though it was a person, who was in distress.  Its a pretext for your homophobia.  I think my rights are more important.

Defeat the Referendum!
If the issue of gay marriage is such a no-brainer, why is Obama dancing around it like a stick of dynamite?  I hope he does come out and support it full throttle.  That will be the end of his campaign right there.  The overwhelming majority of Americans do not support it and never will.
Why is it that conservatives want government out of their lives but in everyone else's?
If gays and lesbians want to be miserable like the rest of us let them! lol.


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