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Iraq politics

Posted: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 1:28 PM by Domenico Montanaro
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From NBC’s Domenico Montanaro
The McCain campaign is trying to put Iraq front and center in this campaign -- now hitting Obama surrogate Sen. Claire McCaskill for saying the presumptive Democratic nominee would not change position on Iraq.

VIDEO: NBC's Andrea Mitchell talks with The New York Times columnist Bob Herbert about Barack Obama and John McCain's positions on the war in Iraq.

“I think that raises questions as to his sensibility given what’s happening on the ground there now,” said Rep. Eric Cantor (R-VA). “What sounded sensible a year ago -- at least to some” is not necessarily what’s right now or reflective of what’s happening on the ground, he continued.

Cantor, who has had his profile raised by mild rumors of his consideration as VP, warned, as have other Republicans, that pulling out at the wrong time could end up in a regrouping of insurgents or lead to an emboldened al Qaeda.

“He’ll have to change it,” Cantor said of Obama’s policy, calling it an “ideological commitment” and pandering to the Left.

Asked by a reporter if the war is going so well, doesn’t it make sense to start withdrawing some troops now, Cantor replied this way, “Look, the decision on troop levels is the decision of the Commander in Chief. … That’s why I raise the question on Barack Obama’s intransigence on his Iraq policy.”

“He needs a plan based on sustaining and improving” the situation, he said.

*** UPDATE *** The Obama campaign responds: "Throughout this campaign, Barack Obama has been clear and consistent in saying that we need to responsibly end the war in Iraq so that we can restore our military strength, finish the fight in Afghanistan and focus on the terrorists who actually attacked us on 9/11," Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor said in a statement. "Today, eleven months after Barack Obama called for more troops in Afghanistan, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff supported that position while pointing out once again that the war in Iraq is shortchanging our effort in Afghanistan. Instead of questioning Barack Obama's consistent call for a new direction in Iraq and Afghanistan, John McCain should explain why he is offering nothing more than four more years of a failed foreign policy that has asked nothing of the Iraqi government, overstretched our military, failed to finish the job in Afghanistan, and failed to bring Osama bin Laden to justice for over six years."

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"SUSTAINING AND IMPROVING" the situation over there. OH PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   THE NEVER ENDING PARADE OF STUPID MARCHES ON.
Mr. Cantor's logic just gave me a headache... on one hand, he can positively say that Obama's position on Iraq should change; on the other, when it comes to McCain changing his position, that is a decision for the President to make?
The Obama plan is an idealist mindset without regards to repercussions of a hasty pullout in Iraq that can do more harm than good... it shows how much of a 'bonehead' he is being a textbook-educated candidate.
And when Obama said in the priaries that his actions would be based upon the situation he found when he took office, they trashed his name. Is this the campaign McThuselah is going to run? Say nothing important, forget what you already said, and wait for every statement from Obama so you can then yell, "Oh yeah, well what about..."  Please go take a nap.
If you change your thinking, it's a flip-flop.

If you don't change, you're intransigent.

If you  say at the outset you'll consider developments, you don't have a plan.

At one level, this is the usual word game.

At another level, some campaigns have that plus some substantive thinking about here-and-now-and-what's-coming-right up.  

The McCain campaign has ONLY got the word game. It's something you could teach a parrot to do, but it's not what moves the country forward or the voters to the polls.
Boy all that time as a community Organizer in Chicago will help him with this decision.

I am not impressed that Obama was against the war when he didn’t have a vote, because every vote he did have he chose to keep funding the war and keep it going.
Translation, Big oil hasn't gotten their contracts and first checks yet...so nobody should go anywhere.

Obama had the best judgement before we invaded Iraq...I trust his judgement pulling out of Iraq.  Let's hope that by the time he makes it to office it's not Iraq and Iran.
Just a couple questions about what's happening in Iraq:

Has our increase in troops on the ground led to an improvement in the Iraqi government?
Are we even still requiring Iraqi's to have a governement of their own?
Now that oil is up for grabs in Iraq, are we going to take that over too, like we took over the governement?  

Just curious.  I'm not up on these things like the rest of America is, so if anyone can help me I would greatly appreciate it.
Is war the only topic McCain can talk about? I'd like to know if he has any ideas on rebuilding our economy, healthcare, energy and the environment. War, and how the surge is working is all that he ever speaks about.

Obama is right. Let's get out of a Iraq a war we never should have been involed in and let the Iraqi's, who according to McCain have made such great progress, take over the fight.

Enought American blood and treasure.

OK, I just read this. Did Cantor say anything relevant. Did he say anything at all other than typical political BS. Was there a point in there somewhere that I missed.
Obama needs a plan to get us out now.  End of discussion!
Claire McCaskill is a Hillary wanna be who could NEVER be Hillary.

She lacks the strength, brains, stature, poise, grace and eloquence to ever be half as impressive as Hillary.

There is no sustaining Iraq without a continued presence.

Cantor does'nt get it to say that Obama's position that stated he would withdraw troops, was not pandering to the left. Senator Obama would be acting on an opinion he has long held, as well as, respond to the wishes of over 80% of the country.

The left has never been as large as 80% of America

I've heard the media "squak" for days about how improvements in Iraq will hurt Obama.  First. All Americans want to see improvements in Iraq!  We want to see American men and women come home in victory! Victory has not been defined by Bush, McBush, the Pentagon. No one is saying the criteria for victory!  What is unfinished is the work in Afganistan. Finding Osama Bin Laden.  Removing the Taliban. My take is that Obama sees Afganistan as a bigger issue than Iraq.  We should have never preemptively struck Iraq.  They had no weapons of mass distruction, they were not the participants of 9/11. Bush pivoted from Afganistan to Iraq to kill Saddam.  History will show Bush to be so very, very wrong.  

Obama may shift slightly to better reflect what is happening today. That is not flip-flopping, but reassessing any changes that are taking place in Iraq.  
McClain is sure using the war on Iraq in his attack on Obama.

I don't see what the GOP have done right in the war on Iraq.  This seem kinda of weird for him to using Iraq as a weapon against Obama!!


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Whatever. They are falsely trying to imply that his stance has been to unconditionally remove troops, it hasn't.

He has consistently said that he would require a redeployment to the commanders, and would adjust the rate as needed based on the state of the forces on the ground.

Proof of this comes from the Tim Russert debate question where he said that should Al-Qaeda bases reform in Iraq, the US would respond quickly.

McCain's response was swift but innaccurate: "Al Qaeda is in Iraq. Its called Al Qaeda in Iraq. My friends, if we left, they wouldnt be establishing a base. Theyd be taking a country, and Im not going to allow that to happen."
If it's going so well why don't we bring our troops home?  They can't be in to serve as armed guards for the oil profiteers could they?  Even if only one more American dies over there, that is one too many.  These neocons use our troops like gamepieces and then hide behind the false flag of patriotism and a general that is only carrying out Mr. Bush's orders.  Remember the Commander-in-Chief dictates the orders and the generals are to execute.  I know that our cowardly press has fooled many into believing the opposite but it is not so.  People need to wise up and understand that it will never be the right time to bring our troops home if we keep following these chickenhawks, traitors, and profiteers.  These false patriots didn't even support the GI Bill but will be the first ones this weekend to use our troops as a prop to further continue the debacle in Iraq.  This war has been about oil from the very beginning and no spin will change that fact.  Now our military is being held hostage by Big Oil and Iraqi militias.  If Al-Sadr calls off the ceasefire, then casualties will skyrocket.  If enough stability isn't present for the oil companies to finish signing no-bid contracts and plundering Iraq's resources then we will have another "surge".  Bring our troops home now!
McCain sounds like an idiot, if he's still worried about al Qaeda in Iraq, especially after he already got beaten up over his previous ignorance of stating repeatedly that Iran was assisting al Qaeda and if we pulled out al Qaeda would take over.

This is a guy who doesn't seem to learn from his mistakes.

If we pull out, any remaining al Qaeda members die at the hands of Shi'ites, assuming non-alligned Sunnis don't get to them first.

Our problem with a pull-out is that it creates a power vacuum and increased instability. It opens the door for Iran to exert more influence. And it also opens the door to a more brutal consolidation of Shi'ite power than might happen otherwise with a long "100 year" occupation.

McCain's insistence on tying al Qaeda in with all this basically reflects an inability to learn very simple points, or a wilfull ignorance designed to play the fear card.
Today, eleven months after Barack Obama called for more troops in Afghanistan, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff supported that position while pointing out once again that the war in Iraq is shortchanging our effort in Afghanistan.
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Boo-yah.

http://thepajamapundit.com/
If the Bush administration hadn’t been so greedy for the oil, and tearing up the country of Iraq to rebuild for their war profiteers to rebuild, Al-Qaeda wouldn’t’ be there in Iraq.

Steve Schmidt only means Duel Personality McCain’s other personality is surfacing again closer to the Bush/ Cheney/Rove agenda. Steve Schmidt is also a political insider for the very people McCain wants to distance himself from-- Bush/ Cheney and the fat, slimy Karl Rove. Great keep up your whimsical service to America with your thuggish, fraudulent, cronies and murderous war mongers.
Go Obama.
Is war the only topic McCain can talk about? I'd like to know if he has any ideas on rebuilding our economy, healthcare, energy and the environment. War, and how the surge is working is all that he ever speaks about.
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You're right, he should be talking about important things like funneling $500M to churches for their faith-based initiatives.  Our tax dollars going to Reverend Wright does a lot to ease my pain at the pump!  McCain rolled out a great energy plan last week, but the media is so besotted with The Savior that he gets zero press on it.  
Obama is not a flip-flopper, and he won't be shown to be one! But, he's also not really the first black president, says 23/6.com

http://www.236.com/news/2008/07/02/is_barack_obama_really_the_bes_7289.php
It is clear that the arrogant Mr. Cantor will have to change his "ideology".  Senator Obama knows that he has a mandate from his supporters to END this war!  No more excuses, no more China loans and no more war! Period!

Obama 08
4100+ Americans killed in a war that should never have been waged.  Barack Obama will end this Bush fiasco in a responsible way.  John McCain has no credibility and is completely unqualified for the presidency.  He hasn't the intellect, temperment, or health to be able to perform the job in the best interest of all Americans.  
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Immediate or hasty withdrawal will kill millions and flip the balance of power in the Middle East. Period.

Here's the scoop on Iraq:

It was wrong to go in in a hurry.
It will be far worse to leave in a hurry.

Opposed or in favor of the Iraq War, there will be the Killing Fields of Vietnam all over again if we leave as soon as Obama wants us to.
Hey "Lorenzo" Talk about bonehead, your logic is about the epitome of your own statement. Ya'll have conducted this "brilliant" war in Iraq so well that for the second month in a row we have lost more good men and women (true heroes unlike you and your neocon cronies) in Afghanistan then since the war began, and more than in Iraq. Looks like Iran will be next. How come you're sitting on your comfortable duff coming up with these "ingeneous" ideologies then going down to the nearest recruiter and putting your life where your mouth is. Once again, another republi-clone!
Obama needs a plan to get us out now.  End of discussion!
Marty In KC (Sent Wednesday, July 02, 2008 1:45 PM)

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Perhaps you missed the part where Obama stated he will order a troop reduction that will get all our service people home in 16 months or so.  "As careful getting out as we were reckless getting in"  It was in all the papers.
Obama has NEVER said that his plan will go forth without regard to our troops safety or without advise from the commanders on the ground. He has NEVER said that. He has said, more times than I can count, that we have to be as careful getting out as we were careless getting in. Meaning that, while he has a set goal on how many brigades he wants to withdraw per month, he is also aware that circumstances may require that rate to be modified. That has ALWAYS been his position.

The McCain campaign is just pathetic - every day they try to manufacture some controversy out of absolutely nothing.
Today, the government announces the biggest job loss in 6 years and McCain thinks Iraq is the top story.

Sorry Senator McCain, most Americans have to work to put food on the table.

We don't have spouses worth $100 million dollars.
We can't afford to charge $500,000 a month on a credit card like you and Cindy do.
We can't afford 9 houses, let alone 9 mansions like you have.

We need decent paying jobs and what do you do?  You go to Colombia to negotiate another trade deal that will send more of our jobs to third world countries.
Sen. Obama isn't for war funding but troop funding as is seeing that our brave servicemen and women aren't left dangling while in Iraq without their basic needs of survivial being met. That is not the same as shouting "yea ha!" or "bomb, bomb, bomb" another country with a wink and a smile.

And I resent the fact that Iraq's government continues to be held less accountable for their country's economic turnaround as they sit on their money but freely use that provided by our government along with the blood, sweat tears of our soldiers and families, while Bin Laden continues to hang out in a cave in Afghanistan laughing at us all and continuing to plot our downfall without any real threat of capture.
It's very clear that McCain and the Republicans want to continue Bush's War in Iraq for years to come.  They have no plan whatsoever to end this disastrous fiasco.  They prattle on and on about "victory" "winning the war on terror', whatever - but have no plan to exit Iraq, ever.  McCain fully supports GW Bush and a McCain administration will be nothing more than a continuation of massive deficit spending, war and more war.  He has no understanding of economics nor of the cost of war both in monetary and human terms.  He wants to continue tax cuts for the wealthy (which he was opposed to until GW called him in for a chummy chat) while war spending approaches a trillion dollars.  McCain is no maverick.  He's a go-along guy.  Whatever Bush wants, McCain is more than happy to support.  His voting record since declaring for the Presidency speaks for itself.  He's another Bush dressed up in a different suit and a lot older.


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