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Obama: Are you listening to me?

Posted: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 9:10 AM by Mark Murray

At a town hall in Georgia yesterday, "Obama addressed what he called ‘this whole notion that I am shifting to the center, or that I am flip-flopping,’ with a firm denial that he has tilted his emphasis away from swiftly bringing the war to an end. ‘Don't be confused: I am going to bring the Iraq war to a close when I am president of the United States of America," Obama said.’

"The remarks came as both candidates scrambled to clarify their visions for Iraq in the face of changing events on the ground. Sen. John McCain, who has repeatedly derided calls for a timetable for withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq, suddenly found himself confronted with the American-backed Iraqi leadership raising the prospect of exactly that. For the first time, Iraqi President Nouri al-Maliki said Monday in a statement that the two countries should consider deciding the future of U.S. troops with "a memorandum of understanding to put a timetable on their withdrawal."

The New York Times has more from Obama: “‘Look, let me talk about the broader issue, this whole notion that I am shifting to the center,’ he [said]. ‘The people who say this apparently haven’t been listening to me.’”

It looks like a bunch of Clinton donors still want to tell reporters about their unhappiness with Obama. And now Obama donors apparently don't want to help either. The New York Times: “As Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton prepare for their first joint fund-raisers to benefit the Obama campaign, in New York City on Wednesday and Thursday, their two camps are straining under the weight of continued resentments, recriminations and feelings that remain raw since the long primary battle. Mr. Obama has asked his top donors to help raise money for her debt, and so far they have come up with less than $100,000 (though more in pledges), Clinton campaign officials said — a ‘paltry sum,’ in the words of one.”

More: “While no other presidential candidate has ever amassed so much personal and campaign debt en route to losing the nomination as has Mrs. Clinton, both Clinton and Obama donors say the larger problem for Democrats is that if the Obama camp is seen as unhelpful, Mrs. Clinton, her husband and their supporters could prove something less than a force for unity.”

More Clinton-Obama news: “Aides to Barack Obama and Clinton remain in negotiations about whether the New York senator, who narrowly lost in the primary marathon, should be paid homage by letting delegates she won vote for her before switching to the winner. ‘It would be wrong,’ said former New York State Democratic Chairman Herman (Denny) Farrell, a superdelegate who strongly supported Clinton's candidacy. ‘There should not be a roll call ... they should unify.’”

Does Obama need one more vacation before the fall? The Los Angeles Times notes he seems weary. “Watching him on the trail in recent days … it often appears as if the unrelenting attention and prolonged campaigning are getting wearisome. He told a customer at an Indiana diner two months ago that he had lost 7 or 8 pounds. He said he was learning to get by on four-to-five hours' sleep.”

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Obama deserves a vacation after the pounding that he has taken from both the Clintons and the right-wingers.

He should get some rest because this barbeque is going to get really hot, really fast.

http://thepajamapundit.com/
Obama should be weary but he's not complaining, nor is he taking every weekend off like tired Mr. McCain.
After the 'Typical White People' rant, the 'Clinging to their guns' cartoonish speech, now Obama is calling people confused.

One thing this country does not need is a pompous a** like Obama trying to run it.
The only confused person I see is Obama. He appears to have lost his bearings.
The "reporting" over the weekend about Obama's purported flip-flops bordered on professional malpractice.  Why is it that supposedly professional journalists know LESS about what Obama has, and has not, said than thousands of citizens who pay attention only part-time?  It's really disgusting that these "journalists" (yes, they deserve quotes) are more interested in crafting story lines that will sell than reporting the facts.
Well if Obama is going to close out the war in Iraq, then he'd better hurry. Not much left to do but to schedule the victory party.
Are these Clinton camp comments serious?   You've got to be kidding me.  That SOME in her camp are whining about Obama supporters not doing more to pay off HER debt (the debt she ran up being TOTALLY irresponsible) is a complete joke.  GROW UP.
We thought about giving some money to Hillary's debt, but...

We wondered where her 18 million supporters are.  Or are they mostly the type who our right-wing critics say want the government to do something for them, or, in short, for someone else to pay?

We may still chip in. I hated the substance of her campaign, but I sure was impressed by her persistence.
Barack, we are listening to you. We're just waiting for you to say something that might perhaps matter.
Does anyone know what the June fundraising amounts are for both nominees?
So much for a new kind of politics to change Washington. He is as I always supected...just another politician, willing to do whatever it takes to win...seems like the last candidate to talk abut changing Washington (ummm...W), royally screwed us.

Let's have Hillary back.
MSNBC has contributed (Thanks to Pat Buchannan and Joe Scarbrough) for distorting the facts that Obama has flip-plopped on Irag. MSNBC analyst should be on target...occasionally. But these two are party hacks and not analysts.    REFINING and CLARIFYING is not flip-flopping.  Rachael Maddow in Countdown put that issue to rest, but evidently First Read (Chuck Todd) is trying to keep it alive one more news cycle. Enough said.

In the interests of fairness, credit goes to Chris Matthews for highlighting the point that Iraq wants US soldiers to leave, or give a time table.  It would be nice if First Read would talk about McOld "refining and clarifying" his position regarding Iraq wanting us to leave.  

The big story of the day is Iran shooting off 9 missles.  I'm afraid Bush has delusions of being the "end times" President.  It's a story that supercedes even politics.
Obama may say he is not shifting to the center, or flip flopping;  But what about his flipping on abortion?  What he said before he got the Nom. & what he says now is different.  What next will he say?  Marriage rights are preserved for only a man and a woman?
Obama is not the type to fly over a drowned American City and call that leadership. He addresses people's concerns quickly and to the point. I am SO ready for a new kind of leader. Yes, Obama!
Re paying off the Clinton debt...

In 1988, Dukakis had to pay off J. Jackon's 2 million dollar debt and buy him a plane to get him out of the race.

Paying off debt is not all that unusual.

Considering what we have now seen of him...it is clear why Hillary stayed in...she obviously knew what we were in for.

As a New Yorker...whether or not I vote for him is mute... none the less while I won't vote for McCain, I won't for this phony either.
After all the lies and innuendo that Clinton uttered against Obama, I'm not donating any money to her.  Where are her 18 million voters?  Discounting the "Operation Chaos" dittoheads, there should still be 17.5 million voters -- they can't all be maxed out!  At $5 per voter, she could retire her debt and retire, period.  
I'm not listening to Obama.  I don't want to hear another word from him.  I know enough about him to know that he would not be good for America.

These are troubling times in the world and we sure don't need a rookie trying to deal with the difficult situations all around the world and at home.
WHERE IS THE EXPLANATION ON OBAMA'S FLIP-FLOP ON THE LEGISLATION TO PROTECT BUSH FROM PROSECUTION FOR MULTIPLE FELONIES AND THE TELECOMS FROM CIVIL ACTIONS IN THE ILLEGAL TELECOM SURVEILLANCE DONE OVER THE PAST 7 YEARS?
The right has been spinning the tired old flip-flop line, and the lazy media chew on it for a few days.  Same with this "shift to the center for the general" story. It is expected, so the media simply interpret events in that way without doing the hard work.  Dig deeper and you find that Barack Obama has never been easy to pigeon-hole.  He holds nuanced opinions on many issues because the truth itself is nuanced. Life is complicated! My plea to the media: Don't buy the spin, do the reporting yourself.  
I totally agree with J Ferguson...

What happened to her 18 million voters?  A buck a piece would pay off all debts other than her own loan.  Or perhaps 10 million of those votes were Repubs trying to stir the pot?  

I was on her 'team' until she turned to the politics of 'personal destruction'...  That just said 'old, dirty tricks' to my family.  

That's when we read the Obama books.  I encourage anyone who has any doubts, check them out from your local library.

We NEED this leader - we have lost our standing in the world, thanks to the bancrupt leadership in Washington.  He doesn't need us, but we sure need him.
At a town hall in Georgia yesterday, "Obama addressed what he called ‘this whole notion that I am shifting to the center, or that I am flip-flopping,’
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Like the rest of the corporate media (except Rachel Maddow on Countdown), you are being dishonest about the exchange that occurred. Obama wasn't just defending himself yet again from the bogus "flip-flop" charge, he was addressing a voter who was angry at the way the media had misrepresented Obama's original comments on "refining" his positions as conditions warranted.

Last night, CNN also distorted this story and suggested that since voters were still raising the "flip-flopping" question showed that it was still a "problem" for Obama. Obama's real problem is the corporate media.

One of the most important stories coming out of this campaign is that people are increasingly angered by the media's deceitful coverage of Obama, although that's not a story that you'll find out about from the corporate media.

Pravda never reported that Soviet citizens thought Pravda was a joke, either.
Obama may say he is not shifting to the center, or flip flopping;  But what about his flipping on abortion?  What he said before he got the Nom. & what he says now is different.  What next will he say?  Marriage rights are preserved for only a man and a woman?
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ge  obama has already said that marriage is between a man and a woman, and does not support gay marriage. He and McCain both support Civil Unions.
I wouldn't give the Clinton campaign one red cent.  Hillary decided to keep going in Feb. even when she was broke and kept spending money like crazy.  She left her vendors unpaid for months so much for caring about the average white voter.  Please, I'd tell her you spent it tough luck.  What all of a sudden people who didn't support her, because of her lack of morals, are all of a sudden supposed to help her.  There ain't no way.  Her campaign and people associated with her campaign started many of the rumors on the internet, and she tried to denegrate Obama at every chance she got.  She's a multimillionare, she can pay it.  
Nobody with any common sense, patriotism, or fidelity to this country is listening (or for that matter...should listen) to Barack HUSEIN Obama.
Sen. John McCain, who has repeatedly derided calls for a timetable for withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq, suddenly found himself confronted with the American-backed Iraqi leadership raising the prospect of exactly that.
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You "forgot" to mention that four years ago, McCain said that if the Iraqis asked us to leave, we should. In other words, McCain was flip-flopping, although that's not the "narrative" that FR is peddling.

McCain also was demonstrating that all the talk about bringing "democracy" to Iraq was a big lie. If the democratically elected government of our Iraqi colony tells us how they want to run their country, McBush will just ignore it and run Iraq the way they want to: into the ground.
The Clinton Supporters are still here. We won't send in any money  because we don't want osama to get it. We're still waiting for something to happen and Hillary take her rightful place.
FYI  Large numbers of us are voting for McCain as long as obama is the nominee !
Don't except him to win in NOV. We working to see that doesn't happen, even if that means campaigning for McCain. Another thing since I've started backing McCain keep in mind he almost changed from rep to dem, and that Kerry asked him to be his VP, and he ISN'T that idiot in the WH now !
Obama is not the type to fly over a drowned American City and call that leadership.

Amy B Portland, ME

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Leadership is not declining an early release and staying in a Hanoi prison camp to help your fellow American prisoners get through a very tramatic time. Leadership is not serving your county and being spit upon on your return. Leadership is not being selfless while many others were being selfish.

Leadership is being a community organizer!
Reading these posts today and in the last few weeks, I am mystified by seeming progressives who have any doubt about who would be better for them and for America and for the world, Obama or McCain. I am stunned that any former Clinton supporter would consider McCain over Obama. Clinton and Obama are vastly closer than Clinton and McCain.  McCain may have been an independent "maverick" once, but now he represents a continuation of domestic policies that have made the rich richer at the expense of everyone else, and foreign policies that have caused the unnecessary death and maiming of tens of thousands of people, military and civilian, all the while squandering vast amounts of our money.  Money that could pay for health care, infrastructure, fighting world hunger and genocide - whatever your progressive priorities.  Put your quibbles over this issue or that aside.  Don't Naderize this election.  Help elect Barack Obama, and we'll squabble over the details once he is President.
Don't let te Clintons extort your money, Obama.  Extortion is still illegal.  When Al-Maliki starts talking timetables, it's Bush's and Mini-way-older-Bush's time to shut up and listen to the government whose autonomy we supposedly support.  Obama's statement that the troops'll be out during his presidency means...what?  In four years? He needs to stick with his earlier timeline.
right wing swiftboaters twisting and turning the TRUTH to suit their on nefarious needs, nice try but it wont work, America is too smart for the rethugnutz slimmey tactics to work a third time.
 Some people will always hear what they want to hear... facts be damned. For example, several people here claim that Obama is calling people confused. He said "Don't be confused. I am going to bring the war to a close" He didn't call anyone anything. The MSM and others claim that he has changed his position. He has consistently stated that he would draw down 1-2 brigades a month in consultation with the commanders on the ground and that the process should take around 16 months. He recently added that after visiting the commanders in person, he might refine the strategy. For all we know, that could mean 2-3 brigades a month instead of 1-2. If the commanders point to some areas where the withdrawal can proceed faster, so be it. Or slower, so be it, but the Iraqis are asking for a timetable and as a sovereign nation they are within their rights to ask us (the guests) to leave. Only McCain is saying that he knows what's best for the Iraqis and that we will stay for a "very, very, very long time".  
Please do not loose sight of the fact that the FLIP-FLOP concept is an old  Republican line that they have been using for years.

It seems that a lot of you and the media are being sucked up in this Republican slur.

Obama is clarifying a lot of his ideas and if you do the research and read and investigate the facts it all adds up. He deals with each issue on its merits and acts accordingly. He weighs the pros and cons and looks at the BIG picture. For instance: The Supreme Court decision on gun control. I have heard words like APPLAUD, EMBRACE being used by the media concerning Barack's acceptance of the decision. He ACCEPTED the Supreme court's decision. That is only common sense. It is better to move forward to offer solutions than to bitch and moan over something that is caste in stone.

Since you are just getting to know Obama it will be easier to understand his mind-set.

I know that after dealing with the Bush administration for the last 8 years we have all stopped thinking and caring.


yeah i saw that townhall and it was rather exciting for a townhall meeting.  and hes write if you pay attention to what he said before and earlier in the campaign then he hasn't flip flopped and the media should be doing a better job at vetting these charges against Obama and not just believing whatever the McCain campaign tells them.

Watch McCain talk about crocs and he actually giggles
http://sensico.wordpress.com/2008/07/07/the-result-of-mccains-campaign-re-toolingcrocs-and-giggles/
or http://sensico2.blogspot.com/2008/07/my-blogs.html


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