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Dems paint McCain as Bush on economy

Posted: Friday, July 11, 2008 4:31 PM by Domenico Montanaro
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From NBC’s Katie Mulhall
The DNC sought to end the week by portraying it a clear loss for McCain, calling his week on the economy a “disaster for his campaign” and even comparing it to one of the first President Bush’s worst economic moments, saying, “This may go down as John McCain’s ‘scanner’ moment.”
 

VIDEO: NBC's Kelly O'Donnell is on the campaign trail with John McCain, as the Republican presidential candidate focuses on women issues and the economy.

On a conference call today, Sen. Debbie Stabenow (D-MI) hit McCain on his recent comments on Social Security and on ex-Sen. Phil Gramm’s comments on the economy. McCain’s use of the word “disgrace” to describe aspects of Social Security, she said, demonstrated “a total lack of understanding of what Social Security is, that it’s an economic insurance policy.”

This combined with Gramm’s recent comments showed McCain “is totally out of touch” on the economy, she claimed. People in places like Michigan “are not hallucinating when they lose their jobs…when they can’t pay the mortgage…this is not psychological,” said Stabenow.
 
The senator also attacked McCain for missing a vote on Medicare on Tuesday, and said that his positions on Medicare and Social Security were no different than those of President Bush.

“When I close my eyes, I just hear George Bush: privatization…it’s just more of the same,” Stabenow said.

She also contended that McCain had been largely absent from Senate work to help the automotive industry, adding that his proposal for a prize for the development of a new car battery, ”We don’t want to treat the auto industry and the economy like a ‘game show.’"
 
Also on the call was a single mother and small business owner from Michigan, Niccole Blocker, who was apparently incensed by Gramm’s comments. She said that as a middle-class woman, “for Phil Gramm to insult us, to stand like he is above us, that we are imagining that this is some kind of ‘mental recession,’ enraged us…. He has no idea that people are just trying to eat and feed their families.”

Of McCain, she thought that he acted “above us,” and that the state of the economy had her “just up in arms. I just don’t know what to say; I’m disgusted.”

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Reps paint Obama as Carter on most everything.
Good job old men. You served up your defeat on a silver platter - country of whiners. Nice one.
Yeah, McFossil hasn't had a very good week; didn't we say that LAST week, too? Seems to be adding them up, isn't he? No wonder he can't keep on message.....it changes everyday and he's so feeble he can't remember which message he's suppose to spout out for the reporters who "love him".
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Thanks Donna! I, too, look forward to getting the REAL news from fellow bloggers each day, but it gets discouraging when the people being paid to report, don't. I just can't agree with you on Buchannen, though. Don't see the "charm" in that man at all and i also think he's a racist.
Republicans should put a video together of Mr. Baracks Neighborhood. Guests will include Rev Wright ranting his racist preachings, Rev. Jackson showing us his talents with a knife, William Ayers demonstrating his abilities to terrorize the US goverment, and Tony Rezco (with stripped pants and shirt) helping Brack fill out a loan application. Should be a good show.
Barack, please explain how raising taxes improves the economy?
All you McCain supporters, just admit it, this was not the best week for you guys on the subject of the economy. For that matter it was not a good week on energy, the war, healthcare, womens rights and everything else that the voting public cares about.

Better luck next week.

We're not a country of whiners. Most of us are Republicans. Only the Democrats are whiners.
Finally, an accurate description of the McCain candidacy!  This aging, apathetic, uninspiring, absent-Senator is not the leader for America.  

Let's stop electing college failures like Bush and McSame.  His knowledge of economics comes directly from Gramm. There is NO difference, despite McLame's protestations.

We need an intelligent, principled, dynamic candidate like Barack Obama for our next President.  He is capable of leading the fight for economic justice, universal healthcare, and national security. His nominations for Supreme Court vacancies will stop the lunatic slide to the reactionary right.

Obama/Kaine '08 (I'll settle for Obama/Hagel as well)
McCain was caught on video squirming and wriggling in his chair trying to get away from a question on his voting record on health insurance for birth control. He babbled and equivocated over his deplorable Senate record on veterans' benefits when challenged by a Vietnam vet in a town-hall meeting. He made a despicable joke about killing Iranians. And finally, his top economic adviser accused America of being a "nation of whiners."

If all that had happened to Obama rather than McCain, it wouldn't just be the Republicans calling it a total disaster; the corporate media would be doing it for them, and probably for weeks on end.
McCain had a very, very bad week if you were watching from the land called reality. The Sunday morning media pundits, however, are sure to have encouraging words for McCain, they always do. I'll be here on Monday to complain all about it.
McCain has had major blunders this week but don't let anybody tell that SS can survive in current form.  It's going to run out around 2017 when the money going out is more than the taxes coming in.  There is no interest that will keep it going to 2041 because the interest is paid by the government (taxes).  Any increase now is not the solution as the increase in revenue will be used to pay for current expenditures - no lockbox.  Benefits will be cut as taxes cannot pay for this and medicare.  Sad to say we'll all be working longer because we're living longer and having fewer children.  Nobodies fault just a fact of life.
Tally - and we the DNC should put together an add showing all of McCain's buddies - you know, those guys from the Keeting 5?  And what about that land deal with the forestry and parks dept?  Let's not forget his first wife while we are at it. and rush, and well -you get the idea.  people who live in glass houses should not sling ----!
I did not start out as a big Obama supporter, but after the statements yesterday regarding the economy and women - Oh, yes I can support & vote for Obama, and Oh, Yes I will!
By the way - it never hurts my feelings when taxes are raised on the mega wealthy - those folks never share and could care less if the rest of us live or die as long as someone is there to clean their house and mow their lawn.
Republicans should put a video together of Mr. Baracks Neighborhood. Guests will include Rev Wright ranting his racist preachings, Rev. Jackson showing us his talents with a knife, William Ayers demonstrating his abilities to terrorize the US goverment, and Tony Rezco (with stripped pants and shirt) helping Brack fill out a loan application. Should be a good show.
Tally Wagger (Sent Friday, July 11, 2008 4:41 PM)

If this is all that comes out against Obama, this Republican will definitely be voting for him.  Sorry tally, that did not work for Mrs. C, it sure ain't gonna work for Mr. McC.
Talley Wagner     the only thing missing is the slum in his district that he helped with and that never got made livable while poor blacks live in hovel blocks away from his mansion. He never pressured Rezko and his other development friends to fix these buildings that people call home and still he has the nerve to preach to others about family. How when these issues arent discussed does he have the nerve. Fix your slums bring jobs to your own district. is this how he helped the hood?? And now our country for his own glory.  Nope ,no way, nadda dont think so Obama . If you cannt help your own people how can you arrogantly tell us your the best for us. You have been to much of a hurry to help anyone. Now if God forbid you got this it would be the world.
Why hasn't the press given any attention to the International Red Cross report on torture of US held detainees.

It is now official, we have become a nation that not only condones the torture of detainees to extract confessions, we practice it. Coerced confessions, obtained by torturing detainees, will be used in U.S. military tribunals to be held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba (GITMO).

Did you know that Red Cross investigators concluded last year in a secret report that the Central Intelligence Agency’s interrogation methods for high-level Qaeda prisoners constituted torture and could make the Bush administration officials who approved them guilty of war crimes?

The International Committee of the Red Cross declared in the report, given to the C.I.A. last year, that the methods used on Abu Zubaydah, the first major Qaeda figure the United States captured, were “categorically” torture, which is illegal under both American and international law.

We know that similar techniques including water boarding and electric shock were used on other GITMO detainees. We know men were held at GITMO without the right of habeas corpus, some for over 5 years. Since the Supreme Court ruling declaring that these detainees have the right to know why they are being held, at least 5 detainees have been released, no trial. Held captive for 5 years without explanation and released without explanation. These men were, in effect, held hostage.

We are outraged when extremists groups like FARC hold people hostage for years but are not outraged when our government practices the identical policy.

During the Viet Nam and the First Persian Gulf War, when our men were being systematically tortured to obtain war crime confessions we called these nations uncivilized, brutal and demanded that the world treat their activities as violations of international law regarding the treatment of prisoners of war. Under current U.S. policy, those coerced confessions made by U.S. POW’s would be legal. John McCain would be a war criminal, having confessed to bombing civilian targets.

It has been established that the type of torture to be allowed was discussed and approved by the White House. It has been claimed that both the President and Vice-President signed off on the torture. Imagine Presidential discussions on the torture methods to be employed. We also know the members of the FBI requested that they be removed form the interrogation process as they did not want to be involved in an unlawful act. The CIA had no such reservations.

In order to circumvent the laws of the U.S., we have allowed prisoners to be sent to other, less civilized, countries for “questioning”. The methods of torture we employed were not severe enough. We needed more painful, violent methods used to extract information and confessions. Please tell me again how any of this is legal?

President Bush has established an imperial Presidency. He feels he is above the law. To our shame, this Congress has either granted him immunity for his criminal acts or just simply chosen to ignore them. At a minimum these allegations should be investigated and if a prima fascia case can be made, we should prosecute these individuals to the fullest extent of the law. The President is a citizen and his elected position does not place him above the Rule of Law, a lesson we learned from the administration of Richard Nixon.

We, collectively, have allowed lies and fear-mongering to cloud our judgment. The rule of law need not always be our guide, only when it’s convenient. We have seen this before in the 1930’s and 40’s. Bypass some laws for the good of the state. Take away individual rights for the good of the state. Imprison people for the good of the state. Murder people for the good of the state. Abrogate our rights and liberties for the good of the state.

Bring the criminals who authorized these atrocities to trial for the good of the state.
This combined with Gramm’s recent comments showed McCain “is totally out of touch” on the economy, she claimed. People in places like Michigan “are not hallucinating when they lose their jobs…when they can’t pay the mortgage…this is not psychological,” said Stabenow..............

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Hallucincating!!!!

Gramms 'mental', and McCain's 'psychological' gaffes are going to inspire 'a thousand points of laughter', to mock the repubs this summer.
Need to Know. He would lower taxes on 95% of the population. The raised taxes would be to the same levels they were during the Clinton years. This gives the government more money to pay for things vs borrowing like we do now.

Would you like to know why offshore drilling won't change gas prices?
they should paint mccain as phil grahmm on the economy

mccain lies about voting record on veterans issues
http://sensico.wordpress.com/2008/07/10/mccain-lies-about-his-voting-record-for-veterans/
or

http://sensico2.blogspot.com/2008/07/my-blogs.html
Tally Wagger-

Your plucked-from-idiotic-email rant offered no conclusion based on your thoughtful-ha! analysis of the facts.  Are you saying that all of these people would be advising President-elect Obama on running the nation?  Nope, not happening.  Are you saying that these Obama is somehow indebted to all of these people for being elected President?  Nope, that's wrong, too.  So then, WHAT EXACTLY ARE YOU SAYING?  

Let me guess, you haven't thought that far ahead, yet.  It wouldn't surprise me.  Talking point regurgitation doesn't require too much actual thinking.  
Nothing here folk's, it's all in your Head!! Get along now, nothing to see.

You Dumbass Republican's will have no one else to blame when your party of Abortion & gay marriage Unmoral majority is thrown under the bus & Trampled on for a few Generation's.

As for J. merle the socalled Vet who no one would want to be in a Foxhole with, keep up your racist bigitry. You're about a Real Democrat as Dirk in georgia oe Boobi in Yew Claire. You think new York was the only place that suffered thru 911. I have news for ya, my sister was in the Pentagon when the plane came flying in. Luckily for Our family, she was on the otherside.

A Real Vet would'nt hide behind the several moniker's you've tried to hide behind.

I'm still astounded that 1st Read let's Any of your Gutter post come thru.

As for all you other's who help on here with fighting for Our America, Thank You, Thank you, Thank You.

End this War in the sandbox Now!!!

Keepem coming C. A. in Tuskaloosa, we'll be here taking the fight to all those that Oppose a Better America.

Delusional thinking By Common Sense American's Is Over!!!
Republicans should put a video together of Mr. Baracks Neighborhood. Guests will include Rev Wright ranting his racist preachings, Rev. Jackson showing us his talents with a knife, William Ayers demonstrating his abilities to terrorize the US goverment, and Tony Rezco (with stripped pants and shirt) helping Brack fill out a loan application. Should be a good show.
Tally Wagger (Sent Friday, July 11, 2008 4:41 PM)

For your info sir, Obama's neighborhood is my neighborhood all my life and we don't breed extremist and certainly don't tolerate the likes of losers like you who is too much of a coward to make a meaningful comment without using his or her real name! Keep my "hood" out of your mouth. Hyde park forever!
Barack, please explain how raising taxes improves the economy?
Need To Know (Sent Friday, July 11, 2008 4:45 PM)

Let me guess, you think he will be raising taxes on those making less than 150k, when in fact, those taxes will be lowered.  And he won't be raising taxes on the rest, merely not extending Bush's tax cuts.  This is the same tactic the dems pulled on the Repubs in the 90's with school lunches.  Repubs wanted the program to increase, just not as much as the dems who then said the repubs wanted to starve our children...STOP PLAYIN GAMES!!!
Obama is at the Senate doing his job? He couldnt be at Black State of Union to busy champaining and also to busy to have a single meeting with Nato and Afghan helping countries for the seat he holds. Guess that was to just look good. He says he's to busy now don't ya know. Over half his own states people dont support Obama cording to polls.He is not on track to win this largest job . Even Chicago politics wont help him this time. Maybe he wont be nom. Hillary is on roll call he is trying to stop but I dont hink he can.Raus. poll just now says Obama ahead of McCain by 1% OMG  Repub again if you sd's keep Obama. Better call your people Hillary only chance.
Tally Wagger, that is all you guys have. Fragile associations because your candidate is terrible and on the issues, loses. If you have not noticed, those tactics and guilt by association rants DON"T WORK. It's a new year and the McBushites need to use some substance on ISSUES, not scare tactics. It's not working.
Need TO KNOW, raising taxes? This line is not working either. Obama will end the Bush tax cuts, which means yes, taxes will be raised on those making over 250,000. Not on 95% of the country making less than. Report the facts in context, not just blanket lies that you hope the uneducated fall for, again..
Obama is 3rd Bush term. He has said he agreed with Bush's handeling of war. Oh wait that was a bit ago think now he doesnt but maybe he will decide later.He voted for bush on FISA. He goes along with the gun  issue and he will fix NAFTA oh wait dont tell Canada that  they figure just political speech remember?? Well he will learn as he goes like Bush. His wife sent Laura a thank you note. They are just to cozy. Lets take another look.
Barack, please explain how raising taxes improves the economy?
Need To Know (Sent Friday, July 11, 2008 4:45 PM)

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Obama wants to let the Bush tax cuts expire.  Yes, that would raise taxes.  It would raise taxes on people making over $250,000 a year.

The economy is improved because these rich folks are now paying their fair share.

Unless you are one of them, I wouldn't worry!
Barack, please explain how raising taxes improves the economy?
Need To Know
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If you need to know, go look it up.  He has already explained it several times and it is on his website.  If you are too lazy or scared to do a little legwork, then I feel sorry for you.  You want to make an informed decision.  Then get off your duff and get informed.
My question is HOW  is McCain different from Bush on the economy? Isnt that the type of analysis we expect from...I dunno, the media?
Barack, please explain how raising taxes improves the economy?
Need To Know (Sent Friday, July 11, 2008 4:45 PM)

By lessening the need to borrow from the Chinese (and others) to finance our war for oil in Iraq, which provides windfall profits beyond belief to American oil companies, for starters.
Republicans should put a video together of Mr. Baracks Neighborhood. Guests will include Rev Wright ranting his racist preachings, Rev. Jackson showing us his talents with a knife, William Ayers demonstrating his abilities to terrorize the US goverment, and Tony Rezco (with stripped pants and shirt) helping Brack fill out a loan application. Should be a good show.
Tally Wagger (Sent Friday, July 11, 2008 4:41 PM)
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Oh look...a repub beating a dead horse instead of focusing on issues.  Isnt that a shocker.  Perhaps if McCain wasnt such a poor candidate, his supporters would spend their time singing his praises instead of trying to vilify is opponent.  What ever happened to winning on your merits?  Ooooh...forgot, McCain doesnt have any.
Barack, please explain how raising taxes improves the economy?
Need To Know (Sent Friday, July 11, 2008 4:45 PM)
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By funneling those taxes into programs that create jobs...like construction jobs for those creating sources for renewable energy...and infrastructure...and so on and so forth.

You must fall within that whole "$250,000+" a year income or i suspect you wouldn't be asking??  Seeing that everyone else gets a continued tax cut?  If so congrats on doing so well in this bad economy, and thanks for your continued contribution to the country that helped you create your wealth!!!  Cheers!  :)
Need to Know - where have you been?  Barack is NOT raising taxes!!! That is a lie from the McCain campaign. Obama would let the tax cuts expire only  on those already making very high salaries. Obama wants to LOWER taxes on the middle class and working class.  In fact, they would receive three times more in tax credits than they would from McCain's plan.  This will help "stoke" the economy and lead to more growth.  

Get your facts straight!
Privatization is the worst idea proposed yet. People lose their entire leverage when they try to negotiate with insurance companies on their own.
My five year old paints with finger paints and even he would portray this week as a loss for McCain.  Hardly takes that much effort.  It does require you to pay attention.  "mentally" that's all I can afford to pay this week.
Diane from Illinois:

I live in a house divided.  I feel as you do about Buchanan and my husband doesn't 'see' it.  He doesn't agree with him, he just feels he is an honest spokesperson for his beliefs.  I personally think he is mired down in a 70's way of looking at everything that prevents rational discourse.  My main pet peeve is when he is on set with Rachel Maddow.  He is so contemptuous toward her that it rankles me.  PS.  Anyone else think she's done a FAB job this week?  I love her!  And I like that she delivers her irony with such humor.  It works for me.
Need To Know

Unless you make over 250k you're taxes won't go up, according to Obama's plan.  McCain's claims about Obama's plans are all lies.
Did MSNBC not know Tony Snow?
Democrats should be hammering the Republicans on the economy.  Their deregulation of the subprime mortgatge industry, the passage of the enron loophole spearheaded by Phil Graham and supported by John McCain are just two primal causes of the economic we are in.  The ill-ventured war in Iraq is sucking up 12 billion a month.  We could have had a coast to coast high speed rail system instead of the war.  Let's not forget the head in the sand energy policy of the current administration.  


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