GOPers like Pat Buchanan and Tucker Carlson have stated on MSNBC that McCain does not have any issues to run on except to attack Obama.  

Is that how a great country like USA will pick its leader who will also be the leader of the free world?  One whose only platform is to attack an opponent and not offer any solutions to problems facing real people?

Ooops

Lol

McCain's people need to get a clue. Sen Biden is no passive target. He shoots back from the hip, immediately, and on target. Plus - he knows more about foreign affairs than probably anyone in the country on either side of the political spectrum. McCain's folks need to set their tennacles elsewhere.

'...Biden's office passed along this response: "I doubt many people would be surprised to find out that Senator Biden and Obama ran against each other last year," Biden spokeswoman Elizabeth Alexander wrote...'

Exactly !!
Things are said in the heat of the primary

Biden is sounding better and better.....
But, FR says he's already ruled out the VP position:

'...including Biden. The senator from Delaware has said emphatically on numerous occasions that he is not interested in the job, but he has many advocates,...'

Obama/Biden '08
Sounds good !!

I see we are back to Obama bashing again....digging up stuff from someone who was running for president last year and wanted to get elected himself...Give it a break!  Looks like the current administration is taking a cue from Obama and focusing on Afghanistan like President should have been all along...and not have invaded Iraq!

Biden is just another Democratic hack with his nose firmly up Obama's beHind. The big thing Obama and Biden have in common is that they are both elitist snobs. If you had a choice between listening to these two nitwits talk down to you, or listen to fingernails on a chalkboard, you might even ask if you could choose death.

So in other words, Biden was criticizing Obama a year ago for coming to the right position. And McCain got to the same position when? Oh yeah, earlier this week.

With the nominating races over, Biden like the rest of us must choose between the two. Even if it weren't for party allegience, which one do we think he'd pick?

As far as using patriotism as a talking point, please keep in mind it is an old old trick. And quite an unpatriotic to do.

I think as far as foreign policy, this is where Senator Obama's message of change comes in to play. Our foreign policy needs to be refined towards peace, not war. We used to be so admired around the world following WWII. But little by little we have squandered all that.

Some people believe it all started with Winston Churchill's Iron Curtain speech a few years after WWII.

James Bovard
October 2203

"The Beirut debacles turned the U.S. role in Lebanon into a flash point in the 1984 presidential campaign. Since the evidence of US negligence and bungling was overwhelming, preemptive smears were the tactic of choice. In the vice presidential candidate debate on October 11, George H. W. Bush denounced Democratic candidate Walter Mondale and his vice presidential pick, Geraldine Ferraro: "For somebody to suggest, as our opponents have, that these men died in shame, they had better not tell the parents of those young marines." Neither Mondale nor Ferraro had said that the Marines "died in shame." Bush denounced Mondale for running a "mean-spirited campaign": "We’ve seen Walter Mondale take a human tragedy in the Middle East and try to turn it to personal political advantage."

But Mondale’s criticisms of the Reagan administration’s failures in Lebanon were less strident than Reagan’s criticisms of Jimmy Carter for the Iran hostage crisis during the 1980 presidential campaign. Reagan and Bush Sr. were able to play the ‘patriotism card’ against the Democrats. The Beirut debacles did nothing to deter Reagan’s chroniclers from canonizing him. The U.S. intervention into Beirut did nothing to stabilize or pacify the region. Now, 20 years later, the main lesson that Bush seems to draw from Beirut is the need to "be tough." Bush declared on September 7: "In the past, the terrorists have cited the examples of Beirut and Somalia, claiming that if you inflict harm on Americans, we will run from a challenge. In this, they are mistaken."

The issue is not whether the US runs from a challenge: but whether political leaders have any incentive to learn from the deaths of American soldiers. And judging from Bush’s challenge to those who are killing Americans in Iraq – "Bring ’em on!" – there is scant hope for the learning curve of the current Oval Office occupant."

that was during the primary, when you falsely attack your opponent to win and now biden agree with obama because obama was right

mccain has missed more votes in the senate then any other senator
http://sensico.wordpress.com/2008/07/11/mccain-hasnt-voted-in-the-senate-since-april-8-2008/
or http://sensico2.blogspot.com/2008/07/my-blogs.html

This is priceless!  Though I'm sure the Obamabots will have what they think is a plausible explanation.  

This little fact won't be a problem. The MSM is busy following Barack around in Europe like they were little puppies. On this news the media will go 'Dude, don't harsh my buzz'. Small potatos really.

Let's see.....comments made during a primary fight or a 95% voting record with the Bush administration.  A record from which the Senator has been unable to distance himself from.

As for primary comments...Ron Paul in more eloquent language than I can use said on many occassions that McCain did not know what he was talking about.  Romney called him a flip-flopper.  McCain said the economy was basically sound and the he supported the policies of the President.

He's still trying to run from those remarks, his legilative record and the lack of any plan to remedy any problem in America.  All I hear is what he said yesterday "We'll figure it out".

Useless thread, Joe Bidden was a presidential so of course he would criticize Obama. Why dont you post on Mitt Romney attacking John McBush before they became butt buddies

This is no big deal.  Why? They were both running for the POTUS and campaigns say things like that.  While some harbor a gudge, Senators/lawyers will disagree, then go have lunch together. Actually, these very comments are reasons why Obama will likely pick Biden.

With the foreign affairs topic covered, Obama will pivot to economics where he has a huge advantage over McCain. One of the things the media (and the GOOP)will have difficulty doing is creating a wedge between Obama and his supporters.  Obama and his team will stay focused, no drama, listen to one another, be creative.  By the way, I haven't heard from Axelrod lately. I bet he is creating more Obama ads.

The big thing Obama and Biden have in common is that they are both elitist snobs.
                        Fannie Mae Banks
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This coming from someone who supports a candidate with a beer heiress multi-millionaire wife that owns how many houses? 16? Yeah, okay.

Told You So - the McCain camp has made no pretenses about its strategy to turn the campaign into a referendum on Obama.

With evidence mounting that McCain is either forgetful or ignorant of current world affairs, I can see why.

That aside, and despite his promises to the contrary, McCain is setting out on an all negative, all the time campaign. He needs to ramp up fear among independents that this newcomer really may be too risky, and if McCain fails to do so, he loses badly.

There's precedent for it. Consider 2004, when instead of being a referendum on the incumbent, Republicans successfully turned the campaign into a question of whether Kerry had any integrity, character, etc.

However the question is whether it will work two times in a row. I'm guessing it won't, because independents may just have had their fill of that approach, at least for a while.

"Biden is just another Democratic hack with his nose firmly up Obama's beHind. The big thing Obama and Biden have in common is that they are both elitist snobs. If you had a choice between listening to these two nitwits talk down to you, or listen to fingernails on a chalkboard, you might even ask if you could choose death.
Fannie Mae Banks (Sent Thursday, July 17, 2008 1:33 PM)"

...and McCain is not an elitist because...?

That is quite good work on the oppo, First Read.  Too bad your research on John McCain has been sealed and apparently doesn't exist pre-surge (also known as the GOP restart of the Iraqi war).  I wonder if it is possible that Gov. Romney could have ever said anything "snarky" about Sen. McCain.

This was the reason Biden lost, however, he has seen the light now.

Obama/Biden 08/12

{{So in other words, Biden was criticizing Obama a year ago for coming to the right position.}}

So how do you know it's the "right" position? Right because it will work? Or right because it's what you agree with? And, is surrendering on a schedule ever the right thing to do?

We seem to be getting our fill of elitist snobs this week.

The primary campaigns' rhetorical ghosts will haunt us all, before we're through. Both contests got pretty raw. Everybody had swollen cheeks.

Here's the Obama critisism we were all waiting for on this subject.

Obama/Biden, 08  I'd rather have Biden than Hillary for VP any day of the week.  Hillary and her attacks on Obama gave the Repugnant ones way to much ammunition to use against him.  The Dems need to bring up some of the bitterness that went on between McCain and Romney during the primaries, fair is fair.

Hope everyone has voted in the veepstakes on MSNBC.  Looks like Biden is winning over Clinton.

Obama needs either Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden as a running mate in order to win the election.  I will not vote for Obama unless he chooses one of these two as his veep.  Clinton and Biden both have a lot to offer Obama's campaign, and whether his campaign will admit it or not, in my humble opinion, he cannot win without one of them.  Time will tell.

Didn't Biden and the other nutroots hero get about less than 1 pct in the primaries? I mean a neighborhood barber could more that much running against an entrenched local incumbent in a primary without doing anything. As for Biden 'standing up' to Demint like the obamabots said earlier is laughable I mean how dare ANYONE questiona liberal Democrat?

This does not have anything to with left or right. It has to do with electing someone who does not have a clue and all he does is give a speech.  I am not left or right, I just have enough common sense to see through the smoke.  It would be nice if everyone else did as well.  Would someone please tell me one thing he has done besides give speaches?

I read the sad rantings of obvious republican posts here and I think to myself;  

"Thank you Lord, for leading me to be a democrat"!

Truly

First Read,

Why don't you dig up some of the stuff that Romeny sasid about McCain - or Vice Versa?

Just asking...

I supported Biden a few months ago and feel that he would make a great vice presidential candidate. He has political savvy and is great on the talk shows. I hope that Obama and he get along for the good of the country. Who cares when we knew about things. Let's get our country moving.

Not surprising, seeing as they were both running for President. Do two Biden posts in a day mean that you guys think he's the VP? :)

Now for some real news:

Life long Republican activist Larry Hunter for Barack Obama

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2008/07/16/2008-07-16_im_a_lifelong_conservative_activist_and_.html

Earlier post: "The big thing Obama and Biden have in common is that they are both elitist snobs"

I love this republitard argument.  It basically says "I dont want my president to be smarter than me"  Well, thats what we have now.  How's it working out for you?

That's right. Biden will confront anyone when he thinks they are wrong whether Mccain or Obama. Biden criticized Obama during the primary and now criticizes McCain and his Republican surrogates. So.

Now tell me. Which of the two do you think that Biden agrees with and supports more even though having criticized both. Bingo!

Biden would be a good VP. Once Obama is elected as VP Biden would not be afraid to let Obama know what he thinks whether he agreed with him or not, and Obama would listen to Biden. Especially on those matters where Biden may have more knowledge and or experience That's the kind of VP we want and that's the kind of Presdient we want. If Biden were to agree with Obama all the time and never provide Obama with cronstruction critisim when he thought it was right and appropriate then why do we need a VP.  

The key is that Obama is willing to listen to other view points and constructive criticismn whereas McCain has the same mentaility as GWB, my-way-or-the-highway.  

Thanks Frist Read for this post that reminds us again that Biden would be a great VP and Obama would be a great President.  

I find it a lot disingenuous that the MSM is so biased in their coverage.  First read is definitely pro McCain to the point of avoiding any missteps by McCain and practically manufacturing negativism for Obama.

Sorry MSM but what you have done it to make me immediately discount your opinion because you are so biased.  In other words I'm automatically flushing your biased coverage.  I really do believe you are corporate owned and OPERATED.

Why are Republicans not donating to the War Monger? John McCain has 19 century mentality. War, War and more wars. 10 Billion dollars a month Iraq while this country in heading to bankruptcy.
Looks like the ‘under-dog’ candidate has gone further ‘under’. 52 million dollars for Obama and 22 million for McCain says it all.

John McCain...War Monger?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlX9l1g1ZE0&eurl

Here's what four more years would sound like (McCain mashup)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iWYAOMYmp0&eurl=http://www.jedreport.com/


I "Totally" Support Bush On The "Transcendent Issues"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/12/mccain-2005-i-totally-sup_n_106733.html

Who cares..........Obama/Biden!

DAG, Republicans are getting really desperate.....

Fact:
VP is nothing more than a "stand in". They attend funerals. They visit foreign countries. They are chosen by the Presidential candidate not for their popularity but for their views on issues and lack of "baggage".
They normally fade into history and people can't even remember their names. Unfortunately, some of you chose Bush who was ignorant and surrounded himself with Cheney, Rumsfield, etc... He was and is nothing but a puppet for them. You got what you paid and still are paying for. Obama is strong enough to "just say no" to bad advice and is a leader, not a follower. Neither Bush or McCain (or Hillary)) has admitted that they were dead wrong to vote for a war that was nothing more than an ego trip and assasination of Sadam. They, none of them, read the full report on WMD's before voting but took the word of a moron. Intrangiency is not  a positive trait. It is childish stubborness.
Like in war, strategy changes day to day according to changes in situations. This country needs a leader who can reason and be willing to refine or rethink options. This is not "flip flopping" it is rational. Happily, Sen. Obama is not afflicted by tunnel vision and can listen as well as hear.  Your President represents you to the rest of the world.  Obama/Biden  '08. Give peace a chance.

Maybe you could also state that W accused McCain of having a black "love child" in 2000---but old McCain is hugging and kissing the guy in 2008!!! Which is worse? Come on FR, at least try and be fair!

No matter what you say about Obama I will stop watching your station before I believe anything you say against Obama!!!
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Rob in Raleigh, NC:  I guess you won't be able to support Biden since he said something against Biden.

that was during the primary, when you falsely attack your opponent to win and now biden agree with obama
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So Camie, it's ok to lie and defame people for political gain?

Fannie Mae:

How can BIDEN be an elitist when he is ranked 98th in personal wealth in the Senate.  He was raised in a middle class family.  He has no trust fund or RICH WIFE to fall back on.  

Being intelligent doesn't make you an elitist.  Having a wife that spends $750,000 IN ONE MONTH does.

McCain is the real elitist.

Get your facts straight before you spout TRITE, DUMBED-DOWN, REPUBLICAN TALKING POINTS FROM 1988.

So basically Biden, a year ago, sarcastically thanked Obama for coming around to his plan. While McCan't came around to the idea circa YESTERDAY.

Fine. Now FR, do me the favor of posting some of the things potential VP Romney said about McOld...in the spirit of fair and balanced journalism...

This is silly. Biden was a rival of Obama's at that point, so of course he'll be more cynical of his positions. Anybody remember what Romney had to say about McCain? And now they're best buddies...

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Where's your posting for these comments. What's wrong, too many negative comments against FR because of your blatently biased coverage?

Why don't we look into things the McCain said a year ago?  

Curious. Why is firstread playing "gotcha" with Biden on McCain's behalf?  

GOTCHA
One point for the media
No points for America
Who wins
nobody

Congratulations First Read. I have never seen a group of people run so fast when something positive is said about Obama. You just have to dig something up to refute it. However, when McCain does his flip-flop-flip, you just let it slide right over you head. Can you please explain?????

Could it be that if you pointed every ridiculous thing that comes out of McCain's mouth it would highlight the numbskull that he is and the polls would be Obama 75% and only the good old faithful 25% supporting McIdiot. What on earth would your panels have to shout at each other about then??

nothing more up to date to cover? if mccain has opened his mouth today most likely, from a historical stand point, he's surely made some ludicrous statement that insulted some group of people, or made blatant lies about his opponnet, or at the very least mentioned some plan to burn some nation off the face of the earth, maybe you guy's should try covering that instead? surprise everyone and try it just one time, try something out of character once.

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