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Bush, McCain following Obama's lead?

Posted: Friday, July 18, 2008 2:42 PM by Mark Murray
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From NBC/NJ's Athena Jones


President Bush and McCain are playing catch-up with Obama when it comes to Iraq and Afghanistan, Obama advisers said on a conference call today.

The aides were responding to news that Bush and Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki had agreed that any new agreement regarding US-Iraqi relations after the UN mandate expires at year-end should include “a general time horizon" for withdrawing American troops from the country.

Senior foreign policy adviser Susan Rice said the presumptive Democratic nominee had been a leader on issues regarding Iraq and Afghanistan -- having long-called for a strategic redeployment of US troops from the former, and for increased efforts to deal with the national security threats presented by the latter.

VIDEO: Presidential hopeful Barack Obama hopes to bolster his foreign-policy credentials in a five nation trip to the Middle East and Europe. NBC's Andrea Mitchell reports from Baghdad.

“[Obama] has made the prescient point that we ought to put more US brigades into Afghanistan to step up our effort there; that we ought not to put all of our military eggs and political eggs in Pervez Musharraf’s basket; and that our Pakistan and Afghanistan policies need to be adjusted,” Rice said. “We are now seeing Sen. McCain come gradually and belatedly around to that position. And today, we see the further evidence -- not only from the Iraqis, who have asked for a timetable for US withdrawal -- but from the administration, acknowledging that indeed a time horizon is desirable and necessary and is moving in that direction.”

She argued that McCain was trying to raise questions about the Illinois senator’s judgment on issues of foreign policy “to deflect attention from the fact that despite his claims to be the expert on national security, when it comes to critical issues he and President Bush are following Barack Obama’s lead.”

The comments came during a conference call held to preview Obama’s trip abroad next week. The trip -- during which he plans to meet with leaders in Jordan, Israel, Germany, France, and Great Britain -- is likely to be watched closely watched by journalists and voters. While Obama leads McCain in many national polls, a recent poll showed voters to be more comfortable with the Arizona senator in the area of foreign policy.

Obama plans to visit Iraq and Afghanistan this summer as well, but no details regarding those trips are being released.

Obama foreign policy adviser Denis McDonough noted that the Bush Administration’s decision to send Undersecretary of State William Burns to what he called “high-level direct talks with the Iranians in Geneva” was another sign that Bush and the McCain campaign were coming closer to Obama’s positions. Obama has been calling for direct engagement with Iran on its nuclear program.

On Iraq, Ben Rhodes -- a foreign policy adviser and senior speechwriter -- said Obama continued to believe that a timetable was important to urge Iraqis to step up to their responsibilities, saying of the agreement between Bush and Maliki: “This would have been more effective had it been a timetable that really put the pressure on the Iraqis to step up and take responsibility.”

*** UPDATE *** NBC's Bethany Thomas, who's traveling with the McCain campaign, reports that McCain senior adviser Nicolle Wallace came to the back of the plane to brief reporters on this "time horizon" news: "Conditions-based withdrawal has always been something Sen. McCain has supported. And the conditions are only something that we can talk about being met because of the success of the surge. Now that the surge has succeeded in Iraq, we can actually talk more ... about this aspirational conditions phase."

"Voters are going to have to draw their own conclusion about who would do what next. Who knows what Barack Obama would do next? He's managed to be on seven sides of every two-sided debate about the way to go forward in Iraq. So voters are going to have to decide what each man would do next. But Sen. McCain is certainly, without dispute, the leader on putting forth a policy that would lead to success and security so that we can have these discussions about a conditions-based withdrawal."

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Yes, Obama is not only the Messiah, but he's also the new Nostrodomis. For a man that hasn't accomplished squat in 25 years, he sure gets a lot credit. All should bow in his presence.
Isn’t McCain and the expert on this stuff??? Guess not!!!

Obama 08
The article speaks for itself.  Welcome to the beginning of the first Obama term as President.....and it's about time.

I hope that this is a genuine policy shift by the administration and not an elaborate set up to somehow gain a politcal advantage.  Dems, be cautious of what seems like low hanging fruit.

That being said...
Go Obama/McCain!
Now, if we can just get Bush/McCain to support universal health care and repeal Bush's tax cuts......

.... we'll be OK


Wait til you see Bush and McCain 'fist bump' !!
Obama --- JUDGEMENT you can believe in!!!


Obama/Biden '08
BAM!
Obama won't be happy until we surrender in Iraq and Saddam Hussein Part II is made the new leader.
Wow... it's been a long day already.

That was supposed to say Obama/Biden.
The Phantom President stricks again. McBush follows what Barack says again with regard to foreign policy; air attack against Pakistani (Baracks idea), sending more troops to Afghanistan (Baracks idea), using strong diplomacy with Iran with regard to nuclear weapons (Baracks idea), time table for Iraq (Baracks idea).

Wow, who knew one politician that's not even President yet could bring about so much change. Speaking of change, I'm seeing it every other day or so from McBush.
How can anyone follow Obama's lead? He's never led anything.
Again, it comes down to judgment. Bush and McCain have none. Want more of the same? Vote McCain.
Even an absolute idiot will pick up shiny objects from the ground. These two just got lucky when they realized they needed to start picking up some of these DIAMOND IDEAS Obama keeps campaigning on!!
No doubt about it.  Obama is leading the nation in foreign policy and he hasn't even taken office yet.
This speaks volumes about the attacks by others claiming poor jugdement and lack of experience.

HE KEEPS GETTING IT RIGHT... WHAT MORE COULD WE WANT?
BRAVO Obama campaign!

Senator Obama's judgement has once again been vindicated.

While this is great political news, it is my sincere hope that this will also represent relief on the horizon for our long suffering military. They deserve some leadership from Washington to go along with their courage and sacrifice.
I'm sure it is hard for Republicans to accept, but people are already listening to Obama, evaluating his judgment, and accepting his positions.  

Just Askin: Have others noticed that for the past two weeks it has been Biden who has lead the counter-attack? Not Webb, Byah, Strickland, Hillary: but Biden. I really could be wrong, but, I think Barack has already decided and Joe has started his new duties.  
I'm left wondering why Bush starts modifying his policies now (as a lame-duck) versus previously, when he actually had something to lose (and gain).

You'd think that a lame-duck would prefer to remain ideologically rigid, since he's headed out of office anyway, and his party will likely lose even more power in Congress very soon.

Or is he trying to get effective in the bottom of the ninth for legacy reasons?
Obama hasn't a clue about foreign policy. He just reads what one of his 300 advisors shoves in front of his face.
Holy Cow Batman-----the dunce in chief has another shift in his crazy policy and McDunce follows.  Go figure.  Wasted lives over nothing but yet we can't muster the balls to impeach this lying killing spying and law breaking administration.
In all the years that McCain has been in the senate, what is his biggest accomplishment? Not much, except to vote against most women's rights, all gay rights, environmental protection, for war when ever it came up, and for big business breaks.  

McCain's Experience is Worthless, since his judgment is all wrong!

That's why Obama is the better choice despite his limited National experience...that despite that, he's got the better judgment.
FR:  Why not report on this comment that McCain made?  He sounds more Bush like everyday.  Didn't Bush use fear mongering before his re-election????  Disgusting.

(CNN) — John McCain said Friday he expects the presidential election this fall will increase the occurrence of "spectacular" terror attempts in Iraq.

Speaking at a General Motors facility in Warren, Michigan, the presumptive Republican presidential candidate touted the decrease of violence in Iraq, but said Al Qaeda is not yet defeated there.

"I predict that they will make an attempt as we get in to the election season to make more of these spectacular kinds of attacks which they're still capable of doing," he said. "The suicide bombers, et cetera, would not surprise me and we've already found out that they're going to try and step up their attacks and try and do things in a more spectacular fashion so that they can erode the support of the Maliki government."
Very interesting that Bush, McCain, et all are taking foreign policy lessons from Obama.

Longetivity/age is NOT EQUAL to the right judgement/insight.
Chuck,
Please have enough "guts" to tell the American people that Bush and McCain are a "step" behind Obama. Tell Americans that these two idiots can not represent us in this twenty first century. Weather you like Obama or not, for God's sake tell the TRUTH!! This country, you, me and your kids deserve a FUTURE.  OH, HOW I MISS TIM.....
Lee-- Dallas, Tx - The Phantom President stricks again.


You just know Obama thinks he's some kind superhero. He probably thinks of himself as Superman, or Flash. He's more of "The Black Menace" though.
yes there are following his lead because he is more in tune with foegin policy, he has been a step ahead of them all, i suggest that McCain should huddle with his people and find out what he will say next. hey maybe an illegal wire tap, since obama voted for it then john should use it!!!
It looks like the Bush administration is following Obama’s lead. Go figure?

Bush before Obama – We will never talk to Iran!

Obama – We should have direct talks to Iran.

Bush before Obama – We will not have a time withdraw from Iraq!  

Obama – We need to get out of Iraq within 16 months of my administration.

Now Bush is talking directly with Iran, and today Bush agrees for an US withdraw of American troops after UN mandate ends in December. Guess what oil prices came down!


Wow! Obama is not even president yet and is directing foreign policy.  

Now that’s change you can believe in.

Obama 08/12
The Repubs are indeed playing "follow the Leader" on this one.  Are we really surprised?  Point in fact, they are probably trying to neutralize any gains that Obama will be making on the foreign policy front by taking away his talking points.  It will be up to the Obama campaign to continue pointing out these blatant FLIP-FLOPs on the part of Bush/McCain.
I wonder if Bush and McCain will go on a foreign trip, this summer ?

Maybe they could visit Jordan, Israel, Germany, France, and Great Britain.
They could ask what Obama suggested and adopt those policies, too !!


John McCain, Bush’s 3rd term

John McCain, there’s No Fool like an Old Fool
Just like the McSame to twist things to there benefit.  Can't someone JUST GIVE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DO?

Obama/Biden08
mccain camp and bush are definitely following obama on this issue.  mccain and bush has never even suggested that troops get sent to afghanistan, obama has talking about this since last year.  so mccain bush are definitely following obama.  its good though that mccain and bush see that obama is right.

what a surrogate said about muslims
http://sensico.wordpress.com/2008/07/18/guess-whos-surrogate-said-the-muslims-are-going-to-kill-us/
or
http://sensico2.blogspot.com/2008/07/my-blogs.html
Wisdom first, diplomacy second, sanctions third and invasion last.

McCain doesn't have wisdom,
McCain doesn't appreciate diplomacy
McCain doesn't have the patience for sanctions
McCain understands war.

So there you have it -- if you want to borrow against your children's future incomes to pay for war, and the rich Republican war profiteers, then vote Republican.  

If you prefer peace and prosperity, vote Democratic.

Obama 08
This Foreign Policy position seems to be coming from exactly what Joe Biden has said since 2007.
Obama foreign policy has been spot on.

Once he returns from the Middle East & Europe he needs come up with a realistic bipartisan economic plan that will alleviate the gas, housing and food crisis.

If he can come up with a plan then Nov. could be a slam dunk.

It appears that the current president is following whatever the candidates say.  This is really funny that the lame duck president is now just doing what the candidates are saying.  I am wondering again how little this guy (Bush) was actually involved in a decision making process on anything.  
I guess this is Bush's way of insuring he gets the agreement which allows US troops to stay in the country beyond the end of the year without really setting a time table for withdrawal.  This gives Maliki fodder to calm his detractors and probably provides a way for the agreement to be signed by both sides by the end of July as Bush wanted.  I don't think Senator Obama and his plan had anything to do with this.
The Republicans are doing what they have done in the past.

Tell the American people what they want to hear - make some gesture that suggest they are listening or about to make a chance.  

Then if they happen to be lucky enough to win - go back to what it is they have always done or intended to do, because then it will be too late for anyone to change it or stop them.

The Republican Party are a bunch of liars and they can not be trusted.

Don't be fooled by these fools.

Thank you and GOD BLESS AMERICA
President Bush has always said Iraq's opinion would be taken into consideration when it came to troop withdrawals in Iraq, but not if it meant compromising security in the area.

This has nothing to do with Barack Obama.  This has everything to do with a successful surge of troops to help stablize a region.  Even liberals in the media agree with that point.  Those troops now need to be turned to Afghanistan to help on that front.

One thing about the President.  He has never waivered from his decision, which is more than what you can say for, quite frankly, either candidate.

All BO has done is talk talk talk.  He is turning a tour of the middle east into a political agenda instead of going quietly without fanfaire.  This man looks more and more like a "typical politician" every day.
A day ago McCain and Bush are against timelines.  Any setting of a time line or discussion of one is"SURRENDERING TO THE TERRORISTS" now not so much. If the Republicans are for it it is patriotic and a commander in chief moment. If it is a Democrtat you  are a terrorist appeaser.  Nice try but do not "P*** down my back and call it rain" John McCain.
Well Well, I am SO HAPPY MSNBC is really on top of their game today!

Thank you for the long due acknowledgment~!
I tell you what Bush and Condi, why don't you take a 6 month vacation and let Barack handle things while he gets his stuff moved in.
Sound like watergate all over again. trying to sneak and peek on what Obama will do and say next. A legacy for Bush and impeachment for Mc Can't.

Running scared for a loss cause..
Of course McBush is folowing Obama. He has real ideas.
McBush cant even read
Someones got to ask the follow up.
What does it mean when something is "apirational" and how does that differ from "in your DREAMS!"?
Bush is following what Barack says.  Not whatever the candidates say.  Give the credit to Obama.  He said it months prior and has been right on so many of these foreign policy issues.
To anyone who says that Obama does not have experience in Foreign Policy - well his judgement and policies are "so right on " that the President and his staff are obviously listening to him!!!

Not only the talks with North Korean and Iran but when they allowed troops to penetrate Pakistan and caught terrorists.

Stand Tall Barack!!!!!!!!


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