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McCain gets more than he bargained for

Posted: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 2:55 PM by Mark Murray

From NBC/NJ's Adam Aigner-Treworgy


ROCHESTER, NH -- During a return trip to the state that he won in the 2000 primaries and that launched him on the road to this year's GOP nomination, McCain got more than he bargained for from the independent-minded voters he is so complimentary of on the campaign trail. Before opening up to questions from the audience of several hundred that crowded into the Opera House downtown here, McCain picked up on his campaign's message of the day: Obama and Iraq.

"I had the courage and the judgment to say that I would rather lose a political campaign than lose a war," McCain said, referencing a tag line he used to defend his support for the troop surge in Iraq. "It seems to me that Sen. Obama would rather lose a war in order to win a political campaign."

But McCain had to deal with at least one audience member today who is sympathetic to Obama's view of the situation in Iraq. An older woman engaged McCain on the issue, voicing vehement opposition to the US involvement there and saying that "we are in Iraq against international law," and all of the deaths that have occurred in that country verge on "criminal."

"Now the idea that we might someday have a stable democratic government there is not ours to impose on that country," the questioner said. "We should not be there in my opinion. We need to leave the country. The people of that country are asking us to leave. The prime minister of that country is asking us to leave."

McCain allowed the woman to speak and follow up several times, but each time he was unmoved by her impassioned plea against the war, reiterating that the US has "succeeded" and even arguing that Iraqis are now living normal lives.

"The fact is that everybody recognizes, including Prime Minister Maliki, that we have to have conditions-based withdrawal, and we all -- we are gonna withdraw," McCain said. "We will withdraw. The fact is, is whether we withdraw in victory or whether we withdraw in defeat. And again, you and I have different versions. We have succeeded. The Sadr City is safe. Mosul is safe. Basra is safe. The people of Iraq, and I've been there, are now leading normal lives."

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Man, these Code Pink women are all over the place. McCain better get someone from Orkin on the team.
"...we are gonna withdraw," McCain said. "We will withdraw..."

He never would have said that three days ago.  This guy has absolutely no credibility anymore.  He'll say whatever his handlers tell him to say.
Probably was Obamas grandma.
"The fact is, is whether we withdraw in victory or whether we withdraw in defeat. And again, you and I have different versions. We have succeeded. The Sadr City is safe. Mosul is safe. Basra is safe. The people of Iraq, and I've been there, are now leading normal lives."
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Hmmmmmmm.

How very coincidental that all this safety and security came about at the EXACT MOMENT that President Maliki told us to get out.

Remarkable.
Just more hate filled Obama supporters.
I don't really understand John McCain's Iraqi plan, or his refusal to define Victory.
Turned out to be Reverend Wright in drag.
How dumb is dumb? Everytime McCain opens his mouth he fails to answer anyones question. Maybe that's the idea of a townhall meeting.

"McDumb is getting More McDumber"
If all of those cities are safe as mccain said, then why can't we leave?  Why shouldn't we leave?  He just made the argument to leave!  Mccain just rambles and doesn't know what he says--he is dangerous.
I love that little ol' lady.  Is there video to go with that?
Oh.  Man.  Even with Obama out of the country McCain can't get a break??!!  This is really something!!!
If all of those cities are safe as mccain said, then why can't we leave?  Why shouldn't we leave?  He just made the argument to leave!  Mccain just rambles and doesn't know what he says--he is dangerous.
I love that little ol' lady.  Is there video to go with that?
The people of Iraq are now living normal lives?  What on earth is he talking about?  This delusion that McCain harbors that war is a normal state for people to endure is really frightening.  

Can you walk down the streets in any of those cities, Senator McCain without wearing body protection and without guards?  

Really, this should worry any McCain supporter.  Talk about being stubborn!  And facts are stubborn things.
Some on needs to check McSame's Depends.  I don't like the smell coming from them.
McCain has the guts to face people...even those who disagree with him.  Obama has never shown that much courage. He is afraid to meet McCain face to face.
Correct me if I am wrong---the dunce in chief said we would leave when they ask us to.  It seems again this administration and McDunce do not get it.  Time to string them up with the impeachment process.
Refreshing that a candidate actually allows hostile questions from the audience and engages in a debate.  So unlike the scripted "events" of Bush and Obama.
McCain is a true loser!!!
If we've succeeded, then we can come home now. Right?
Is he crazy?  While violence is down, one of the major reasons is that areas like Sadr City and Basra have been "ethnically cleansed?"  Is that normal?  What gall!  Due to thousands of deaths and hundreds of thousands of forced relocation, these areas are now "safe."  He is playing politics with people's tragedies.  What a hack!
McCain has no judgement?  This guy is totally clueless and a warmonger!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/22/mccain-becomes-latest-to_n_114268.html
McCain's responses:

On the way forward in Iraq.  McCain says 'The Surge Has Worked'

On the way forward in Afganistan.  McCain says 'The Surge Has Worked'

On the US Economy.  McCain says 'The Surge Has Worked'

On high gas prices.  McCain says 'The Surge Has Worked'

On the mortgage crisis.  McCain says 'The Surge Has Worked'
Hee-hee! McCain better do something! When you have people in the audience jumping up to challenge your opinions, that doesn't look good!
Can someone define victory for me?  McCain uses it all the time.  Can some GOPer tell me what victory in Iraq is?  If we can't define it, how are we going to know if we get there?
What is defeat?  Defat will come in November when we no longer have to listen to the nonsense of McCain.  

Jim, it's not just Code Pink, America is fed up with the war and that country wants us out.  Even George Bush Sr. has the correct knowledge of not conducting this nonsense during the Desert Storm.  McCain is not listening...November can't get here fast enough.

If McIgnoreAmerica is not paying attention to us now in this election season, he IS going to continue the Bush policies and get more Service Members killed and the economy will collapse.  

If anything is needed it should be Orkin for the repukes, because they are all ate up!  
If that woman had been out of view, and ear shot, she would have been slapped with a McCain ticket for trespassing like the little old librarian a couple of weeks ago.

I'm glad this one got to tell him off good, and proper.
A disgraceful situation today as every Republican surrogate repeats the mantra...THE SURGE, THE SURGE, THE SURGE...etc. Obama was wrong about the surge!.
Well, Senator McCain, you were wrong about the War in Iraq....we wouldn't need the surge if we hadn't "waged a war that should never have been fought".A war of choice is NOT sound judgement Senator McCain.
And because of you and all the others who voted for this war (and a president who  lied to the American people and who has an adolescent view of the world), 4200 American heroes are dead.
Keep talking up the surge...you are sounding more and more like the old geezer that you are.
The Commander-in-Chief (President) sets the policy (mission). General Patreu (and the military) carries out the policy (mission) to the best of his ability , which he has done honorably. General Patreus does not set policy.
George W Bush has used the general for political purposes and to cover-up his failed policy.

To quote Senator Hagel (R) of Nebraska...."Iraq belongs to the Iraqi people, it is not a prize to be won or lost."
BRING OUR HEROES HOME!
Well, I agree with her, but I'll give McThuselah this much credit... That lady never would have made it into a Bush campaign event.
John McCain, you're trying to talk logical to these people. That doesn't work.
A disgraceful situation today as every Republican surrogate repeats the mantra...THE SURGE, THE SURGE, THE SURGE...etc. Obama was wrong about the surge!.
Well, Senator McCain, you were wrong about the War in Iraq....we wouldn't need the surge if we hadn't "waged a war that should never have been fought".A war of choice is NOT sound judgement Senator McCain.
And because of you and all the others who voted for this war (and a president who  lied to the American people and who has an adolescent view of the world), 4200 American heroes are dead.
Keep talking up the surge...you are sounding more and more like the old geezer that you are.
The Commander-in-Chief (President) sets the policy (mission). General Patreu (and the military) carries out the policy (mission) to the best of his ability , which he has done honorably. General Patreus does not set policy.
George W Bush has used the general for political purposes and to cover-up his failed policy.

To quote Senator Hagel (R) of Nebraska...."Iraq belongs to the Iraqi people, it is not a prize to be won or lost."
BRING OUR HEROES HOME!
That woman's sentiments is echoed not just by the majority in the US but around the world.

I respect Senator McCain but he is truly sounding as stubborn as Bush. How on earth could the place be even better, why would they ask the US to leave if they feel it would scrutinize their safety?
Perhaps they feel that they will no longer be targets if the US is not present in their country. This is their sovereign will. If the US does not respect that it is nothing short of occupation. And that is against the law.

When will McCain and company realize that?

I am not an ardent supporter of Obama. I supported Hilary. But at least Obama is trying to resolve things and find a solution apart from continuing the so called war. We've spent horrendous amount of lives and money.

It's not about winning or losing. It's about respecting the will of the people and doing what is best for everyone.
There was NO REASON to invade Iraq

Iraq had NOT ATTACKED us
Iraq had NOT THREATENED us
It was an 'unjust war'

The invasion of Iraq was built upons lies and deception

John McCain SUPPORTED this illegal war for oil
Barack Obama OPPOSED this unjust war for oil


Obama / Edwards '08
Yes, WE CAN
He has historia of two words

Surge
&
Succeeded

but What? and Cost of human including our brave solders.

lol, crazy old lady
About time some real people get to ask questions instead of the typical RNC Zombies that they trot out there.
McWar needs to be taken up on "The Sadr City is safe. Mosul is safe. Basra is safe. The people of Iraq, and I've been there, are now leading normal lives."
What is the definition of NORMAL LIVE when there are more than 100,000 American Military men/women and a lot more of Iraqi service men patrolling the streets of Iraq.
Wouldn't a measure of NORMAL LIVE be what we are used to over here? When was the last time you went to Wal-Mart and be afraid that the place will be blown up or you see hundreds of military guys patrolling in and around Wal-Mart.?
I am really afraid this McClueless guy could some how steal the presidency....He would be worse than Bush.
Normal? If you consider bulletproof jackets and cars 'normal'...by the way, is that where ms cindy is having her shopping spree while she is out of the country?
McCain should visit Irag without a small army guarding him and then say if it's safe or not.
"McCain allowed the woman to speak and follow up several times, but each time he was unmoved by her impassioned plea against the war, reiterating that the US has "succeeded" and even arguing that Iraqis are now living normal lives.

"The fact is that everybody recognizes, including Prime Minister Maliki, that we have to have conditions-based withdrawal, and we all -- we are gonna withdraw," McCain said. "We will withdraw. The fact is, is whether we withdraw in victory or whether we withdraw in defeat. And again, you and I have different versions. We have succeeded. The Sadr City is safe. Mosul is safe. Basra is safe. The people of Iraq, and I've been there, are now leading normal lives." "  Wonderful!

If the surge worked, and things are better,and the Iraqis agree (there's your 'conditions'),  then we WON (repeat WON) and it is TIME TO GO.
Hey Old Man Yells At Cloud,

If we had never gone into Iraq like Obama suggested back in 02 this whole surge crap you keep going on about wouldn't ever have happened and we would instead be talking about the down fall of the Taliban, Al-Qaeda and Bin Laden. I think the judgement argument goes to the man who got it right from the beginning.

Now go get your Geritol and have your trophey wife tuck you in for your afternoon nap.
Also McCain said thank you to one of his volunteers:

I'm very aware, I'm very aware that the only way that campaigns succeed — and certainly the only way every one of mine have — is through volunteers, and I'm extremely grateful and I thank you."

Now if you can help me change my 'depends' I will be very greatful also!
Isn’t the fact that the leaders of Iraq have clearly expressed they want us to begin withdrawing troops the only condition on the ground that matters?  What other condition trumps this fact?  We have gotten rid of Al Qaeda (Who were not even there to begin with) and established a working government in Iraq.  Iraq is now a sovereign nation and they have asked us to begin withdrawing troops.  I say we honor that request as it is in our interests to do so.  There is no reason for us to use American tax dollars and American lives for nation building at this point.  We have a real and serious threat growing in Afghanistan that needs to be addressed.  We can no longer hold Iraq’s hand as they slowly move toward political reconciliation.  That is something they will have to work out.  We do however need to look after the SAFTERY OF OUR OWN NATION which is being threatened by the Taliban and Al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan.  

You are right about one thing McCain.

County First!  

OUR COUNTRY!!!!!

Obama ‘08
"It seems to me that Sen. Obama would rather lose a war in order to win a political campaign."
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I'm sorry, but this is WAY over the line. This is worse that questioning a person's patriotism, it's accusing him of treason for the sake of political gain. What happened to McCain's "civil" campaign???? I have lost ALL respect for this pathetic individual. His run for the presidency has led him to sacrifice all of his principles. And he has the nerve to accuse Obama of putting politics first? Obama has been saying the same thing since before he was even running for president, so this accusation is just total bullshit.
What does mccain call normal and if they are living normal lives shouldnt they be protecting there selves by know. everything mccain says contradicts his prior statements he made. why does no one confront him on that fact, he will say whatever it takes to make his stance better at that moment and hope people dont remember what he has said in the past.  the MSM is letting him get away with it to.
the ultimate McCain flip-flop!!!  From 100 years to this?

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/07/mccain_surrogate_he_might_with.php
Wow!  Live Free or Die!

I couldn't agree with her more -- and how gutsy to stand up to the old codger!  Good for her!

My GOD - how much lower will John McCain go?  This man has no honor and no shame.

As the election gets closer and John McCain get further behind.

I fear he might result in calling for whatever "red" states that left - to secede and follow him - he's going to be the president of something.

He is crazy
McCain says that people in Iraq are living normal lives and the cities are safe...and yet, he says we can't withdraw in defeat.  Well, if things are that hunky dory, it sounds like we won.  Let's head out of there!
Can someone define victory for me?  McCain uses it all the time.  Can some GOPer tell me what victory in Iraq is?  If we can't define it, how are we going to know if we get there?
Ira, Freehold, NJ (Sent Tuesday, July 22, 2008 3:10 PM)



Victory will be when the Iraqis can defend themselves and a dependable military is in place and the their Government is strong enough to stand on it's own. When they can defend Iraq against Iran and Alqaida.
That is Victory. In my mind the goal was to get a horrible dictator out and delevops another strong democratic country. ! goal has been achieved, the 2 is in the works, but if we pull out and surrender the counrty as is.... well we just wasted over 4000 Amrican lives for nothing.
That was why we went there.
Then why are our troops still there? Then we won. War over. Send them to the forgotten ware in Afghanistan
John McCain does not have what it takes, in sophistication or intellect that would be needed to lead this country.  It is very frightening to think that he could end up as President due to Marketing and Manipulation like George W. Bush did.


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