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Obama vs. McCain: A tough attack

Posted: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:29 AM by Mark Murray
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McCain yesterday launched one of his toughest attacks yet on Senator Barack Obama, saying his Democratic rival ‘would rather lose a war in order to win a campaign.’”

The Washington Post: “Obama said he had hoped to avoid political warfare with his rival while overseas, but the attention the candidate's trip is receiving in the United States and potential implications for the November election makes that all but impossible. Minutes after the news conference, McCain's campaign issued a statement blasting the Democratic candidate. ‘By continuing his opposition to the surge strategy long after it has proven successful and by admitting that his plan for withdrawal places him at odds with General David Petraeus, Barack Obama has made clear that his goal remains unconditional withdrawal rather than securing the victory our troops have earned and the surge has made possible,’ spokesman Tucker Bounds said.”

VIDEO: Race for the White House panelists Rachel Maddow and Stephen Hayes debate which presidential candidate, Barack Obama or John McCain, is showing better judgement on Iraq.

Obama declared yesterday that there is a "growing consensus" in the United States and Iraq for a timeline to withdraw American combat forces, and that the United States now urgently needs to turn its attention to Afghanistan. "If we responsibly end the war in Iraq, we can strengthen our military, step up our efforts to finish the fight against Al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan, and succeed in leaving Iraq to a sovereign government that can take responsibility for its own future," Obama said at his first news conference since touring Afghanistan and Iraq. "The situation in Afghanistan is perilous and urgent," he said, calling the country the "central front in the war against terrorism."

Another McCain gaffe? The AP: “‘Because of the surge we were able to go out and protect that sheik and others. And it began the Anbar awakening,’ McCain said, referring to the U.S.-backed revolt of Sunni sheiks against al-Qaida in Anbar province. ‘I mean, that's just a matter of history.’ The problem with McCain's statement -- as Obama's campaign quickly noted -- was that the awakening got under way before President Bush announced in January 2007 his decision to flood Iraq with tens of thousands of additional U.S. troops to help combat violence.”
 
“McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds said late Tuesday, ‘Democrats can debate whether the awakening would have survived without the surge ... but that is nothing more than a transparent effort to minimize the role of our commanders and our troops in defeating the enemy, because to credit them would be to disparage the judgment of Barack Obama and praise the leadership of John McCain.’”

The Washington Post editorial page is not buying into the narrative that somehow Iraqi leaders are others are supportive of Obama's withdrawal plan.

Meanwhile, the New York Times’ Tom Friedman says both McCain and Obama are right about Iraq. "All of which suggests that the right position on Iraq today is probably ‘McBama’ — stick to a clear withdrawal timetable because post-surge Iraqi and American politics will tolerate nothing else — but leave yourself some wiggle room if things keep getting better, but not exactly on schedule. Always remember: the more Iraq is seen as succeeding on its own, without U.S. scaffolding, the more positive impact it will have on the neighborhood.’”

And Joint Chiefs Chairman Mike Mullen last night told PBS’s Jim Lehrer that withdrawal from Iraq needs to be conditions based. But he also agreed with Obama that Afghanistan is "urgent” and that troop levels in Iraq have an impact on American military strategy in Afghanistan. "I think it is," Mullen said. "It is urgent. It is one where the violence is growing."

JIM LEHRER: Why don't we have more troops there, Admiral?
ADM. MIKE MULLEN: Well, we are very committed to -- with a significant number of troops in Iraq… And until we get to a point where we reduce that commitment, we won't have significant additional troops to add to Afghanistan.
JIM LEHRER: So troops have to be withdrawn from Iraq before troops can being added to Afghanistan in any sizable way?
ADM. MIKE MULLEN: In any significant manner, that's true.

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Is First Read a 527 for Obama? Sure is lots of free advertising for that old slime dog from Chicago.
Obama couldn't whip his way out of a Hefty bag. He's full of hot air, a big phony who says what he thinks people want to hear. The walls around him will soon come tumbling down.
McCain doesnt even know what he talking about.  McCain is trying to hit obama subtly on patroitism by basically calling obama a traitor.  This will back fire because I believe and hope the american people will see beyond this.  It will also backfire because McCain will just end up looking like a senial old man.

Video: McCains Daughter doesnt think mccains getting unfair media treatment, media party
http://sensico.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/media-unfair-to-mccain-meghan-mccain-seems-to-differ/
or
http://sensico2.blogspot.com/2008/07/my-blogs.html
I've never seen such a bunch of immature whiners as the McCainiacs.  He's lucky the press hasn't made more of his litany of "mis-statements."  The old man is past his prime.
Tell the republicans that Bush stood on a carrier deck about for years ago under a banner that said

MISSION ACCOMPLISED!

The war is won why are we still there?
What a desperate/pathetic man!  And the media is always talking about what a foreign policy expert McFossil is...he doesn't even remember current history.

Can someone explain to me what makes McFossil such an expert - I mean besides his POW victim days...
Obama needs to know what he is facing internationally and to be ready from day one of his presidency and that along with the good ratings he is receiving will get him into the white house. The more John McCain sends negativity at Obama, the more McCain will fail, as did Hillary with her negativity. Take note Mr McCain.
You guys in the media need to start differentiating between minor misstatements and HUGE gaffes. His statement the other day about the Iraq/Pakistan border was just a minor slip up - he meant Iran. But his description about the events surrounding the surge is a MAJOR screw up. It's more than just mixing up the names of two countries, it's having a completely incorrect view/understanding of what took place. And since this "surge" has become the centerpiece of his campaign in the last few days, it's even more significant that he doesn't even know what the hell happened.
The other real story of the Anbar Awakening gaffe is that CBS edited the interview, removing McCain's gaffe.

more on this here:
http://strategy08.wordpress.com/
Obama needs to know what he is facing internationally and to be ready from day one of his presidency and that along with the good ratings he is receiving will get him into the white house. The more John McCain sends negativity at Obama, the more McCain will fail, as did Hillary with her negativity. Take note Mr McCain.
How dare McWar essentially accuse a fellow US Senator of Treason. There should be an immediate apology for these obnoxious comments.
Obama needs to know what he is facing internationally and to be ready from day one of his presidency and that along with the good ratings he is receiving will get him into the white house. The more John McCain sends negativity at Obama, the more McCain will fail, as did Hillary with her negativity. Take note Mr McCain.
McCain's Straight Talk Express has gone completely over the cliff now.

In Guiliani-like fashion has now become "a Noun, a Verb and the Surge".

Unfortunately, as illustrated on CBS Evening News, he seems to not know what he's talking about OR he's blatantly lying to maintain his point.

Both are bad for him and for the American People
According to CNN, as of July 22, 2008, there have been 4,438 coalition deaths in Iraq - -- 4,124 Americans, two Australians, one Azerbaijani, 176 Britons, 13 Bulgarians, one Czech, seven Danes, two Dutch, two Estonians, one Fijian, five Georgians, one Hungarian, 33 Italians, one Kazakh, one Korean, three Latvian, 22 Poles, three Romanians, five Salvadoran, four Slovaks, 11 Spaniards, two Thai and 18 Ukrainians. They also have a detailed list with names.

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/iraq/forces/casualties/

As of March 2008 there were 8,914 wounded requiring medical air transport. 20,416 wounded did not require medical air transport.

The estimates of Iraqis killed vary wildy, but a September 14, 2007 estimate by ORB (Opinion Research Business), an independent British polling agency, suggests that the total Iraqi violent death toll due to the Iraq War since the US-led invasion is in excess of 1.2 million (1,220,580).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_conflict_in_Iraq_since_2003


In January  2007, Time magazine published the article: A Grim Milestone: 500 Amputees

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1580531,00.html?cnn=yes


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Let’s all stand and applaud George Bush and John McCain for their history making decision to invade Iraq. As you can see, the results have been breathtaking.

Clearly, the success of the surge negates all of the dead and wounded that came before it. How could it be anything other than a victory for America?

It is so sad to watch human life discarded so carelessly, all the while watching the people responsible pat themselves on the back for a job well done with the media’s help.

What have we become?
This is hilarious; the media keep repeating “Why hasn’t Obama given John McCain credit for the surge.” This goes both ways, why hasn’t John McCain given Obama credit for not voting on the unnecessary war?
That McCain attack symbolizes everything wrong with the McCain campaign.

Obviously there is nothing they won't say, when pushed. Even accusations of treason.

Did anyone expect this from McCain? I sure didn't.

It also is dripping with those same stupid generalities Republicans seem to love. Winning-losing... after so many years of this dumb adventure, isn't it time the Republicans define what winning and losing mean? And not in vague terms, but in some way so that us lowly common folk can actually tell when we're there.

For instance, now that the Iraqi government is telling us to get out of their country, does that constitute a win or a loss?
Has anyone noticed General Petraeus' political ambitions?
Triple post Dem to Independent, that means you're buying the beer tonight. We'll show you how to work the submit key too.
This is hilarious; the media keep repeating “Why hasn’t Obama given John McCain credit for the surge.” This goes both ways, why hasn’t John McCain given Obama credit for not voting on the unnecessary war?
Gigi

Do you read what you write? 'Credit for not voting'? Obama was a bottom feeder state senator in a corrupt state when the vote was taken. Much has changed since then, but Obama is still a bottom feeder.
If the national media is in Obama's pocket -- why was the latest McCain gaffe on the CBS floor instead of broadcast? 'Splain that!
Chris, I sincerely believe that once they actually started a one on one debate Sen. McCain's fate will be sealed. He is not as quick a study and the age difference is going to be very powerful. Sen. Obama is going to show that he can change gears much more quickly than Sen. McCain. He is very well versed on politics of both parties and the pluses and minuses of the Rep. & Dem back to Lincoln as well as he's a history buff of Washington, Jefferson and Hamilton. He understand that economy is tied to social development. Globalization is here to stay and what benefits the 3rd world will benefit everyone.
He does not see governments/ countries/ dictators as evil as much as outcast and that they can be motivated by economy to come into the fold. Carrot and Stick is every bit as powerful as "I will blow you to pieces"
Dear FullMoon;  if you think Obama is full of hot air, What is old Senile Mr. McGoo?  Read some of Mr. McGoo's Gaffes,  each day he gets alittle more senile.
Meanwhile, the New York Times’ Tom Friedman says both McCain and Obama are right about Iraq.
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The pundits are all bemoaning the fact in unison that McCain isn't getting credit for the "success" of the surge, thereby giving him credit for the success of the surge.

The credit is undeserved. As Obama said during one press conference, the surge was only one factor and according to Ronald Reagan's former Assistant Sec. of Defense, Lawrence Korb, it was not the most important one. The most important factor by far was the "Sunni Awakening" that added almost 100,000 men many of which had been fighting Americans, to the fight against Al Qaeda.

That's why McCain "misspoke" about when the Sunni Awakening began. It was another of his lies of convenience; he still doesn't seem to know that "the google" can get him into trouble when he lies.

But some in the media are circling the wagons around McCain, as usual when he makes a fool of himself. The AP (Always Propaganda) reported that Obama refused to acknowledge the "success" of the surge, and didn't mention his own explanation about how the Sunni Awakening was a major factor in the decrease in violence in Iraq. The omission made Obama sound obstinate and petty when the truth is that he was absolutely correct about the situation that McCain lied about. Just another day in the wonderful world of corporate media.
I am a loyal Obama supporter and a lifelong Democrat, but I have always liked Senator McCain.  I just wish he would campaign as his "true self."  McCain is a guy who really does work with both Democrats and Republicans.  He has always shown respect to his fellow senators.  Now, his straight talk express has derailed.  He is hinting that Senator Obama is not patriotic by suggesting Obama wants to lose wars.  I really believe that McCain does not believe this, but his advisers are telling him what to say.  McCain should remember the Hillary Clinton campaign.  She was losing badly because of her listening to her advisors.  Once Hillary took charge and called the shots, she started winning.  McCain be your true self, that's the person America likes.  McCain, you are your best advisor.  Take control of your campaign.  
Putin said it correctly over 5 years ago....
..attacking Iraq will destabilize that region.."
Yes we have destabilized that region by attacking Iraq...and we are responsible....will more death be the solution?..If so vote for Hellboy...if not vote for Obama
John McCain - Is failing to realize that it's not the Media's fault that he is unpopular.

The more John McCain talks the more he subtracts the sum of human knowledge.

He has to realize it is HE; that creates his own demise.  Not the Media, Not the Democrats, and at this stage to some degree - not even George Bush.

John McCain is just not Presidential material - he's too set in his old way and has an old mind set.

He doesn't understand that after George Bush - America is under a new transformation - with newer ideas and greater expectations.  

Most American don't see transformation happening with John McCain -

Barack Obama - is the new wave "if you will" the intelligent man - that fits the younger generation of American (18 - 60) and John McCain he is not a person our generation.

John McCain’s whining - blaming the media and also his resulting to telling lies in his advertisements – Is a sign of desperation – he’s looking for help in any way possible.

These are the times of intellectual common - sense.

Not continued false or idiotic notions.

Thank you and GOD BLESS AMERICA
WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE MORALS IN THIS COUNTRY? wE ARE CLOSE TO ELECTING A MAN WHO HAS RUN NOTHING BUT HIS MOUTH OVER A WAR HERO THAT WAS TORTURED FOR 5 YEARS.  MAYBE OBAMA S MINISTER WAS RIGHT=NOT GOD BLESS AMERICA BUT GOD D---- AMERICA, THATS WHAT I SAY IF HE IS ELECTED.
What makes mccain think he is responsible and takes credit for the surge? Simply because he ran his ignorant mouth about it? He claims he knows how to win wars, which one did he win? Does he think America wants to stay in wars of choice, while American infrastructure crumbles? If the Iraquis want us out of their country, is he going to refuse to leave? I think mccain is truly mentally ill.
I am so SICk of McShame. He whines and attacks Obama on issues that have nothing to do with this election.
I win, I am right etc. McShame shows over and over how Dumb he really is. There is more nuance to foreign policy except winning and losing McShame. Anyone who votes for this moron has o have his or her head examined after 8 years of GOP rule.
It is so unfortunate and disgusting to see the McCain team to take on all the attributes of the Rovian attack /lie style. Gutter politics which describe political opponents as "enemies" is the way of Limbaugh, Rove, Cheney et all...   McCain = McSame
Even McCain's supporters are getting desperate.  Instead of supporting their candidate with praise, they pile on generalized, idiotic and unsubstantiated attacks against Senator Obama.

Senator Obama is showing that he can stand up and talk with our friends and our enemies worldwide.  He is doing so with intelligence and knowledge.  Senator McCain and his staff thought that he would fail, but he is excelling instead.

What happened to leading a positive campaign?  I guess if you are McCain you would rather sell out the American pubic and do or say anything to win (the gas prices are Senator Obama's fault?).  Wait, isn't that worse than treason?
Nashville_fan has it exactly right. McSame can't take credit for the surge without taking blame for the War. He wants Obama to admit the surge worked? How about he admits the War was wrong in the first place!
Why does the McCain campaign continue to say that Senator Obama is ignoring the success of the surge, when that's not true?

Is anybody gonna call them on it?

Is anybody gonna call them on ANY of their lies?

Geez.

P.S. I love how you bury John McCain's latest demonstration that he doesn't know what the hell he is talking about deeeeeeeep in the article with the ironinc lead in "Another McCain gaffe?" as if there is some question about it all.

Just like you're all still reporting that Iraqi President Maliki "apparently" endorsed Obama's withdrawal plan when he DEFINITELY did.

What's my point?

The media is a joke. (Too bad it's not a funny one.)
I for one think that Mccain has lost is cool by almost calling senator Obama unpatriotic and a traitor and as yet to debate and wonder if he will lose it completly during one of those
The media needs to expose the itellecxtual fraud that MCain is.  Hillary msirepresnted her recollection of trip to Bosnia and she was hammered.

McCain continues to show his ignorance...no wonder her needed so many trips to the middleast and still he gets his facts wrong!!!!

Now McCain wants to change history, doesn't know the relationship between Iraq and Afaghanstan, don't know who the sunnis and the shiites are...I think he needs a few more trips to the middleast to refine his credentials.

The only sad part is that McCain has been making these tours using the tax payers' money...I think he owes Americans a refund...if after all these trips he can't get the facts, geography, strategym and history right he needs to reimburse us for the money he spent on this trips.
Dear John, SHUT UP
McCain needs to take his memory pills before talking to the camera. Maybe it will help.
YO Gregory, Pretty obvious uh.
Let’s all stand and applaud George Bush and John McCain for their history making decision to invade Iraq. As you can see, the results have been breathtaking.
NashvilleFan


Getting a new democracy in the middle east doesn't impress you? I guess Clinton signing phony treaties with Arafat was your cup of tea perhaps? Stability in that region of the world has been lacking for 50 years. The war in Iraq is an attempt to reverse that. And I would call that breathtaking.
Prevention is better than cure. We should not be talking about whether the surge worked or not but whether we shouldn't have been there in the first place.
The difference between these two candidates and their campaigns is striking:  Obama is running like a man preparing and studying for his next job; meanwhile you have McCain and Co running silly and petty ads that look like they were put together by a highschool kid on YouTube.  And honestly, not even that good.
Mc Cain should be carefull about what he ask for (more media coverage). He just might get it.
As soon as I read this piece, I knew I'd comment, and then I was pleasantly surprised to see all the comments already touching on my issue.  "Another gaffe?"  Please.  Why isn't the "undivided Jerusalem" comment a gaffe?  True, Obama is a little more measured in his comments and I think probably has had less gaffes overall, but I wouldn't trust you three to tell me.  Generally though, it's not that you're harsh on McCain--you treat him like any other candidate--it's just that you clearly have this grand narrative of the Obama campaign, and of this recent trip especially.  

And I say all this being a huge liberal and Obama supporter.  But really, please say what you think of how this constant bias in favor of the Democratic nominee affects your credibility?  I heard a pundit say recently that people aren't moved by arguments about media bias.  Do you guys bet on that?  My other question is, are you aware of your bias or is it only apparent later?  
I can`t just come to terms that Americans want to cast their future in the hands of an old grumpy uncivil illiterate man.The only "potus" this man has is a POW experience if you go through his biography.Are Americans sick that they can`t distinguish between "reason" and "prime".Obama really gives us far more credit than we deserve because most fo us are intellectually handicapped.If Obama is a white man even with that his supposed "young stature",people like Rosemary Church will be licking his feet.
Mc Cain should be carefull about what he ask for (more media coverage). He just might get it.
What would McCain know about winning a war?

Setting an aircraft carrier on fire - that's different. That he knows about.

WHATS HAPPENED TO THE MORALS IN THIS COUNTRY?
DAVID ANDERS, TEXAS (Sent Wednesday, July 23, 2008 10:01 AM)

David, breath.
A little under 1/2 the people that voted in 2000 and 2004 have sat back patiently watching while Bush and the rubber stamp GOP payed out enough rope to hang them all and then proceeded without hesitation to carry out that self hanging. Roves dream (our nightmare) of a permanent Republican majority will never come to fruition.
If Obama wins and the Democratic victories in Congress are as large as predicted then you can be in the loyal opposition. Isn't that special? Its fun! You'll see.
Let's not forget what the dunce in chief stated---"We will leave when they ask us to", and I don't mean the "surge force" neither. To the McDunce and dunce in chief crowd, when are you going to commit to actually doing what you say.  Oh I forgot the economy has a hangover!!!!!!
"wE ARE CLOSE TO ELECTING A MAN WHO HAS RUN NOTHING BUT HIS MOUTH OVER A WAR HERO THAT WAS TORTURED FOR 5 YEARS."
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So he's more qualified to be president because he was tortured for 5 years? Funny, I didn't know that being able to endure torture was a qualification for president or had ANYTHING to do with running the country. To be totally honest, I think McCain's POW experience has screwed up his view of things. He's on a revenge kick - we lost the only war he fought in, so now he's desperate to get that victory that eluded him so many years ago.

Hasn't anyone noticed that McCain talks about "victory & honor" more than "safety & justice"??? That's because this is about ego with McCain, he's desperate to prove that he can WIN (because he's only experienced defeat before). And his vision of 'victory' seems to be the enemy coming out of the bushes, dropping their weapons and falling to their knees saying "We surrender oh Great President McCain. You have soundly defeated and shamed us. Your victory is magnificent!" Well, that ain't gonna happen, which is why, under his control, this would be an endless war.

The reality is we went in there, took out Saddam, put him on trial, and executed him. To now leave and hand the country over to its new government - that we put in place - is as close to 'victory' as we'll ever get.
OMG. You have got to be kidding me. Is your name really 'Crystal Methe?' And if it is your moniker why on earth would I listen to your position by selecting a name that represents so much pain and suffering.



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