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'No We Won't'?

Posted: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 5:03 PM by Domenico Montanaro
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From NBC/NJ's Adam Aigner-Treworgy
WILKES-BARRE, Pa. -- McCain spent most of his prepared remarks discussing the two issues he has made the center of his week: (even at fundraisers) energy and Iraq. On Iraq he reiterated some of his attacks on Obama that have become mainstays of this week, including another pointed use of the ‘he’d rather win an election than win a war’ line and answered a couple questions on how the Iraqi police are still not well-trained enough to secure their own country.

He also hit Obama on his refusal to accept any of McCain’s energy policies – "No We Won’t" instead of "Yes We Can."

Also, McCain is no longer going to New Orleans to meet with Bobby Jindal, but traveling to Columbus, Ohio, instead.

McCain also complimented his former House colleague and “beloved friend” Tom Ridge, who did not appear to be present: “A Vietnam veteran, a person, one of the few graduates of Harvard who was drafted and went and served in the Vietnam War, first head of -- you know all about Tom Ridge, uh, I think he’s one of the ideal Americans that I have ever known. I have to tell you his most unfavorite joke, which I tell all the time about the two inmates in the chow line at the state prison….”

Some excerpts from McCain's town hall:
On Obama and his seal: "Now, Senator Obama doesn't want to drill off shore. Senator Obama doesn't want nuclear power. He doesn't want to reprocess spent nuclear fuel. He doesn't want to store spent nuclear fuel. My friends, you might have seen the other day he had one of these, he had remarkably, a presidential seal, and in Latin it said something like, 'Yes we can.' I think he should change that to, 'No we won't.'"

On Iraq: “When people said, you supporting 30,000 more troops and a new strategy that your candidacy is doomed to failure. I said I would rather lose a campaign than lose a war, and I meant that then and I mean that now. Now, Sen. Obama said that the strategy of the surge would not succeed. He said it was doomed to failure. He said that there would be an increase in sectarian violence. He still to this day has said that the surge has not succeeded. It’s a remarkable, remarkable failure to understand the facts on the ground.

"So apparently Sen. Obama would rather lose a war in order to win a campaign.”

On Israel: "I think to start with the status of Jerusalem would be the subject of negotiations between the Palestinians and the Israeli government. My feeling about Israel today is that they are probably, in many respects, under greater threat than they had been since their independence. We have the Iranians developing nuclear weapons. We all know that. There's ample evidence of it. And unfortunately in the United Nations, the Russians will not join with us in enacting meaningful sanctions against Iran.

On Iraq corruption: “On the issue of Iraq, and I’ll be glad to have another response from you, the Iraqis are taking up more of their responsibilities. There’s corruption in Iraq my friend. It’s not terrible and frankly the corruption is worse in Afghanistan than it is in Iraq. But the Iraqis are taking over more and more of those responsibilities. They are paying for rebuilding of their oil production facilities. They are repaying for large – they are paying for large projects. They need to pay a lot more, and as American troops withdraw, and we will be withdrawing, it just depends on conditions on the ground, than that will be a major factor in reducing our expenses in Iraq.”

McCain's call for change: “What I want to do, is the day that I am elected, not the day I’m inaugurated but the day I’m elected I want to pick up the phone and call the majority leader, who I’ve known for a quarter of a century. I’ve known the speaker of the house. I’ll call both – I’ll say look, I’m going to be in town next week. Let’s sit down together, let’s sit down together and set priorities so that beginning right after the inauguration we’ll hit the ground running. We’ll have a specific agenda and we’ll work for America and I promise you I’ll give you all the credit. I’ll give you all the credit. We need to do that. We have to do it."

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This was no-mistake remember McWar said last week he wants to send more cigarettesto Iran to kill them all. McWar really said that people.
Mean-while back at McWar’s Iranian death camp, McWar pushes his final solution for all Persians and Iranians.
The Mc Pol Pot Regime has a new plan for Iran
McWar now wants to commit genocide on all Iranians and Persians. His new plan includes nicotine gas chambers and giant potash plants for there burned up bodies. This man does not care about human life at all. Just his family fortune and his wealthy lobbyist friends
Why won't they at least pick bring out the storyline of McCain continuing to say that the Surge works, yet fails to acknowledge the Sunni awakening predated it.  Just because he's old doesn't mean he's always right...
Unrelated to Mark Seattle:
I tried to post this where you asked, but of course it didn't make it.  You won't get censored or left off on Newsvine.  They post everything (using etiquette) and you don't "time out".
See you over there!
‘he’d rather win an election than win a war’
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Why is this line not getting much play by the media?  Its FAR FAR FAR worse and nasty as Gen Clark's comment about being a POW is not training for commander and chief.
I don't get it.  He calling Obama a traitor!  That's just nasty and rude. Anyone running for president better do a better job of keeping his temper in check!
"McCain's call for change: “What I want to do, is the day that I am elected, not the day I’m inaugurated but the day I’m elected I want to pick up the phone and call the majority leader, who I’ve known for a quarter of a century. I’ve known the speaker of the house. I’ll call both – I’ll say look, I’m going to be in town next week. Let’s sit down together, let’s sit down together and set priorities so that beginning right after the inauguration we’ll hit the ground running..."

Really? Hey, McCheese - if you have that much power, why not do it now?  If you are so friendly with those in congress, you could...oh, wait.  That's right.  You don't actually want to SHOW UP for work.  Nevermind.
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Ken Price, Blue Island IL (Sent Wednesday, July 23, 2008 12:45 PM)

Oh, please - Chicago and crime go together like PB&J.  No one person is going to change that.
Come to think of it, NY is the same way.  Tell me, did Rudy eliminate all crime in his city?  Last I heard, people were killing each other there as well.  I have even heard cops kill innocent bystanders there!  Tell me again how magical the GOP is...

Mark,Seattle (Sent Wednesday, July 23, 2008 1:26 PM)

I don't know if I am one of the ones that you want to continue to hear from, but I have been posting on HuffPo and Topix (our local news blog).  I've tried blogging on CNN but they are worse than MSNBC at censoring posts.  Have a great day!
No - We Won't - VOTE for obama - he is a FRAUD.
His entire campaign and this trip are staged to perfection - all for show - at our expense.  The media is the main prop in this show.
McCain is a good 2nd choice - at least we can trust him.
I hate when McCain says "my friends", I am absolutley not his friend.  Does he think this will make me like him?  Whatever, it's not working.  
whine...whine...whine....never substance...he's only into complaining.
Anyone who refuses to listen to the top military commanders in a time of war, is just plain stuipd !
Independent Texan (Sent Wednesday, July 23, 2008 1:41 PM)
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Anyone who cant spell stupid is just plain........

The United States military does not make the decisions and does not control the war. The role of the generals on the ground is to advise the commander in chief so he can make the final decision on how to move forward.
The president did not make the final decisions in WWI,WWII,the Korean war,Vietnam,etc? Give me a break man this is barebones, basic constitution. Maybe you need to read up on it a little.
Oh and by the way if you truly believe that Patreus is telling the Bush administration what to do in Iraq then you are truly naive or as you put it stuipd!

Anyone who refuses to listen to the top military commanders in a time of war, is just plain stuipd !
Independent Texan (Sent Wednesday, July 23, 2008 1:41 PM)
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Anyone who cant spell stupid is just plain........

The United States military does not make the decisions and does not control the war. The role of the generals on the ground is to advise the commander in chief so he can make the final decision on how to move forward.
The president did not make the final decisions in WWI,WWII,the Korean war,Vietnam,etc? Give me a break man this is barebones, basic constitution. Maybe you need to read up on it a little.
Oh and by the way if you truly believe that Patreus is telling the Bush administration what to do in Iraq then you are truly naive or as you put it stuipd!

Also, McCain is no longer going to New Orleans to meet with Bobby Jindal, but traveling to Columbus, Ohio, instead.

Is this because of the story regarding the oil rig that McCain was to visit being hit by a rig and spilling some 400,000 gallons of fuel, thus cancelling his trip to the rig to counter Obama's speach in Germany?

http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/7/23/152437/064/496/555797

Check it out for yourself.
Bobby Jindal? He's a Muslim.
Old man yelling.
McCain is dispicable, just sickening.  He said he wanted to have a "different kind of campaign" against Obama, but he can't do it.  He already has stooped to Bush levels as far as the attacks go.  Flat out lies and flip flops don't seem to be a problem for McCain.  Hell, McCain doesn't even have a platform, other than 'attack Obama'.

What is the goal in Iraq John, what is it?!?!?!?!  When will we know that we've "won the war"?  Do you mind putting an actual goal post anywhere in the stadium John?

Or, maybe this is all just a practice run for his next 26 useless years in Congress?  Arizona should be ashamed of this guy and themselves.
Dear God. We'd have another illiterate buffoon in the White House.
Isn't it time for McCain to re-re- re-Launch his campaign.  What is wrong with is campaign?  Of course Obama was going to get the majority of the news cycle so the McCain campaign belittles the press with him (as if they have a choice of the headliner for the day) and then they continue to talk about Iraq.  Instead of changing the subject of where is Obama on the economy?  Why isn't he in America caring about those who have been hurt by the housing market.....

A poor run campaign by McCain versus a well run campaing by Obama should not blame the media for McCain's continued slide in polls.
Yeah, that guy, Jindal, his parents are both Muslims.
McCain has lost his mind.

Go Obama
To suggest that a presidential candidate is willing to lose a war and further American lives in order to win the White House is a disgusting attack, on both the candidate and the people who support his stance on the war.  McCain should be ashamed.
McCain has lost his mind.

Go Obama
"I’ve known the speaker of the house. I’ll call both – I’ll say look, I’m going to be in town next week. Let’s sit down together, let’s sit down together and set priorities so that beginning right after the inauguration we’ll hit the ground running. We’ll have a specific agenda and we’ll work for America and I promise you I’ll give you all the credit. I’ll give you all the credit. We need to do that. We have to do it." -Senator McCain

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You've got to be dead if that doesn't bring you to tears .
I think I'm a better candidate for the presidency than McSame.  This guy is awful! Anybody with half a brain better think long and hard before registering a vote for this fella.


OBAMA/BIDEN, 2008!
Regarding his homage to Tom Ridge: Did McCain ever have such kind words for another Harvard grad who was drafted and served in Vietnam, Al Gore?
I can't believe that McCain is so desperate that he'd chosse a Muslim like Jindal for VP.
Apparently it's never occured to John McCain that Barack Obama could possiblybe saying "No" because these are bad ideas?

Oh wait, it has occured to him.  He's just too busy playing puppet for the Oil-mongers to care.
Now that crazy old man wants credit not only for the military surge but all the tactics before it. He needs to give it up & go back out to pasture with 41.


LOL, every president meets the speaker & majority leader. Bush did that, it was a great 2 days of kumbya, then nothing's been don since.

We can avoid all the partisan issues if we have a democratic president. To save their seats they'll be passing stuff left & right.

So now he sounds like a rambling fool... He is fear mongering with regard to Israel, and just talking plan stupid with regards Iraq corruptions and "Change." People know that there is corruption in Irag, its called "Blackwater."  Why else do you think Bush and his crooked cronies want to continue to pump 10 billion dollars a month into Iraq, for the next 100 years.  So that his buddis can run the corruption.  

McCain sounds like a bad landlord that is  about to lose a tenant.
At least it wasn't the 'green screen' of propaganda.  Oh yeah, a lot of folks missed that because, why was it again - Oh, right Obama was responding to the news that he had just become the Dems presumptive nominee.

McCain really owes Obama a huge debt of gratitude.  The fact that the media isn't paying as much attention to McCain has saved his A** on more than one occassion, today alone.

PS.  Why do you have to promise to share credit, are you credit worthy?  What a bizarre commentary.
john mccain you are distorting the truth just a bit.
1st obama said he is in favor of nuclear power only if we can find a safe way to dispose of it.
2nd you keep saying ‘he’d rather win an election than win a war’. this is not true, we already won the war against iraq, when we leave we will not be leaving because we have lost we are leaving because its TIME to leave!!! we can not stay there for ever!!!
3rd reguarding the surge, he said that no matter how many troops we put there, if the people in iraq don't get there act in order it will not work.
4th the reason why Israeli feels greater threat is because we are in the region and its is causing the arabic countrys to feel less safe because of the fact that we are there. for years we as american have tried to impost our beliefs on others and its time to stop that
the war was build on a lie and no matter how you and the republican spin it these are the facts.

so please stop the pandering to the less educated and stop the fear mongering.
also if you want to call the majorty leader of the senate and congress to change thing you don't have to wait till your President, you can do that right now. but you have nothen else to talk about!!! so please do what you wife said you would do and stop the low grade attacks and run for president on your recornd not some one elses!!!

you need to look at how ronald regean ran for president, he made the comment and asked american are you better off now than 4 years ago, the american people answered by electing him, you need to do the said and stop this attack attack!!
running for president is not like fighting a war, because in the end we are all americans!!!
Bad week for McCain.

Hurricane caused oil rigs to be evacuated the same week McCain planned to visit one.

Also, oil spill caused the miles around New Orleans to be closed.

I guess these incidents are why McCain opposed off shore drilling for 26 years until he was trailing in the polls.
Obama is acting and appearing presidential. McCain is
doing vaudeville without a straight man (Lou Abbott for V.P.!). McCain has been a lousy senator (I live in Arizona) in the pocket of lobbyists. He got the nomination because the others self-destructed.


 
Dream on, McCain, the American electorate is smarter than you think!  We have had enough of the likes of you for the past 7 years.  I would hope that something positive would come out of that mean mouth just once.  But, I have given up.  This republican is voting for Senator Obama!
He also hit Obama on his refusal to accept any of McCain’s energy policies – "No We Won’t" instead of "Yes We Can."

Why would Obama accept any of your energy policies. He doesn't have to. That is why he is the opposition. McCain get over yourself.
McLame canceled his afternoon press availability today. Seems like he is afraid to confront the press about his colossal blunder with the surge vs anbar awakening confusion. He is a cut and run coward; talks much BS, but when called on his fabrications he runs like a scared rabbit. Some "war hero".
Now this idiot if claiming that Bush's relaxing the offshore drilling access caused the oil barrel price drop. All the while he ignores decreased consumption because of the ridiculous prices.
McLame/Bush is an incompetent fool that has only profited by nepotism and infidelity. What a fraud.
When it comes to McCain's Policies, you're damned right No We Won't.
THIS MAN HAS SPENT HIS ENTIRE WEEK BASHING SEN. OBAMA, WITH ENVY AND JEALOUSLY...............

HE GOT WHAT HE ASKED FOR.  MCCAIN HAS MADE 17 REPEAT TRIPS OVERSEAS ON OUR THE TAXPAYERS MONEY..........WHY AND SEN. OBAMA GOES ONCE AND THE LEADERS REALLY APPRECIATE A POTENTIAL PRESIDENT WHO IS ACTUAL PRESIDENIAL, NOT ANGRY........DOESN'T BASH .......ACTUALLY HAS SUBSTANCE VS. BASHING AND BLAMING ALL HIS PROBLEMS ON HIS OPPONENT............

SEN. MCCAIN SHOULD SPEND HIS TIME SELECTING SOMEONE OTHER THAN THE ARCHITECT OF THE SUBPRIME MORTGAGE MELTDOWN, THE ELECTRICITY CRISIS IN CALIF AND OF THE ENRON LOOPEHOLE......................JUDGEMENT...........REALLY AND MCCAIN CHOSE THOSE TO LEAD HIM AND ADVICE HIM WHO PUT US IN THIS MESS FOR GREED AND POWER...............

MCCAIN RICH MCCAIN REALLY DOESN'T GET IT AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE CANNOT BE FOOLED NOT WITH ALL THE GREAT PRESS WHO WON'T EXPOSE HIS FLIP/FLOPE AND WHO WON'T ASK HIM................................WHY HE CONSIDERS HIMSELF AN EXPERT IN NATIONAL SECURITY AND FOREIGN POLICY....................HIS LACK OF LEADERSHIP IN CONGRESS, SITTING WHILE WE GOT INTO THIS RECESSION FOR 3+ DECADES AND NOT HAVING ANY SOLUTION NOW OR PRIOR IS NOT ..................LEADERSHIP MATERIAL LET ALONE SOMEONE WHO SHOULD RUN THIS COUNTRY FURTHER INTO THE GROUND PANDERING THE RICH WHILE ROBBING THE POOR AND THE WORKING MIDDLE CLASS.
What happened to his pledge to run a respectful campaign?
Sorry McCain. No we won't vote for you and "yes we will" put Obama in the Whitehouse.  
Wasn't the seal in and out over a month ago? He's still steamed about it? Way to stay on message, McCain.

"No we won't" is not as clever as "Yes she will" was.

I wish First Read hadn't cut off the prison inmate joke. I wonder if it's as good as 'gorilla rape' or 'Janet Reno is Chelsea Clinton's father'.

He has one issue. Let me rephrase that, he has a fraction of an issue. He can't really claim that the Iraq war is a total success when you add in everything that's happened since the beginning, and he can't truly embrace troop withdrawal yet, so looks like he's pinning everything on "the surge". Of course, he even butchered the Anbar timeframe, so his credibility on that is wavering.

He's a desperate man. He knows he screwed up and he's grasping at straws.



Oh, man.  This guy is so negative and full of it. I liked him in 2000, but, he is WAY off the farm, now.
Did the prison inmates in McCain's joke rape anyone?
John McCain, the complainer and whiner complained about his Depends diapers for adults as well.
"McCain is no longer going to New Orleans to meet with Bobby Jindal, but traveling to Columbus, Ohio, instead."

Gee, this wouldn't have anything to do with the big oil spill in the Mississippi River just south of New Orleans, would it?  Would a big oil slick muddy the "Let's get to drilling!" charge?

Or, is it Option 2:  Bobby Jindal is screening his calls, and McCain keeps getting the voice mail?  Despite his GOP-ness, Bobby is smart enough to see the writing on the wall.  He won't jump aboard this sinking ship.  He (unlike McCain) still has a shot at future GOP leadership- once they clean house.
He is just a sick tired old man. Thats all he has, feeble atacks. He can't do anything but look confused. As a republican i find him, and all of it turning me red faced.
So thats my sorry. Sorry I'm going democratic this year as all disapointed republicans should.
Just consider voting Democratic as voting American this year and maybe it won't feel so bad.
If McCain had any real courage he'd come right out and call Obama a traitor instead of simply inferring it. Respect my a**.
This candicacy is becoming an embarresment.  His REAL friends should sit him down and explain how he looks when he babbles off.  They should give him a script and he should STICK to it until the election is over.
Save what is left of his dignity.  As the campaign reves up... it's going to be really sad to see the Republicans throw this man under the bus because he's just not qualified to lead the free world.  No sin to be unqualified...just real inconveinent!
This candicacy is becoming an embarresment.  His REAL friends should sit him down and explain how he looks when he babbles off.  They should give him a script and he should STICK to it until the election is over.
Save what is left of his dignity.  As the campaign reves up... it's going to be really sad to see the Republicans throw this man under the bus because he's just not qualified to lead the free world.  No sin to be unqualified...just real inconveinent!
Cut and run McLame cancels his weekly press conference:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/23/mccain-on-the-run-cancels_n_114539.html
The major Sunni sheik that McLame mentioned last night in the C(much)BS interview as being protected by the "surge" and subsequently led the "Anbar Awakening" "after the surge started" was killed by AlQaeda in the midst of the surge:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/23/anbar-shiek-cited-by-mcca_n_114581.html
No one in the MSM called McLame on the obvious confusion. McLame lacks the fundamental knowledge base for effective foreign policy. No wonder he would have flunked out of the Naval academy if it wasn't for daddy admiral.
McLame's career has been built on nepotism and infidelity. He is a fraud that should never be allowed to set foot in Washington again. Since he hasn't casted a vote in the Senate in over a year, that part should be easy.
Yawnnnnnnnnnnnn.
losing over 3,0000
men and women in uniform mcwar think is a success,have you considered the suffering verious left behind kids and their mom's are going through?come on we lost this war years ago mcwar.


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