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McCain hits Obama hard on the surge

Posted: Friday, July 25, 2008 3:58 PM by Mark Murray
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From NBC/NJ's Adam Aigner-Treworgy
DENVER, CO -- McCain gave a speech here today at the American GI Forum National Convention that served as a wide-ranging defense of his position on the Iraq war -- as well as a biting condemnation of Obama’s war policy.

“Sen. Obama and I also faced a decision, which amounted to a real-time test for a future commander-in-chief,” McCain said of the 2007 debate over the surge. “America passed that test. I believe that my judgment passed that test. And I believe that Sen. Obama's failed.”

According to McCain, American voters should look at how the two candidates’ handled that decision and use that to make their decisions in November. “Because of the choice we made and all the surge has accomplished, the time will soon come when our troops can come home,” he said.

“But we face another choice today. We can withdraw when we have secured the peace and the gains we have sacrificed so much to achieve are safe. Or we can follow Sen. Obama's unconditional withdrawal and risk losing the peace even if that results in spreading violence and a third Iraq war. Sen. Obama has suggested he would consider sending troops back if that happened. When I bring them home in victory and with honor, they are staying home.”

In response to McCain's remarks, the Obama campaign released this statement from former Nebraska Sen. Bob Kerrey, who like McCain is a Vietnam vet. "As is often the case in politics, the most important questions do not get debated while the most trivial ones are pushed front and center. Such is the case with the current attacks by Sen. McCain's supporters purporting that Sen. Obama's failure to support the surge demonstrates he has been wrong on this important foreign policy question," Kerrey said.

"Assessing all facts available to us today, Sen. Obama's judgment six years ago looks a whole lot better today than either Sen. McCain's or mine was back then.
 
McCain’s declaration last week that the surge has succeeded has led him to become increasingly optimistic about future troop withdrawals, meaning that he is now emphasizing the criteria for such withdrawal as the major distinction between himself and his opponent. Today, he predicted that American “forces will be out of regular combat operations and dramatically reduced in number during the term of the next president of the United States,” but McCain pressed that this will only happen if such withdrawals are predicated on commanders.

While Obama is traveling overseas -- doing his best to appear ready for the White House -- McCain used his speech today to try argue that Obama’s positions on the war are far from presidential: “Sen. Obama said just this week that even knowing what he knows today that he would still, still would have opposed the surge. In retrospect, given the opportunity to choose between failure and success, he chose failure. I cannot conceive of a commander-in-chief making that choice."

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Is that all he thinks about? Surge Surge Suuuuuurge!!!
Hello....anybody....?  Could someone close to McCain inform him that he is not running for war czar and there might be some other things that are important?  Like a 121% increase in home foreclosures?  Could you do that...thanks.

Trying again MI Chick:  I have Paint/Quarter Horses, I tack up daily, except for today when the farrier was here.  I enjoy your posts too.
A bank is being robbed, and the thieves are not succeeding as they would like. One of the robbers realizes that more guns would increase the chances for success of the robbery. More hired guns arrive and things go more smoothly. Has the robbery been transformed into a good idea, or is it still a crime?
Looks like we need to keep asking the RIGHT question: WHO voted for the war in the first place, who voted against it?????? If we hadn't gone in the first place, the surge would be a moot point, don't you think?
Oh geezz here we go again with McSurge. This guy is to funny with this "surge" thing.
Firget the label of "politician". I am losing respect for John McCain, the "man".

Surge mccain, surge mccain...sounds just like rudy 9/11 rudy 9/11. The country and Americans are facing very serious problems, and all this clown can hack up is "surge, surge surge".  Man, give it a rest!
“Sen. Obama and I also faced a decision, which amounted to a real-time test for a future commander-in-chief,” McCain said of the 2007 debate over the surge. “America passed that test. I believe that my judgment passed that test. And I believe that Sen. Obama's failed.” NO JOHN YOU FAIL THE TEST, BY VOTING FOR THE WAR!!! YOU FAILED AS YOU DID AT THE NAVAL ACADMEY, IF YOU WOULD HAVE READ THE INTELIGANCE REPORTS AND NOT JUST TRUSTED YOUR BUDDY THE PRESIDENT WE WOULD NOT NEEDED THE SURGE, JOHN MCCAIN BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE NOT BEEN THERE,M AS AS FOR THE SURGE YOU WANT TO TAKE CREDIT FOR THE SURGE IN IRAQ, THEN YOU FAILED TO SEE THAT AFGANSTAIN NEED A SURGE THERE, SO ON 2 FRONTS YOU FAILED!!!!!
JOHN MCCAIN YOUR SICK!!!
If Senator Obama's ability to deliver a moving, inspirational speech does not give credibility to his canidacy for president, then neither does mccain's past experience of being a pow.   Mccain can't give a moving speech at all.  He dictates townhalls and makes snide remarks. I want current, applicable skills in my president.  Senator Obama has substance and ability to speak.  He's a win-win in my book.

Mccain is a bitter has-been.  He is mean and abusive towards Senator Obama, just imagine how he will be in the White House. He calls his wife a cun*.  He is not the man I want as my leader.  The republicans have major boo-booed with this guy.
The fact of the matter is Senator McCain, You DID choose failure when you voted for, supported, cheerled and otherwise accommodated the worst foreign policy MISTAKE, DISASTER, SCREW-Up, pick your adjective, in this Nations history.
That along with your advanced age, your unstable temperament and your apparent social tone deafness make you unsuitable for the Presidency. You accuse Senator Obama of not being able to admit a mistake but you steadfastly refuse to admit the mistake of the original invasion of Iraq.
Thank you for your service Senator, sincerely. But this nation cannot afford 4-8 more years of ineptitude.
Go Home.
with all this demanding that Obama admit the surge has succeeded and he was wrong...

can someone tell me when McCain will apologize to the American people to being WRONG and supporting a war that's destinct purpose has been debunked over and over again....We're all waiting McCain!

And it'd be nice if you guys in the media happen to mention that little tidbit occassionally when you talk about the Obama/Surge story....
When is the punditocracy going to badger McCain into admitting his support of the war was a big mistake like they're trying to badger Obama into "admitting" that his opposition to the surge was a mistake (which arguably it was not, given several more important factors in the decrease in violence in recent months).

I guess the media doesn't have time for that because they're too busy spreading their latest anti-Obama slur: that he's too arrogant (read "uppity") just because he doubled down on McCain's dare to go to Iraq and came home with photos of him with cheering troops and with a huge crowd of German citizens, elated to see an American leader who for the first time in 8 years is not a complete idiot like the current predient or the GOP's heir apparent for the next dolt-in-chief: John Sydney McCain (the surge began before the surge began).
Why would the American GI Forum National Convention invites this traitor to speak when he voted AGAINST the GI Bill, then lied about it and said he did when it passed in Congress? They should have run him off the stage.
John McCain continues to focus on the "surge" and now he think the American people should use that to determine who the President should be?

What a loser? A Commander -in- chief is a sub title to the President.  

If you want to be in - charge of the military.  Get out of retirement and put on your uniform and try to become Joint Chief of Staff.

America needs more than just a CIC.  We need a President - that can focus on all issue facing America - not just the war in Iraq and a surge and apparently and evidently you are not capable of focusing on anything else.

By the way - a surge for a war that most American don't want.  

This man _ John McCain is despicable...He's just like George Bush - He thinks because he says it - it is real and should happen.

No John McCain - we think you are wrong and Barack Obama is right - and you will not be our President.

Thank you and GOD BLESS AMERICA
So Ken (Sent Friday, July 25, 2008 4:07 PM)

Great analogy! Easy to relate in a discussion and liable to create an awkward silence.
Not mentioned here is McCain's underhanded snipe using a play on the title of Senator Obama's book "The Audacity of Hope" calling Senator Obama's disagreement with the  (preempted by the Iraqi people so it was meaningless) surge "The Audacity of Hopelessness."  

This old man is mean spirited and angry and is clearly showing that he does not have the temperament to be POTUS.  Why does he keep pushing this surge garbage when it has been shown that it did nothing but back up something that was already in progress?  It takes away from the accomplishment of the Iraqi people that they were able to set aside their differences and fight Al Quaeda on their own.  How about we give credit where credit is due instead of trying to take credit for everything that happens there?  McCain needs to let this one die before it starts to eat him up and the election spits him out.  I'm not voting for him anymore.
How many times did the crazy old coot laugh at his own jokes today?
Sen. Obama's unconditional withdrawal

Penguin:  You're still pretty snarky.  Maybe you'd better stay a little longer with the Dali Lama in Aspen on your way to Sedona, Mr. Average American in the Cheese Aisle.
McSurge is unbelievable ... all that after he mixed up every conceivable fact about the surge (and the surge before the surge .. in first major conflict after 9/11 ...never mind Afghanistan).

Old man yells at cloud!
Same old stuff, different day.  
What I don't get is that we have no idea if we threatened to leave earlier, if the Iraqi govt would have gotten its act together. And how come the surge just worked and we won just on the week Obama goes to Iraq? Why didn't they declare victory a couple weeks ago? The ONLY thing that changed is that it is apparent Obama will be president and will be pulling us out of Iraq, and that's what the Iraqis want too! This is their chance to escape the clutches of the likes of McCain, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Pearle, Wolfowitz and the rest of those Neo Cons so they took full advantage!!
Voted for the war based on lies, bad intelligence and fear-mongering.

Was for the "surge" strategy which now he can't even define. Senator, it was an escalation of troop levels in Iraq necessitated by the fact we were unable to control the violence and were losing the war.  The surge was also executed as a means to buy time to allow political recionciliation in Iraq. In conjunction with the surge we started a "Sons of Iraq"
progam in which we paid the Sunni's who were fighting us billions of dollars to stop.

The surge and associated programs decreased violence in Iraq.  The political portion has not come close to anything we can call sucessful.  

McCain supported the change in strategy, he did not plan it nor execute it.  I am tired of him taking credit for the sacrifices and work of others.

As for judgement...no war, no surge.  If you want to rewrite history or focus on just one portion of it then McCain should have never voted for the war! That is the judgement need by our next POTUS.








It seems that despite promising to run an "honorable campaign" all John McCain can do is take cheap shots at Barack Obama.  It's really a disgrace. Can anybody point to one positive thing that John McCain has had to say about anything in the past week?

Besides, McCain's record on the war and veterans affairs aren't exactly sparkling.  Despite all of the bogus justifications and fear-mongering of the Bush Administration, McCain was one of the Iraq War's biggest cheerleaders.  Needless to say, the war has been a tragic disastrous costs, both in lives and treasure.

He also voted against numerous measures to provide increased funding veterans' health care, including Jim Webb's GI Bill.  And as a leading member of the Armed Services Committee, McCain failed miserably in providing oversight to prevent the despicable conditions at Walter Reed.
Correct me if I'm wrong -- but hasn't the imaginary Commander In Chief test been debunked? --Senator McCain's handlers are not doing a very good job of preparing a winning strategy. I agree with those who have said we are NOT a Military State - And then again what is his definition of "surge" -- Geez
Dearest John McCain:

I have tried to be tactful.

I have tried to be patient.

I have given you the benefit of the doubt, repeatedly.

But I must now say, that John McCain may be the most obstinate, mean-spirited, disingenuous, arrogant, dishonest, deceptive, forgetful, and down right creepy person that the GOP has ever propped up and ran for President of the United States.

The way that John McCain has PIMPED out his military service, and the Generals who have run the war for his political benefit is nothing short of SHAMELESS.

The media may not report it, but it doesn't change the fact - John McCain is unfit to serve and unprepared to lead.
Surge, surge, surge. Hagel told McCain to stop talking about it. McCain can't let it go.  Why?  Rigidity in thinking. McCain will be stuck on this topic for months, maybe until after the troops come home.  It is an example of how current events have passed him by.  Obama, Maliki, Bush, American people are ready to talk about some troops coming home, other troups going to Afghanistan.  Dementia will cause a person to remain stuck or fixated on something without seeing change or being able to move on to another topic.  Too bad...McCain is becoming a man yelling at clouds.  
RIGHT question: WHO voted for the war in the first place, who voted against it??????
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McCain, and a majority of both Republican and Democrats voted for the war. It was necessary, and you following the Olbermann Doctrine view of things isn't going to change it.

Obama did not vote against the war. He was two-bit state senator at the time, and to my knowledge, the Illinois senate didn't have much responsibility for choosing to go to war or not.

Lastly, grow up. The complaining from the left in this country is about as mature as watching Olbermann and Matthews debate who is the bigger idiot. (The answer is both).
This guy is like Nixon without the charisma and warm personality.
Hey, now, still need that report on Novak.  Did the pedestrian he hit and then drove away from damage his Corvette?  Kinda worried about the Bobster.
Just a reminder....Obama wasn't in the senate to vote or not vote on the war.  Also, whomever he chooses for VP, Biden, Clinton, Edwards voted for the war.  It is the votes afterward that matters.  Obama didn't vote to stop the funding.  He took his opinion and put it in his back pocket until he started running for office than it's "I was against the war".  He wasn't anywhere near the voting floor half the time...at least tell it like it is.  The surge like it or not worked!!!
OH NO here we go again with the "Commander-in-Chief" test!
Weren't we down this road before.
Can someone tell John McCain that it's old news come up with something new!
Hey John McCain, so why was it that you left your first wife for current wife? Oh I see cause wify number 2 is rich!


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