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Domenico Montanaro, NBC News Political Reporter



First thoughts: Raising Kaine

Posted: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 8:59 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, and Domenico Montanaro
*** Raising Kaine: Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine is all the rage today -- with a front-page Washington Post piece saying that he has had “very serious” conversations about possibly becoming Obama’s veep pick, as well as a Politico article that has a source saying that Kaine is “very, very high on the short list.” What’s more, Kaine today just happens to be in Washington (for his WTOP interview at 10:00 am ET). And guess what? Obama’s in DC, too. For all we know, the two are meeting as you read this, or have already met (Obama had a VERY early call time this morning). Kaine’s strengths: He helps with the battleground of Virginia; reinforces Obama’s outside the Beltway message (although part of his state happens to be inside the Beltway); also reinforces Obama’s emphasis on faith (he’s a devout Catholic); speaks fluent Spanish (once serving as a missionary in Honduras); and is close to Obama. Kaine’s weaknesses: He has little name ID across the country; has no national security experience; and it’s debatable how much more support Obama might gain in Virginia with Kaine on the ticket -- given that Mark Warner and Jim Webb are also campaigning for him and given that Kaine’s geographic strength in the state is fairly similar to Obama’s. The Obama campaign isn't one that likes to surprise. Could it be they are sending a signal that Kaine is very likely, and if you don't speak now Dem special interest groupies, forever hold your peace?

VIDEO: NBC's Mark Murray takes a look at the various nation-wide polls and handicaps Obama's vice presidential short list.

*** Gallup, Gallup, Gallup: As many readers know, we're not fans of the Gallup tracking poll and yesterday was more proof why. Gallup has two samples out -- one (the daily tracking) with Obama up eight points and another (conducted for USA Today) with McCain up four points among likely voters and with Obama up three among registered voters. Somehow, technically, one can claim this all falls inside the various margins of error. But it's results like these that should remind us that even good pollsters are struggling to poll this year. This isn't an easy time for a pollster. The Gallup folks are in the charge of the best brand there is in public opinion research. So if they are getting screwy results, that should make you suspect of a lot of results you see, particularly on the state level by folks who claim to be pollsters but haven't been doing this for very long. We continue to recommend to folks that they do their best to get their hands on polling conducted by the campaign pollsters. These are folks who are in the field every day and get paid to get it right, not to get a story.

*** McCain and the health issue: Yesterday's very routine decision to remove a mole was a reminder of just how sensitive the campaign is regarding the health and age issue for McCain. The fact is there are many fair-skinned residents of Arizona who are 30 years younger than McCain that get moles removed out of precaution. But as we noted before, everything health related is under a microscope for McCain. Is it fair? No. And is it a double standard between how health issues are treated with Obama (see his hip deal on Sunday) versus McCain? Yes. It's the nature of the age beast. The health issue popping up yesterday -- just as when VP speculation was heating up -- only adds to McCain's need, potentially, to avoid an unknown and pick a VP that is viewed by the public as ready to be president. And speaking of McCain’s VP pick, do be sure to check out today’s Washington Times, which has some evangelicals who aren’t big fans of Romney being McCain’s choice.

*** Meet Evan Bayh: While Tim Kaine is all the rage today, we also turn our attention to Evan Bayh… He’s the son of former Sen. Birch Bayh, who ran for president in 1976 but -- speaking of veeps -- lost his Senate seat in 1980 to Dan Quayle… Attended elite prep school St. Alban's in Washington, DC, but chose to go to Indiana University for college… Was just 30 in 1986 when he became Indiana Secretary of State; became governor two years later at 32, despite Republicans having controlled the office for 20 years… Has twin 12-year-old boys… By September 2006, he raised $10.6 million for a potential White House run… Was viewed as a centrist Democrat (before it was apparent he was running for president), so he differs with Obama on some issues, particularly abortion. He has voted to ban partial-birth abortions, irritating women's groups, and is what is said to have derailed his chances to be Gore's VP in 2000… Questioned Obama's ability to legislate in March during the primary: "The question is, who is experienced enough, smart enough, tough enough to actually implement those plans? And I just think, look, Barack is a great guy; he's got a lot of strengths. But I find that [Clinton's] seasoning, deep experience, familiarity with these issues, gives us a better chance of getting the job done."

*** This year’s ballot initiatives: In 2004, NBC/NJ’s Carrie Dann notes, some analysts credited Bush’s squeaker win in Ohio to evangelical voters mobilized by opposition to a proposed same-sex marriage ban on the state ballot. Although most experts call that a myth -- discrediting the idea that such ballot initiatives actually boost turnout -- they still note that downballot issues are worth keeping on the radar screen. Initiatives on hot-button topics like affirmative action, gay marriage, stem cell research, and abortion are slated to appear on the 2008 ballots in some of the nation’s most contentious battleground states. Voters in Colorado, for example, will likely have the chance to weigh in on an initiative that would legally redefine fertilized eggs, as well as another that would ban race- and gender- based employment decisions. Same-sex marriage will be under the microscope in California, Arizona, and swing-state Florida (although state law requires its proposed ban to be passed by 60% of the vote in the Sunshine State). Such social-issue measures could put candidates in sticky positions, especially John McCain, who prefers to keep his social-issues stances out of the limelight in lieu of foreign and economic policy.

VIDEO: A Race for the White House panel takes a look at the presidential candidates could employ in three important battleground states: Ohio, Pennsylvania and Michigan.

*** One to watch: But of all the ballot initiatives, Dann adds, here’s one that might be the most interesting as far as potential resonance with real live voters in a crucial swing state: The Ohio Healthy Families Initiative, expected to be approved for the November ballot, would mandate that all companies with more than 25 workers provide seven paid days of sick leave to employees. A recent Quinnipiac poll found that 71% of Ohioans support the sick leave requirement, which is almost identical to one in Obama’s proposed economic plan. Sen. John McCain opposes the measure.

*** On the trail: McCain spends his day in Nevada, attending a local leadership meeting in Reno, holding a town hall in Sparks, and raising money in Incline Village. He then heads to a fundraiser in Englewood, CO. Obama is in DC, where meets with Pakistan’s prime minister, national women leaders, and the House Democratic conference.
 
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Must admit to being shocked at the high position of Kaine on Obama's short list. He could win VA for him, but he brings nothing to the table as far as experience or gravitas. Won't a Kaine selection bring up the experience factor all over again?

And how mad will the Hillary folks be as they look at the list and see no sign of HRC?

http://www.political-buzz.com/
I am confident in Senator Obama's intelligence to pick the right one. I'm really looking forward to the announcement; whenever he decides to unveil it. Judging by his history of running his campaign, it will be flawless.

Andrea on HB last night was actually palpable. I give her credit for standing up to the way the dialogue was heading and reported the truth for once; that there was never a plan to take reporters or cameras to the injured troops visit. I think I like Mike B. better than Matthews.

Joe cheeto brain Scarborough is just sickening. MSNBC...when are you going to get a clue and get him off the air. You have plenty of in-house talent to at least make the morning slot watchable. Please do something about it. PLEASE.
I wish there were standards for polling, or some other method to allow consistent results.  These polls are worse than the BCS computer rankings.  You don't know what their standards and programming codes are.
God bless Governor Tim Kaine. And God bless Senator  Barack Obama. And God bless everybody, one and all, except for those lying Republicans.
All I know about Kaine is I wasn't impressed when he gave the Democratic rebuttal to Bush's state of the Union speech a few years back. I think choosing Kaine would be a mistake, I'd prefer Hagel, Reed, Mark Warner, John Edwards or, yes even HILLARY. I don't think Kaine  is someone who is going to ad much to the ticket, and I AM getting worried about Obama since reading more comments on blogs frequented by more low information type voters. Obama has not sealed the deal with the independents.
Good morning Chuck Todd:

Interesting comment you made this morning about the reality of folks up here in the northeast where you wondered if in fact we are going to tell the truth when polled. You used as an example, Boston, and more specifically, Jim Rice. You could have also used Bill Russell. And Carl Yastrzemski. And Ted Williams. And Roger Clemens. And so on.

Jim Rice played for the Red Sox 30 years ago. He will be the first to tell  you that he wasn’t the most likeable individual back then. He is today an analyst for the Red Sox and very much respected by the fans. There is a movement up here to try and get him into the Hall of Fame.

2008. We have an African American governor, a man who beat Mitt Romney’s Lt. Governor quite handedly.

Pedro Martinez, Manny Ramirez Paul Pierce, David Ortiz, Kevin Garnett are hugely popular by everyone as I’m sure you probably know.

Never in my lifetime did I see an athlete more loved than Pedro. It was literally a nightmare trying to get into a game to see him pitch. I never saw anything like it. The crowds were on their feet standing for practically the entire game, just watching him.

When the Rev. Wright story hit the air waves, I did notice a lack of understanding from 99% of the pundits on the history of race in this country. I thought they all fed into a stereotype. What the Civil Rights Movement was about, sometimes I wonder. Most of the pundits who had an opinion on Reverend Wright, were from his generation. They should have known better.

And they were all from the northeast. So yes, there is something to be said about the northeast. I agree. Although I’m not sure if Washington DC is considered the northeast. Probably not. But it really doesn’t matter. The pundits in DC who are all over tv have pretty good educations. Their behavior was no better than what I have witnessed up here in Boston.

I can’t speak for New Hampshire.  

Will Senator McCain carry the state of Massachusetts? I doubt it.

Keep up the good work. We all appreciate your professionalism.

The National Barack Company (NBC) is not fans of any polls showing their candidate not winning.
"Such social-issue measures could put candidates in sticky positions, especially John McCain, who prefers to keep his social-issues stances out of the limelight in lieu of foreign and economic policy."

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You forget that this is a different John McCain who wants to win at any cost.  He's come out in support of an anti-Affirmative Action initiative on Arizona's ballot...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/28/mccain-tests-the-waters-o_n_115381.html

John McCain 2000 would not vote for John McCain 2008.
The latest USA Today/Gallup poll: “Obama was ahead 47%-44% among registered voters, down from a 6-percentage point lead he had last month. McCain led 49%-45% among likely voters, reversing a 5-point Obama lead among that group. In both cases, the margin of error is +/- 4 points.”
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That's the problem with their polling.  They don't do enough sampling to reduce the margin far enough.  +/- 4% ?!?!  That's a joke.

Since it applies to both numbers that means the 47%-44% Obama/McCain number could also be 51% to 40%, or 43% to 48%.  The 49%-45% McCain over Obama could be 53% to 41% or even 45% - 49%.

I personally put little weight in any poll with a margin of error over 2%.
First off, I'd like to ask Chuck Todd to elaborate on something he said on "Morning Joe" today.  They were talking about the recent Gallup polls.

Chuck said that the people who would vote for Obama weren't paying attention or weren't engaged.  The one who were, were older voters who trend toward McCain.  Could you write a thread on this?  Based on the posts that I read on CNN, HuffPo, and FirstRead, I don't believe that's true.  Please don't tell me that you are of the "Cheetos contingent" regarding your blogging audience.  If you are, be straight up about it.  Thanks.

Second, I was so infuriated last night after watching "Countdown" last night.  Did anyone else feel the same way?  The whole bit about the misleading ads (supported by comments made by Jon Alter [actually on "Verdict"] and Richard Wolffe) by McCain...  

Keith went on to debunk a lot of McCain's stuff that came out over the weekend.  You consveratives will dismiss KO 'cause you think he's a liberal, but he made some good points.  

Beyond his war service, what makes you conservatives think he would be such a good CIC?  Forget why you hate Obama for a minute.  This guy (McCain) can't get out of his own way - he says he's against timetables, then says on CNN they are a good idea, and then denies he ever said it.  Does he realize what century we are in?  C'mon!

Lastly, was Joe picking apart Obama more than usual today or was it just me?  Pat B. was more complimentary toward the Obama campaign that Joe was this AM.  What's up with that?

Anyway - happy Tuesday to you all!
I just don't see Obama winning the Whitehouse without Hillary Clinton.  He needs to come off his high horse and put her on the ticket.  Republicans are not at all afraid of Obama.  Their nightmare was and is Hillary Clinton.  She is the one they know they cannot beat.  So common, Obama, swallow your pride, choose Hillary, and get the Whitehouse back in Dem hands.
I don't know which makes me sadder - all the lies and smears coming out of the McCain campaign, all the American people who believe it, or all the media outlets who willingly spread what they know are lies to further their own interests.

With so many human lives - American and otherwise - hanging in the balance, one would think this election could be more about issues and less about "angles".

Perhaps the saddest part is that regardless of who wins this election, there are so many POWERFUL groups who will continue to work to protect their interests and not the American people.

I believe that Senator Obama will make much needed change in Washington. But I also know that it will never happen unless the American people are vigilant - we have been hoodwinked for so long.
Would Obama choose a reletive Unkown for VP? It dosent make sense that is the one issue he will be fighting in the general.
gallup polls can not and should not be taken seriously.  they have been wrong before and they are obviously wrong now.

Video: McCains response to gay adoption...
http://sensico.wordpress.com/2008/07/27/mccains-response-to-gay-adoption/
or
http://sensico2.blogspot.com/2008/07/my-blogs.html
I really do not care about the bickering back and forth about the veepstakes, Obama needs to pick Hillary, I supported obama from the begining and will in november, but I will be very disappointed if she is not on the ticket, as will many others.  Obama and Clinton will make great strides for America, and make it once again a great nation to live.
I never thought I'd see the day. Larry King asked McCain the obvious questions that everyone else has been too afraid to ask
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/28/mccain.larryking/index.html#cnnSTCText

King is the king of softball interviews & he put the rest of the media to shame last night with a Russert-like ease. McCain's own words did him in.
The claim that there is not much attention to Obama's hip problem to McCain's mole is bias according to the article. This claim makes no sense because you cannot compare a hip strain to a mole from someone who previously has a history of skin cancer. The person's medical history has to be taken into account. The stories discussing the concern of McCain's health regarding the removal of the mole is not bias toward his age. what is bias is that McCain's gaffes are not discussed. he has about 70 gaffes.
again Kaine?

are you kidding

no foreign policy and no way to judge how he views us in the world
no national paltform experience on any issue
2.5 years of a mixed govrenorship
if he takes his virginia goes red down ballot

and the debate the VP debate

I have no doubt McCain picks ridge or romney  if Obama picks Kaine...and this guy would get trashed.
The possibility of Kaine on the ticket is likely one of the reasons for the Virginia GOP's latest effort at voter suppression.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/virginiapolitics/2008/07/frederick_alleges_voter_fraud.html

Dear Chuck,

    I enjoy your commentary on Morning Joe and other programs and think you are the perfect person to follow "our Tim."  I know that you will not agree with my political views here, but am sending them along just to let you know that they are still valid.  This is part of what I wrote in an e-mail to Senator Obama's office today....

      ...On a cold, snowy Sunday in Maine, I drove to our local town office to cast my vote for Mrs. Clinton.  On that day, my vote was among the majority and Mrs. Clinton carried the day in Lisbon.  She also garnered several million additional votes as the primary continued.  For Hillary to not be looked at for the second spot on your ticket, leaves me baffled and feeling disenfranchised.

    I think that you are making a terrible mistake and possibly throwing away your chance to be elected and our chance as members of the Democratic Party to make a difference.  Hillary has proven that she can both change and adapt to new situations as they arise.  As far as our former president, Bill Clinton is concerned, I could not think of any person that I would rather have on my team when events border on the cataclysmic.

    Please give Senator Clinton consideration as your choice for the first woman to be Vice President of the United States.  Some unknown, to me, white man with whom you can play basketball, is not going to encourage me to vote in November....

    Thanks, Chuck, for listening to me.  

                               Sincerely,

                                   Sharron Campbell

Since independent researchers show Obama getting more negative news coverage, let's focus on that.  First a credit to Andrea Mitchell for setting the record straight regarding Obama's non-trip to visit the veterans in Germany.  MSNBC gets a minus for having pundits giving their opinions, when they were not there and didn't have the facts.  
Last night I couldn't grap the mute button fast enough!!  There was Pat Buchanan on Hardball, with no one to counter balance his negative Obama comments. That's two dumb dots for MSNBC in tem minutes.  The third dumb dot goes to Morning Joe.  Personally I watch Harry Smith on CBS, but the first post here this morning is about biased Joe.  Enough already.

Polls comment: Sure I like it when my candidate is ahead, get nervous when it gets close, but aren't we all taking the polls too serious?  If we have to play the polls game...let's stick to State polling. That's really where the action is...And also, if you have to continue being negative with Obama...Fine...But point out the multiple gaffes of McCain. Olbermann has a bias for Obama, is he the counter balance for the rest of MSNBC?  
Kaine is absolutely NOT my favorite pick.  He did the SOU rebuttal, what two years ago?  I was so distracted by his eyebrows I just couldn't focus; but what I heard was a major snoozer.

I listened to the McCain team press call yesterday (POTUS) and Carly Fiorina is a complete kool aid drinking nut job.

I am not an economist but she said the reason the Great Depression occurred was because of RAISING taxes during a recession.  That was her whole point.  Like I said, I am no economist; but I thought the majority of the Great Depression was a direct result of the fallout of the Stock Market.  You know, that other time in history when Wall Street went on a Bender?  Speculating in stocks when the stock value is greater than the assets on the balance sheet is RISKY.  When Bairs & Stearns does it, our government bails them out.  When individuals do it, they are uninformed gamblers.

This was the whole of her economic policy.  I think people should be WAY more afraid of her than they are acting.  She is dangerous and her record at Hewlett Packard was not stellar.
A devote Catholic? it dosent pass the sniff test. I dont know about Kaine but I wonder how he squares the Abortion issue being a devote Catholic in the Democratic Party. Being a Catholic I know where my church stands on that issue and unfortunately there is no room for me in the Democratic Party because of it. That’s why I am a Gosh Darn Independent
Everyday someone else is complaining about Morning Joe and asking he be fired. Why is it so hard for people to realize the power is in THEIR hands. It's as simple as NOT WATCHING. Period. I stopped months ago. I find his sophomorpic attitude distasteful and tuned out. Maybe if more people did that, MSNBC would get the message and replace him. It's a thought.
Why did John McCain oppose the new GI Bill?

Why did John McCain not show up to vote for the new GI Bill?

Why did John McCain take credit for the passage of the new GI Bill?

Why does John McCain keep saying he knows how to win wars? What wars has he ever won?

Why is John McCain running ads criticizing Obama about committee meetings when he as attended ZERO committee meetings in the last session of Congress and has the WORST attendance record in the entire Congress?

Why has John McCain changed his tune from 100 years in Iraq to Barack Obama's timetable of 16 months?

How will John McCain finance his military madness with a growing deficit (largest in history on Republican watch - White House AND Congress) and tax cuts?

How can John McCain get away with saying he was right to support the Iraq War when by his own admission it was mismanaged for FIVE YEARS? How many dead soldiers does it take to equal a problem?
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Will anyone in the media ever ask John McCain a REAL foreign policy question?

I won't hold my breath.
Dosent it scare democrats when their leader says he is an instument of GOD. Sounds just like BUSH didnt god talk to bush and tell him to invade Iraq .Will obamma listen if the people tell him something different than god ? Stay tuned same bat station same bat timesame ole same ole.TELECOMS own OBAMMA
Polls?? Please! It has been apparent that MSM, have tried everything they have in their arsenal to keep this polls as close as possible. This ranges from stupid scrutiny and biased commentary especially by the Joe Scarborough and His Deceit Bandwagon.

Anyway, i have got some good news for the master evil tacticians. After the Obama victory in November, they will lose their job, forced to join the army and you know what, deployed straight to Iraq. Before you know it, their names will be gone in flames.

ITS A LANDSLIDE AND WE ALL KNOW IT
BAM BAM BAM BAM BAM BAM

Obama 08: See Beyond Today, Vote For The Future
Hey guys, how about writing about McCain flip-flopping on taxes and getting heat...from the right:

http://strategy08.wordpress.com/2008/07/29/john-mccain-flip-flops-on-taxes-feels-heat-from-the-right/
I have noticed recently Obama is not really thinking about McSurge and "to surge or not to surge". Though the trip was a great opportunity and success, I think it was just to shut McSurge, the crew and their followers up. He has been campaigning vigourously and rigourously in VA and now Kaine as a VP? Oh yeah, Senator Obama is in it to win it.

Not this time McSurge, not this time.
What's funny is the Obama fanatics are turning to Hillary to prop up their guys slumping poll numbers. Obvioulsy I'm a Hillary supporter, and I wouldn't vote for Obama for all the tea in China. McCain fits my idea of a leader more then that fraud from Chicago.
To MI CHICK:
I feel the same way as you do. I can't believe "patriotic" citizens of this country that just happen to be in the media would allow McCain to promote an ad this hateful. Have not the media learned anything from "this" administration? I don't know if MSM is all "stupid" and don't know the truth are just "racist" and don't want to print it. Why would any forward thinking American want a POTUS who is steamrolling into "dementia"? On CNN last night, he admitted that he didn't remember legislature that he voted against ten years ago and would have to go "look it up".  The debates will "seal" the deal for any intelligent  American. The "visual" of McCain "mumbling", "forgetting" and "denying" will be "proof" enough against a brilliant, progressive thinking and young senator.
Diane from Illinois: Everyday someone else is complaining about Morning Joe and asking he be fired. Why is it so hard for people to realize the power is in THEIR hands.


They're too damn stupid to work the remote. Their kid switched the channel from MSNBC to the Cartoon Network, and liberals blurt out "There's more then one channel?" This is also the reason why many liberals will be switching their votes to SpongeBob this fall because he makes a lot more sense then Obama.
Polling in late July is simply fodder for the news media.  National polls are useless at any time - we elect our President by state electoral votes not by national referendum.  And by the way, the most interesting 'polls' to me at least are the futures investment polls such as Intrade where people actually invest cash based on their research to bet on who will be the winner.  Right now, Obama is way, way ahead with those who are willing to wager their own money on who will be our next President.
according to congressional quarterly in 2007 the average gop voted with bush 81% of the time while mccain voted 95% of the time with bush, mccain was absent for 66% of senate voting.  will mccain be absent 66% of the time if president?  will n
mccain continue the bush misery 4 more years?  stay tuned
Yes folks......turn off Morning Joe!  The only one who should be leading a morning talk show in my opinion is Mike Barnacle.  He doesn't over-talk to people and he is thoughtful with his questions.  And somebody take Andrea Mitchell away too!!
"Beyond his war service, what makes you conservatives think he would be such a good CIC?  Forget why you hate Obama for a minute.  This guy (McCain) can't get out of his own way - he says he's against timetables, then says on CNN they are a good idea, and then denies he ever said it.  Does he realize what century we are in?  C'mon!"

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Right on, MI Chick.

McCain acknowledges that he is not Internet savvy and he's paying the price for it.

http://www.washingtonian.com/blogarticles/people/capitalcomment/8815.html

He's making statements and seems blissfully unaware that the public can and will fact-check him.  That's the old way and unfortunately for him the days of "I Said It So It Must Be So" are over.
Its not just McCain's age that makes removing a mole an issue:
Its the fact that he has had malignant melanoma in the past....the worst of all skin cancers that has a very low survival rate.
Getting a mole removed now could possibly mean that his skin cancer is back.
Don't count on Obama picking Hillary Clinton, because he's showing he can win without her. Polls show more Democrats rallying, enthusiastically, I might add, around him, than republicans are for McCain.  Rather, what Obama needs to win are Independents, and picking Hillary will make it more likely that those Independents will go for McCain.  That said, I see Obama picking either a governor and/or someone with military and/or foreign policy experience that will entice Independents to his side.
I'd prefer Bayh to Kaine.

Kaine doesn't help much in Virginia and in fact may hurt a little. Kaine is liked well enough, but not really seen as having Warner's stature - no one in Virginia that I know was thinking of Kaine as a national figure before circumstances got Obama looking toward Virginia. Picking him might be seen as an odd choice by some Virginians.

Bayh helps in Indiana. Bayh has more name awareness, and a better on-camera persona. He's also sorta kinda respected by Republicans, which is about the best a Democrat can do with them.
4100 Caskets and The Personal Use of Our Soldiers

“How can we possibly find honor in using the fate of our servicemen to score political advantage in Washington? There is no pride to be had in such efforts. We are at war, a hard and challenging war, and we do no service for the best of us-those who fight and risk all on our behalf-by playing politics with their service”

4100 soldiers dead in Iraq, 30,000 wounded, and 22,000 soldiers called the suicide hotline this year. This country of ours is divided in many ways, but the one uniting bond we share is our love and admiration for the men and women who serve our country. Yet there is a man among this American unity who is so gutless, disgraceful, and soulless that he would use the service of our soldiers for his own personal and political gain. The quote above is from an American Hero; his name is John McCain. In this ultimate of sad ironies, the man who is using our service men for his own political gain is also John McCain. I do not contend that I know how a man has it in his heart to use the memory of 4100 soldiers deaths and the continued sacrifice of the troops, who but for the grace of God are still alive, to win an election. But this is the depth of what an American Hero and distinguished senator has come to...

mike tomaso
www.tomasoreport.com
kaine or bayh, you can't be serious. biden or edwards would make much more sense. as for mccain he has "morning joe" and company firmly behind him, joe proclaims endlessly obama is an unknown entity and mccain has history, I agree mccain has a known history only problem is it is a pathetic history, finished dead last in the naval academy but since his father and grandfather were both admirals in the navy johnny boy was made a pilot anyway and proceeded to crash plane after plane and was labeled by his superiors as an "underachiever", got shot down and captured by the enemy, set a carrier on fire, and left the navy for politics because he was told he was not going to be promoted, he was the reason the term "flip flopper" was coined. now after he proclaimed he was not under any circumstances going to run a "dirty campaign" he runs adds against his opponent that even republicans find repulsive, so yes joe mccain is a known entity, you know just what you are getting with mccain, the problem is what mccain offers is the same old crap
For all of you disenchanted Hillary supporter's, the Circus has left town & won't be back anytime soon.The one thing Barack stresses to no end, is No Drama, therefore Hillary is'nt an option.

As for Tim Kaine, he's the One of Us that Barack has been trying(other than being Black-it still baffles me)to eliminate.Kaine will bring along many Souterner's if he's chosen. It's a Win-Win for Democrat's!

Lastly, for all Barack poster's who continue to hammer 1st read & the MSM over there avoidance of telling the Real story on Mccain, don't let up, American' voter's know the real story & we will continue to Try & keep the MSM held responsible for thier inaction's.

Delusional Thinking By Common Sense American's Is Over!!
Who's been smokin' the Hillary Cigar?

Healthcare finds itself, again, is on the back burner because without gas in the tank and food in the belly we ain't getting to hospital on time....
Let's have a healthy society but we'll all be living in those cardboard boxes the Plasma TV came in...
Jobs, jobs, jobs...NO WAR....honesty in Government..

Obama'08
Okay First Read:

Here is my take on "likely" voters vs. "registered voters".  I feel that who turns out this November will neither fall under the column of "likely" or "registered".  I feel who will turn out will be massive numbers of voters from both parties because this is an unprecedented election with no incumbent running.  That's why poll numbers at this point in time are a bunch of Hooh Hah by the Press.

Just a note to the wise....my State alone signed up 30,000 new voters during the month of May.  June and July numbers are not in yet.  No matter which way these voters go, by previous standards...those numbers are staggering and could win the State in a close election for either McCain or Obama.
For some reason I do not like this. Kaine may be a good man but just how well known is he across the country? There is not much time before the election. Obama needs to pick someone with better name recognition. Someone with a little more pizzaz and excitement for the electorate. Biden, Hillary, Rendell or even Richardson would all be better picks.
Tracey Fielder, NY and Diane from Illinois:

Two neo-con hacks who have no idea that their guy, McGeritol, will lose badly in November to the next POTUS, Pres. Obama!
For all of the McCain camps whining about the lack of media coverage and/or the media focus on Obama, in reality it helps John McCain not to be in the spotlight. And I'm sure the McCain camp knows that.  They hope that the spotlight stays on Sen Obama because the instant it shifts to Sen McCain, he is going to be in even greater trouble than he is now.  The whining and complaining is all theatre.  The American people should hope and pray that Chuck Todd is right, that Sen McCain will get his time in the spotlight.  Then they will see him for what he truly is not.  Not qualified, ready or able to be President.  

Obama '08

Thanks Sharron for writing a well thought out post about Hillary as a VP choice.  I agree with you that Obama should be giving her very serious consideration.  That said, I am all for Biden, or if not Biden, Hillary.  I seriously don't see how Kaine can add to the ticket.  As I stated in another post, Obama is being labeled as inexperienced, and needs to counteract that.  His VP choice is very important.  As polls have shown, there is serious concern about his lack of foreign policy/military credentials and overall inexperience.  That is why I say Biden.  If not Biden, HIllary.  Hillary does not bring the foreign policy experience, but popularity and votes from many of her supporters.  Obama needs to consider this.  McCain's choice is also very important due to his age.  He is looking increasingly frail to me, and sounding confused.  Hopefully, he will pick Romney.  
Kaine would be a mistake.  No gurantees it would bring Virginia to Obama's column and it might lose the state for the Democrats because it's such a red state.  And if Obama wants an active VP.  Someone to help him, not just go to funerals than he needs someone who can take over and if he or she doesn't have the experience but have the fight to get things done.  Bad idea.  And really, can the country handle two men on the same ticket that have only been in Washington less than one term.  And have no foreign experience and wouldn't be a lock to bring the state to the blue column? Better he stay, focus on Virginia.  I am really becoming worried for Obama. He was so anti-war - get out Iraq.  And now he's so pro-Afghanistan.  Shows me he isn't about ending war at all, just funding another one that will get more and more kids killed or hurt and lives changed.
A devote Catholic? it dosent pass the sniff test. I dont know about Kaine but I wonder how he squares the Abortion issue being a devote Catholic in the Democratic Party. Being a Catholic I know where my church stands on that issue and unfortunately there is no room for me in the Democratic Party because of it. That’s why I am a Gosh Darn Independent
GDI in Michigan (Sent Tuesday, July 29, 2008 9:37 AM)

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GDI, it's not that difficult to square up.

It's the difference between what you believe and forcing that belief on others.  Who am I to tell all the women in this country that they should not be allowed to terminate an unwanted pregnancy?


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