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More energy back and forth

Posted: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 5:30 PM by Domenico Montanaro

From NBC/NJ’s Adam Aigner-Treworgy
NEWPORT, Mich. -- After touring the Enrico Fermi Nuclear facility here this afternoon, McCain stood in the shadows of the plant’s cooling towers and gave a brief statement on the need to expand nuclear power. But first he found some time to respond to Obama's newest line of attack.

"I saw that Sen. Obama's latest attack is got to do with oil and campaign contributions," McCain said. "I think he might be a little bit confused because when the energy bill came to the floor of the senate, full of goodies and breaks for the oil companies; I voted against it. Sen. Obama voted for it. People care, not only what you say, but how you vote."

Campaign aides said McCain was responding to charges in the ad released yesterday by the Obama campaign and not to his opponent's latest charge. Today, Obama alleged that McCain's energy plan has helped him raise money from oil companies.

"While Sen. McCain's plan won't save you at the pump any time soon, I have to say this, it sure has raised him a lot of campaign dollars," Obama said today in Youngstown, Ohio. "Sen. McCain raised more than $1 million from the oil industry just last month. Most of it came after he announced his plan for offshore drilling to a room full of oil executives."

In his remarks today, McCain tried to shift the energy argument back towards the Democratic congress and its "refusal" to vote on offshore drilling.

"I noticed that there's confusing now information from Senator Obama as to whether he actually supports offshore drilling or not," McCain said. "The fact is we have to drill here and we have to drill now and we have to drill immediately. And it has to be done as quickly as possible and I believe that it's vital that we move forward with that regardless of what we do on other energy issues."

He then called on congress to end their summer vacation early and reconvene to address the issue of America's dependence on foreign oil. As president, McCain said he would call them back into session and "keep calling them back until they act on behalf of the interests of the American people in this compelling national security issue, and it's time we got serious about energy independence."

Today's tour was scheduled at nuclear facility with a less than stellar safety record, which opened the door for McCain's opponents to poke holes in his argument that nuclear power is completely safe. He said in his remarks that his experience with nuclear energy goes back to his service on the first nuclear powered aircraft carrier, "I knew it was safe then, and I know it's safe now."

But as many Democratic groups were quick to point out, one of the Fermi plant's two nuclear reactors suffered a partial fuel meltdown in 1966 and is in the process of being decommissioned. Several years ago, Fermi 2 -- the plant currently in operation -- was also shut down due to a leak, but no evidence of external radiation leakage was found. According to the pool report of McCain's tour, the plant was also shut down last February but has been in operation since.

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The Gay Ole Party has been in the dark for as long i've been alive(53 years next week), so being in the dark for a few more month's can't hurt much more.

Chuck, your show today was a welcome surprise, maybe someday, your expertise will get You the nod for Meet the Press.

New electoral college poll has Barack up even more than last month. Seem's as tho America has seen the One & like what they see.

Delusional Thinking By Common Sense American's Is Over!!!
McCain= McOil. Obama= Change. Get with the program, folks.
Not only has McShame sold out to the oil companies, he suggests his wife should participate in a topless contest in Sturgis, North Dakota:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/05/mccain-suggests-wife-part_n_117053.html
Shameless. These criminal neocon rethugs talk about "family values", and they disrespect women, and debase their own spouses. I wonder how the Hillary PUMA people feel about that...
They are so biased and twisted against Obama, they probably don't care.
Pathetic. These amoral lowlifes, led by McShame/Bush/Cheney must not be reelected. Decent people must stand against this plague of the last 7 1/2 years.
I love the way McCain talks about congress like he has no association with them.
I wonder who wrote his cue cards for him? The CEO of Exxon??
John McCain + republicans = Oil Companies.  No brainer.
Ya know McCain, Obama's explained that vote many a time:

The "Cheney" energy bill included lots of incentives for alternative energy, incentives that are allowing the current development of wind in the midwest and solar in the southwest.  Obama, the leftish centrist pragmatist, decided not to let good be the enemy of perfect.

Apparently McCain can't remember.
Senator McCain has graciously volunteered to put the nuclear waste in your back yard.  He's adamantly opposed to having it any where near one of his eight houses.  

Obama 08
I love First Read, but the donkey and elephant pictures at the top of the page are really spooky.  Were they drawn by someone on drugs?  Do I need to be on drugs to appreciate them.  I am scared!!!
Great video comeback about inflating tires:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akjXqfvLu28&eurl=http
McSame is so inept, he keeps walking into it.
Our energy problems are such that we have no quick fixes.

Please accept for your consideration:

It takes 100 years for an olive tree to bear fruit. Three generations have to tend it knowing they probably won't reap much reward from it for themselves, if at all. They plant anyway as a charity to future generations, just as those who planted before them.

Remember the rubber drives, and ration stamps of WWII? American patriots of over 200 yester-years have demonstrated great willingness to sacrifice for this nation. Countless have given their last measure of full devotion as Senator Obama reminds us.

What is wrong with us? We are so spoiled. We have to start to exercise restraint. We have to learn discipline. We can no longer mock our leaders when they advise us with our best interest at heart.

We laughed at Jimmy Carter when he tried to lead us from a disastrous fossil fuel predicament 30 years ago. We laughed at Obama yesterday for telling us to be more prudent with the maintenance of our vehicles.

What is wrong with some Americans?

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Adam wrote:

 My vote is for Obama, but why do we call people African American's when 90% of them have never even seen Africa? My ancestors can be traced back to Greece. So in this thought process, am I an Greek American because of it? If so, I am a minority and should have gotten some grants and whatnot for schooling. He is black people, NOT African American. People who were BORN in Africa and came to this country are African American! I hate the titles we put on poeple! He is an American plain and simple!
Adam, St. Louis (Sent Friday, August 01, 2008 10:07 AM)
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Adam,

Black describes a color. My shoes are black. I write upon a black board which is actually green. Do you follow me?

‘Black’ never adequately described the unique group of human beings stolen away from their homeland, and brutally enslaved against their will in America.

African Americans have had demeaning, and meaningless names such as Black, Negro,  Nigra, Colored, Coon, Jiggaboo, and *N-gg-r*, etc., imposed upon them against their will. It so happened that ‘Niger’, a river, as well as, an inland republic in W. Africa was the root of the offensive epithet *N-gg-r*. Illiterate bigots did not know the correct pronunciation of  ‘Niger‘ with a long ‘i‘, and ‘j‘ sound. They pronounced ‘Niger’, *N-gg-er*. In time their negative import, racist, and hateful intentions eclipsed all other nuance of the name, until only a bitter, attacking insult remained.

African slaves in America were denied education, and stripped of their names, history, culture, and religion, as a cruel tactic in their complete subjugation. The scene in the award winning mini series ‘Roots’, depicted the lengths to which American slave owners would go in order to separate their African slaves from any, and all knowledge of themselves, and their history; even if it meant whipping them to death. Kunte Kinte was lashed with the sole purpose that he should abandon the name given him by his people, and accept to refer to himself as ’Toby’,  the name his owner insisted upon.

Others in this country are referred to as Native American, Irish American, Japanese American, Hispanic, Italian American, Chinese American, Caucasian, (a person of the white skinned race originally living generally in Europe, western Asia, and N. Africa), etc. I have yet to hear anybody gripe about it. Yet many have taken issue with the fact that African Americans refer to themselves as such, with objections that are at least curious, and at worst hypocritically racist.

Given the fact that African Americans were denied self determination, and the pursuit of happiness in this country for 400 years, and were still rubber stamped with negative, derogatory labels like so much chattel 100 years after ’The Emancipation Proclamation’ was issued by President Lincoln, how is it that the decided throwing off of these brands, these insults for an honorable title finally settled upon by their general consensus in the late 1970’s is problematic for others who proudly point to their own ethnic background?

I celebrate the historically correct, and affirming title of ‘African American‘. It is a blessing.  With it’s use, we have all been made more comfortable. We can say, or hear, ‘African American’, without fear of offending, or being offended respectively.


I love it obama voted for bush cheneys energy plan in 2005 and mccain did not thats just rich.
The Bush administration was in a hury to stop UN weapon inspectors because they were disclosing that Iraq has no weapons of mass destruction. That might make it harder to sell Bush's criminal invasion of Iraq.
McCain hasn't been in Congress since April, but he's calling them to come back now to support him?

McCain is just NOW noticing that Obama is thinking to back offshore drilling on land that is already leased by the gas companies as a compromise. Obama said this LAST FRIDAY! McCain really is out of touch with what is going on!
"Like all compromises, this one has its drawbacks," Obama said. "It includes a limited amount of new offshore drilling, and while I still don't believe that's a particularly meaningful short-term or long-term solution, I am willing to consider it if it's necessary to actually pass a comprehensive plan."
Yes - but he didn't respond to the charge by Obama that he has taken 2 million from the oil companys.

Obama voted for that plan (as he said) because it was the best he could get to move the country forward.

The reason why congress did not get something done is that the Republicans blocked a compromise that was worked out by a bi-partisan group.

Republicans don't compromise - therefore they cant govern. That is why nothing has gotten done for 8 years.  
[McCain said he would call them back into session and "keep calling them back until they act on behalf of the interests of the American people in this compelling national security issue, and it's time we got serious about energy independence.]
--Don't we have to pay them extra to come back (I may be wrong) (which is idiotic)?  So much for cutting the fat out of government, especially since that was one of his staples.  Nice rhetoric, but it ends there--it does however indicate that John McCain does prioritize energy, which is a positive for him as he already stated that he doesn't really care about the economy.
Just checked my tire pressure and made an appointment for a tune-up. What'd ya know. Something I can do that actually has a possitive impact. Only a morally bankrupt, idea challenged cynic would balk at that.
Repukes had their chance to improve the energy situationa and what did they do??????????? Not a DAMN THING other than line their pockets with oil money.  GET RID OF THEM ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!VOTE THEM OUT!!!!!!!!!
Why was the Bush administration in such a hurry to stop UN weapons inspectors in March, 2003, if not to end their disclosure that Iraq had no WMD?
I am so happy to see McCain get a energy plan after 25 years, Give me a break.
The fact is, old man, whether Obama’s ad says McCain's campaign got $2 million or $1.3 million from "Big Oil."  You’re still lining your campaign pocket. Consumers pay oil companies twice for the Same Product.  Not only are the oil companies racking up extraordinary profits, they’re doing it while continuing to enjoy generous tax breaks and economic subsidies paid for by (us) the same American  people who are also paying exceptionally high prices at the pump. ...
First subsidizing their production and then buying the finished product at inflated prices.

So eliminating tax breaks and subsidies that oil companies clearly don’t need could recoup billions of dollars that could be invested in renewable energy research and development, conservation programs, and clean-energy technologies.

The next point is what have you proposed about nuclear waste; can you remember Three mile Island and Chernobyl?
I don't think  you  can comprehend  any of these.


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Andrea Mitchell: Obama is not sifting. You’re a big fraud too. Report the truth that would be the compromise instead of half-truths. You now Obama's compromise is still for alternate methods and no tax  breaks for oil companies. Your republican millionaire husband may be against Strategic Oil Reserve since won’t experience financial crises. Other Americans do therefore, a 1000 dollar check is a good short term alternative until we long term.

Nobody, but Obama!


Gas at the pump has come Down 10 cents in the last
10 days here in La Puente Ca while both Candidates and Analysts are still talking about offshore drilling.and the affect at the gas pumps.I wonder if
John Mcain is the only one living in a bubble ?
Frankly it doesn't matter if we use nuclear power and drill off the coast if we are not pushing population control; the US and the world will deteriorate and all we will be doing is postponing the inevitable loss of our environment.  No one seems to want to talk about this dirty little secret of what is at the root of all the pressures on a sustainable society.

We need:
Nuclear power and population control
More drilling and population control
Wind power and population control
higher gas mileage and population control
energy conservation and population control
clean coal and population control
hydroelectric power and population control
geothermal power and population control
corn ethanol (oops, sorry, that is a not)
photovoltaic power and population control
etc., etc. and population control

get it?
NEW TOPIC!!!!!

Question who the hell is Rev. Joe Watkins and why is he on T.V.? The man is a moron, and does not represent anyone with a brain white or black. I'm ashamed to be considered a member of his race...the human race that is. He's dumb, out of touch, and in it for the money! Look anybody who speaks as if they have no Soul usually does not.
obama seems to be losing his bearings.  Why in the world would he try to tie Senator McCain to the Bush/Cheney energy bill that obama himself voted for?
Senator Mccain voted against the bill because it favor the oil companies too much.
Does obama think Americans will believe his lies?
What a phony.
and now they want you to give MORE lease options to BIG OIL....

I heard some McCain mouthpiece still talking about $150 a barrel oil. Guess Phil "Nation of Whiners" Gramm forgot to send the memo that Dubbya had lowered oil prices (since McCain says Bush lowers them, Obama made them rise)... last I checked, oil was down.

Re: McCain and nuclear energy. OK. Let's put the first one in YOUR state near YOUR house. Then, lets put #2-8 by the rest of your houses.

what's that? the sound of silence? Yeah, that's what I thought.
Obama is being economical with the truth. He voted for the Bush-Cheney energy bill because of his links with Exelon corp, a nuclear energy company in Illinois that has reportedly donated about $269,1000.00 to his campaign. This is a highly under reported story and the truth will come out before November.
The Bush administration was in a hury to stop UN weapon inspectors because they were disclosing that Iraq has no weapons of mass destruction. That might make it harder to sell Bush's criminal invasion of Iraq.
Gregory Peek, Birmingham, Alabama (Sent Tuesday, August 05, 2008 5:59 PM)


I do not agree with starting this war.  However, I am surprised it did not get more notice in the news that in the last two months 500T of yellow cake, previously missed, were taken out of Iraq.  Scary.  
"Throw the bums out"

Mind if we start with obama, pelosi and reid?
you people just don't get it, nuclear power is our only alternative to the energy issue in america.  

Clean energy produced to power clean electric powered cars or use the plants to generate hydrogen to fuel our  economy,

clean, reliable, safe energy with no dependance on the Middle East, isn't that what we all want!
Regardless of the tax breaks oil companies get, Exxon Mobil paid over $6 billion in corporate income taxes after the breaks and before booking their $11 billion net income on revenues of over $116 billion.

You and I actually paid that $6 billion, the government got it and booked $6 billion in revenue.  They will have a budget deficit.

I'd rather the government operated more like Exxon Mobil.
nuanced:

The U.S. has population control with birthrates at barely replacement level except for certain segments of the population.  Immigration, illegal and otherwise, is largely responsible for U.S. population growth in the last decade or two.

Europe has population control with birthrates not even reaching replacement level, again except for certain segments of the population . . .

So you seem to be proposing that the "developed" nations impose their population standards on developing and third world nations and immigrant populations.

You might be a little more nuanced and define just who the collective "we" is that's responsible for saving the world, as well as methods that might be used.
Ian:

Are you just young enough that you think inflating your tires and getting a tune-up is a new, fresh idea?  If this is the first time you've heard of that, you've been very sheltered or very unobservant.

It could be why it's standard procedure at most auto shops to include inflating your tires to the proper pressure while changing your oil and/or getting a tune-up.

Literally millions and millions of people have been doing such things since before Obama was born.

So, if the 10% or so who seem to be ignorant of these things suddenly get gas economy religion from The One, the impact isn't going to come close to his statements.
obama seems to be losing his bearings.  Why in the world would he try to tie Senator McCain to the Bush/Cheney energy bill that obama himself voted for?
Senator Mccain voted against the bill because it favor the oil companies too much.
Does obama think Americans will believe his lies?
What a phony.
Rhj
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*facepalms* You, like your ilk, never seem to get passed the sound blurbs and party lines.  The cheney bill had buried in it tax breaks and incentives for alternative energy programs.  Had you bothered to pay attention to how bills are moved thru congress, you would know that sometimes you have to take a little of the back to get something that will actually benefit the nation.  Bills are tagged with amendments and provisions as ever congressperson tries to get something.  The fact it was a big oil heavey bill was unfortunate, but it was the only way to get the provision for the alternative energy sources passed.

Try reading a book.
You GOP hacks should realize that he was answering a question from an Individual. You McCain followers act as if tire inflation is part of his Energy policy.  
Maybe McCain's face lumps are because of that nuclear powered aircraft carrier he boasts about! Nuclear power plants terrify me and I worry for anyone in the vicinity of a nuclear power plant, anywhere. McCain is again showing his true colors by saying anything to win, so much for "country first", and in McCain's case, as a 26 year politician, his double talk and lies are even harder to accept. McCain has stayed too long in Washington and has become as untrustworthy as any other corrupt politician, hoping he won't get caught with his pants down, but knowing it's inevitable.
Beverly, Chicago:

I remember that Three Mile Island's redundant safety features worked and Chernobyl's didn't.
The repub mockery of the tire inflation recommendation reminds me of what Prez Bush told Americans to do after 9/11, when the nation wanted so badly to pull together and pitch in: go shopping, he said, relax he said, the feds will take care of it all as long as consumers keep consuming.

Sen. McCain -- please be specific:
1) WHERE do you want to put 45 new nuclear power plants?
2) WHERE do you want to store radioactive waste for the next million years? Have you NO CONSCIENCE about the world we leave to our grand-children?

Finally, if this important election comes down to the stooopid issue of off-shore drilling, and if we have to hear a completely low-level debate about it for the next 3 months, I will go insane. Surely I am not alone.
I can hardly stand that idiot Barnacle.
Exxon Mobil paid $30 BILLION IN TAXES last yr.
Over the last three years, Exxon Mobil has paid an average of $27 billion annually in taxes. That's $27,000,000,000 per year, a number so large it's hard to comprehend. Here's one way to put Exxon's taxes into perspective.

According to IRS data for 2004, the most recent year available:

Total number of tax returns: 130 million

Number of Tax Returns for the Bottom 50%: 65 million

Adjusted Gross Income for the Bottom 50%: $922 billion

Total Income Tax Paid by the Bottom 50%: $27.4 billion

Conclusion: In other words, just one corporation (Exxon Mobil) pays as much in taxes ($27 billion) annually as the entire bottom 50% of individual taxpayers, which is 65,000,000 people! Further, the tax rate for the bottom 50% is only 3% of adjusted gross income ($27.4 billion / $922 billion), and the tax rate for Exxon was 41% in 2006 ($67.4 billion in taxable income, $27.9 billion in taxes).

And that stupid numbskull from Politico, saying increasing the future oil supply will have no effect on lowering prices of gas now!!!
Hey, brainless, have you noticed that the price of gas has gone down $0.25 in the last 2 weeks because:

THE THREAT OF INCREASED OIL SUPPLY FROM LOWER CONSUMPTION.

God, how do these mental dwarfs get on the air?

Oh, I guess if you check the rating, you will know
Yeah, we care about voting records.  Like the fact that McCain hasn't been at a single Congressional vote since APRIL 8th, 2008!!!

- McCain missed the Energy Vote
- McCain missed the GI Bill vote
- McCain missed the Housing vote

McCain ranks last among the 535 members of the current Congress in a rating by the League of Conservation Voters.

McCain has missed every major environmental vote this Congress, according to an analysis by the League. His League lifetime record is just 24 percent. This compares with 86 percent for Obama.

McCain has cast votes against tightening fuel efficiency standards. He's resisted requiring public electric power utilities to obtain a certain percentage of their power from renewable sources.

McCain also pushed aside the Endangered Species Act protections that conflict with other priorities of his in Arizona, such as the construction of a university observatory.

So, back to reality folks......Old Man STILL yelling at cloud.  McCain is one sick puppy, and his spine removal surgery proves it.
Just checked my tire pressure and made an appointment for a tune-up. What'd ya know. Something I can do that actually has a possitive impact. Only a morally bankrupt, idea challenged cynic would balk at that.
"So you seem to be proposing that the "developed" nations impose their population standards on developing and third world nations and immigrant populations."
---Richard, Washington State

No Richard, I am proposing that we stop withholding an important ingredient of health care from third world nation. We fund much of the third world health care and under Republican passed edicts we withhold vital education and health care about pregnancy and HIV/STD prevention. We even coerce the UN agencies into doing the same. As a result millions live in dire poverty and disease and preventable deaths occur and over reproduction guarantees it is passed on to the next generation.  The middle and upper classes in this country have no problem getting birth control and STD prevention assistance, while the poor under government assistance are denied it. Why do we impose these restrictions? If there is a logical reason you tell me. I chalk it up to religion inspired ignorance.
So McCain can actually a vote.  I guess he gets a little confused when its blacks or women asking about their issues.  I think McCain is playing the senile old fart card a few too many times.
Dick, Washington State

Are you serious, no one does that.  Maybe a few lawn mower junkies and a few NASCAR dads, but name me one chic that does this?  You are so simple its pathetic.
SEN. MCCAIN CALLS THE OPPONENT CONFUSED?  AFTER GETTING CONTINUING PASSES FROM THE MEDIA EVEN TODAY WITH THE "BIKER CREW" MCCAIN STUMBLED AND BUMBLED TRYING TO SAY "GAS, GALLON OF GAS, AT THE PUMP" BECAUSE HE HAS NEVER HAD ANY EXPERIENCE PUMPING HIS OWN GAS, IS RICH AND THEREFORE CAN'T RELATE.

MCCAIN STUMBLED AND BUMBLED EVEN AFTER HAVING HIS SPEECH WRITTEN OUT AND WAS READING IT FROM THE PODIUM TO THE "BIKER CREW' COULDN'T MANAGE TO GET IT RIGHT

YESTERDAY MCCAIN WAS ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT HE HAD DONE FOR BLACK FOLK, HE KEPT STUMBLING AND BUMBLING ASKED THE PRESS PERSON MULTIPLE TIMES WHAT THE QUESTION WAS.

AMERICA IF THIS IS WHO YOU WANT FOR PRESIDENT AND A HERO WHO CANT' REMEMBER THE TRIBAL FACTIONS IN IRAQ BUT BRAGS ABOUT IRAQ EACH AND EVERY DAY............

WELL HER YOU GO,   BUT THIS MAN CAN'T BE TRUSTED TO BE IN CHARGE OF OUR COUNTRY...........WITH ALL THIS STUMBLING AND BUMBLING, WHAT DO YOU THINK WILL HAPPEN IN A CRISIS LET ALONE JUST A REGULAR SITUATION?
I look at the shift in wealth the 100+dollar oil has caused and the nations that we are giving the money to is feeding the enemy and putting our country in danger. in my view there are two problems that have caused gas prices to rise. one is demand the other is refining capasity, how long has it been since we built a new refinery? we need to do both increase supply and refining capasity. it is really too late to play the blame game. we need to drill now as it is the only viable way to bring down the price of oil now and in the future. one thing I do agree with Obama is that it will take about 10 years for ecomonical hydrogen full cells will compeat with gas engines, it about a ten year bridge. drill here, drill now, pace less at the pump as long as we also build more refineries. Kudos to McCain for comming up with a plan to help america stay safe and become energy self-reliant.
The only confused person in this is McCain. He needs to look at how stupid he looks giving his speeches. I am over 60 and he needs to go home, he is too OLD! If I was his wife and he would have offered me to that stupid contest, I would have walked of the stage. What an idiot!
I have heard McCain talk about building 45 new nuclear power plants by 2030, but I have not heard one word about what he plans to do with the waste?  It is that kind of short sightedness that gets us into these situations.  Obama is correct that we should not build nuclear plants until we figure out how to deal with the waste.  That is only common sense.


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