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The Russia-Georgia crisis

Posted: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 9:22 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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Russia announced early today that it has halted military operations in Georgia, but it didn’t say whether it would withdraw its troops.

Want to know why neither McCain nor Obama knows what to say beyond their statements on Georgia? The New York Times: "Even as President Bush denounced the Russian actions in the strongest terms to date, the United States and its European allies faced tough choices over how to push back. They seemed uncertain how to adjust to a new geopolitical game that threatened to undermine two decades of democratic gains in countries that were once part of the Soviet sphere."

More: "Administration officials said military options were almost certainly off the table, but the United States did airlift Georgian troops stationed in Iraq back home, answering a plea from the Georgian government and prompting a sharp response from Russia. Washington could also press to ostracize Moscow on the international stage, perhaps by kicking it out of the Group of 8 industrialized nations. Yet there was no immediate indication that Western powers could exercise much leverage over Russia if it chose to ignore their warnings."

The Los Angeles Times gets at the challenges for McCain and Obama. "For McCain and Obama, the war in Georgia has forced a pivot in a campaign where the foreign policy debate has focused primarily on the Middle East and terrorism. The issue poses challenges for both as they balance the need to condemn Russia's actions while addressing the reality that the next administration will need Moscow's assistance in confronting potential nuclear threats from Iran and North Korea.”

For McCain: “McCain had sought to highlight his support for U.S.-Russia cooperation on nuclear security issues, delivering a major address in May in which he declared that ‘Russia and the United States are no longer mortal enemies.’ McCain used that address as a public break from Bush's unpopular foreign policy, embracing a new treaty with Russia and other efforts to reduce the number of nuclear weapons. But in recent days McCain has signaled that he intends to focus more on hard-line criticism of Russian Prime Minister Vladimir V. Putin and his government.”

For Obama: “Obama too faces challenges as he tries to stake out a more conciliatory foreign policy that includes his willingness to negotiate with enemies. His softer language toward Moscow leaves him open to criticism at a time when the U.S. is clearly aligned with Georgia, an emerging democracy. But Obama aides say this, in fact, can be an advantage."

The Boston Globe has more: “McCain, who has met the Republic of Georgia's president and whose chief foreign policy adviser has lobbied for the country, responded to the news Friday with visceral anger, condemning Russian forces' crossing into Georgia and warning of 'grave' repercussions in long-term relations between Moscow and Washington…. Obama, who has never been to Georgia, initially seemed reticent to single out Russia for criticism, issuing a general call on Friday for ending 'the outbreak of violence.' The next day, as the scope of Russia's military action became clearer, the Democrat toughened his rhetoric and denounced Russia's 'aggressive action' while calling for more diplomacy.

Is McCain's neo-con influence showing itself in his tough rhetoric on Russia? Another New York Times piece: "His hard line has been derided as provocative, and possibly dangerous, by some so-called realist foreign policy experts, who warn that isolating Russia would do little to encourage it to change. But others, including neoconservatives who deem promoting democracy a paramount goal, see Mr. McCain’s position as principled, and prescient. Now, with Russia moving forcefully into Georgia as Mr. McCain seeks the presidency, his views are being scrutinized as never before through the prism of Russia’s invasion."

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Russia announced early today that it has halted military operations in Georgia, but it didn’t say whether it would withdraw its troops.
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Well, that's better than continuing to kill innocents.  I hope this all ends soon.  Peacefully.

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I don't want to go conspiracy theory on you, but isn't it interesting that John McCain just happens to have lobbyists on his team that represent Colombia, where he was there to cheer on the hostages being released, and now Georgia, where they attack some province KNOWING full well that Russia was waiting on their borders like foxes surrounding the hen house? I mean, how coincidental can this really be? Even so, poor John couldn't even pronounce the name of the president of Georgia and mumbled the name of the Russian prez too, but came out with PUTIN loud and clear. McGeezer is just too old folks.
Could someone please sit down with John McCain and teach him the correct pronunciation of the president of Georgia's name?

It's "Saakashvili", not "Shashkavili"!

John, if you have met with him several times, as you claim to have done, I would think you'd get his name right!

So much for foreign policy experience!
this is a very serious crisis and its so sad.  Russia is a bully, unfortunately since America is borrowing billions of dollars from this coutry we have no reall leverage any more.  we are bogged down in iraq, when we should be helping out allies.  hopefully this will come to an end soon.

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Want to know why neither McCain nor Obama knows what to say beyond their statements on Georgia?

Well, in Senator McCain's case, the situation is even muddier due to the fact that Randy Scheunemann was a registered lobbyist for the Republic of Georgia.  Any position the McCain campaign takes on this issue should be viewed through this lens.  
Has anyone told Magoo that Georgia is a country and that Atlanta was not attacked?

I fail to see how Magoo struggling to read a 5 min history lesson made him look knowledgeable.

I'm sorry but he reads at 6th grade level at best. I can't imagine how uninspiring Magoo would be as president.
You mean we can't simplistically divide the world into good and evil countries?

You mean "my way or the highway" is not a governing strategy?

Are you saying we can't round up a "coalition of the willing" to take on Russia?

Wonders never cease.
The moment the US invaded Iraq we lost the moral and ethical high ground regarding the future actions of all other nations - including Russia.  Mr. Bush condemning Russia for 'invading a soverign nation' must go down in history as the apex of hypocrisy.
We could not condemn Russia because of our actions in Iraq. How could we tell Russia to leave while we are still in Iraq? We should not forget our so called invasion of Grenada. I guess that is what superpowers behave. I just feel sorry for the people that have nothing to do with these stupid decisions. People die when they make these decisions.
the problem with all of this is...

If McCain's push and aggressive stances and our weakened military hadn't opened the door for Russia to invade.

If McCain's foreign policy advisor hadn't lobbied into a situation that made the stand off worse not better...

If McCain knew the President of Georgia's name and that Czechoslovakia no longer exists.

If Mccain hadn't been slapping a glove across Medvedev's and Putin's metaphorical face every week.

then I would say you have a point...

but other wise any logical person who looks at how we got here would say ugh...get McCain and his lobbyist advisors away from a microphone...never mind the white house.

can everyone not see that McCain and D!ck Cheney are much closer than we all realized?

and that is the problem...

...and America's blind spot.


If McCain's push and aggressive stances and our weakened military hadn't opened the door for Russia to invade.

If McCain's foreign policy adviser hadn't lobbied into a situation that made the stand off worse not better...

If McCain knew the President of Georgia's name and that Czechoslovakia no longer exists.

If Mccain hadn't been slapping a glove across Medvedev's and Putin's metaphorical face every week.

then I would say you have a point...

but other wise any logical person who looks at how we got here would say ugh...get McCain and his lobbyist advisers away from a microphone...never mind the white house.

can everyone not see that McCain and D!ck Cheney are much closer than we all realized?

and that is the problem

...and America's blind spot.
Bush has all our troops in Iraq and has none to spare to deal with Russia; But I know what Mccain would do,--he would Bomb Bomb Russia.
NO to McCain, NO to neo-cons, NO to the rhetoric that brought us to Iraq and the reason we have nothing to back it up. Talk is cheap..tough talk is cheaper.
That speech McCain gave was aggravating on so many levels. Besides, snipping it from Wiki, he likes to accuse Obama of being presumptuous and "presidential", which McCain did not look. He may be a candidate, but he is still a SENATOR. He doesn't have that much pull in the world events and HOPEFULLY he won't ever. That speech was BS in the finest and I love how no news pundits talk about how "presidential" he looked reading the teleprompters.
So it looks like Bush can have the look of deer in the headlights once again, eh? He doesn't have a clue what to do and will stall until the next POTUS has to make a decision about what to do. All he keeps saying is that Russia was wrong to invade Georgia (ahhhh, like HE was wrong to invade Iraq, also???)Do you think ANY country is going to listen to George Bush? Let me think...no. THAT'S why we need to have someone with Obama's negotiating skills to take over. McCain's an idiot that still thinks Georgia is a state in the US!
I don't want to go conspiracy theory on you, but isn't it interesting that John McCain just happens to have lobbyists on his team that represent Colombia, where he was there to cheer on the hostages being released, and now Georgia, where they attack some province KNOWING full well that Russia was waiting on their borders like foxes surrounding the hen houseLB, Virginia (Sent Tuesday, August 12, 2008 9:29 AM)


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and, Virginia, isn't it odd that Mr. Anti-Lobbyist BHO has as one of his foregin advisors the former lobbyist for Georgia. His name is Randy Schueneman (spelling?).  
Russian killing Russians....we'll stand by and say how sad and sick...but we should know the difference ..
This cause by Putin was not to secure the Southern Ossetes peoples political freedom but to enslave the Georgian people and destroy their race...Why didn't Putin pressure the Georgians through the UN first?
His answer was through direct military conflict...which the world should never forget and condemn...These are shadows of things to come from all the Russian People if they do not rise about these war like ways...All the world is watching in horror.... Economic pressures against the Russian's should be sanctioned immediately...all political ties should be cut NOW!
Was it me, or did McCain look exhausted and old when he made that speech on the conflict in Georgia?  Like it was all too hard for him?
Did the Russians put up a huge 'Mission Accomplished' banner?
The real problem is we have people that has been brain washed into thinking that the only thing we have
is intimidation and the threat of war.this country was at one time a beacon of hope to other countrys who
needed a powerful friend. We are no longer have that power, We cant say to the world look at our democracy,
we are fair and our standards are high, and we take the high road.  I certainly hope people will look at the candidates we have running for POTUS, who has judgment, common sense, and real intelligence. I am
not talking about the celeb Barack Obama- I am talking about the good, smart , familey man who just happens to have all the things we need in POTUS right
now.  Politician Barack Obama

Obama/Biden  08
marty
Diplomacy with an out of control "nuc" nation is a sticky deal at best.  What do you do with such nations?!  It's precisely why Iran wants to be in the club and you can bet no one is watching closer to see how the world reacts to the Russia-Georgia conflict than they are.  Getting into the nuc club gives you the ability to slap your neighbors around and dare anyone to do anything about it.  In a worrisome world like this we need to elect a president who is intellectually capable, is of good character and understands when to be strong or use restraint...in other words Obama.  Don't give a 4 year old a .357 by voting for McCain.  
I wonder how many millions of dollars were channeled to Putin by the republicans for the fake 'war' enacted by the Russians.  Am I saying that I think this was a staged 'war' to benefit mccain, paid for by republicans,Bush/Cheney/RNC supporters?  Yes, I am.
How sad that lives were lost by these arrogant men.
I challenge journalists to start looking for the money trail!
Mccain looked weak and pitiful standing in front of the flags.  He can't even say the names correctly.  He just read a sheet of plagerized mumbo-jumbo!  
You may think this sounds far-out, but three books have already confirmed the lies and travesty of the Bush administration leading us into war.   Thousands of lives lost so that people with oil money can stay in power!

We, are to blame if we allow this conduct to continue in America.  I want change, and I want drastic change, now!
But others, including neoconservatives who deem promoting democracy a paramount goal, see Mr. McCain’s position as principled, and prescient.
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You've gotta be kidding! The "others" who think McCain is principled and prescient are MOSTLY neocons. And we all know how valuable their opinions are from the wonderful principled and prescient job they did in Iraq.
I wonder how many millions of dollars were channeled to Putin by the republicans for the fake 'war' enacted by the Russians.  Am I saying that I think this was a staged 'war' to benefit mccain, paid for by republicans,Bush/Cheney/RNC supporters?  Yes, I am.
How sad that lives were lost by these arrogant men.
I challenge journalists to start looking for the money trail!
Mccain looked weak and pitiful standing in front of the flags.  He can't even say the names correctly.  He just read a sheet of plagerized mumbo-jumbo!  
You may think this sounds far-out, but three books have already confirmed the lies and travesty of the Bush administration leading us into war.   Thousands of lives lost so that people with oil money can stay in power!

We, are to blame if we allow this conduct to continue in America.  I want change, and I want drastic change, now!
why do you post double posts? why waste the space?
I'm wondering why the pundits aren't criticizing McCain for being "presumptuous" for threating Russia as if he were already president. Could it be he can get away with this because he's white?

CAMIE - this is a very serious crisis and its so sad.  Russia is a bully, unfortunately since America is borrowing billions of dollars from this coutry we have no reall leverage any more.  we are bogged down in iraq, when we should be helping out allies.  hopefully this will come to an end soon.


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Why is there not more made of the candidate that can run a stratigically smart and smooth campaign is someone who has executive experience of what it takes to be President?  
The more we read about Hilary Clintons campaign the more we learn she is not a leader ready to make tough decisions (Bill showed he is)
McCain has had to have so many re-launches and personnel changes.  Is this what we will hav ein the White House if he wins?
Obama has run a pretty smooth, smart, and leak-free campaign.  Is this what we will have in the White House if he wins?  (sounds like strong credentials for being President.
What's awesome is that it was revealed that McCain stole his entire speech from Wikipedia. Yes. Wikipedia.
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and, Virginia, isn't it odd that Mr. Anti-Lobbyist BHO has as one of his foregin advisors the former lobbyist for Georgia. His name is Randy Schueneman (spelling?).  
2ez (Sent Tuesday, August 12, 2008 9:44 AM)"

Hey, genius - Randy on McCheese's team, not Obama's.  Get a clue.
How can we defend Georgia with out hands tied in IRAQ? Bush has been a disaster to this country. America can only bark but can not bite. What a shame.

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McDumb As Bush
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Graham: McCain Policies Extension and enhancement of Bush
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We will really know the real truth as to why Russia has invaded Georgia. As we have already experienced with our invasion of Iraq, our government and the media basically speak out of the same side of their mouth. In any case, not only is this not our problem, but what could we do about it if we wanted to. We are still surging in Iraq and Afganistan and we don't have the ready troops to protect our own borders. We had better sit tis one out.
The media and U.S. government (and candidates) have taken a very anti-Russia view on this.  Georgia attacks an area that has been independent of it for years.  The people in the area have voted overwhelmingly for independence from Georgia.  They feel more akin to Russia - many even having Russian passports.  When Georgia attacks, Russia comes to their aid.  

On top of that, Georgia -- a member of the USA Team with a George W. Bush-named airport road, military trained by US and Israel, provided weapons by Israel -- wants to become a member of NATO.  An expansion of NATO that would change it significantly.  Russia, understandably sees a threat in all of this (wouldn't we if Mexico became so allied with Russia?).  Thank goodness they are not in NATO now or the US/NATO would very likely be at war with NATO.

Why isn't the blame in this on Georgia?  It seems like many in the U.S. power structure just want an excuse to blame Russia.
"and, Virginia, isn't it odd that Mr. Anti-Lobbyist BHO has as one of his foregin advisors the former lobbyist for Georgia. His name is Randy Schueneman (spelling?).   "
-2ez
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Right lobbyist, wrong candidate. Randy Schueneman (who cares how you spell it) works for JOHN McCAIN.

And you already knew that.

Nice try though.
Hey.  Could someone please READ the Wikipedia article on Georgia while listening to McCain's statement on the situation in Georgia?  He plagiarized WIKIPEDIA.  Why is no one reporting this?  Parts of the speech were word-for-word from Wikipedia.  No joke.
the reason why Russia attacked Georgia was the usage of weapons of mass destruction against Ossetia and Russian peace-makers!!!! Russia defended its citizens from Saakashvili. Georgian army ran over children, women and old people with their tanks. young girls were locked in barns and buried ALIVE!!!!
Saakashvili is mentally abnormal offender!!!
How DARE you, people, say : stop Russia!
McCain's "visceral anger" scares me. A political leader cannot express that type of outrage as a FIRST step in negotiations unless it is absolutely necessary. There is too much at stake for McCain to start issuing threats.

I know the MSM loves its maverick, but McCain's temper is a HUGE problem. The U.S. may find itself alone and inviting attack if McCain is president, an eventuality I'm sure that old warmonger is eager to incite.

Gee, the russkies must have been scared of the bushleague telling them to stop...or was it because so many of the tough talkers here finally stopped talking and started suiting up? Well whatever
McShame should spend more weekends taking remedial reading courses.
Putin and other leading Russins hunger for the days when Russia was a super-power. A stronger sense of Nationalism is once again taking place among the Russian people. They will not stand idly by and watch China and the U.S. attempt to dominate world opinion. Recent events by the Bush administration as the invasion of Iraq and activities in both Afghanistan and Pakistan as well as the desire to place a anti-missile system in countries near the Russian borders is forcing Putin to take firm stands against what he sees as U.S. agression. Russia does not like being a 2nd rate country (regarding military strength and world influence) and will do what it can to return to a more domineering force in the world. Putin knows the U.S. is stretched thin militarily because of Iraq and therefore knows that any threats by the likes of McCain are empty threats. At this point Putin will do as he pleases while McCain continues to make himself look like an idiot giving Ruissa ultimatums when he has nothing to back up these threats. Whose sons and daughters will McCain recruit and/or draft to send to Georgia or other countries to check Russian expansion in their own backyard? Yours!      
Why aren't news sites like Drudge Report, Real Clear Politics, or MSNBC First Read posting anything mentioning how Sen. McCain's speech on Georgia had sentences taken out of Wikipedia word-for-word?
Does quoting Wikipedia on a foreign policy issue show experienced leadership? If Sen. Obama had made a similar move, it would be a huge story. Why isn't the press asking serious questions about John McCain's leadership? He has essentially the same foreign and economic policy positions as Bush, and he has shown a similar failure to choose tough executive decisions over loyalty to friends (eg. Charlie Black, Phil Gramm, and Randy Scheunemann). Sen. McCain needs to explain how the same morally and politically bankrupt policies that have run our country into the ground over the past eight years is a remotely acceptable plan for moving forward over the next four.
"there's gonna be more wars, my friends, i'm sorry to say...."   but fear not for "i know how to win wars" because, as you all know "i hate war" unless i need to "bomb, bomb bomb bomb bomb iran...."

What would the US do if 2000 of their innocent civilian citizens were killed? They wouldn't wait for UN resolutions - and they didn't when they invaded Afghanistan and Iraq. Guess what Georgia did to Russian citizens - heck, their own citizens as well! Why are American sources not writing about that and make Russia the aggressor? Why are they alienating Russia and protecting the short-sighted, ruthless Georgian president who thought that murdering 2000 people was a good idea? US politicians want to play friends with Georgia in the Russian backyard. Get off your high moral grounds then if you are denouncing Russia's actions.
My heart goes out to all the innocent lives that were lost because of the naive Georgian president who was led on by his allies.
Last week, First Read reported a story on a poll finding that a majority of Americans are hearing too much about Barack Obama. I really hope reporters drop the overrated and overstated "maverick" narrative and begin asking themselves "who is John McCain?" Is he a corrupt Keating-fiver or a pork-barrel-killing MacGyver? Is he a servant to oil or a big-business foil? Is he a neo-con imperialist or a cold-blooded realist? These questions were never seriously asked of Bush in 2000 or 2004, and I think we all owe it too our country to ask ourselves "who is John McCain?"
John McCain's motto is "country first," but he has a history of decisions that indicate "party first," such as uncritically endorsing George Bush for president in 2004, even after he criticized the administration's Iraq policy earlier in the year. He now cites that time period as part of a time in which he was fighting the Bush administration over the Iraq War, but he took the party line when it counted. How could he claim that Bush would make the best President for our country if he believed that the administration's foreign policy was a disaster? Is that putting "country first?" Not only did he uncritically stand by Bush throughout the election campaign (earning himself many hugs and kisses on the head from Bush), he even stood by while GOP convention members wore Purple Heart band-aids; mocking Sen. Kerry, a fellow Navy Veteran. He switched positions and now supports Bush's tax cuts. Such a move helps him with the GOP conservative base, but is it really placing "country first?" His major energy policy focus is "more drilling," which has been the Bush administration's policy for the past eight years. Is an incoherent energy policy based on gimmicks that cowtow to Big Oil putting "country first?"
If Sen. McCain so courageously chooses "country first," how does he account for his choosing "party first" every time the chips are down? Is John McCain nothing but a bunch of one-liners, gimmicks, and clever marketing? His record needs to be investigated more thoroughly to get a better idea of what kind of president he'd really be.
I don't care WHAT shrub saw in Putin's eyes, he's a power-mad ex-KGB guy who wants to restore the Soviet empire, just not in the name of communism.  The Russian threat is back, and unlike Iran, we don't have to guess whether these guys have nukes.
So, the question becomes...are we at war with Eurasia or are we at war with East Asia?  Or both?
After all, an endless war somewhere ratchets up our homeland security to make us all safer, so...War Is Peace!
In My Opinion after what Georgia has done since 1993 I know that Russia has more authority to go into Georgia than the USA did for Afghanistan. Georgia has been actively been supporting the Chechen rebels who have been committing acts of terror against Russia and the non Muslim community in Chechnya. Not only have they been supporting these rebels they have been providing them a safe haven and weapons for their operation.  The Georgian government had committed genocide against separatists who had broken away due to ethnic persecution.  Persecution and killing has continued from 1993 till this year when the Georgians started a large assault on South Ossetia. the death toll on the separatists who most hold Russian passports has reached tens of thousands over the years higher than that of nine eleven as well as that of the Serb Bosnian war thus I believe that the Russians have every right to Invade Georgia for their support of terror and their genocidal war.
FOR ALL PEOPLE WHO MAY NOT KNOW, GEORGIAN PRESIDENT ORDERED ATTACK ON SOUTH OSSETIA AND IT WAS PLANNED. HE USED SAME TROOPS THAT US MARINES TRAINED TO ATTACK. HE USED DIRTY TACTICS, MISSLE CARRIES, TANKS OVER CIVILIAN POPULATION. WHY DIDN'T HE TRIED USING DIPLOMACY? HE THOUGH RUSSIA WILL NOT RETAILIATE, WHAT A JOKE. THEY KILLED 2000 IN ONE NIGHT HOW YOU JUSTIFY THAT? YOU WANT TO BLAME RUSSIA ON THAT? IT WAS NO TIME TO DIPLOMATICALLY SOLVE THIS WHEN YOU USE THIS TYPE OF TACTICS. AND US AND ALLIES SHOULD BE LAST TO TALK TO RUSSIA ABOUT INVADING AND DIVIDING OTHER COUNTRIES. WE INVADED IRAQ AND WE SPLIT SERBIA. FOR ALL PEEPS WHO DON'T KNOW. KOSOVO IS PART OF SERBIA FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS. WE HAD NO RIGHT OF DOING THAT TOO. SO WE NOT THE ONE SHOULD EVEN TELL RUSSIA WHAT NOT TO DO. REMEMBER LEAD BY EXAMPLE. WE HAVEN'T BEEN DOING THAT MUCH.
What would the US do if 2000 of their innocent civilian citizens were killed? They wouldn't wait for UN resolutions - and they didn't when they invaded Afghanistan and Iraq. Guess what Georgia did to Russian citizens - heck, their own citizens as well! Why are American sources not writing about that and make Russia the aggressor? Why are they alienating Russia and protecting the short-sighted, ruthless Georgian president who thought that murdering 2000 people was a good idea? US politicians want to play friends with Georgia in the Russian backyard. Get off your high moral grounds then if you are denouncing Russia's actions.
My heart goes out to all the innocent lives that were lost because of the naive Georgian president who was led on by his allies.


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