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First thoughts: Problems in HillaryLand

Posted: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 9:25 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, and Domenico Montanaro
*** Problems in HillaryLand: Summer doldrums? Then spend the day clicking and reading Josh Green’s Atlantic Monthly piece on the Clinton campaign, as well as all the campaign memos and emails he obtained. It's not a pretty picture of Team Clinton. The memos paint a picture of Mark Penn as someone who just doesn't seem human. They also show Hillary Clinton as shockingly paralyzed; the person who ran on her experience to do the job couldn't make an executive decision in a timely fashion -- or if she did, she wasn't listened to. Bill Clinton was one of the powers behind the scenes, providing the backbone Mark Penn was looking for inside the campaign. The article, as well the memos and emails, is a severe blow to the Clinton Restoration Project -- just as her supporters are trying to get her name onto the convention ballot.

*** It’s the management, stupid: With the news about Edwards’ affair, there has been a lot of revisionist history coming from Clinton circles that, with Edwards out of the race, Clinton would have won the Iowa caucuses and the Dem nomination. Maybe, maybe not. (The Iowa entrance polls showed that Obama beat Clinton 2-to-1 as the second choice among Edwards’ backers.) But as Green’s piece makes clear, Clinton’s management problems would have become an issue -- either in the primary season (sans Edwards) or the general election. “Clinton ran on the basis of managerial competence… In fact, she never behaved like a chief executive, and her own staff proved to be her Achilles’ heel,” Green writes. “What is clear from the internal documents is that Clinton’s loss derived not from any specific decision she made but rather from the preponderance of the many she did not make. Her hesitancy and habit of avoiding hard choices exacted a price that eventually sank her chances at the presidency.” As one prominent Clinton supporter is arguing about the release of these memos, the one person they’re going to damage the most is Clinton herself.

*** Bushwhacked? Yesterday, we mentioned that President Bush’s relatively passive approach to the conflict in Georgia wasn’t doing McCain any favors, because Bush -- attending swimming events at the Olympics, playing beach volleyball -- seemed more disengaged than Obama was in Hawaii. In fact, every time McCain has appeared to have traction on an issue, Bush hasn’t helped. As one Republican reader recalls, the president totally stepped on McCain’s “I will end the Iraq war by 2013” message when he gave his Nazi appeasers speech at the Israeli Knesset. Moreover, when McCain was calling Congress to come back to work on the energy bill, Bush didn’t bother to use his bully pulpit to reiterate that call. And the White House’s support for a general “time horizon” for withdrawal from Iraq -- combined with Maliki’s endorsement of Obama’s 16-month timeline -- seemed to leave McCain all by himself on the withdrawal issue. It's hard enough for McCain to lug around the baggage that is Bush's job rating. But does he actually pro-actively have to find ways to hurt him too?

*** Time for another sit-down interview? WashingtonPost.com reports that Rielle Hunter was WITH Edwards on his presidential announcement tour in late December 2006 -- and it has photos to prove it -- even though Edwards said the affair had ended before he made his presidential announced. Are we really expected to believe that if Elizabeth Edwards knew about her husband’s affair in 2006, she'd allow Hunter to be on the campaign trail?

*** Big think time: There are a few interesting macro-political stories out today. The Los Angeles Times looks at McCain’s potential problem with exurban voters, a demographic Bush won big in 2004. The Washington Post writes about Obama’s troubles with voters 65 and older. And the Wall Street Journal reports on how Republicans -- concerned about all the new voter registration -- are contemplating playing the fraud card. The premise of that WSJ piece, in fact, is going to make Dems nuts and make Republicans very happy. Democrats believe Republicans are cynical about any new voter registrations, and GOPers believe Dems overlook the rules to register voters. The bottom line: The GOP looks like it’s on the side of keeping voter rolls down, which isn't always the best place to be.

*** The one-term pledge: One topic we didn't get to yesterday was the news that McCain either had -- or has -- been thinking about making a one-term pledge. The two biggest issues McCain has to deal with among swing voters are his age and the (R) next to his name. In addition, the one thing that's holding back a slice of voters from going to Obama is his inexperience. Well, there's a school of thought that McCain could offer voters the best of both worlds if he somehow convinces them that he'll be a one-term president, while allowing Obama to season himself up for another four years. There are some Republican strategists who we've talked to who believe that if voters thought they could get Obama as president EVENTUALLY, they'd pick McCain for four years and take Obama after that. The problem is -- How do you sell this now. Will enough voters buy into the idea that a politician will keep his word on a one-term pledge? There's a lot of cynicism about politicians these days (thank you, John Edwards). Also, a one-term pledge certainly raises the stakes for McCain VP pick -- then again, it might give McCain leeway to pick someone he believes needs a little seasoning. The political reality of a one-term pledge is that it could make a President McCain an immediate lame-duck; of course, if he argues he'll take the politics out of the presidency it might allow him to govern as he wants and not feel the need to answer to any one constituency group. And that fact could actually scare conservatives who would worry what havoc a one-term McCain presidency could create on the conservative movement. It's a gamble. But what we know about McCain, he loves to gamble.

*** Downballot spotlight: NBC/NJ’s Carrie Dann notes that Democrats are looking for a hat trick this November in Colorado, aiming to make a Senate win for Rep. Mark Udall their third statewide victory in as many election cycles -- after sending Ken Salazar to the Senate in ‘04 and Bill Ritter to the governor’s mansion in ’06. Udall’s campaign has given them a lot to smile about. He’s got a substantial advantage in fundraising and polling over GOP opponent Bob Schaffer. His reputation as a champion of the environment is worth substantial traction in the Rocky Mountain state, and his high-profile family name doesn’t hurt, either. But Schaffer, Dann adds, continues to hold his own, most recently hammering Udall for reneging on his promise to support a measure that would have kept the US House in session to address offshore drilling. (Udall was fundraising and didn't make it back to DC in time for the vote.) “Schaffer hasn’t really gotten many breaks in this race,” says Jennifer Duffy of the Cook Political Report. “And yet he’s still in the game.” Duffy points out that Schaffer has also been working to paint his opponent as an out-of-touch “Boulder liberal” -- not exactly the kind of centrist Dem that usually does well in the state. If Udall can win despite being tagged as a "Boulder liberal," it will be a reminder of the sea change that could be taking place in this state politically.

*** On the trail: McCain remains in Pennsylvania, holding a town hall in York and conducting interviews in Lancaster. He later heads to a fundraiser in Teaneck, NJ. Obama is still in Hawaii, but his campaign will launch its “Republicans for Obama” effort with a conference call by former US Rep. Jim Leach (R).

Countdown to Dem convention: 13 days
Countdown to GOP convention: 20 days
Countdown to Election Day 2008: 84 days
Countdown to Inauguration Day 2009: 161 days
 
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Here's an alert: we caught onto a new organization forming to Swift Boat Obama in the fall:

http://strategy08.wordpress.com/2008/08/12/this-caught-my-eye/

It’s been a long time since I’ve heard something that just blew my mind, but it happened this morning. I was getting dressed and listening to National Public Radio, and a BRIEF blurb in the news just changed my world.

To paraphrase – a new GAO report shows that TWO THIRDS of American corporations pay NO INCOME TAXES.

NONE.

Here is the AP story title:

Most companies in US avoid federal income taxes
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hK6PvUKazIU7T7oE7Qe-cJwP5rogD92GMEP00

How much do you want to bet that the CORPORATE OWNED media is NOT GOING TO REPORT THIS?

So now, all you Republicans and economic conservatives out there, still complaining about how our corporate taxes are so high – please enlighten me on how this is great for the American people, how overtaxed American companies are?  I guess the small percentage of companies who pay any taxes at all ARE pretty stressed, huh? Good grief.

I daily fight despair when faced with the reality of how our “democracy” works. “We the people” have been taken for a long walk down a short plank – AGAIN!

http://www.gao.gov
yeah from all the polls obama definitely would have gotten edwards voters, and even thoughout the campaign he still got edwards voters.  wolfson is just a sad individual to begin with, but now he starting to make clinton look bad, as though shes holding on to something that could have never been.

New Dem Ad: Exxon John
http://sensico.wordpress.com/2008/08/12/new-dem-ad-exxon-john/
or
http://sensico2.blogspot.com/2008/07/my-blogs.html
With the news about Edwards’ affair, there has been a lot of revisionist history coming from Clinton circles that, with Edwards out of the race, Clinton would have won the Iowa caucuses and the Dem nomination.
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"Revisionist history" is putting it nicely.  Another way of putting it would be "sore-losers".  There are other ways to phrase it too, but my kids are in the room with me.

http://thepajamapundit.com/
Who is hurting who more?  Is Bush hurting McCain more Or is Clintons hurting Obama more?
Howard Wolfson's continued whining, and in the face of the facts, LYING, yesterday just continues to undermine any restoration the Clinton team may be attempting.    The team, and Hillary Clinton (because it's HER responsibility), threw away a sure win and 4 months later they are still acting like children.   For those who say Wolfson doesn't work for Clinton anymore, I say stop being naive.   He's loyal to HIllary and Bill to the end and would not be saying things that were unauthorized.
If MCain runs as a one term president he would be saying that he is too old to go 8 years.  That would probably be true.  He couldn't get anything done anyway in 8 years in a heavily democratic congress.  His presidency would be a total waste of valuable time.
Yesterday, we mentioned that President Bush’s relatively passive approach to the conflict in Georgia wasn’t doing McCain any favors, because Bush -- attending swimming events at the Olympics, playing beach volleyball -- seemed more disengaged than Obama was in Hawaii. In fact, every time McCain has appeared to have traction on an issue, Bush hasn’t helped.

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It also might help if McCain could correctly pronounce the name of Georgia's president.  The man touting his foreign policy experience by claiming he had met with the president of Georgia on several occasions said "Shashkavili" instead of "Saakashvili" not once, not twice, but three times!
Re: Bushwhacked. I totally disagree. I actually think Bush delayed more agressive language in concert with Magoo, in order to make Magoo look more proactive.

On that note, no one in MSM mentioned the confusion in Magoo's message. He threatened Russia then said he encourages diplomatic talks.

At some point some one has to acknowledge that McCain's international diplomacy needs to be questioned. He seems to have inherited Bush's grace.
Yes, the Democrats (Hill and Barack), they're united.
FR...I am trying to understand this?  

Edwards is not even an active politician.  Who in the world cares at this point?  
I care about who we are putting in office now.  If it were Obama who left an ailing wife years ago this would be the talk of the news, but McCain is always getting a free ride.  McCain left his first wife while she was not well and now he says he can help our country; how so?  
He is heartless and brainless and we have had one president run a muck at the cost of many lives and a devastating economy.  
Instead of who is Obama, who is McCain?  Whay kind of man would leave an ailing wife?  How is he good for our country?    
We're STILL talking about Edwards?
Who cares? Let him be.

As far as Team Clinton, I think the best thing for Hillary is if her campaign/former campaign staff just quits talking. She loses credibility every time one of them has a public statement.
it might allow him to govern as he wants and not feel the need to answer to any one constituency group.

Great.  A moron who relies on others (the money trail leading to them being murky, at best) and who won't be accountable to anyone.  Now there's an appealling notion.
Sure, we believe the polls in Iowa were accurate. Just like they were accurate for every other race.

Never, ever use a poll to prove a point. They are so inaccurate, especially this year, that it's laughable to do so.
Edwards is caught in yet another lie. He's on a three-day trip with Hunter to announce his presidency after he's supposed to have ended it and confessed to his wife? Not so much! He's like McCain in that he seems to forget that these days, there is *always* a record of our actions.

What's he going to do now--come back and say "well, I was lying on Friday and for the last year but now I'm *really* telling you the truth."
*** Time for another sit-down interview?
I want to know (Because i always thought it was funny not funny ha ha but funny that Edwards gave a speech the night before he quit his campaign saying he was going all the way to  the convention) if you remember there was all the King maker talk, then the next morning bam he suspends the campaign. WHO GOT TO HIM??????? I mean you don’t say I AM GOING ALL THE WAY at 10:00 P.M. then 9 A.M. pack it up?????????

 
The Republicans are going to do whatever they have to do to reduce voters to people who are like them.  That is what the goal has been since Bush stole Florida.

A one-term McCain Presidency is frightening in the extreme.  He would see it as an opportunity to frame the world in his own limited view. I can't see any Obama supporter being swayed by letting him "season" for four years.  We can't afford four more years of the borrow and spend like crazy, regressive domestic, and dangerous foreign policies of the right wing nut case Republicans.
This memo business is hurting Hillary, I was always worried by the way she managed her campaign. If you can't manage a campaign, that says a lot about your management skills, I probably don't want you running the country. Why oh why didn't she get rid of Mark Penn?!?!
Bush sure looked disengaged when he stood on the White House lawn yesterday and blasted the Russians. FR, and the rest of the liberal whiners need to get a grip and get over their hatred for this man.
"The bottom line: The GOP looks like it’s on the side of keeping voter rolls down, which isn't always the best place to be."
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And why not? Keeping voters from voting worked for the Republicans in 2000 and 2004 with tactics such as "caging lists" and broken-down voting machines in black neighborhoods. That's what all the voter ID laws were about. The Republicans claim their worried about the nearly non-existent crime of voter fraud, when the real crimes were committed against voters, not by them.
Really First Read?

The Clinton's dirty laundry and John Edwards are the biggest stories of the day?

Not the fact that most American coporations pay NO INCOME TAX according to a new GAO report?

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hK6PvUKazIU7T7oE7Qe-cJwP5rogD92GMEP00


Not the fact the Al Sadr has offered to dissolve his militia if the US agrees to a timeline?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080808/ts_nm/iraq_dc;_ylt=AiLRWfJqwUSPa0AFQtOxhM6s0NUE

Not the fact that the McCain campaign still has not address the fact that John McCain can't be an honest broker in so many areas - including the Georgia-Russia conflict because of his LOBBYIST TIES?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121842762192729075.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/11/AR2008081102039.html?hpid=news-col-blogs


Even though you keep reminding us about a "lull" in political news First Read, the lull is actually in your "reporting".
When are the MSM going to talk about the many lobbyists Mccain has on it's campain trail he just added a new one in Ralph Reed remember him? Abramhoff"s close friend everybody should think about those lobbyists as they will want payback and will be against people's interest. BEWARE PEOPLE BEWARE.
I saw the Bob Costas' interview with Bush in China, and can I just say, NBC ought to have Costas train your actual political journalists in how to conduct an interview. His was the best interview of Bush I have ever seen. You could see Bush's strengths and also his cluelessness, all revelaed in Costas' expert hands. Costas is wasted in sports.
Of course if McCain coordinates his message with the Bush administration, then the lefties go of on their rant 'See, McCain is just like Bush'. There is no winning with the liberals of this country. That's why we call them losers.
Hillary Clinton is not fit to lead this country and finally her management style has come to light.

Same with McCain.  He is not mentally fit to lead this country.  He is also quick to anger and coupled with his POW experience, I don't want this man's finger anywhere near the button.

Please read:
http://phoenixnewtimes.com/2008-08-07/news/postmodern-mccain-the-john-mccain-some-arizonans-know-and-loathe
Here's my take on L'affaire Clinton:  When the Clintons' poor sportsmanship arises, it's one more poignant reminder to us all of what Obama's greatest political accomplishment is: He vanquished the 'vaunted Clinton machine.'  One hell of an achievement.  To have Bill or Hillary (or their whiny-assed surrogates) complain is one more great reminder (a la Jesse Jackson of late) about why, especially those in the middle, should like Obama more and more.

Now, while being constantly flayed by the Clintons, McCain, and the entire GOP, Obama remains both cool and politically nimble, sticking to the higher road.  (Even his 'negative' ads are kinda fun and almost good-natured--remember the sort of over the top music on the 'McCain is a talk show guest' commercial?).  People like a winner; McCain is a whiner.
Good grief.  This whole Edwards thing is a mess.  I was reading on HuffPo yesterday some posters were giving him a pass b/c he was "just a guy".

What?

That's like saying McCain's just McCain...oh, wait.  They do.  Nevermind.

I would like to hear what the diehard HRC fans think about this Atlantic report.  You really think she would have won the GE, all things considered?  Put aside your loyalty for a sec and look at it objectively.  Then post.

sotired - Did you watch Imus slobber all over Neil Cavato (sp?) this morning?  Ugh.  Roger Ailes is "one of the best people [he's] ever met."  What, MSNBC fired him and he went to the Dark Side?  Now Imus is also saying that the person he called "Satan" for YEARS would now have been the best candidate?  

Welcome to Bizarro World...
'... the person who ran on her experience to do the job couldn't make an executive decision in a timely fashion -- or if she did, she wasn't listened to....'

THAT'S who the 'Clinton dead enders' want ?
Ditzy, disorganized Hillary ?

'...“Clinton ran on the basis of managerial competence… In fact, she never behaved like a chief executive, and her own staff proved to be her Achilles’ heel,” Green writes. “What is clear from the internal documents is that Clinton’s loss derived not from any specific decision she made but rather from the preponderance of the many she did not make. Her hesitancy and habit of avoiding hard choices exacted a price that eventually sank her chances at the presidency.”...'

So it WASN'T SEXISM
It was incompetence !!
If she couldn't run a campaign, how could she run America ?

TURN THE PAGE !
THROW THE BUMS OUT !
DON'T BRING THE BUMS BACK !

To say NOTHING of the cynical race baiing

Obama/Biden '08

Obama/Clarke '08

Either ticket works
Either would be the rea; 'Dream Ticket'
John Edwards responsible for the cynicism in politics?  PLEASE FR, give us a break!  That responsibility rests very nicely with BUSH and Company who have created the most corrupt government the United States has seen in many generations.  Talk about revisionist history . . .
Love is the powerful thing in the universe...It's just not in the Clinton's playbook...Listen to Bill and Hillary at the Convention...then decide...their only in for their own ambitions...and ask yourself..
Where is the love...it's not there..their very good at covering their anger not expressing the love...
Did anyone notice that when McCain gave his speech on the Georgia-Russia conflict he looked stoned?  I mean no emmotion, no eye movement, like a wall.  No smile, no grimmace, no raised eyebrows, nothing?  What was that?  It was like a robot reeling off words with nothing, no feeling, nothing?  It was just weird.
Nashville_Fan -- you are so right on your view here.

McCain constantly references that the USA has the second highest corporate income tax rate in the industrialized world.  THIS IS TRUE!!!

However, what he doesn't say, is that as compared to GDP, the USA has the lowest collection rate in the industrialized world.

Obama 08
Nashville_fan: '...To paraphrase – a new GAO report shows that TWO THIRDS of American corporations pay NO INCOME TAXES.

NONE...'

Nashville:  EXCELLENT point, I heard that, too
Most companies pay NO CORPORATE INCOME TAX !

And yet, McCain claims that American corporations pay the second highest tax rate in the world !!

Guess what he'd do about it...

NPR is imperfect...
But, they got this story out
Think the MSM will have time (between the Edwards affair stories) ?

Corporate income taxes should be be simplifed and MADE FAIR

Obama/Biden '08
Time for McCain's tongue lashing
The MSM is trying to bring up any and everything to make the Dem party look bad. I know you guys are being paid by the "BIG" people, but why don't you just knock it off already? The Dems are as united as ware gonna get, at this moment. Let it go so we can heal this party for the November elections!
Don't you get it!  McCain wants a war...anywhere.  Let it war, let it war, let it war.  The old man believes he can't lose if there's more conflict in the world and he relishes the thought.  McBlinky alias Keating Five McCain is nothing but a shadow in comparison to the global understanding and ability to deal in the 21st century.
You have to admit it; the press is getting bored without Obama on the scene. I have been paying attention to the news since Obama went on Vacation and one thing I can tell you is that the news cycle is not good without him.

Most of the local news are so weak and even the national media doesn't have anything to write about. I wasn't surprise when the only news on the cable network is about Clinton's memo. Again, that tells me how boring McCain is. I though McCain is press darling, why can't you guy follow him on his entire move.
FR pleae tell me:

Are the Russians water boarding THEIR prisoners ?

That would be barbaric !
That would be uncivilized !!

Are the Russians putting THEIR prisoners in 'stress positions' ?

They better have GREAT PR, if they do

Di Russia 'discover' a letter showing tht Georgia was trying to buy 'yellow cake' from Niger ?

Did they give hte Georgian 48 hours to leave his country ?

Those awful Russians !!
Conservative group went to indonesia to film a hit production on Obama. Uhmnnn!!! Mark Penn et.al. we shall see what they're up to.
I have one BIG question:

Why are the Hillary fans not leaving her in packs because of what has happen to Mr. Edwards and "BILLGATE" type situation...Once again, I hear this statement from the Edwards camp in 2006, "I did not have sex with that woman"  Most Hillary fans are white, female and over the age of 45.... Surely some must be upset about this.. or…are they willing to ignore this for the sake of her possibly becoming VP?
No thanx Chuck. I really don't feel like reading the Clinton's so-called impolite importance. Because of famed deeds they should try and get on LEGENDARY STATUS as the rest of us ACCOMPLISHED.
Yakety-yak-yak-yak!  We are going to have a great democratic convention!  It will be exciting, meaningful and watched!
Unlike, the rep. convention that should have the theme  "Liars, crook, thiefs, and warmongers lend me your ear!"
Hillary has ruined it for women politicians for years to come. What a spoiled brat she is. I'd be happy to give her that catharsis, in the form of some kind of water torture.

McCain does look stoned, but I think it's because he's dull normal intelligence at this point, he's really not all there and is too old to lead us anywhere but in circles.

Edwards did a bad thing, but so did McCain. Let's look into that infidelity, shall we?

Yakety-yak-yak-yak!  We are going to have a great democratic convention!  It will be exciting, meaningful and watched!
Unlike, the rep. convention that should have the theme  "Liars, crooks, thiefs, and warmongers lend me your ear!"
Bush sure looked disengaged when he stood on the White House lawn yesterday and blasted the Russians. FR, and the rest of the liberal whiners need to get a grip and get over their hatred for this man.
TomTom H. (Sent Tuesday, August 12, 2008 9:45 AM)

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TomTom,

The Russian-Georgian conflict started back on Friday.  What was the President doing all weekend?

Michael Phelps, beach volleyball and The Dream Team were more important, I guess.  That, my friend, is called being disengaged!
No, MI chick, was out on my horse at 5:30, too pretty a morning to waste indoors.  

But Imus is a rank conservative, which doesn't bother me until he does the type of interview that you describe.  Then he becomes Scarborough.  
A one term McCain would be scary indeed...he would do whatever he wants, as he doesn't have to worry about pleasing people for reelection...and that's scary! Now that's acting like a coronated king!
I believe First Read should do a time line on one of John Mccains many affairs, the Edwards deal is becoming some what stale. We will all be waiting First Read, get out there and dig up some smut on your buddy Mccain just one time.
The Clintons are playing true to form.  It's all about them.  They are true works of art; although real examples of kitsch.  No wonder she never divorced him...they're matching book-ends for a shelf of books about of self-aggrandizement.  And, Mark Penn is their perfect foot soldier.  Their back stabbing for the purpose of self-vindication is repulsive.  I am a loyal Democrat and I will never vote for a Clinton for any office again.  The queen (and king) is dead... long live the king.  
Obama/Webb '08
FR pleae tell me:

Are the Russians water boarding THEIR prisoners ?
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If you call shooting them on sight and rolling over their bodies with tanks 'waterboarding', then yes, the Russians are 'waterboarding' THEIR (so-called) 'prisoners'.
Why the Clintons again? They are of the past. It's time to turn the page.
Obama Smacks Down McCain's Same Old Politics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3x3Xc6mdK8&eurl

John McCain Kicks It "Old School" - (McCain Rap Song)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE96K01YO24&feature=related

McCain Bush "I Think I Love You" John McSame - Captions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCPigpYTmAw&eurl



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