Obama: When books attack and mislead

Posted: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:15 AM by Mark Murray

The conservative book-buying world is easily one of the more powerful movements in media. And the New York Times front-pages the new attack book on Obama by Swift Boat author Jerome Corsi, and the paper writes that the book will debut No. 1 on the NYT hardcover list. "Significant parts of the book, whose subtitle is ‘Leftist Politics and the Cult of Personality,’ have already been challenged as misleading or false in the days since its debut on Aug. 1. Nonetheless, it is to make its first appearance on The New York Times best-seller list for nonfiction hardcovers this Sunday — at No. 1. The book is being pushed along by a large volume of bulk sales, intense voter interest in Mr. Obama and a broad marketing campaign that has already included 100 author interviews with talk radio hosts across the country, like Sean Hannity and G. Gordon Liddy, Mr. Corsi said on Tuesday."

More: "The publisher is Threshold Editions, a division of Simon & Schuster whose chief editor is Mary Matalin, the former Republican operative turned publisher-pundit. And it is a significant, early success for Ms. Matalin’s three-year-old imprint, which is also planning to publish the memoirs of Karl Rove, President Bush’s longtime political guru. Threshold says it has undertaken an extensive printing effort for anticipated demand, with 475,000 copies of ‘The Obama Nation’ produced so far.”

“‘The goal is to defeat Obama,’ Mr. Corsi said in a telephone interview. ‘I don’t want Obama to be in office.’”

In the book world, there is no fact-checking, a la the MSM and the credibility a hardcover gives to a charge is something the MSM (at least Fox News) ends up covering. This is perhaps the greatest loophole for underground attacks to go mainstream. Forget blogs, the bookworld may still be the best place to push false truths about someone.

Remember that Obama radio ad that accuses McCain of being against "Buy American" and accuses the Republican presumptive nominee of supporting "billions in tax breaks for companies who ship American jobs overseas?" Well, Politifact says the ad's assertion are "True." "The McCain campaign did not respond to Obama's charge" to Politifact or First Read. "But his past words say it all. Obama's claim is True."

This isn't exactly the story the Obama campaign was hoping for after yesterday with the announcement of ex-GOP Rep. Jim Leach was supporting Obama. But they didn't get as much coverage as they hoped. "One prominent moderate Republican not joining the group: Chuck Hagel, the senator from Nebraska. A representative for Sen. Hagel said he will not be joining the group, endorsing a candidate or attending either convention.”

Did Obama really hold a million-dollar fundraiser in Hawaii? Has that EVER happened before since contribution limits were instituted? He raised $1.3 million.

Speaking of fundraisers, Sen. Mary Landrieu's (D-LA) name was taken off an Obama fundraiser announcement (though she'll still be there). Landrieu faces a tough re-election bid against the ironically named Republican John Kennedy.

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“‘The goal is to defeat Obama,’ Mr. Corsi said in a telephone interview. ‘I don’t want Obama to be in office.’”

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Yeah, I'm sure the money he's going to make off of the book is just an unusual side effect. Heaven forbid you attempt credibility by doing honest campaigning.

Pete - Albany, NY (Sent Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:22 AM)

Im sick of these attack books, in september obama is going to release his own book and it will be about policy and how we can move America forward. But, I do think Obama should address this, because the fact that its a best seller is whats going to make low information voters think that this book is legitimate.

find out more about obama's upcoming book
http://sensico.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/obama-writing-a-new-book/

camie (Sent Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:25 AM)

Mark:

"Forget blogs, the bookworld may still be the best place to push false truths about someone."

Didn't you mean to say "falsehoods" about someone?

Gail, TN (Sent Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:27 AM)

Why do I feel like I've been slimed evertime one of these repukes come out with yet another book on why we shouldn't vote for Obama, rather than why we should vote for McGoo. It worked on Kerry in 04, but not this time repukes, not this time, you had control for 8 long miserable years, time to throw the traitors out of office. Yes, the repukes are traitors because they support the complete takeover of our country by corporations instead of defending and supporting the constitution. Not this time.

justthinkinoutloud (Sent Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:27 AM)

Class Warrior, D.C. (Sent Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:28 AM)

Everyone is in attack mode. This may have worked on Kerry but it will not work this time. The conservatives will do any and everything to spread lies and make money. This is a shameful act.

MIA in Miami (Sent Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:32 AM)

Sue him for slander!

Cheri, Scottsdale, AZ (Sent Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:32 AM)

John Corsi is a hack. Here's a guy who is widely accused of plagiarism, believes in crack-pot conspiracy theories (the Government is secretly planning to join with Canada and Mexico to form the "North American Union") and suspiciously came out with a book during that last election that was filled with distortion and out-right lies.

And who are his sources in these books? Hannity? G. Gordon Liddy? Why not just round it out with the toothfairy and you'll have an entire panel of fictional credentials and false logic.

Rich, Pittsburgh PA (Sent Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:32 AM)

"In the book world, there is no fact-checking, a la the MSM and the credibility a hardcover gives to a charge is something the MSM (at least Fox News) ends up covering. This is perhaps the greatest loophole for underground attacks to go mainstream. Forget blogs, the bookworld may still be the best place to push false truths about someone. "
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Instead of my usual long winded rant, I will just say that I disagree.

This year - all the McCain campaign has to do is look the American people in the face and lie. It doesn't matter what the format is - ads, political talk shows, blogs, or books - no one in the mainstream media is going to challenge him. (Is there fact checking anywhere? Lie on the front page, "fact check" on the back - not very effective.)

Sad but true.

Just like the book publishers are making big bucks off of lies, so is the cable "news".

I've accepted it . . . just trying to free enough folks from "the matrix" to possibly win an election. Other than that, the "news" is just a euphamism these days. It should be renamed "the spin."

Nashville_fan (Sent Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:34 AM)

[“‘The goal is to defeat Obama,’ Mr. Corsi said in a telephone interview. ‘I don’t want Obama to be in office.’”]

Really? It's not to make a ton of money? There aren't words to describe how disturbing this statement is.

[In the book world, there is no fact-checking, a la the MSM and the credibility a hardcover gives to a charge is something the MSM (at least Fox News) ends up covering. This is perhaps the greatest loophole for underground attacks to go mainstream. Forget blogs, the bookworld may still be the best place to push false truths about someone.]

This explains a lot - plus, everyone dismisses "blogs" - including our fearless leader, Chucky T.

However, has anyone told the cons that you can't return the book once it's been in the bathroom?

MI Chick (Sent Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:34 AM)

"Obama's claim is True."

Of course it was. If First Read had fact checked this yesterday, they would have taken about two seconds to validate it. Instead we get "Hard to tell the truthfulness."

Also, I would hardly call Chuck Hagel a 'moderate' Republican. I think his refusal to endorse his party's candidate is more damning than his refusal to endorse Obama.

http://www.rodneyhopper.com

Rodney Hopper, Waxahachie, TX (Sent Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:36 AM)

Get a load of the junk being peddled at the Conservative Book Club web site:

http://www.conservativebookclub.com/products/SearchResults.asp?ProdCat=2008&ProdCatName=Election+2008

It's gonna be a long autumn.....

Pete Caloger Bushkill, PA 18324 (Sent Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:36 AM)

Pete - Albany, NY (Sent Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:36 AM)

“‘The goal is to defeat Obama,’ Mr. Corsi said in a telephone interview. ‘I don’t want Obama to be in office.’”
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Regardless of the facts,...let's don't let details like that 'muddy' the proverbial waters, shall we?

What a crock. Tell me again why Caraville likes her? Politics indeed make strange bedfellows.

Clara Kansas City, MO (Sent Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:37 AM)

It is the media's obligation to referee the game. If the media is as ambitious as they were in putting out Rev. Wright non- stop for weeks, they should be just as adament in stomping out subjective rhetoric like this. The media has cover Obama more but hasnt given him favorable coverage. The media has fed into McCain's theme of questioning Barack's place in this race. The media covers too much of is Barack ready to lead, why people dont trust Obama, Obama needs to have a good trip to boost foreign policy on and on and on. They never explain what McCain needs to do. They never call him to the carpet on anything. If the media was fair and balanced, Barack would lead in a blowout. It seems that historically credit news sources are slowing adopting the Fox News network.

Philly (Sent Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:37 AM)

Ok, this Book is being put out there by someone who has a motive for doing this, its to keep barack obama from becoming president. Ok, the book is filled with lies and mistruths. this same kind of book was put out against john kerry, and now we see how that turned out, I must ask one question, as americans, are we really this STUPID?, i mean really this STUPID?.
what does this say about us. we are narrow minded, short sided,non educated, Poor and miss informed.

this is starting to me look to be true, 4 short years ago the same kind of material was put out against john kerry, and we were stupid enough to believe it and let GWB stick around for 4 more years!!! ok if this works again after we saw what happen last time, i must say to every body out there, on first read and blogs, and posts, that the comments we leave,

Ira, dianne, pat, all of us we need to stop posting,
because we are when it comes down to is are very stupid people!!!

Jeff D Evanston IL. (Sent Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:38 AM)

Corsi is another idiot in society. Instead of writing about the economy, its effects, and how the American people can lift this failed economy from the ashes; I am not concerned about this stupid book.

This is the same turd who slandered Kerry and we ended up with Bushwack again; what {smart} American would invest in this?

Come hell or high water, I am voting for Obama, because we don't need another warmonger in the White House. How is McBush going to do all the things he {says} he is going to do and spend billions of dollars in Iraq and Afghanistan a month? We will continue to be in 2 wars, McBush is crazy and anyone voting for him is CRAZY! This is general mathematics; it is not going to happen without us continuing to borrow money and continuously increase the deficit amount.

Darn does this mean Hagel will not be VP...what????

I am still asking why are the republicans remaining mute on the Edwards affair? Normally, they hop on everything. They sure would hate to continue their standard of being hypocrites since McCain does not have clean hands on this issue.

Michelle Zee (Sent Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:40 AM)

The United States of American – Home of the Free and the Brave! Free enough to lie about others and free to accept those lies as truth. Free to cover blatant racism under the guise of “fear of the unknown and strange”, free to not only be unthinking but unfeeling. Plus brave enough to hide behind those lies and delusions.

I am a seventy year old female who realizes that this election is, perhaps, the most important in my lifetime. I am one who has been cured of “Republicanism” by the past eight years. I am one who placed more than a little hope for the change Senator Obama has represented in this country. Change not only in “politics as usual”- but change in attitudes within this country. I had hoped that we, as a nation, had finally matured.

I am horrified at the resurgence of attitude that has allowed this to happen and I am horrified by those who will accept the written page as absolute truth. I can only pray that some day in some way, we will recover from the ills presented before us.

I still wholeheartedly support Senator Obama in his quest to be President of the United States. I not only believe that he deserves this honor, but that the people of the United States deserve a leader that is intelligent, capable, honorable, and reasonable. Haven’t we suffered enough under the opposite characteristics?

One needs to question if we can actually survive another four or eight years of what we have already witnessed.

Mrs J - Illinois (Sent Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:41 AM)

can't there be a libel suit against a non-fiction writer who spews lies?

it's sad that people who pick this up will consider themselves intellectuals, but they will never check the facts or find corroborating evidence for anything that this book states as fact.

i hope americans are now smart enough to see through the web of misinformation that this author spews.

Tzalaran (Sent Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:42 AM)

I guess somebody had better read it to McShame. Judging by his speeches, it would take him longer than the 3 months remaining to finish it himself.

Brian, Cedar Hill, TX (Sent Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:47 AM)

The Obama campaign is giving new meaning to the term'selling its policy to the public'. In September, it will cost taxpayers 13.95 to purchase His policies for governing, to be written by his campaign staff, (profits going to an unnamed charity, of course). If one of those policies draws heat, the Obama can distance Himself from it-after all, these are the words of a staffer. When are people going to wake up? There is still time to nominate a real candidate-someone with experience, drive, and genuine ideas that are not so far out of the mainstream he or she doesn't have a chance to get elected. Someone who is not on every side of every issue. Someone who is not Obama.

Donna. Lincroft, NJ (Sent Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:47 AM)

It is clear that Amercians want to know the truth, and that is why books like these are #1 in sales. Then you have Nancy Pelosi publishing her brand of the truth, and no one wants to read about those lies.

Obama is in serious trouble for this election, and it's about now that the American people are finding out about the real Obama, and they are not going to be pleased.

Sidekick, Toledo OH (Sent Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:48 AM)

The sad part is most of the idiot ditto heads really believe this stuff.

Ever wonder why republicans like to strip funding for education to the bare bones? Because generally you can't convince an (honest) educated person to become a republican. It must be taught from the earliest ages or capitalized on in the most uneducated of populations.

CitizenJ (Sent Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:49 AM)

It's funny to read all of the Obama supporters here in these MSNBC blogs. They are the acknowledged majority. I've been reading these for months. Reading people crowing "not this time". Well, no one has knocked on my door, no one has called my home to tell me about Obama. If you really want to win, you'd better come out from behind your keyboards and start talking to people in your neighborhoods who do not read these blogs. I've been out several times myself. Lots of people are scared due to the negativity that they have heard at work from other ill informed people and they are voting for McCain. It's easy to sit back with a bunch of like minded folks and think that you have the election won. Be careful. This is a long fight and lots of people will read, and believe, this idiot's book just like they did in 04. You can't fight back from your keyboard talking with a bunch of people who largely feel the same way you do about the status quo.

Middle American (Sent Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:53 AM)

I knew it. The Right Wing Lie Machine is in full Swft-Boat mode. Hopefuly, there'll be someone to fact-check and expose the lies and nonsense this book will try to use to brainwash gullible inbreds (most of whom wouldn't vote for him anyway because he's black---the reason I suspect Corsi "doesn't want him in office."
Class Warrior, D.C. (Sent Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:28 AM)

You need to change your screen name. Labeling a group of people as "gullible inbreds" and playing the race card show NO CLASS, Class Warrior.

NObama (Sent Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:53 AM)

They've got to joking about this ..?
The GOP should have paid off Harry Potter to
slay the evil, liberal, tax raising, human rights,
anti-communist, leftwing, tax and spend democrats.
The youth vote would be a more gainful play..

BJ, CA (Sent Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:54 AM)

Time for a book burning party.
This "comment" is a free ad for the book! I for one, won't read it.Shame on MSN. Promoting lies and calling it news confirms to me that you are on the take big time! You can't put the Genie back in the bottle.

Lies Lies and more Lies (Sent Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:56 AM)

Only idiots will read that book. I am not worried about that book at all. Only hard core conservatives will read it. I don't think independent, that is needed to win, will read the book.

As far as i can tell, most of the orders were bulk orders and that means conservatives money machine bought the book in order to distribute at their convention.

Bee (Sent Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:56 AM)

This makes me sick...yet, even with the falsehoods it contains, it will get top billing on every news site--some who may paint it for what it is (a compendium of lies and propaganda) and some who would swear to it as if it were the Bible.

FR, we shouldn't bury the fact that the information in the Obama radio ad against McCain is true--we should trumpet it as loudly as possible. McCain's ads have been filled with lies, yet he gets free play of such lies in news loops throughout the 24 hr. news cycle. The point that SHOULD be discussed is that McCain's own record is his worst enemy--and the truth of that record should be made known. Why are so many in the media hesitant or downright afraid to show McCain for who he really is?

The fact that Obama has a 5 or 6 point lead nationally is incredible, considering all the trash he has had thrown at him from all sides. I admire him for the campaign he has run and the classiness he continues to exhibit, however, these lies must be countered. The media would be doing the public a GREAT service if you actually kept reporting what was TRUE, instead of speculating on the poll impact of the lies being spread by those who don't want to lose their grasp of the executive branch.

We keep hearing about John Edwards and his affair. While the fact that he did what he did disgusts me, and I truly feel great sorrow for his wife and family, no one seems to address the issue that McCain's past is just as morally questionable. Added to that is the fact that your focus on these prurient interests continues to bury the untruths being flung at Obama. I have had it with McCain getting a pass for his voting record, for his lie-filled ads, his so-called commitment to "values" and his hawkish "solutions" to every foreign policy issue.

Yet the neocon agenda is allowed to flourish, actual facts be damned, and the MSM will continue to speculate on these "issues" without giving Obama fair air time to debunk this crud. Try and address, at least for a news cycle or two, on the lies McCain is telling...on his hideous voting record...on the real story about his abandonment of his first wife and family. The only ones among you who have the intestinal fortitude to do so are Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow.

Back to the story at hand, this so-called book should be debunked, repeatedly, bestseller or not. It wouldn't be the first piece of trash to hit #1 on the NYT Bestseller List.

I just pray that Obama wins in November. I'm sick of Republican lies, and I'm volunteering for and contributing money to Obama to do all that I can in my little corner of the world to fight back against this sea of lies and to send a clear message to Republicans, especially McCain: "NOT THIS TIME!"

GO OBAMA '08/'12!

PAMama4Obama (Sent Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:57 AM)

How much money did Pelosi make off her book? It didn't sell, but the publisher [a shill for Democratic causes] probably paid her a heafty cash bonus up front. Has Nancy topped 3000 in sales yet?

Money Matters (Sent Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:58 AM)

NBC: Thank you for discrediting this kind of garbage we see every four presidential cycles. TPM has also discredited this liar's garbage and one other interesting point: A TPM reader is telling the site that according to NYT this author's book was purchased in bulks, which means one or two individuals.

tom NY (Sent Wednesday, August 13, 2008 10:04 AM)

" Reading people crowing "not this time". Well, no one has knocked on my door, no one has called my home to tell me about Obama. If you really want to win, you'd better come out from behind your keyboards and start talking to people in your neighborhoods who do not read these blogs. I've been out several times myself. Lots of people are scared due to the negativity that they have heard at work from other ill informed people and they are voting for McCain. "

-Middle American
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Great post - couldn't agree more - and I am definitely going to do EVERYTHING in my power to get Senator Obama elected.

Thanks for the reminder.

P.S. I feel that many of the commenters here are trying to provide a counterbalance to the MEDIA BIAS that is being shown for John McCain, not just pat ourselves and Senator Obama on the back.

However, it is good to know that somewhere out there, other people can see through all the lies.

Nashville_fan (Sent Wednesday, August 13, 2008 10:11 AM)

Well, now it's time for Obama to prove what he said during the primaries: he's skinny, but he's tough. It's time for Obama to ACT like he's from the mean streets of Chicago and start hitting McCain, the Republicans and the MSM. Let's see how McCain fights against the truth--starting with dumping his disabled first wife for an heiress.

Cindy Lou, TX (Sent Wednesday, August 13, 2008 10:12 AM)

As I said before and I will say again Obama has to beat the Republican slime, MSM, and John McCain if he wants to be President. I hope he can.

Be Real NY, NY (Sent Wednesday, August 13, 2008 10:15 AM)

Mary Matalin proves that the devil is a woman, what a victory for feminists.

GW, Vancouver, Canada (Sent Wednesday, August 13, 2008 10:21 AM)

The book hits the New York Times best seller list at number one.
WHY?
Because of mass sales, meaning some rich dude repubs are buying in bulk to make it look like the book is selling like hot cakes.
Another example of the manipulation of information to lie to the public.
And the media just goes along and pretends that lies equal truth when in print or on TV.
Nasville Fan, I am on the same wavelength as you, the media is part of the problem and pretends it is part of the solution.

John Alexander,PA (Sent Wednesday, August 13, 2008 10:21 AM)

Rich,Bee,Justthinkingoutloud,ad nauseum:

wow, you guys sure are worried. Wonder why?

Cheri. Scottsdale: go ahead. try it. Find something in the book that can be legally deemed slanderous, or libelous.

Hint: if they could, they (DNC, Obama campaign)already would have

" ....shake, baby shake, ......"

me, illinois (Sent Wednesday, August 13, 2008 10:25 AM)

"the real McCain the left wing attack book on John McCain has yet to pass 3,000 in sales.
wonder why?

What-you_Selling (Sent Wednesday, August 13, 2008 10:35 AM)

This book is a best seller because it is being sold in bulk to Conservative groups who buy in the thousands and store them in their basements or distribute them for free.

The benefit of getting your book on the best seller list is that they can then be guaranteed lots of free advertising, interviews on all the talk shows, bragging rights on the radio talk shows etc.

The cost of the books purchased and then discarded is a small drop in the bucket compared to the money that flows their way if they keep Republicans in power.
That is why so many Republicans have long ago discarded the truth and integrity, the payback is enormous.
We must now consider them the party of Greed Over People.

Eileen, Portland, Maine (Sent Wednesday, August 13, 2008 10:35 AM)

The Machine:

1) Political Hacks from the far right, write books filled with lies, innuendo of conspiracy, and lack of patriotism (be afraid, very afraid).

2) Only die hard rightwingers read it and of course believe it. Most people don't buy the book.

3) Rightwing comentatores start using quotes from it.

4) 527 start referencing these books as if they are credible biographies.

5) Low IQ voters (which tend to be clumped in red states) now start to believe it.

6) People start talking about it at work and with their other low IQ friends.

Here is a break down that Nashville_fan has posted before:

http://thehostess.wordpress.com/2008/07/09/mensa-versus-moron-iqs-by-state-and-how-they-voted-in-2004/

James C., Arizona (Sent Wednesday, August 13, 2008 10:37 AM)

I worked in a book store when John Corsi put out his book that basically called John Kerry a comunist want-a-be. The major problem with availabilty of the book was that the publisher didn't have enough ready when they changed the release date. I don't know if all of that was true, but it wasn't really relevant to the 2004 race. If it had been published for a 1976, 1980, 1984 presidential race, then Kerry would be out of politics. After the store I worked in got a whole bunch and the supply was regular, sales dropped off quickly; it got a 50% off sticker within a month or so of the release.

I don't under how this guy can really say that he is anything but an attack dog. I don't care how true or false is accusations are at this point, he writes for the right wing people who wouldn't vote for any Democrat even if it were to save their lives.

S.B. Stein E.B. NJ (Sent Wednesday, August 13, 2008 10:39 AM)

Isn't Corsi one of the wingnut writers who sued Regnery for not paying the royalties they THOUGHT they should get? Because Regnery basically GAVE their work away to wingnut book clubs? Gawd, won't this bozo (sorry, Bozo!) ever learn?

Sucker Bet (Sent Wednesday, August 13, 2008 10:49 AM)

Should not the New York Times place a book based on half truths and lies in the Fiction category, not the Non-Fiction?

Bubba, Corona CA (Sent Wednesday, August 13, 2008 10:53 AM)

But the real bottom line to the proliferation of this kind of junk is that it sells.

Pete Caloger Bushkill, PA 18324 (Sent Wednesday, August 13, 2008 11:03 AM)

ARE WE REALLY SURPRISED??

THE RUPUGS GIVE THEIR SHEEP FOOD...

THEY FEED THEIR NEED TO BE BACWARDS AND PREJUDICE...

THEY KNOW THEIR SHEEP WELL

OBAMA IS TO GOOD FOR THIS SORRY, IGNORANT COUNTRY

MR (Sent Wednesday, August 13, 2008 11:03 AM)

To James C., Arizona:

While the link you provided was interesting, I think you have me confused with someone else - because I'd never seen it! :)

P.S. As a current resident of Tennessee and recent resident of Alabama - I would disagree that the residents of these and other southern states are "morons" - I think sometimes when a group of people get the shaft for so long and are the butt of national jokes, the political party that takes them seriously wins a whole lot of loyalty.

Let's hope reality trumps loyalty this year.

Nashville_fan (Sent Wednesday, August 13, 2008 11:08 AM)

When you use somebody's picture ona book to tell lies about him without his permission,you should be made to pay for it,this irresponsibles should be punished for their sins.It's time to wake up America,this is not about personalties it is about wrong and bad policies that has to change

Bradley (Sent Wednesday, August 13, 2008 11:26 AM)

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