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First thoughts: Losing my religion?

Posted: Friday, August 15, 2008 9:20 AM by Mark Murray
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From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, and Domenico Montanaro
*** Losing my religion? On Saturday night, McCain and Obama appear at their first forum together when they speak at Rick Warren’s Saddleback Church in California. And it’s another excellent peg to look at the religious vote in this presidential campaign. According to the polls, McCain is faring well among evangelicals. In last month’s NBC/WSJ survey, he had a 64%-24% lead over Obama with this group, and a recent Barna Group poll had him up 61%-17%. But when it comes to religion, McCain isn’t George W. Bush, and he has two challenges. One, do these evangelicals come out in same numbers and with the intensity that they did in 2004 (and if not, how does he make up the difference)? And two, is Obama able to peel off enough of them (especially those under 40) to make the difference in key states? This is a HUGE opportunity for Obama. Time and again, he has been more open to talking about his relationship with God, while McCain has been more reticent on the topic. But, to put on our NBC-Universal hats again, who's going to be watching? Saturday is the night Michael Phelps will be potentially swimming for his eighth, record-breaking gold medal. Just sayin'… Still, a big performance by Obama in front of an evangelical crowd could resonate longer than McCain doing well.

*** Popping the trial balloon: That thud you just heard was the Ridge/Lieberman VP trial balloon that social conservative activists quickly popped. They couldn't find reporters fast enough to denounce the prospect of McCain adding a pro-choice pol to his ticket. “It absolutely floored me,” Phil Burress, head of the Ohio-based Citizens for Community Values, told the Politico’s Jonathan Martin. “It would doom him in Ohio.” Home School Legal Defense Association President Mike Farris said to the Washington Times: “If Tom Ridge is on the ticket, I will not be voting Republican.” Then again, if this was a trial balloon, wasn’t this the response McCain is looking for?

*** Obama’s stealth ad campaign: Over the past week, we've gotten our hands on a number of negative TV ads Obama's been running against McCain in key states like Ohio and Michigan. This is in addition to the tough spot, uncovered by Politico [*** UPDATE *** Actually the spot was uncovered by the Washington Times' Christina Bellantoni, who reported on it yesterday and was linked to by Politico] , that Obama's airing in Indiana. Clearly, the Obama campaign isn't interested in telling the media about every single McCain attack ad they’re running. Perhaps this is because Obama's brand can't afford to be tarnished too much if he's seen as constantly running negative TV ads. So the campaign simply puts them on the air in key markets, doesn't tell the press about them, and layers those ads with positive ones being run nationally during the Olympics. Also, by not releasing to the media, it forces the McCain camp to wait a day or two before they see the ad. McCain's camp is much more comfortable unveiling their negative ads, perhaps because they want the free press that comes with them. But make no mistake, Obama’s running plenty of negative TV ads, particularly in the industrial Midwestern states. In fact, one of Obama's biggest candidate strengths -- which doesn't get the attention it deserves -- is that he plays political hardball as well as his opponents; he just sometimes does it under the radar.

*** Georgia on McCain's mind: McCain has dominated the week on the Georgia-Russia issue, but the Washington Post today wonders if he's been too aggressive here. In one of our classic double-standard alerts, ask yourself how outraged the RNC and McCain's camp would be if Obama were "dispatching" senators to the region…

*** Release the numbers! We just received an email that McCain campaign manager Rick Davis will hold a conference call at 9:30 am ET to discuss his campaign’s fundraising. We assume we'll see the campaign’s July numbers, which don’t have to be filed with the FEC until August 20. *** UPDATE *** The McCain camp says it raised $27 million in July, per the AP. We'll have more on this later today...

*** Downballot spotlight: Per NBC/NJ’s Carrie Dann, the question isn’t whether Mark Warner will win his upcoming Senate race in Virginia -- the question is by how much. Indeed, polls show him skating towards a 20-point win in a state that’s at the top of Obama’s battleground list, and he’s just been recruited to deliver this year's keynote convention speech -- the same primetime platform that launched Obama into a glittering national spotlight.  But how much can the massively popular king of the Old Dominion (he left office with an 80% approval rating) transfer his NASCAR appeal to Obama in the red-leaning counties where the Democratic nominee must outperform predecessors dating back to 1964?  “It would be a big feather in [Warner's] cap if Obama carried Virginia,” says UVA political analyst Larry Sabato, who notes that Warner may end up being owed more credit if the state goes blue than current governor and veep potential Tim Kaine. Sabato acknowledges that Warner could risk losing a few points of support if he pushes hard in rural areas for Obama. “But,” he adds, “he can certainly afford it.” If Warner touts his support for Obama in the state’s rural Southwest, Sabato says, “you’re talking about a couple of points. But this is very, very close. Potentially, that’s the election.”

*** On the trail: McCain remains in Colorado, where he holds campaign meetings and then a "campaign filming day. Obama ends his vacation in Hawaii and returns to the US mainland, and his campaign unveils the 10 winners of the “Backstage with Barack” contest for the Dem convention. Yesterday, NBC/NJ’s Matthew E. Berger profiled one of these winners: Eric Melder.

Countdown to Dem convention: 10 days
Countdown to GOP convention: 17 days
Countdown to Election Day 2008: 81 days
Countdown to Inauguration Day 2009: 158 days
 
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Why are the religious leaders and people so much behind Senator McCain? The man divorces his wife who help cared for him when he was release from being a POW.  He then married the "Rich Beer Lady" who helps to pay his ex-wife alimony still today...WHY?? If he leaves the wife who supported him when he was missing and hurt.  What will he do to us for sake of money??
"In one of our classic double-standard alerts, ask yourself how outraged the RNC and McCain's camp would be if Obama were "dispatching" senators to the region…"

Thanks for the nuance; but we've all asked that here in the blog - all week.  Nice that you caught up; now why don't you go ahead and ACT on the tip by doing some hard hitting journalism?
I really believe that if McCain thinks that either Lieberman or Ridge can help him with independents, he will do it anyway.  Hope he does.
In other words, McCain again vacations for 3-4 days in Aspen, while Obama takes his kids to visit his grandmother.

BTW, who does raise McCain's kids?
You guys in the MSM really need to define exactly what a "negative" ad is. I've always been of the opinion that a "negative" ad was one where one person attacks the others characters or lies/misrepresents their positions. But if you go after your opponent on legitimate issues, then why is it "negative"? It might be an "attack", but there IS such a thing as a legitimate attack ad.

It just seems like you should be making a distinction between ads that are flat out lies/misrepresentations/character assassination and those that are address legitimate points of difference between the candidates. One is acceptable, the other is not. But rarely does the MSM take the time to draw that distinction, and lumps them all together.

Dazed and Confused. John McCain Says He Needs More Sleep.
From the left….Talking Points Memo has compiled a low-lites video of Sen. John McCain,
R-Ariz, appearing "dazed and confused" on the stump -- though it's what Brit Hume called a "senior moment," not cannabis, that Democrats suggest is at play. Watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWX5u69hmzY&eurl


John McCain: Early Improprieties. Lobbyists, Lobbyists
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r-kOIs-W6E&eurl

McCain: Britney & Paris Ad Parody
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fvvNU7fBxk&feature=related
So Obama is running stealth negative ads?  While pretending to be oh so positive?  Why am I not surprised?  Those of us who THINK can see right through him, while those who FEEL ignore anything about him that disturbs their vision of the man.  Before Obama supporters begin screaming that McCain is also running negative ads, let me state that it is not the ads that are disturbing, it is the lie of omission about running them that is the problem.  Just another example of how he is on every side of every issue.
I think we all know that the current GOP is not your father's GOP ... unfortunately. "The times, they are a-changin'" (Dylan said that) "the only thing permanent is change" (I said that).
"McCain's camp is much more comfortable unveiling their negative ads, perhaps because they want the free press that comes with them."
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Um, yeah, no kidding. Like first graders trundling after the ball in a soccer game,  you guys dutifully repeat the McCain lie <i>de jour</i> and breathlessly wait for the rebuttal. McCain can count on your guys to do a lot of his heavy lifting.
Who said Senator Obama wasn't 'experienced' enough?  I think he and his campaign are demonstrating a very savy approach to campaigning. I like that they haven't been telling the media everything.  It isn't a requirement and I know it has to drive the mccain camp nuts!  That's the best part!
the mccain campaign knows their numbers are down so they are being slow to release them.  obama's DHL ad for ohio is crazy.  I like state specific ads so they can tell people why they are important to that candidates and what the candidate can do to help them in their states
see DHL ad its nice
Slam Dunk: Obama DHL Ad 4 Ohio
http://sensico.wordpress.com/2008/08/15/slam-dunk-obama-dhl-ad-4-ohio/
or
http://sensico2.blogspot.com/2008/07/my-blogs.html
I think Obama's ad buys have been great.  I am happy I live in a battleground state and I have seen most of them.  I am very proud of the way he's run his campaign.  I went ahead and read the 40 page .pdf rebuttal to Corsi's novel.  Yeah, whatever.  I'm embarassed for Matalin.  I have never agreed with her position; but I used to think she was principled about them.  I guess not.

I am ready for Obama to be back on the trail.  10 more days to the convention, and I can't wait.
I live in Maine, but I think Mark Warner could boost Obama in any state he stumps for him in. Warner radiates competency, rationality, and non-partisanship. He's the anti-Bush. I wish I could have voted for Warner for President. I'm looking forward to the keynote speech.
Beware of Barna's categories.  40% of the population self-identify as evangelicals, but the Barna folks only count 8%. They made their own definition, and decided that out of every 5 people who call themselves evangelical, 4 of the 5 are mistaken.

Barna findings on evangelicals are therefore much smaller than they sound. YOu'd think 61% of evangelicals was just under 25% of the country (61% x 40%) but it's not.  61% of Barna evangelicals is less than 5% (61% x 8%.
McCain raised $27 million in July ... He has to spend it all by the end of August to accept the $84million public funding
I bet Obama would fit better in one of those NASCAR
driver suits than McOld White hair dude...

Let the silly competion begin...any BFE takers...
McOld and Barack in an oval track race...super modified or stock cars...
Obama runs just as many and just as harsh negative ads as McCain. He's nowhere near above the fray, and, in fact, it's typical Obama doing his best to hide his dirt while making everyone believe he's flawless.

He's the truest form of dirty politician and is a disgusting person. Who should you trust more, the guy you disagree with but looks you in the eye about it or the guy who pretends to be your friend with every intention of stabbing you in the back? McCain isn't perfect, and he wasn't my first choice, but I will vote for him because Obama is a snake who cannot be trusted.
Could someone here post an explination of how you come up with uour electoral count. The numbers are way off all of the independent poll watchers.  Obama has a huge lead in all of the other counts.  You still have Pennslvania as a toss up.  Where do your numbers come from?
Hello, What's going w/ the Clinton's calling for an Clinton/Obama ticket. What is wrong w/ these people? Where is your report on this issue?
America will get it's look at how the Debates may go on saturday. Barack is very comfortable talking about his Religion as compared to Mccain.

As for Corsi's book of Lies"Who cares".

Joe Biden will bring energy to the Democratic party when he's announced as VP. He's an attack dog armed with Fact's, something the Gay Ole Party has an issue with.Good Bye Mccain!!!

Is the MSM gonna hammer Mccain with his Presumptive attitude in the same way they did Barack, don't hold your breath?

27 million for McCain, not bad, maybe the 26% of Ignorant American's can donate somemore of thier $ to the sinking ship called "The Gay Ole Party".

Delusional Thinking By Common Sense American's Is Over!!!!
"Losing My Religion?"

It's easy to lose one's religion at an early age when first the priests & nuns ask that you all hold hands and pray and ask that we thou shalt not steal & love thy neighbor. Then the next minute they're telling you what a miserable worthless sinner you are because you didn't shovel the sidewalk or you got caught cheating by eating a hamburger on a Friday.

8-9 years old listening to this hypocrisy can no doubt leave a kid a little skpetical. It doesn't mean you can't grow up to have a kind heart and live a good life. It just means there are hypocrites everywhere, especially the local neighborhood church.

Or on FOX Propaganda.

They're supposed to have religion in their lives over @ Fox? Never in my life have I heard such hatefulness as I have when I listen to O'Reilly/Hannity, et al for all of 2 minutes.

Although I will say it's nothing new. I've come to expect it.

Did anyone notice how bitter, unsatisfying and frustrated that girl from PUMA looked on Hardball if this is representative of PUMA i can understand why they seem crazy they are. How sad.  
Full Moon:  You aren’t liberal enough to quote Dylan.  (I typed this from the other day when you quoted him)  And, for the record, the point in Dylan’s song is that it doesn’t matter who the enemy is, if you are taught to hate – THAT is what you cling to (guns and religion, notwithstanding).  Why you invoked that, is beyond me – unless to justify your irrational position?

"So congressmen, Senators please heed the call,..."

I believe you are relegated to quoting Toby Keith,...
And 27 million is BREAKING NEWS? How much did Obama raise? Twice that? Difference between the two is Obama gets donations from us "common folk" who give him $100 here and there and McCain raises money in closed door fundraisers with Bush and lobbyists.
"if they bring a knife to the battle, we'd bring a gun"-obama
10 Things you should know about McCain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-tKiFw9x6E&NR=1

THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF TEST for McCain.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgF39TRCPPE&eurl

Republicans and miltary men on John McCain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdJUCU1UH2w&eurl

The Republicans are a bunch of hypocrites when it comes to "religion" or anything that is valued in this country. Even though GWB is perceived as a stauch Christian, the man has not demonstrated true Christian characteristics by the way he has governed. He has allowed torture both at Gitmo and Abu Gherib, have unfairly fired lawyers because they are not been Republican enough, and countless other things we don't even know about at this point. In other words, the Bush Administration has effectively slimed the entire political process to the point it has reduced the US to be a laughing stock around the world. America's credibility, thanks to pious George Bush, is shot all to heck.

Bush's boy, McSame, doesn't even show that he has one religious bone in his body and it will be interesting to see how rehearsed he will come off at this faith forum on Saturday. He certainly won't be able to keep all the Repub talking points on gays, guns, and God straight for that long. Poor John.

GO OBAMA/BIDEN 08/12
I like that they haven't been telling the media everything.  It isn't a requirement and I know it has to drive the mccain camp nuts!  That's the best part!

Do it your way Senator Obama! (Sent Friday, August 15, 2008 9:


And, I bet  you think it was alright that Edwards didn't tell everything, too.
Double standard, indeed.  Especialty on this message board.  Rant and rave and get all over McCain for negative ads, then when Obama does it then it's ..."well, let's DEFINE NEGATIVE"....and "I love Obama's campaign so far"...."Obama is great"....he can do no wrong...he is our savior.....blah, blah, blah........
McCain runs a negative ad and he's skewered for it.  Obama runs a negative ad and he's praised for it.  He doesn't need to worry about his 'Obama brand', intelligent people see his brand quite clearly.  
There's a big difference in "negative ads" that Obama has run pointing out John McCain's tax cuts for oil companies and John McCain talking about Brittany Spears.

Obama's ads are pointing out reality.

http://infogiant.wordpress.com/
I don't blame Obama one bit for not sharing his every move with the MSM. One, that gives his ads time to sink in with voters before the MSM denigrates them on McCain's behalf. And two, the ads can linger in the air for a while before McCain's attack dogs get a chance to make a statement to their "base," the MSM.

The MSM is an adversary toward Obama, not even a neutral party. I think that's why we're seeing Obama reach out directly to voters more (for example, text-messaging his VP choice rather than publish it in the MSM).

Finally, there was a poll that came out this week showing that Obama is winning every "religious" group EXCEPT evangelicals. I guess it would have overshadowed McCain if FR had included that fact?
He's the truest form of dirty politician and is a disgusting person. Who should you trust more, the guy you disagree with but looks you in the eye about it or the guy who pretends to be your friend with every intention of stabbing you in the back? McCain isn't perfect, and he wasn't my first choice, but I will vote for him because Obama is a snake who cannot be trusted.

"Try the fruit, it's delicious." (Sent Friday, August 15, 2008 9:42 AM)
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funny, i've been saying the same thing about Bush and McCain for a couple of years...  It has been proven that they care nothing outside of increasing their own power, influence, and bank accounts.  

and wake up, McCain doesn't look anyone in the eyes.  watch his interviews.  he does nothing but rub his hands together nervously, shift his eyes between the camera, host, and floor, and look up at the ceiling looking for responses to get him out of the web of lies his advisors have trapped him in.

i was a big McCain supporter in 2000, and now i can't wait for his sham of a campaign to be over and his time in the spotlight to pass.  The guy is a joke and he has no understanding of the modern world, and just wants a return to the cold war when things could easily be painted in black and white.  his mind is not capable of the subtlety required in todays geopolitical scene, and the only result of him in the white house will be WWIII and the fall of the US.

That is straight talk friends.
It would be interesting to see where that $27 million mccain got came from, I bet it was not from the general public, I anticipate it came from every corrupt corner of the D.C. lobbyist tar pit.
Age & dementia can not allow McLame to have any fun. Republicans are jealous and scared.
Obama Bodysurfing Pictures in Hawaii And Guess What?  WHO CARES!!!!
by icebergslim
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/14/20288/2837/392/568121

Obama in Hawaii..[PHOTOLOG]
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/14/201425/677/387/568110
Jean, Asheville, NC (Sent Friday, August 15, 2008 9:45 AM) Amen, Sister!  I posted something on VEEPSTAKES: THE BASE ISN'T HAPPY article.  I also pasted the video clip and the names, it was an AWESOME interview and Shuster moved WAY up in my esteem.
You are the only guys showing PA as a toss up, everyone else sees blue in PA., what's up with that.
I live in a rural area and have seen more Ron Paul signs and no McCain signs, all the political signs in town are for senator Obama.
Hey Donna, you should be real happy with lies of ommission, your party and George Bush used them everyday. Come up with reasons we should vote for McCain instead of creating nonsense based on your perception. Oh you ca't do that because noone knows what McCain stands for on the issues.
By not telling the media about these ads, you consider the Obama Campaign of lying so by your standards I can say the McCain campaign is lying to the american pople by ommitting any real information on what they would do in office.
I'll take Senator Obamas ommission over your guys steath campaign anyday.
McCain has dominated the week on the Georgia-Russia issue, but the Washington Post today wonders if he's been too aggressive here. In one of our classic double-standard alerts, ask yourself how outraged the RNC and McCain's camp would be if Obama were "dispatching" senators to the region…
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How can I rely on you for my daily morning fix of righteous outrage against the corporate media if you write stuff like that?
First Read, you forgot to mention that Obama is leading among all other religious groups. Evangelicals are the ONLY religious group McCain is leading.

Ridge was McCain's only shot at PA. Good to see that bubble burst.

Good job, First Read, I'd hate to think anybody had a positive view of Obama. What a hatchet job.

Why isn't anyone hitting McCain for his blatant Georgia lobbyist ties?

McCain's fundraising... great, but who cares, he gets capped at $84 mil, right?

VA - It's on my prediction list.


http://www.rodneyhopper.com
Obama must be prepared for an evangelical ambush and has to share his Christian devotion using language (terms) that evangelicals understand!  His (Obama)background is more evangelical-like and charismatic than McCain! McCaine has shown no Christian tolerance and has NOT taken a stand against the negatives ads that most of the time misrepresents truth!

Why would any rational or reasonable person use Bush as a model for Christian living?  Read the "Bush Tragedy".  He used the "born again" facade to get the Vote.  His own conversion is nebulous.  He stated that Billy Graham converted him while they were taking a stroll on the beach near the Bush compund. Billy Graham doesn't recall the conversion nor the walk on the beach.

Grant it, McCain was indeed a POW and that is appreciated.  But how much more mileage will he pull out of that experience?

Obama ... Si se puede!  
"This is a HUGE opportunity for Obama"

Let's not raise the bar too high, shall we?

Jeez, First Read...why is it always Obama's battle to win? Doesn't McCain have anything to prove?

I've said it before: I can't imagine what it must be like to be Barack Obama. Hand-holding the childish and egocentric former president & first lady...dealing with a craven and lopsided media...combating to elevate national conversation while meeting the tired resistance of a fraternity-like GOP...

Godspeed, Senator. You've got my vote.

Obama '08
David Shuster was AWESOME on Hardball last night. Way to put those ignorant PUMA and Clinton supporters in their place. I hope they walked away thinking they looked like fools because they did!
"Clearly, the Obama campaign isn't interested in telling the media about every single McCain attack ad they’re running."

Or rather, clearly, the media isn't paying attention. It's a TV ad not a secret love affair. Maybe you guys are just used to parroting whatever the campaigns tell you. Pathetic.
": McCain has dominated the week on the Georgia-Russia issue, but the Washington Post today wonders if he's been too aggressive here. In one of our classic double-standard alerts, ask yourself how outraged the RNC and McCain's camp would be if Obama were "dispatching" senators to the region…"

Oh, jeez, I dunno...ja think?

The neo-con candidate is dictating national policy and his hissing little campaign minnions are making very Rovian statements about how disappointed they are that the damned unpatriotic Obama campaign isn't falling into line with the pronouncements of the Dark Side's hand-picked candidate.

THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN A STORY THERE!

Tell us again how we need to invade Iraq, right away?
abc.... please see "Apples & Oranges"

Uh, why should the NObama campaign 'tell the media about every negative ad they're running...'?    Oh wait, I'm sorry, for a second I thought it was the media's ethical role to investigate, discover and report...not ignore, cover-up and fawn....

The guy's an incredible hypocrite elitist, a classic 'do as I preach, not as I do..."
What strikes me as odd is that according to the Bible, discernment is a gift of the Holy Spirit. The notion that a Christian can tell the difference between good and evil.  Yet all these evangelicals voted for Bush and it is pretty clear that Bush does not have the religious values that people thought he had.  In short, he has not run the country like a Christian president.  The point to all this is that it is time for Evangelicals to not knee jerk and vote Republican, but stop for a second, look at the man who has Christian values and vote for a leader who has family values, and asks for wisdom to do the Lords will.  From my vantage point, that looks like Barack Obama.
Hey all you Evangels

Go to Americablog.com and check out MCCain's donation report from a Republican who is CEO of th biggest homosexual pick up site on the Net.  Is he fitting your bill with this?  Let's see
Cheating on the disabled first wife.
Second wife's fortune built around alcoholic beverages
All in for bombing, killing, warring anyone anytime-forget dilomacy
ANd now embracing the No Ask No Tell crowd, if only for their dough
Jesus said   Cast ye out the plank from thine own eye then ye shall see the splinter in thy neighbor's eye
But make no mistake, Obama’s running plenty of negative TV ads, particularly in the industrial Midwestern states. In fact, one of Obama's biggest candidate strengths -- which doesn't get the attention it deserves -- is that he plays political hardball as well as his opponents; he just sometimes does it under the radar.
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In other words, he plays by the same rules as all the other politicians who lie and cheat their way to the top.  I thought the "great one" was all about change.  Appears to be another liberal minded fool to me.
The Washington Post wonders if McCain may have been too aggressive on the Georgia situation?

Give me a break. The hot head spouted off that Americans are Georgians. It is an amazingly stupid thing to say, not only because it exceeds the bounds recognized by every other presidential candidate throughout our history but because it basically says Russia is currently committing acts of war against the United States.

This isn't rocket science. If Americans are Georgians, and Georgians are attacked by Russian air and ground forces, then Americans are attacked by Russian air and ground forces.

McCain says he doesn't want to reignite the Cold War. Well, he's saying - whether he realizes it or not -  that we're now in a hot war with Russia.

Now as to why the media hedges around the issue by wondering if maybe McCain went a little too far is beyond me.

As for reality (i.e., the land in which McCain is a stranger), we all can see where this is probably going. We'll probably end up trading missiles in Poland for some guarantees of recognition of Georgian sovereignty, in language that doesn't address the breakaway areas.


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